Pakistanis who can only find faults with their nation and don't have anything positive to say

[Mamoon]

Right, this is why you praise India on winning ANYTHING in cricket for the greater good of India.

You deserve an Oscar.

India doing well in cricket has had no impact on their country. It has not eradicated poverty, it has not controlled population explosion, and it has not done anything to arrest the rising Hindutva sentiment. The problems that India has as a country will stay put regardless of how good or bad they are at cricket.

 

[R3verse Swing]

India doing well in cricket has had no impact on their country. It has not eradicated poverty, it has not controlled population explosion, and it has not done anything to arrest the rising Hindutva sentiment. The problems that India has as a country will stay put regardless of how good or bad they are at cricket.

Wasn't the point at all. Dyslexia did you say?

Point was you are happy to praise any success with Indian cricket, but when it comes to successes in Pakistan cricket, it's just nothing but criticism and put-downs.

Tell me, you have family in the UK/USA, dare I ask do you have a family of doctors in India?

 

[Mamoon]

Another U-Turn.

The point is despite you anointing US for dream hood, and India for saint hood, you still picked Pakistan. Clearly it was though necessity rather than choice, hence your contempt and hatred for Pakistan, and Pakistanis abroad.

Again, I am not responsible for your dyslexia.

I have no contempt for overseas Pakistanis.

My only problem with overseas Pakistanis is when they take a moral high ground based on their ignorance and question the Pakistanis living in Pakistan over their love for the country. Just because you are critical of something does not mean that you do not have any affection towards it.

I think Pakistan is an awful country, but it is my country nonetheless. I would love to see it prosper and it saddens me to see the state that it is in.

If you are born and brought up abroad or have not spend any substantial time in Pakistan in years - and you admit that you are ignorant about a lot of things and would not question the patriotism of people living in the country - I would love you.

Nothing is worse than an expat pretending that he/she knows better than the people living in the country, and it is not a coincidence that it is generally the expats who have a more positive image of the country. It has everything to do with their ignorance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

To be honest, I cannot think of any positives of Pakistan at this point, but there are plenty of negatives as far as India is concerned. The fact that they elected Modi shows the direction their country is heading in. Intolerance and Hindu nationalism is certainly on the rise.

Moreover, the population explosion and the resulting poverty are major problems that they have not been able to tackle so far. However, it is a growing economy and the future looks very bright for them. They are certainly a much, much better country than Pakistan in almost every aspect.

A lot of problems that India has are prevalent in Pakistan as well, but we can take pride in the fact that we are yet to elect a terrorist as the PM. Perhaps this is a positive for Pakistan?

CPEC, reduction in terrorism, GDP growth, PSL, PM held accountable, less drone strikes. etc

India's growing economy means zilch to the 1/3 in poverty, their lives will not improve. There are many things where India is struggling.

Honest question, do you wish Pakistan was never created and it was one nation under the name of India? Do you wish you were a citizen of India instead of Pakistan?

 

[Mamoon]

Wasn't the point at all. Dyslexia did you say?

Point was you are happy to praise any success with Indian cricket, but when it comes to successes in Pakistan cricket, it's just nothing but criticism and put-downs.

Tell me, you have family in the UK/USA, dare I ask do you have a family of doctors in India?

Your post was very incoherent and difficult to interpret. Yes dyslexia is what I said, and my suspicion gets stronger with each post that you make.

A fluke Champions Trophy sandwiched between years of mediocrity is not success in my book. India have been consistently successful since the turn of the millennia and have established a system that will make them a top team for the long haul.

They have won numerous trophies and topped the Test rankings for a number of years. Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Again, I am not responsible for your dyslexia.

I have no contempt for overseas Pakistanis.

My only problem with overseas Pakistanis is when they take a moral high ground based on their ignorance and question the Pakistanis living in Pakistan over their love for the country. Just because you are critical of something does not mean that you do not have any affection towards it.

I think Pakistan is an awful country, but it is my country nonetheless. I would love to see it prosper and it saddens me to see the state that it is in.

If you are born and brought up abroad or have not spend any substantial time in Pakistan in years - and you admit that you are ignorant about a lot of things and would not question the patriotism of people living in the country - I would love you.

Nothing is worse than an expat pretending that he/she knows better than the people living in the country, and it is not a coincidence that it is generally the expats who have a more positive image of the country. It has everything to do with their ignorance.

Knowledge or ignornace is not based on location of residence. There are millions of illetrate people in Paksitan, do you think they know more than anyone in the UK. The same goes for the UK, there are many people in other nations who know more about UK than people who live here. The only factor is personal experience.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Again, I am not responsible for your dyslexia.

I have no contempt for overseas Pakistanis.

My only problem with overseas Pakistanis is when they take a moral high ground based on their ignorance and question the Pakistanis living in Pakistan over their love for the country. Just because you are critical of something does not mean that you do not have any affection towards it.

I think Pakistan is an awful country, but it is my country nonetheless. I would love to see it prosper and it saddens me to see the state that it is in.

If you are born and brought up abroad or have not spend any substantial time in Pakistan in years - and you admit that you are ignorant about a lot of things and would not question the patriotism of people living in the country - I would love you.

Nothing is worse than an expat pretending that he/she knows better than the people living in the country, and it is not a coincidence that it is generally the expats who have a more positive image of the country. It has everything to do with their ignorance.

Who said you have contempt for oversea Pakistanis? You have contempt for Pakistanis, period.

You are assuming again. You have no idea of how much time I have spent in Pakistan. This is precisely the reason why I believe you are not a Doctor since Doctors do not assume.

You believe Pakistan is an awful country? Then why not LEAVE Pakistan given you have family over the planet and have no issues in obtaining a VISA? Cough Cough. It’s not like you are working for the greater good of Pakistan anyway is it?

You are a textbook example of compensation psychology. This is a fact as daylight. You hate Pakistan because you were forced to live in Pakistan due to your own failure, and rather than blame yourself, you blame Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

CPEC, reduction in terrorism, GDP growth, PSL, PM held accountable, less drone strikes. etc

India's growing economy means zilch to the 1/3 in poverty, their lives will not improve. There are many things where India is struggling.

Honest question, do you wish Pakistan was never created and it was one nation under the name of India? Do you wish you were a citizen of India instead of Pakistan?

PSL? A joke of a tournament, an embarrassing IPL rip-off.

CPEC is not good for Pakistan in the long-term. I am happy to discuss that in depth when time permits.

PM held accountable is good but the political instability remains. As long as the Army holds the keys, Pakistan politics will continue to be in turmoil.

Yes terrorism has been reduced, but I will not count it as a positive unless it is eradicated from the roots. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen because our politicians and the military brass are still in bed with them.

 

[DeadBall]

Again, I am not responsible for your dyslexia.

I have no contempt for overseas Pakistanis.

My only problem with overseas British Pakistanis is when they take a moral high ground based on their ignorance and question the Pakistanis living in Pakistan over their love for the country. Just because you are critical of something does not mean that you do not have any affection towards it.

Fixed.

 

[R3verse Swing]

Your post was very incoherent and difficult to interpret. Yes dyslexia is what I said, and my suspicion gets stronger with each post that you make.

A fluke Champions Trophy sandwiched between years of mediocrity is not success in my book. India have been consistently successful since the turn of the millennia and have established a system that will make them a top team for the long haul.

They have won numerous trophies and topped the Test rankings for a number of years. Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust.

None of the above changes the fact you have all the praise in the world for Indian success in Cricket but disdain for Pakistan cricket - which is my point.

 

[Mamoon]

Knowledge or ignornace is not based on location of residence. There are millions of illetrate people in Paksitan, do you think they know more than anyone in the UK. The same goes for the UK, there are many people in other nations who know more about UK than people who live here. The only factor is personal experience.

I am not talking about the illiterate people. For example, I might know more about the UK than a beer drinking Scouse with no education, but I would be a fool to argue with an educated Brit who was born and brought up in the country.

Overseas Pakistanis are not more knowledgable than educated resident Pakistanis on matters concerning Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

None of the above changes the fact you have all the praise in the world for Indian success in Cricket but disdain for Pakistan cricket - which is my point.

You do not have a point. You are a comparing a fluke win to years of success. If Pakistan achieves in the next 20 years what India has in the previous 20 years, I will be full of praise.

 

[R3verse Swing]

You do not have a point. You are a comparing a fluke win to years of success. If Pakistan achieves in the next 20 years what India has in the previous 20 years, I will be full of praise.

There you go again, forgotten what Pakistan cricket achieved in the 80s and 90s - since you were referring to previous 20 years.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not talking about the illiterate people. For example, I might know more about the UK than a beer drinking Scouse with no education, but I would be a fool to argue with an educated Brit who was born and brought up in the country.

Overseas Pakistanis are not more knowledgable than educated resident Pakistanis on matters concerning Pakistan.

Depends on the issues. E.g When it comes to geo-politics and Pakistan's standing in the world, war on terror, relations with India, Afghanistan, some of the best political commentators in this regard are not from Pakistan. If it's to do with local politicals or where the best restuarants are then sure they would know better. Also dont forget many British Pakistani's have relatives or friends in Pakistan. I have many and get my knowledge of them, so I'm using their knowledge it could very well be better than yours.

 

[Mamoon]

Who said you have contempt for oversea Pakistanis? You have contempt for Pakistanis, period.

You are assuming again. You have no idea of how much time I have spent in Pakistan. This is precisely the reason why I believe you are not a Doctor since Doctors do not assume.

You believe Pakistan is an awful country? Then why not LEAVE Pakistan given you have family over the planet and have no issues in obtaining a VISA? Cough Cough. It’s not like you are working for the greater good of Pakistan anyway is it?

You are a textbook example of compensation psychology. This is a fact as daylight. You hate Pakistan because you were forced to live in Pakistan due to your own failure, and rather than blame yourself, you blame Pakistan.

You can assume my profession and you can also stereotype doctors. I am most likely never going to meet you in my life, so it does not bother what you think I actually am. However, your unhealthy obsession with my profession is certainly amusing.

I do not have to assume how much time you have spent in Pakistan, because considering how ignorant you are, it is clear that you have spent very little, if at all.

I do not hate Pakistan. I am simply not oblivious to its problems and I am happy to accept them. My feelings for Pakistan does not blind my judgment.

However, I understand that it is a complicated concept for people like you.

I do not want to leave Pakistan because of my parents. My first priority is take care of them because they are my responsibility, especially when I do not have any financial problems.

 

[Mamoon]

There you go again, forgotten what Pakistan cricket achieved in the 80s and 90s - since you were referring to previous 20 years.

Pakistan achieved zilch in the 90s after the World Cup other than match-fixing and beating a lowly English team. They had the team to win all the World Cups of the 90s and win Test series in places like Australia and South Africa, but they fell short because of the infighting. Post 92, Pakistan cricket has been nothing to be proud of.

What does 80's have to do with it? This is 2018. Take 20 years out and you go only as far back as 1998.

Perhaps you think we are still in the year 2000. I used a 20 year cut-off for India because their fortunes changed around that year. The match-fixer Azharuddin getting kicked out and Ganguly taking over was the turning point for India.

 

[Mamoon]

Also care to explain what you mean here? I don't see how a US degree is so much better than a UK degree, there are positives and negatives to studying medicine in both countries. The UK has a more complicated system, and, a UK degree can take up to 5 years to get, while in the US, I believe it takes about 4 years. Sure, in the US, it may seem "harder" but I feel like it's more the fact that Americans don't value them as much as they don't subsidise UK degrees.

Sorry for the late reply.

Becoming a doctor takes longer in the U.S., because you have to do 4 years bachelors first before getting into med school, which is also 4 years. Once you are done with med school, you have to do residency for 3-7 years depending on your specialization.

Secondly, U.S. doctors are not necessarily better than the UK doctors, but a U.S. degree is far more reputable when it comes to employment. A good doctor can come out of anywhere, but someone with a U.S. degree is much more likely to be preferred to someone with a UK degree.

It is the same in Pakistan. The number of doctors with UK degrees are higher, but those with U.S. degrees stand out and get better paid jobs almost all the time.

 

[DeadBall]

Guys, keep it civil. No need to bring parents into this.

 

[R3verse Swing]

How comes my post on Pakistan cricket in the 90s was deleted?

Anyway, what Mamoon is saying is this:

UK degree holds less value than USA degree in medicine, BUT Pakistanis choose UK education above USA, hence why Doctors with UK degrees are higher in Pakistan. Begs the question why wannabe doctors simply do not study in USA over UK?

 

[WC-Passion]

Sorry for the late reply, I was a bit preoccupied with our dyslexic friend.

Becoming a doctor takes longer in the U.S., because you have to do 4 years bachelors first before getting into med school, which is also 4 years. Once you are done with med school, you have to do residency for 3-7 years depending on your specialization.

Secondly, U.S. doctors are not necessarily better than the UK doctors, but a U.S. degree is far more reputable when it comes to employment. A good doctor can come out of anywhere, but someone with a U.S. degree is much more likely to be preferred to someone with a UK degree.

It is the same in Pakistan. The number of doctors with UK degrees are higher, but those with U.S. degrees stand out and get better paid jobs almost all the time.

Oh okay, so I'm assuming here that the fact that you have to get a bachelor's degree first, and then do residency afterwards, is why some would see it as more reputable. That is ludicrously long, looking at that it takes around 11-14 years to get somewhere with the profession, in-terms of employment. Takes a lot of commitment, anyone who's gone through that process deserves a lot of respect. If you've gone through that, I applaud you.

Also [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION], congrats on your Admin role.

 

[WC-Passion]

How comes my post on Pakistan cricket in the 90s was deleted?

Anyway, what Mamoon is saying is this:

UK degree holds less value than USA degree in medicine, BUT Pakistanis choose UK education above USA, hence why Doctors with UK degrees are higher in Pakistan. Begs the question why wannabe doctors simply do not study in USA over UK?

They are not higher in Pakistan though, It's just that there a lot more of them because I feel like the generally Pakistanis (going off what I've heard and my own family) who are capable in this field would look towards the UK and their universities such as Cambridge and Oxford, rather than likes of Harvard or Stanford in the US. Also the UK doesn't do residency afterwards, and you don't need to get a bachelor's degree before hand either, while it's probably cheaper here too for tuition.

 

[DeadBall]

Oh okay, so I'm assuming here that the fact that you have to get a bachelor's degree first, and then do residency afterwards, is why some would see it as more reputable. That is ludicrously long, looking at that it takes around 11-14 years to get somewhere with the profession, in-terms of employment. Takes a lot of commitment, anyone who's gone through that process deserves a lot of respect. If you've gone through that, I applaud you.

Also [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION], congrats on your Admin role.

Thanks man, no big deal, just trying to help out. Its mostly due to my timezone than anything else.

 

[R3verse Swing]

They are not higher in Pakistan though, It's just that there a lot more of them because I feel like the generally Pakistanis (going off what I've heard and my own family) who are capable in this field would look towards the UK and their universities such as Cambridge and Oxford, rather than likes of Harvard or Stanford in the US. Also the UK doesn't do residency afterwards, and you don't need to get a bachelor's degree before hand either, while it's probably cheaper here too for tuition.

I am only going by what Mamoon has said:

It is the same in Pakistan. The number of doctors with UK degrees are higher

But at the same time he admits:

U.S. doctors are not necessarily better than the UK doctors, but a U.S. degree is far more reputable when it comes to employment.

I guess the USA degree has more value because it provides the opportunity to live in impunity after studies.

 

[WC-Passion]

I am only going by what Mamoon has said:



But at the same time he admits:



I guess the USA degree has more value because it provides the opportunity to live in impunity after studies.

No, it's considered more valuable as less people have it and it takes more time, it's also more expensive, though going through the process in the US doesn't instantly make you a better doctor than someone who did medicine in the UK. That's what he's trying to get at here.

 

[Mamoon]

How comes my post on Pakistan cricket in the 90s was deleted?

Anyway, what Mamoon is saying is this:

UK degree holds less value than USA degree in medicine, BUT Pakistanis choose UK education above USA, hence why Doctors with UK degrees are higher in Pakistan. Begs the question why wannabe doctors simply do not study in USA over UK?

They are not higher in Pakistan though, It's just that there a lot more of them because I feel like the generally Pakistanis (going off what I've heard and my own family) who are capable in this field would look towards the UK and their universities such as Cambridge and Oxford, rather than likes of Harvard or Stanford in the US. Also the UK doesn't do residency afterwards, and you don't need to get a bachelor's degree before hand either, while it's probably cheaper here too for tuition.

Two reasons why most Pakistanis to go UK for post grad and not the U.S.

Cost and difficulty.

The PLAB (UK exam) is cheaper and easier than the USMLE (U.S. exam). PLAB is a two step exam while USMLE is a three step exam. PLAB has roughly 70% success rate while only 30-40% clear the USMLE.

 

[Mamoon]

Oh okay, so I'm assuming here that the fact that you have to get a bachelor's degree first, and then do residency afterwards, is why some would see it as more reputable. That is ludicrously long, looking at that it takes around 11-14 years to get somewhere with the profession, in-terms of employment. Takes a lot of commitment, anyone who's gone through that process deserves a lot of respect. If you've gone through that, I applaud you.

Also [MENTION=146530]DeadBall[/MENTION], congrats on your Admin role.

No, I did my MBBS from Pakistan and then did USMLE. Becoming a doctor is a huge commitment in the U.S., and that is why only the best students tend to get into med schools there.

 

[Mamoon]

No, it's considered more valuable as less people have it and it takes more time, it's also more expensive, though going through the process in the US doesn't instantly make you a better doctor than someone who did medicine in the UK. That's what he's trying to get at here.

And also, a UK qualified doctor gets a higher salary in Pakistan than a Pakistani qualified doctor. U.S. qualified gets the highest salary, but the difference between U.S. and UK in terms of salary is not that big.

 

[shaz619]

To be fair, it doesn't matter if you qualify from the US or UK. The training also needs to be extended to sort out the mental limitations, many of these trainee doctors could benefit from seeing a psychiatrist

 

[DeadBall]

No, it's considered more valuable as less people have it and it takes more time, it's also more expensive, though going through the process in the US doesn't instantly make you a better doctor than someone who did medicine in the UK. That's what he's trying to get at here.

Been a while but I did my first 3 years of MBBS (theoretical) in 1994 in Romania, was only 14 at the time but I got there so young due to scholarships. When the practical part started, especially having to locate nerves in the brachial plexus in a cadavre, I realized this was not for me. I swiftly changed to IT being so young while the others who were not meant for this profession went for Stomatology.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

PSL? A joke of a tournament, an embarrassing IPL rip-off.

CPEC is not good for Pakistan in the long-term. I am happy to discuss that in depth when time permits.

PM held accountable is good but the political instability remains. As long as the Army holds the keys, Pakistan politics will continue to be in turmoil.

Yes terrorism has been reduced, but I will not count it as a positive unless it is eradicated from the roots. Unfortunately, that is not going to happen because our politicians and the military brass are still in bed with them.

The PSL is surprisingly decent to watch, I was going to give it a miss this year but have ended up watching more games than I intended. I don't know much about IPL other than they had some cheerleaders that got the spectators overly excited, but the Pak bhangra dancers are kind of pathetic so we can't gloat about that. I don't know what it is you were expecting from the PSL, but they have spent a lot of money getting international players and commentators to put on a show in half empty stadiums. Given the circumstances in Pakistan I think it's a commendable job.

I don't see any harm in your admiration for Indian cricket by the way, even though it does border on sycophancy. They are a great team at the moment, and it's there for all to see. Shame about their selfish attitude to cricket which has probably harmed the international game beyond repair, and has certainly destroyed what used to be one of the most anticipated rivalries in world cricket, Pakistan/India games, but that is what you get when you use sport as a political football.

 

[Varun]

I've never undertood why so many Indians who have disdian for Pakistan and Pakistani's spend so much time talking to them on internet forums . I personally have never visited any Indian forum, ever.

Nor have I. The Indian equivalent of a forum like this is the absolute pits unless you're one particular kind of Indian cricket fan - most of us aren't. The difference between such a website and PP is like night and day.

 

[WC-Passion]

No, I did my MBBS from Pakistan and then did USMLE. Becoming a doctor is a huge commitment in the U.S., and that is why only the best students tend to get into med schools there.

Yeah it is a huge commitment. Was it hard to transition from doing an MBBS from Pakistan to the USMLE in the US?

Been a while but I did my first 3 years of MBBS (theoretical) in 1994 in Romania, was only 14 at the time but I got there so young due to scholarships. When the practical part started, especially having to locate nerves in the brachial plexus in a cadavre, I realized this was not for me. I swiftly changed to IT being so young while the others who were not meant for this profession went for Stomatology.

Doing that at the age of 14 is tough, and most top students probably wouldn't be able to do that. Not sure if this is normal in Romania though.

 

[DeadBall]

Doing that at the age of 14 is tough, and most top students probably wouldn't be able to do that. Not sure if this is normal in Romania though.

The age thing was tough as I think it was too soon but I did more than alright till the practical years. I qualified earlier (with a scholarship) because I got a double promotion in grades 6 and 8 and then saved another two years by changing from O levels to the Metric system as Romania didn't know the difference between the Pakistani metric and intermediate systems at the time.

 

[WC-Passion]

The age thing was tough as I think it was too soon but I did more than alright till the practical years. I qualified earlier (with a scholarship) because I got a double promotion in grades 6 and 8 and then saved another two years by changing from O levels to the Metric system as Romania didn't know the difference between the Pakistani metric and intermediate systems at the time.

Oh, so you were moved up grades/years and then the change in system made it so you skipped a couple of years... That's just bizzare.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=138836]WC-Passion[/MENTION] are you already in medical school, if not try and get into the uni of birmingham, their medical school is amazing and arguably the best in the UK. I believe they also have a really good relationship with queen elizabeth hospital which is the best in the city

 

[AssassinatedDevil]

My whole take on this topic is this-

Only finding faults in one's country is a bad thing to do as it can lose to losing one's credibility and rightfully so, as there is no country on earth that has nothing positive about it. At the very least, being born in Pakistan means we should love our land and strive to better its image as we owe atleast that much to the country. If we don't do something in our lives to better the country and it's people in some way, then it's a life wasted imo.

That being said, no one should be under the illusion that Pakistan isn't inferior to many other western countries. We are behind dozens of nations in basic things that are essential to the lives of people. Education, health services, pollution, law and order are just some things that we severely trail much of the western world by. Rather than hiding these faults and mask reality, we should accept them and work towards erradicating such issues. Accepting our faults isn't the same as having an inferiority complex, but those faults shouldn't be exagerrated so much that it changes the narrative entirely.

 

[WC-Passion]

[MENTION=138836]WC-Passion[/MENTION] are you already in medical school, if not try and get into the uni of birmingham, their medical school is amazing and arguably the best in the UK. I believe they also have a really good relationship with queen elizabeth hospital which is the best in the city

Early Sixth Form now so not yet, however was definitely planning on going there, its my first choice University because it's probably the closest and high in quality. Wanted to go to one of the London ones too, major difference would be is that I would probably have to live there.

 

[JaDed]

No, I did my MBBS from Pakistan and then did USMLE. Becoming a doctor is a huge commitment in the U.S., and that is why only the best students tend to get into med schools there.

Did you get residency in Usa or you are studying for the exams? (The 300 one )

 

[Arham_PakFan]

I am normally not one to criticize overseas Pakistani's,but it is indeed hilarious when they assume they know more about the ground situation in Pakistan than the people who actually live here,then criticize us for not being patriotic.It gets funnier when these people have lived most of their lives outside Pakistan.I'm not generalizing all overseas Pakistani's(in fact most are sensible),nor am I denying that some of the resident Pakistani's go too over the top with their criticism and hating/wrist slitting.

And before anyone accuses me of having sour grapes for not getting a visa,I have been to both the UK and the US,twice,along with other countries.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Its very difficult to be a doctor in the USA, and its like a 10-13 year commitment. Its also expensive. Theres pre med which is usually a 4 year bachelors course and you could take a very easy course of youre chosing like chemistry or something, then there's the mcat exam which is the entrance exam to medical school, then there's residency, fellow, something else im missing. During residency they make you work like slaves long hours. You don't even see any real money until youre in youre early 40's or something. And again that varies if youre concentrating on something like general medicine or specializing in a field like cadiology or some other speciality. Again you pass out with a huge student loan who after talking to some of my cousins its allmost equivalent to a monthly car payment.

I also have cousins in US who say there is a way to shorten the time where you can go to the carribean and then come back and just do the usmle. This again only helps with reducing the number of years of doing pre-med taken to study and expenses. But again passing the usmle is no joke, incredibly tough. I have cousins who came back from carribean with the degree but cant make it through the board usmle exam..

 

[sshakir411]

Its very difficult to be a doctor in the USA, and its like a 10-13 year commitment. Its also expensive. Theres pre med which is usually a 4 year bachelors course and you could take a very easy course of youre chosing like chemistry or something, then there's the mcat exam which is the entrance exam to medical school, then there's residency, fellow, something else im missing. During residency they make you work like slaves long hours. You don't even see any real money until youre in youre early 40's or something. And again that varies if youre concentrating on something like general medicine or specializing in a field like cadiology or some other speciality. Again you pass out with a huge student loan who after talking to some of my cousins its allmost equivalent to a monthly car payment.

I also have cousins in US who say there is a way to shorten the time where you can go to the carribean and then come back and just do the usmle. This again only helps with reducing the number of years of doing pre-med taken to study and expenses. But again passing the usmle is no joke, incredibly tough. I have cousins who came back from carribean with the degree but cant make it through the board usmle exam..

The highlighted is not true. While becoming a doctor does take longer in the US...the return is also far greater than most places. I speak from personal experience...3 of my cousins are doctors in the US..2 went to American med schools and 1 to the Caribbean. The American Med school cousins are high achievers and went straight to med school after completing their bachelors...both are in the mid 30s now and make over $400k a year...that is a lot of money and probably the most you can make as a professional in your 30s....the one that went to the Caribbean took a little longer to get through USMLE but is also in mid 30s and making around $300k a year. If you can clear your USMLE exams without too much delay you will make very good money right after completing your residency unless you go for a fellowship. I'd say the average age of residents in the US is 28-30

 

[R3verse Swing]

Let's get real. Most Asians who are Doctors or studying to be one is due to peer pressure. "Beta Doctor ya Engineer ban na".

Being a doctor is rank. Hardly anyone does it for the love of humanity but rather for the love of money. Let's face it, unless a doctor is a specialist the money is nothing to write home about.

Care about humanity and the life of a human being? Join Red Cross and let's see if a doctor will help patients for free.

 

[Snak3eye5]

Let's get real. Most Asians who are Doctors or studying to be one is due to peer pressure. "Beta Doctor ya Engineer ban na".

Being a doctor is rank. Hardly anyone does it for the love of humanity but rather for the love of money. Let's face it, unless a doctor is a specialist the money is nothing to write home about.

Care about humanity and the life of a human being? Join Red Cross and let's see if a doctor will help patients for free.

While I agree the majority do it for the title of being a doctor and the money that comes with it especially if you are brave enough to do the studying and face the expenses. Ive found some obnoxious doctors that even correct you if you call them by their first name and you’re not even their patient. Too much pride there. I’ve even come across a personal experience that I remember to this day, when I send a wedding invitation card to a friend who was a doctor and he took offense with the fact that I didn’t address his wife and him with the doctor tag in the invitation. I find this is a common protocol atleast in the states. Not sure outside Us if this is common norm.

But with that being said I’ve cone across folks when asked why they became a doctor, one person who’s a friend told me because he likes to care and serve and help people. Another told me he grew up watching Dr. house md and somewhere there he decided he wanted to be a doctor. So it’s not just the money and the title...