Pakistanis in Northern England and Southern England

[Pakistanian]

I've heard from some British-Pakistanis that are some differences in terms of education, wealth, and even traditions between Pakistanis in Northern England and the South, how true is that?

 

[Pakistanian]

Did people from different parts of Pakistan migrate to each of those regions?

 

[Pakistanian]

and do Pakistanis that grew up in those regions sound different from each other?

 

[Slog]

Hmm I heard its more like Mirpuris vs rest of Pakistan origin folks (who mostly happen to be Punjabi)

 

[Pakistanian]

Hmm I heard its more like Mirpuris vs rest of Pakistan origin folks (who mostly happen to be Punjabi)

Nah a lot of people from Jhelum and Pindi live in the north, like Amir Khan. There's also a big community from Faisalabad in Manchester which is in the north if i'm not wrong? Coincidentally Faisalabad is also known as the Manchester of Pakistan.

 

[TSA321]

Hmm I heard its more like Mirpuris vs rest of Pakistan origin folks (who mostly happen to be Punjabi)

I think the bigger divide is between those from Mirpur and the Potohar part of Punjab, vs those from the central part of Punjab.

 

[Pakistanian]

I think the bigger divide is between those from Mirpur and the Potohar part of Punjab, vs those from the central part of Punjab.

I thought they spoke the same dialect and have the same culture?

 

[mani1]

I've heard from some British-Pakistanis that are some differences in terms of education, wealth, and even traditions between Pakistanis in Northern England and the South, how true is that?

One just has to look at the Poverty figures of Scotland and London to see how well Central Punjabis are doing.

Ill save you the hassle as I am sure you have read them

In London and Scotland Central Punjabis are not only the least in employment they are once in employment the least paid too.

In London especially housing benefits and Council houses are the norm for most ethnics.

Though the figures are even worse for Punjabis as the vast majority of asylum seekers and fraudulant studants are from Lahorw and surrounding areas.

 

[Pakistanian]

How do Pakistanis in the midlands fare, are they considered closer to the people in Northern England or the south.

 

[Pakistanian]

One just has to look at the Poverty figures of Scotland and London to see how well Central Punjabis are doing.

Ill save you the hassle as I am sure you have read them

In London and Scotland Central Punjabis are not only the least in employment they are once in employment the least paid too.

In London especially housing benefits and Council houses are the norm for most ethnics.

I always thought a lot of wealthy Pakistanis live in London.

 

[mani1]

How do Pakistanis in the midlands fare, are they considered closer to the people in Northern England or the south.

They are closer to the North as they are less likely to live on housing benefits and live in low income house holds

 

[mani1]

I always thought a lot of wealthy Pakistanis live in London.

I am sure many are wealthy there just like many are wealtgy up North and the Midlands too.

 

[Pakistanian]

They are closer to the North as they are less likely to live on housing benefits and live in low income house holds

Can you tell where in England a Pakistani grew up by their mannerisms and accent? In America despite being such a large country, most of us have pretty much have the same accent so I can't tell where somebody grew up but I assume its different in England?

 

[mani1]

"Awesomestow" in North East Londonas the White Brits call it "Is full of Mirpuri's" many are wealthy Landlords at least the ones I know of.

 

[TSA321]

I always thought a lot of wealthy Pakistanis live in London.

Generally Pakistanis in London and the South as a whole are much less likely to live in a deprived area than the ones in the North and Midlands are.


http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialib...es-to-live-in-deprived-neighbourhoods (1).pdf (see for bigger picture)

Though Pakistanis in Scotland are also less likely to live in a deprived area.

 

[mani1]

Can you tell where in England a Pakistani grew up by their mannerisms and accent? In America despite being such a large country, most of us have pretty much have the same accent so I can't tell where somebody grew up but I assume its different in England?

Accents Yes but mannerisms no despite what many say if you go to places like Manningham, Cheetham Hill, Pollock Shields Ilford etc many will behave the same.

Infact when I have told young lads from places lile Cheetjam Hill pollock sheilds ilford etc some state how much rougher there area is than Bradford. Gunchester is a popular term.

 

[mani1]

Generally Pakistanis in London and the South as a whole are much less likely to live in a deprived area than the ones in the North and Midlands are.
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http://www.ethnicity.ac.uk/medialib...es-to-live-in-deprived-neighbourhoods (1).pdf (see for bigger picture)

Though Pakistanis in Scotland are also less likely to live in a deprived area.

Now post the poverty figures lol especially about how 50% of all low income households in outer london live in low income households compared to 20% up North and the Midlands and its 70% for inner London

Also post the one about how 50% of all house holds in outer London are on Housing benefits.

Also post the poverty figures of Scotland in regards to Pakistanis lol.

 

[Pakistanian]

Accents Yes but mannerisms no despite what many say if you go to places like Manningham, Cheetham Hill, Pollock Shields Ilford etc many will behave the same.

Infact when I have told young lads from places lile Cheetjam Hill pollock sheilds ilford etc some state how much rougher there area is than Bradford. Gunchester is a popular term.

Yeah Pakistanis in northern England got that tough guy image, I think it's pretty cool though it's like the Pakistani equivalent to New York/New Jersey Italians

 

[mani1]

Now post the poverty figures lol especially about how 50% of all low income households in outer london live in low income households compared to 20% up North and the Midlands and its 70% for inner London

Also post the one about how 50% of all house holds in outer London are on Housing benefits.

Also post the poverty figures of Scotland in regards to Pakistanis lol.

Should of read how 50% of Outer London and 70% of inner london whom live in low income households are ethnics.

 

[Musakhel]

Can't really say, people from ajk in my opinion are not really that different from pothwaris, they are all punjabies just different dialects and accents. I read somewhere most people from ajk are jatts, Gujars and rajputs and they can be found all over punjab central, North or south.

 

[Pakistanian]

Can't really say, people from ajk in my opinion are not really that different from pothwaris, they are all punjabies just different dialects and accents. I read somewhere most people from ajk are jatts, Gujars and rajputs and they can be found all over punjab central, North or south.

Are you from musakhel, balochistan?

 

[mani1]

Also In Huddersfield Leeds to a lesser extent and places around Manchester except Oldham and the North East despite what you may read in Wiki or elsewhere they are a very large % of Central Pubjabis.

Plus Bradford Burnley Oldham Birmingham etc also have a very large percentage of Chaachis and Pathans.

 

[Pakistanian]

Are most of the Karachi and Sindhi people concentrated in London?

 

[Musakhel]

Are you from musakhel, balochistan?

No I'm not from balochistan, my tribe is musakhel.

 

[mani1]

Are most of the Karachi and Sindhi people concentrated in London?

No I personally know quite a few familys in Bradford never met a Sindhi met a Balochi and every thing else in between

Its hard to tell these days as most Punjabi "Students" and asylum seekers speak Urdu too.

 

[Slog]

Can you tell where in England a Pakistani grew up by their mannerisms and accent? In America despite being such a large country, most of us have pretty much have the same accent so I can't tell where somebody grew up but I assume its different in England?

lolwut?


You cant tell by the accent which part of America one grew up?

Boston accent is totally different from New York (which has several sub accents). Southern accents is totally different as well (with further sub accents between the areas in Bible belt and ones just outside). Similarly in midwest it has a different sound to it

Get outta your bubble man

 

[Slog]

Are most of the Karachi and Sindhi people concentrated in London?

dont think theres a lot of Sindhis.

most urdu speaking folks are in london though but manchester has quite a few

 

[Musakhel]

Also In Huddersfield Leeds to a lesser extent and places around Manchester except Oldham and the North East despite what you may read in Wiki or elsewhere they are a very large % of Central Pubjabis.

Plus Bradford Burnley Oldham Birmingham etc also have a very large percentage of Chaachis and Pathans.

What's Chaachis?

 

[TSA321]

Should of read how 50% of Outer London and 70% of inner london whom live in low income households are ethnics.

You do know that 60% of London's population as a whole is made up of 'ethnics', don't you? Therefore, that means they make up the same proportion of those in low income households in the city as is their overall percent population in the city.

What are the stats for Bradford, out of curiosity?

 

[mani1]

What's Chaachis?

Hindko speakers from Chach Valley of Attock. Pathans call them Chaachi's

 

[TSA321]

Nevermind, I found some stats:

Child poverty is concentrated in the inner-city and urban areas of the District. In 2014,
approximately half of all children living in poverty in the District have been found to live in 8 of
the District’s 30 wards: Little Horton, Bradford Moor, Bowling and Barkerend, Manningham,
Toller, Tong, Great Horton and City wards.

The most recent national child poverty data for 201417 (published September 2016) reported a
child poverty rate of 28.6% for Bradford District, compared to 20.1% for England – with 41,000
children and young people aged 0 – 19, living in households with less than 60% of average
(median) income. In 2014, the District’s child poverty rate was second highest in the Yorkshire
and Humber region – Hull had the highest rate.

https://ubd.bradford.gov.uk/media/1289/poverty-and-deprivation-ubd-20170206.pdf

 

[Slog]

Apparently mirpuris pull down the income and educational stats of Pakistani community in Britain

Source: Many British Pakistanis

 

[Pakistanian]

lolwut?


You cant tell by the accent which part of America one grew up?

Boston accent is totally different from New York (which has several sub accents). Southern accents is totally different as well (with further sub accents between the areas in Bible belt and ones just outside). Similarly in midwest it has a different sound to it

Get outta your bubble man

I grew up in the bible belt, those accents you mentioned are exaggerated in movies and stuff, they aren't that strong (if it at all), it's very rare to hear a millennial talk like that especially if their first generation. Most people just have that neutral Midwestern accent you hear in the news, anyways we're going off track.

* I was talking about Pakistani-Americans, white people might have stronger accents cause they have deeper roots here.

 

[mani1]

You do know that 60% of London's population as a whole is made up of 'ethnics', don't you? Therefore, that means they make up the same proportion of those in low income households in the city as is their overall percent population in the city.

What are the stats for Bradford, out of curiosity?

You know Arabs Russians Chinese even Indians and Western Whites are rich dont you.

You also know that Pakistanis are along with Bengalis scraping the bottom of the Barrel dont you hence doing a lot worse then Blacks etc.

Also tou do know that Pakistanis are like in Scotland the least likely to be in employment and once in employment the most likely to be in low pay.

I have never read any one clain Pakistanis in Bradford and the midlands are super wealthy unlike the South anf Scotland have you?

As for Bradford you posted some figures up stating that Pakistanis and Bengali economic activitys were the same as others Pakistanis and Bengalis elsewhere in the UK lol.

 

[mani1]

Nevermind, I found some stats:

Child poverty is concentrated in the inner-city and urban areas of the District. In 2014,
approximately half of all children living in poverty in the District have been found to live in 8 of
the District’s 30 wards: Little Horton, Bradford Moor, Bowling and Barkerend, Manningham,
Toller, Tong, Great Horton and City wards.

The most recent national child poverty data for 201417 (published September 2016) reported a
child poverty rate of 28.6% for Bradford District, compared to 20.1% for England – with 41,000
children and young people aged 0 – 19, living in households with less than 60% of average
(median) income. In 2014, the District’s child poverty rate was second highest in the Yorkshire
and Humber region – Hull had the highest rate.

https://ubd.bradford.gov.uk/media/1289/poverty-and-deprivation-ubd-20170206.pdf

Now Post the poverty figures for Newham Barking Ilford lol

Also littleHorton Bowling Barkerend Bradford moor etc are the most deprived areas and are where most of the Chaachi and Pathaans live

 

[Slog]

I grew up in the bible belt, those accents you mentioned are exaggerated in movies and stuff, they aren't that strong (if it at all), it's very rare to hear a millennial talk like that especially if their first generation. Most people just have that neutral Midwestern accent you hear in the news, anyways we're going off track.

* I was talking about Pakistani-Americans, white people might have stronger accents cause they have deeper roots here.

oh perhaps youre right about that

but for most 3rd, 4th generation folks you can tell which part they are from by their accent for the most part

 

[mani1]

Apparently mirpuris pull down the income and educational stats of Pakistani community in Britain

Source: Many British Pakistanis

Hence why one looks at the Poverty figures for london and Scotland.

I know you have seen them what do you think lol?

 

[Pakistanian]

oh perhaps youre right about that

but for most 3rd, 4th generation folks you can tell which part they are from by their accent for the most part

Well we got transplants from all over so regional accents are dying.

 

[mani1]

Child poverty in London - key facts

700,000 children living in London are below the poverty line, 37 per cent of all children in the capital. While poverty rates are higher for everyone in London than nationally, this gap is larger for children than for any other group.
London has the highest rate of child poverty of any English region. There are as many poor children in London as in all of Scotland and Wales.
Child poverty rates in London have fallen slightly over the last ten years: at the end of the 1990s, 41 per cent of children in the capital were poor.


http://www.cpag.org.uk/campaigns/child-poverty-london/keyfacts

Much more than 28% lol

 

[mani1]

Hence why London is known as the Poverty capital of England

While poverty rates are higher for everyone in London than nationally, this gap is larger for children than for any other group

 

[kingusama92]

I grew up in the bible belt, those accents you mentioned are exaggerated in movies and stuff, they aren't that strong (if it at all), it's very rare to hear a millennial talk like that especially if their first generation. Most people just have that neutral Midwestern accent you hear in the news, anyways we're going off track.

* I was talking about Pakistani-Americans, white people might have stronger accents cause they have deeper roots here.

I've spent time in Boston and that accent is incredibly strong among the locals. You notice it in seconds and its quite amusing too.

New York is definitely exaggerated in the movies. To the point its downright unrealistic.

 

[Pakistanian]

I've spent time in Boston and that accent is incredibly strong among the locals. You notice it in seconds and its quite amusing too.

New York is definitely exaggerated in the movies. To the point its downright unrealistic.

The new york accent is stronger in the older jewish and Italian neighborhoods.