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Pakistani Males and their preference for White females

And that system worked. Now women want to take up a job because other women are doing so. More competition and less jobs for men, who the society expects to be the provider, while for women it is vanity with no mortgage or responsibility for parents, kids and elder citizens getting neglected because woman also needs to go outside to work and thinks work of homemaker is below her dignity. Then hire baby care and come home tired late at night and say hello to your kids. Root of the most evils we are seeing in the modern society.

It is a slippery slope, many women want to be independent at the start like all of us and earn their own income and way of life but what I've seen is that many who have menial jobs like sales, office etc want to stay and rear the child after birth as their natural instincts kick in.

However the situation is such of late that one income isn't enough and they have to work anyway.
 
It is a slippery slope, many women want to be independent at the start like all of us and earn their own income and way of life but what I've seen is that many who have menial jobs like sales, office etc want to stay and rear the child after birth as their natural instincts kick in.

However the situation is such of late that one income isn't enough and they have to work anyway.

I have seen many cases of a man marrying a girl who is a home maker, but not a single case where an earning woman married a man who is a homemaker ( not counting situations were a man had to stay at home for some reason after marriage, but it was understood that man will stay at home and take care of home at the beginning of marriage).

I always skip over resumes of women. I had the misfortune of hiring one, a loud delhi girl, and she used to spend away her income on shopping, as she had no responsibilities towards her parents and was used to others bearing her expenses.
 
People are quick to blame colonialism for the obsession with white skin, but colourism, or rather preference for white, is rooted in religion itself.

I am sure people are familiar with the concept of noor, which means light. It is not associated with anything dark, but with something that is bright and white.

Furthermore, the white color is associated with purity and cleanliness. The ihram that we wear in Hajj is white, the cloth that we are buried in is white, angels are supposed to be very white and bright.

There are many narrations that state that “the Prophet (PBUH)‘s face shone like a moon.”

Moreover, the hoors of paradise are described as so white that you will be able to see through their skin.

While Islam does not promote racism against black people and we can that with the status Bilal enjoyed as an exalted companion of the Prophet (PBUH) and also had the honor of becoming the first muezzin,

There is sufficient evidence in the teaching and traditions of Islam that clearly illustrate that the color white is preferred over the color black, and dark is preferred over light.

As a result, it is not something that is associated with colonialism only. It is also deep-rooted in our religion.

There is nothing wrong in preferring white skin. However, it does not mean you should be racist and discriminate against black skin. Personal preference/choice should not lead to racist behavior.
 
People usually get very defensive and passive aggressive when it comes to debating the link between attractiveness and skin color.

It is true that women and even men to a great extent are considered more attractive if they have lighter skin.

You ask most Pakistani women and they will prefer to marry men who are fair. It works both ways.

This attractiveness is primed by religious, culture and of course our colonial past as well.

Similarly, because we live in a patriarchal world, women are associated with beauty and physical attractiveness. That is because men shape the narrative in this world and the vast majority of men (since gays are minority) find women to be beautiful and attractive.

However, if you look at other animal species, the males are viewed as more beautiful and physically impressive by humans.

A male lion is concerned more beautiful than a female lion, a male horse is considered more beautiful than a female horse, a rooster is physically more impressive than a hen.

It is quite possible that from the point of view of other species or if some aliens ever visit the earth, the human males will be viewed by them as more beautiful and physically impressive compared to human females.
 
People are quick to blame colonialism for the obsession with white skin, but colourism, or rather preference for white, is rooted in religion itself.

I am sure people are familiar with the concept of noor, which means light. It is not associated with anything dark, but with something that is bright and white.

Furthermore, the white color is associated with purity and cleanliness. The ihram that we wear in Hajj is white, the cloth that we are buried in is white, angels are supposed to be very white and bright.

There are many narrations that state that “the Prophet (PBUH)‘s face shone like a moon.”

Moreover, the hoors of paradise are described as so white that you will be able to see through their skin.

While Islam does not promote racism against black people and we can that with the status Bilal enjoyed as an exalted companion of the Prophet (PBUH) and also had the honor of becoming the first muezzin,

There is sufficient evidence in the teaching and traditions of Islam that clearly illustrate that the color white is preferred over the color black, and dark is preferred over light.

As a result, it is not something that is associated with colonialism only. It is also deep-rooted in our religion.

There is nothing wrong in preferring white skin. However, it does not mean you should be racist and discriminate against black skin. Personal preference/choice should not lead to racist behavior.

Except Indians are majority Hindu..
 
There's an element of truth in what you say, the black stone etc. Fair is fair really... White is what humans are attracted to however this thread is freaky as delves in to the psyche which could be linked to the grooming scandals etc...
 
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There's an element of truth in what you say, the black stone etc. Fair is fair really... White is what humans are attracted to however this thread is freaky as delves in to the psyche which could be linked to the grooming scandals etc...

There are some elements of truth to what Mamoon says, but it is a bit simplistic. Often people are attracted to different colour on the basis of differential. People sometimes marry a different colour because they prefer the mixed colour, so white women are often attracted to darker males because they want caramel babies. Same can hold true for darker women.

I also believe there is a power element at play. Because white societies are the most successful, this will be reflected in the their films and tv shows and that perpetuates the attraction which show them as heroes and heroines.

Otherwise if everything is equal, is there really that much to colour beyond these perceptions? Do you prefer a white dog to a brown one? A white horse to a black one? A white cat to a striped tabby? Why does it become such a big deal only with humans?
 
Lol what the heck. This is some new logic I’ve seen.

Women (usually from small cities etc) are brought by British Pakistani households in the first place so that they are seen as less independent, less demanding and be good homemakers. You can’t marry those women for a specific reason and then say that that reason is the problem.

Sorry i may not have articulated myself well enough. But amongst my peers in Western Society there is definitely a new trend whereby Pakistani males are reluctant to go back home to marry because the traditional values as you mentioned i.e. less demanding and be good homemakers are no longer there in these women .

There is a growing trend of women coming to the UK from back home and sitting on whatsapp all day long speaking to their friends mothers etc while their husband is out working and neglecting their household duties.The Husband is expected to run the household as well as his wifes back home. Alsoit is becoming more and more difficult for people especially in the UK to live on one income. white females, especially eastern Europeans are very independent and can be seen as bread winners in their own right. This is why pakistani men in the west especially the new generation are deviating more towards this type of women now because it will give them a better standard of life.
 
Except Indians are majority Hindu..

I don’t know about India, maybe because most of them are dark-skinned, or perhaps there is white preference in Hinduism as well. Could be both as well as a host of other reasons.
 
Sorry i may not have articulated myself well enough. But amongst my peers in Western Society there is definitely a new trend whereby Pakistani males are reluctant to go back home to marry because the traditional values as you mentioned i.e. less demanding and be good homemakers are no longer there in these women .

There is a growing trend of women coming to the UK from back home and sitting on whatsapp all day long speaking to their friends mothers etc while their husband is out working and neglecting their household duties.The Husband is expected to run the household as well as his wifes back home. Alsoit is becoming more and more difficult for people especially in the UK to live on one income. white females, especially eastern Europeans are very independent and can be seen as bread winners in their own right. This is why pakistani men in the west especially the new generation are deviating more towards this type of women now because it will give them a better standard of life.

I'll agree with one aspect from above. The European women are perhaps the most independent out there among other communities. Take any work place, even construction, there's dominant force of women there. In kiosk, supermarket perhaps 90% employees are women. Especially in Russia, Ukraine, Poland
 
I'll agree with one aspect from above. The European women are perhaps the most independent out there among other communities. Take any work place, even construction, there's dominant force of women there. In kiosk, supermarket perhaps 90% employees are women. Especially in Russia, Ukraine, Poland

The whole of Germany is being run by German women. They can do everything. They are everywhere. I would say that they are even stronger than South Asians in physicality. It is the most beautiful thing to experience when women can compete toe to toe with their male counterparts. Our whole degree at the university is being conducted by female German PHDs and hardly a few male PHDs there. Sometimes I feel that the western world follows Islamic teachings in their day-to-day dealings and on the other hand in actual Islamic countries like in Pakistan - they are treated as personal maids first of their brothers than their husbands.
 
I don't think they want to sit at home and do nothing, it's usually the husbands and their familiies that place restrictions on them as some are quite backward and think women should only stay in the kitchen and raise children and in some cases be slaves of their in laws, also many Pakistani guys in the west deliberately marry a girl from the homeland as they think they would be better homemakers and won't want the freedoms that a western raised girl would want, so can't blame the women in this regard.

Many people did in the past and i definitely agree this stance is very backwards. However speaking from experience and being around men that are looking to get married, things have started to change and it looks like we have gone full circle. This is the new social media generation after all, ive heard stories of women demanding to see houses and cars before they even think about coming over, I've heard stories about men that go out and work all day and come back home and their mrs is sitting on the sofa video calling back home , no house work done nothing. Some men will still be happy with this and if they can afford it why not, however in the west this sort of lifestyle is becoming harder to maintain and again in my opinion this is why pakistani men are deviating away from this culture and moving to other girls.
 
The whole of Germany is being run by German women. They can do everything. They are everywhere. I would say that they are even stronger than South Asians in physicality. It is the most beautiful thing to experience when women can compete toe to toe with their male counterparts. Our whole degree at the university is being conducted by female German PHDs and hardly a few male PHDs there. Sometimes I feel that the western world follows Islamic teachings in their day-to-day dealings and on the other hand in actual Islamic countries like in Pakistan - they are treated as personal maids first of their brothers than their husbands.

How do German women manage when bringing up families? Do they hire nannies? This is one of those unspoken difficulties that we get in the western world where kids are involved. Very difficult to manager a career and bringing up young children in a satisfactory manner, half a century ago it was expected that the woman would raise the children and look after the home, and the man would work to provide the income. Nowadays the average household needs two incomes so I am guessing you have to juggle the baby care and chores. Never had to do this myself as happily for me I earn enough so the wife doesn't need to work but not the case for a lot of people.
 
People usually get very defensive and passive aggressive when it comes to debating the link between attractiveness and skin color.

It is true that women and even men to a great extent are considered more attractive if they have lighter skin.

You ask most Pakistani women and they will prefer to marry men who are fair. It works both ways.

This attractiveness is primed by religious, culture and of course our colonial past as well.

Similarly, because we live in a patriarchal world, women are associated with beauty and physical attractiveness. That is because men shape the narrative in this world and the vast majority of men (since gays are minority) find women to be beautiful and attractive.

However, if you look at other animal species, the males are viewed as more beautiful and physically impressive by humans.

A male lion is concerned more beautiful than a female lion, a male horse is considered more beautiful than a female horse, a rooster is physically more impressive than a hen.

It is quite possible that from the point of view of other species or if some aliens ever visit the earth, the human males will be viewed by them as more beautiful and physically impressive compared to human females.

I am not sure but If I remember that noor wasn't white it was a grayish sort of color people misrepresented it as white color for some reason
 
Really? Is this true? I think it's just personal preferences.

For my two cents, I'm a Pakistani who's been in Canada all his life and.im 19. I personally only find brown or white girls attractive. Just natural. Not really a Pakistani specific thing. You're jaut attracted to what your used to I guess.
 
The whole of Germany is being run by German women. They can do everything. They are everywhere. I would say that they are even stronger than South Asians in physicality. It is the most beautiful thing to experience when women can compete toe to toe with their male counterparts. Our whole degree at the university is being conducted by female German PHDs and hardly a few male PHDs there. Sometimes I feel that the western world follows Islamic teachings in their day-to-day dealings and on the other hand in actual Islamic countries like in Pakistan - they are treated as personal maids first of their brothers than their husbands.

Exactly. Even in Ukraine, they don't make excuses. Even in construction, they lift/work as hard as the male counterparts. I think desi people especially girls are a bit lazy when it comes to physical exercise. The female students in my university could run around the whole sports field 10-15 times easily where as I could manage 3-4 at max. They have tremendous stamina to continue a hard work for longer period of time than us.

I think the WWII has changed the gender ratio in eastern europe and women had to fill in the shoes of what was allotted to men earlier and they have done it beautifully which have continued in next generations.
 
(Ok so I was having this discussion on an another thread and this is part of that discussion but it seems that a nrw thread is more appropriate for this topic)

I don't know why but Pakistani people are just obsessed with white women
Litterally every fresh of the boat desi I meet just is begging to hook up with white women I GENUINELY don't get it- it's beyond me

I am sure there must be some gorgeous white women but why just "obsesse" over a race of women and not say hey I want to hook up gorgeous women in general cause there are beautiful desi, latino, black, asian women why just narrow yourself into finding "gori" women and hell it's not even hey I want to hook up with a beautiful white women it's just that I want to hook up with "a" white woman

I don't get this obsession with a specific racd of women and it's not just one or two guys it's litterally almost every freshie hell not even freshies guys here for years obsess over "finding" white women - it's something like thier trophy partner or something

For me understanding this obsession for white women is harder to understand than devinchi code

(For those y'all married and living a happy family life I have no problem y'all are good people and not doing this as part of trophy hunting obsession)

[MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION] :mw1 please explain this bizarre phenomenon...

I mean a lot it you can chalk up to how Hollywood Defines Beauty .It entrenches itself in your subconscious I guess.
 
Exactly. Even in Ukraine, they don't make excuses. Even in construction, they lift/work as hard as the male counterparts. I think desi people especially girls are a bit lazy when it comes to physical exercise. The female students in my university could run around the whole sports field 10-15 times easily where as I could manage 3-4 at max. They have tremendous stamina to continue a hard work for longer period of time than us.

I think the WWII has changed the gender ratio in eastern europe and women had to fill in the shoes of what was allotted to men earlier and they have done it beautifully which have continued in next generations.

I think the term is "ball breakers"... Slavic women carry masculine traits though Bohemians shed that somewhat
 
Many people did in the past and i definitely agree this stance is very backwards. However speaking from experience and being around men that are looking to get married, things have started to change and it looks like we have gone full circle. This is the new social media generation after all, ive heard stories of women demanding to see houses and cars before they even think about coming over, I've heard stories about men that go out and work all day and come back home and their mrs is sitting on the sofa video calling back home , no house work done nothing. Some men will still be happy with this and if they can afford it why not, however in the west this sort of lifestyle is becoming harder to maintain and again in my opinion this is why pakistani men are deviating away from this culture and moving to other girls.

Well in Pakistan if you are middle class and above you have maids. So a lot of these women probably did nothing there either, and are not used to doing housework.

However there are women in Pakistan who are working there, and would like to continue to work after marriage.
 
There are some elements of truth to what Mamoon says, but it is a bit simplistic. Often people are attracted to different colour on the basis of differential. People sometimes marry a different colour because they prefer the mixed colour, so white women are often attracted to darker males because they want caramel babies. Same can hold true for darker women.

I also believe there is a power element at play. Because white societies are the most successful, this will be reflected in the their films and tv shows and that perpetuates the attraction which show them as heroes and heroines.

Otherwise if everything is equal, is there really that much to colour beyond these perceptions? Do you prefer a white dog to a brown one? A white horse to a black one? A white cat to a striped tabby? Why does it become such a big deal only with humans?

Because it makes one appear racist. So if someone has a preference to a certain skin tone or race, its in their best interest to keep it to themselves. Otherwise there will be people, including those that have the same preferences as they do, who will say U racist.
 
I mean a lot it you can chalk up to how Hollywood Defines Beauty .It entrenches itself in your subconscious I guess.

So the question we must ask is if the media influences how we determine beauty, or does how the population views on beauty cause the media to show that?

Forget Hollywood, the Pakistani and Indian media has for the most part light skin actress, most models are light skin, and the average male their desires to marry lighter shade women.

Is it because of the media the people are this way, or because of the people the media is like that?
 
I have seen many cases of a man marrying a girl who is a home maker, but not a single case where an earning woman married a man who is a homemaker ( not counting situations were a man had to stay at home for some reason after marriage, but it was understood that man will stay at home and take care of home at the beginning of marriage).

I always skip over resumes of women. I had the misfortune of hiring one, a loud delhi girl, and she used to spend away her income on shopping, as she had no responsibilities towards her parents and was used to others bearing her expenses.

Also its rare to see women marry men who make less than them. Usually when that happens the women has settled, the women was marrying a man on potential and the guy did not succeed, or the women got more successful after marriage.
 
If you’ve been with a white girl/woman you know they’ll do what it takes to please you emotionally and physically. Currently dating a 42yr old white woman with 2 young kids. I’m 10 years younger.
 
If you’ve been with a white girl/woman you know they’ll do what it takes to please you emotionally and physically.

Are all white women the same? Are white women the only women who can do that?

With half of marriages ending in divorce in west among white people, clearly not a bed of roses.

Currently dating a 42yr old white woman with 2 young kids. I’m 10 years younger.

her prospects at that age and with the baggage of two kids are probably bleak. She is most likely desperate.
 
so much inferiority complex in these posts above wow. I think all women are diffrent not every girl in pakistan is lazy and not every girl in the west is a go getter. It depends on individuals and everyone is unique.
 
If you’ve been with a white girl/woman you know they’ll do what it takes to please you emotionally and physically. Currently dating a 42yr old white woman with 2 young kids. I’m 10 years younger.

Sounds like quite the catch!
 
I have lived in both pakistan and Germany, german women can be very good looking but I have seen in pakistan many as beautiful women if not more. Difference is that western women are more fashionable and open to fun which make even average looking more attractive than they are while pak girls are very reserved, also german women are much more practical because when it come to daily life , they are low maintainence and try to share equal load with male partners.

Also people should stop blaming colonialism or stuff , good looking people are good looking, pakistan has many dusky hot women as well, probably hottest women in pakistan are Wheatish
 
Also not all pakistani males are attracted to white females , I know plenty of pakistani guys who straight up say they don't see any attraction among white women and their faces look very plain.
 
Also not all pakistani males are attracted to white females , I know plenty of pakistani guys who straight up say they don't see any attraction among white women and their faces look very plain.

Those must be the angoor khatte pakistanis.
 
If you’ve been with a white girl/woman you know they’ll do what it takes to please you emotionally and physically. Currently dating a 42yr old white woman with 2 young kids. I’m 10 years younger.

You've hit the jackpot mate. Even got the kids without having to try ...
 
Those must be the angoor khatte pakistanis.

If posters go full tharki mode on White females but black/brown females are stupid, not that good looking, lazy and all the nine yards that's ok almont expected but if something remotely similar happens to White females that's angoor khatte...

Oh man it's beyond me!
 
If posters go full tharki mode on White females but black/brown females are stupid, not that good looking, lazy and all the nine yards that's ok almont expected but if something remotely similar happens to White females that's angoor khatte...

Oh man it's beyond me!

Exactly
 
Reminds me of what an Asian friend of mine said a few years ago.

He had a shop where a girl was working for him. He said "look at her, look how well she looks after herself, yet look at my own wife, she does nothing about her appearance and the hairs on her legs are longer than mine."
 
Reminds me of what an Asian friend of mine said a few years ago.

He had a shop where a girl was working for him. He said "look at her, look how well she looks after herself, yet look at my own wife, she does nothing about her appearance and the hairs on her legs are longer than mine."

White women also has long hair on their body. Its just that we cannot see them as the hair(blonde) is not easily seen on pale skin.
For poor desi woman, jet black hair on brown to yellow skin is clearly visible. Hence it looks disgusting. They do not do anything about it because personal grooming and hygiene is not taught from childhood. In India, especially south India, putting on lipstick or removing facial hair and trying to look better is considered a taboo. To them, only loose character girls do all those things. The maximum they are allowed to do is put coconut oil in their hair, braid it and decorate it with some lily flowers. Not to forget, some talcum powder on their face.
 
White women also has long hair on their body. Its just that we cannot see them as the hair(blonde) is not easily seen on pale skin.
For poor desi woman, jet black hair on brown to yellow skin is clearly visible. Hence it looks disgusting. They do not do anything about it because personal grooming and hygiene is not taught from childhood. In India, especially south India, putting on lipstick or removing facial hair and trying to look better is considered a taboo. To them, only loose character girls do all those things. The maximum they are allowed to do is put coconut oil in their hair, braid it and decorate it with some lily flowers. Not to forget, some talcum powder on their face.

"Disgusting" is perhaps a little harsh term to use but many desi females do take care of themselves; however, western clothing where white blondes show some extra skin, usually suits only them (in my eyes).

And not that I am against desi women wearing western clothes, but imo, it backfires.

 
This is a thread where no matter the response, it will not make for a nice look.
 
People are quick to blame colonialism for the obsession with white skin, but colourism, or rather preference for white, is rooted in religion itself.

I am sure people are familiar with the concept of noor, which means light. It is not associated with anything dark, but with something that is bright and white.

Furthermore, the white color is associated with purity and cleanliness. The ihram that we wear in Hajj is white, the cloth that we are buried in is white, angels are supposed to be very white and bright.

There are many narrations that state that “the Prophet (PBUH)‘s face shone like a moon.”

Moreover, the hoors of paradise are described as so white that you will be able to see through their skin.

While Islam does not promote racism against black people and we can that with the status Bilal enjoyed as an exalted companion of the Prophet (PBUH) and also had the honor of becoming the first muezzin,

There is sufficient evidence in the teaching and traditions of Islam that clearly illustrate that the color white is preferred over the color black, and dark is preferred over light.

As a result, it is not something that is associated with colonialism only. It is also deep-rooted in our religion.

There is nothing wrong in preferring white skin. However, it does not mean you should be racist and discriminate against black skin. Personal preference/choice should not lead to racist behavior.

Symbolism is meant for human interpretation. I’d rather place emphasis on the actions of the companions than descriptions of angels or houris (not white; described as transparent and black eyes). This obsession of fair skin is much more culture based than religious.

Color was not a great factor in human affairs until European colonization (did not serve of importance in Ancient Egypt, Rome, or Greece). It had to do with the fact that being pale meant you did not work outdoors (hence, not a serf or peasant and of higher status) than someone who did work outside in the post-Industrial Revolution era.

The Europeans used the excuse of color as an excuse for expansion. Just as the Chinese do their “Middle Kingdom” or America “Manifest Destiny”. Of course, this has carried over to their former colonies and hence the Pakistani obsession with fair skin. (One supposes fair skin showcases someone who also does not work outdoors a lot and is of higher status, since Pakistani society is very much like Middle-Age European feudalism.)
 
Symbolism is meant for human interpretation. I’d rather place emphasis on the actions of the companions than descriptions of angels or houris (not white; described as transparent and black eyes). This obsession of fair skin is much more culture based than religious.

Color was not a great factor in human affairs until European colonization (did not serve of importance in Ancient Egypt, Rome, or Greece). It had to do with the fact that being pale meant you did not work outdoors (hence, not a serf or peasant and of higher status) than someone who did work outside in the post-Industrial Revolution era.

The Europeans used the excuse of color as an excuse for expansion. Just as the Chinese do their “Middle Kingdom” or America “Manifest Destiny”. Of course, this has carried over to their former colonies and hence the Pakistani obsession with fair skin. (One supposes fair skin showcases someone who also does not work outdoors a lot and is of higher status, since Pakistani society is very much like Middle-Age European feudalism.)

Dude,
There is a reason why fillet mignon is priced higher than a brisket cut.
It's soft, and it tastes better, and hence more demand. It's a universal truth.
If a minor community of some folks like the brisket better, then good for them.

But if you think majority has been brain washed into believing this, then you need reevaluate perception.

If there a lovey looking natural blonde girl with deep blue eyes and soft silky straight and light golden hair and an equally lovely looking black or brown or Oriental girl standing next to each other, then most men will go for blonde whether colonial or not colonial. Even most white guys will also go for blonde.

As I stated earlier, there is reason why most adult magazines have their cover pages decorated with a hot blonde.

They have spent millions and they have done their research long time ago. They know what sells.

If the sky is blue, then lets not go into too much of a mental gymnastics. It is blue.

A lovely looking young blonde female is one of nature's most beautiful creation in the eyes of many.

There is a however a small portion of men who'd think otherwise, and good for them.

Some folks may go for Sarah Forbes Bonneta but trust me, most will go for Lady Diana.

Every race has equally pretty and lovely looking females, there is no doubt, however, a fillet mignon is a fillet mignon.

/Tharrak.
 
This is a nice coping strategy.

You live in india so don't have much exposure; it's a stereotype over here, Latinas, middle eastern, desi, medditterean and southeast asian women gotta lot a flare, white girls are stereotyped as boring and plain, it goes with the whole stereotype that "White people don't have a culture", I don't agree with it but that's the narrative these days among my generation.
 
You live in india so don't have much exposure; it's a stereotype over here, Latinas, middle eastern, desi, medditterean and southeast asian women gotta lot a flare, white girls are stereotyped as boring and plain, it goes with the whole stereotype that "White people don't have a culture", I don't agree with it but that's the narrative these days among my generation.

If that was true, most white males would be marrying non white females. But that is not happening. So it only means that the stereotype, if at all, exists among the non white males, and since it is not universal, it shows it is just khatte angoor.
 
Ok mr sheikhchilli, chill...we believe you.

Yes I finally admit and come out as incel :jordan

I always wanted a nordic blonde thor's daughter as a partner
But after 1000s of numerous rejections I decided to hate the very thaught of a perfect nordic women

This thread was my idea to try to make myself feel better but your brutal assaults on my "akar" on my masculine beauty was crushed

I admit defeat Yes I am the incel you made me out to be
What are the next steps in my humiliating journey as an incel? :aamer
 
If that was true, most white males would be marrying non white females. But that is not happening. So it only means that the stereotype, if at all, exists among the non white males, and since it is not universal, it shows it is just khatte angoor.

Uh...a lot of white guys actually do marry out lol. This is supported by census data, in fact white men marry out more than white women, a lot of white guys are into Latinas and Asians, there's the whole yellow fever thing. Once again, I feel like people in the subcontinent who have never been here have their prejudices, they can't fathom white people being into nonwhite people cause of their own subconcious racial hierarchy.
 
Uh...a lot of white guys actually do marry out lol. This is supported by census data, in fact white men marry out more than white women, a lot of white guys are into Latinas and Asians, there's the whole yellow fever thing. Once again, I feel like people in the subcontinent who have never been here have their prejudices, they can't fathom white people being into nonwhite people cause of their own subconcious racial hierarchy.

There is big difference between most and a lot. Can you show the census data? I checked wiki ( it may be wrong) and it says around 98% white men marry white females.

And I am a pro diversity person, which is why I disapprove of inter racial marriages, and mixed race marriage kills race and hence racial diversity.
 
There is big difference between most and a lot. Can you show the census data? I checked wiki ( it may be wrong) and it says around 98% white men marry white females.

And I am a pro diversity person, which is why I disapprove of inter racial marriages, and mixed race marriage kills race and hence racial diversity.

Uh....there's no "most" in inter racial marriages; mixed marriages are a minority of marriages across ALL racial groups, even among White Male-Asian Female which has the highest percent at over 1/3rd

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-...-in-the-u-s-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-ta...nd-marriage-50-years-after-loving-v-virginia/
 
You live in india so don't have much exposure; it's a stereotype over here, Latinas, middle eastern, desi, medditterean and southeast asian women gotta lot a flare, white girls are stereotyped as boring and plain, it goes with the whole stereotype that "White people don't have a culture", I don't agree with it but that's the narrative these days among my generation.

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Guys

Whilst the subject of this thread is for mature minds - dont overstep the line.
 
There is big difference between most and a lot. Can you show the census data? I checked wiki ( it may be wrong) and it says around 98% white men marry white females.

And I am a pro diversity person, which is why I disapprove of inter racial marriages, and mixed race marriage kills race and hence racial diversity.

I dont know the exact statistics but here in Canada races are mixing alot. in school theres so many mixed ethnicities and its continuing to grow. I read a while back that in usa in the next 20 years the white population will be less than 50%.
 
To not put too fine a point to it .. native Europeans are more willing to be 'adventurous'.. generally speaking, Asians would prefer another of their same background.

Amongst American Koreans, they make a big thing of marrying white women, generally not approving.
 
I dont know the exact statistics but here in Canada races are mixing alot. in school theres so many mixed ethnicities and its continuing to grow. I read a while back that in usa in the next 20 years the white population will be less than 50%.

And this is why inter racial marriages is anti diversity. Left loonies encourage and glorify it as some kind of diversity, but it will kill diversity.
 
And this is why inter racial marriages is anti diversity. Left loonies encourage and glorify it as some kind of diversity, but it will kill diversity.

Take a dna test and you'll find out you're triracial like majority of South Asians
 
Take a dna test and you'll find out you're triracial like majority of South Asians

Diversity doesnt mean one person having diversity in DNA, but diverse communities co-existing together.

I want a world where are are sindhis, punjabis, pathans and kashmiris.. If they all intermarry within 2 degenrations there will be mixed. The diversity will die. This is what left loonies want.
 
Diversity doesnt mean one person having diversity in DNA, but diverse communities co-existing together.

I want a world where are are sindhis, punjabis, pathans and kashmiris.. If they all intermarry within 2 degenrations there will be mixed. The diversity will die. This is what left loonies want.

intermarrying has been happening for eons, ethnic groups don't die off usually the child assimiliates and adopts the father's culture, you won't believe how many people who pass off as pashtun or punjabi have a mother or grandmother from another ethnicity. Culture =/= genetics.
 
I haven't read a single post here but going by the title of the thread I would say that the Pakistani imbeciles probably assume that non religious non Muslim girls put out.
 
To answer the OP Pakistani men do not have a preference for white women. In fact they prefer Pakistani women, regardless of where they live. However their is a bias, which is wrong, towards lighter skin women.

If we classify Pakistani women based on skin color, we can break it down to 5 categories.

1 - 5% would be very light skin, almost like white. Girls with this skin color are called Gori.
2 - 20% would be light brown or which would be also described as Gori
3 - 50% would be Medium Brown or called Saanwali
4 - 20% would be dark Brown or called Dusky
5 - 5% would be very dark brown, close to black - This would also be called Dusky or Kali.

Most men would prefer women in the first 3 categories. With some preferring only the first 2.

This is why we see abroad Pakistani men marrying white, Asians, middle Easterners, Hispanics, Indians, but rarely African origin women.

The real question is why are Pakistani men this way? What could be done to fix this? Or is it simply case of it is what it is?
 
I haven't read a single post here but going by the title of the thread I would say that the Pakistani imbeciles probably assume that non religious non Muslim girls put out.

They do assume that, but the thread is really on what preferences Pakistani men have on skin color and race.
 
Those must be the angoor khatte pakistanis.

Not really ,I have seen lot of german guys saying the same about german women and prefering dark hair /dark eyed mediterranen women.Personally to me fitness matter a lot , if you eat well and are fit you will look above average no matter where.Fitness should be promoted in pakistani women and men both.
 
Most brown girls in Pakistan (even the most educated) aren’t the most appealing but neither are Pakistani men to be fair.

Also this reminds me of my recent white supremacist fetish. This is actually serious and I’ve told my close friends so hopefully the mods don’t remove it. But my goal in 2021 is to seduce a white supremacist woman. The more hardcore and indoctrinated she is, the better. It’ll be challenging because not only will I have to find one first but get with her. Not too easy to find them in Toronto these days so might need to go rural.
 
Most brown girls in Pakistan (even the most educated) aren’t the most appealing but neither are Pakistani men to be fair.

Also this reminds me of my recent white supremacist fetish. This is actually serious and I’ve told my close friends so hopefully the mods don’t remove it. But my goal in 2021 is to seduce a white supremacist woman. The more hardcore and indoctrinated she is, the better. It’ll be challenging because not only will I have to find one first but get with her. Not too easy to find them in Toronto these days so might need to go rural.

You can say that for women in every country then. Only the top like 20/25% are appealing.

And as we Pakistani men are the third sexiest in the world :misbah, you should be able to get gori supremacist.
 
You can say that for women in every country then. Only the top like 20/25% are appealing.

And as we Pakistani men are the third sexiest in the world :misbah, you should be able to get gori supremacist.

I am still brown and a white supremacist will know that. The whole point is the challenge of getting one despite being brown.
 
Most brown girls in Pakistan (even the most educated) aren’t the most appealing but neither are Pakistani men to be fair.

Also this reminds me of my recent white supremacist fetish. This is actually serious and I’ve told my close friends so hopefully the mods don’t remove it. But my goal in 2021 is to seduce a white supremacist woman. The more hardcore and indoctrinated she is, the better. It’ll be challenging because not only will I have to find one first but get with her. Not too easy to find them in Toronto these days so might need to go rural.

Anne Coulter ?/ :lol:
 
Most brown girls in Pakistan (even the most educated) aren’t the most appealing but neither are Pakistani men to be fair.

Also this reminds me of my recent white supremacist fetish. This is actually serious and I’ve told my close friends so hopefully the mods don’t remove it. But my goal in 2021 is to seduce a white supremacist woman. The more hardcore and indoctrinated she is, the better. It’ll be challenging because not only will I have to find one first but get with her. Not too easy to find them in Toronto these days so might need to go rural.

Please tell me you're joking :))
 
This is not a joke. I wouldn’t joke about something like this. Upon some reflecting I think there are 2 reasons. The first like I said is the pure challenge of it which I’m confident I can overcome. The second is the power dynamic at play.
 
Most brown girls in Pakistan (even the most educated) aren’t the most appealing but neither are Pakistani men to be fair.

Also this reminds me of my recent white supremacist fetish. This is actually serious and I’ve told my close friends so hopefully the mods don’t remove it. But my goal in 2021 is to seduce a white supremacist woman. The more hardcore and indoctrinated she is, the better. It’ll be challenging because not only will I have to find one first but get with her. Not too easy to find them in Toronto these days so might need to go rural.

Nice goals.
Watch out for the STD's though. It's too rampant among them.
 
I am still brown and a white supremacist will know that. The whole point is the challenge of getting one despite being brown.

That was my point. That brown Pakistani men are good looking enough and have enough game to even get white supremacist women to fall for them. And also convert them to Islam, and make them wear shalwar kameez to dawats and shaadis, have them live with our parents, and of course have our children raised Muslim.

We were not voted third sexiest for no reason. :asif
 
That was my point. That brown Pakistani men are good looking enough and have enough game to even get white supremacist women to fall for them. And also convert them to Islam, and make them wear shalwar kameez to dawats and shaadis, have them live with our parents, and of course have our children raised Muslim.

We were not voted third sexiest for no reason. :asif

The spectrum would start from pashtun pakistanis and end with urdu speaking pakistanis.
 
The spectrum would start from pashtun pakistanis and end with urdu speaking pakistanis.

I would say the best looking men in the subcontinent per group, in no specific order would be

Kashmiris, Khatris, and people of pathan zaat (as in the non pashto pathans who have mixed blood with other subcontinent people)
 
I would say the best looking men in the subcontinent per group, in no specific order would be

Kashmiris, Khatris, and people of pathan zaat (as in the non pashto pathans who have mixed blood with other subcontinent people)

So the gora looking Pakistanis? :danish
 
This is not a joke. I wouldn’t joke about something like this. Upon some reflecting I think there are 2 reasons. The first like I said is the pure challenge of it which I’m confident I can overcome. The second is the power dynamic at play.

This is unhealthy to be honest. It'll end up as a toxic relationship on both or at either end.
 
So the gora looking Pakistanis? :danish

No being too gora is not a good look on men. I think the olive skin tone for men looks better. And i think their are some subcontinent females who might be able to pass as goris, but it would be extremely rare to see that on a man.
 
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