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Pakistanis with parents born in India or vice versa

Both parents were born in Pakistan but grandparents were born in India. There is a story in my family of how my maternal grandfather survived attacks in the train by picking up hindu literature and reading it in front of the mob.

I also have some family who migrated from Bangladesh after 1971 and they tell horror stories about what the Mukhti Bani was doing to non bangalis. These stories send chills down your spine.
 
My dad's maternal grandfather was a commissioner in Delhi for years prior to partition. As a result of his prominent status, he inadvertently got involved with the leaders of Pakistan movement and unfortunately, made the mistake of migrating to Pakistan. Had he stayed in India, I wouldn't have been born, but it is okay because staying in India would have been better for his future generations.

Pakistan is probably the last country in the world that I would have opted to be born in. India is not my first choice by any means, but it is still a far, far better option than Pakistan. It is a proper country with good global image and has a bright future. Pakistan is just a fancier Afghanistan. Nevertheless, you have to make do with what you have. It is a pity that of all the countries in the world, I had to be born in Pakistan, but it is what it is.

If you have some bad experience in your life in Pakistan, don't blame the whole country. My Grandparents also moved from India (Punjab) and so happy they did.
 
Even if Momoon had been born to the USA, he would still be cursing about his fate. Nothing comes on a plate to you- you struggle for it. If you do not bicker about things in Pakistan, do something with your life, then the same Pakistan will look good. The same Pakistan allows you to travel outside Pakistan on Pakistani passport which most American/Western wannabes dish about it. Be thankful that you have a Pakistani passport that allows you to have visas to USA and UK.

Considering the riots and discrimination I notice in India - Thanks God I happened to be born in Pakistan. Atleast I am not living as a minority.

Pakistanis can be crappy people however we can make this country a better place to live in if we act like as a united nation and be sincere to our country.

Who is going to respect a country where its citizens want everything on a plate without working for it?
 
I just went through this thread and some of the posts on page 1 are quite ironic.

Alot of posts about answering the call of the Quaid and what not. Turns out majority of those posters are today not even living in Pakistan, but settled abroad.
 
My fathers side grand parents migrated.

My grandfather was from firozpur, and my grand mother was from Sahranpur in Uttar Pardes.

Recently when i visited India, had a chance to meet the long lost family in Saharanpur. Met up with the blood side of my grand mothers relatives. Her family would eventually settle in Karachi.

Meanwhile, my grandfather would settle in Rawalpindi. Luckily enough the city would become the capital and be connected to the newer capital. Thus, have always been based in Pindi
 
Grandparents Maternal and Paternal born in Pak Panjab but parents in West Delhi like all the refugee families.
 
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Both my parents were born before 1947 in two different villages in Jullundur. My father was six when he became a refugee. He had faint memories of the time. They were not happy memories. My mother was too young to recall anything of the violent upheaval; it’s a mercy.

My parents were among the 4.9m Muslim refugees that arrived in Pakistani Punjab and that constituted 26% of Punjab’s population, per the 1951 census. Three quarters of the refugees were ‘agriculturalists’.

The Government initially set-up a temporary allotment (‘Guzara Scheme’) which distributed evacuee land for the first spring and autumn harvests. Fixed amounts were distributed: six to eight acres for land in irrigated areas and 12.5 acres for land in non-irrigated areas. Eventually, when the governments of India and Pakistan exchanged land records, land was allotted permanently based on comparable unit of value calculations, which allocated a share of the land in Pakistani Punjab based on the value of the land that landholders lost in Indian Punjab.

The 1951 census tells us where the majority of the refugees went in the Punjab: 980k went to the Lyallpur (Faisalabad) district; 745k to the Lahore district; 713k to the Montgomery (Sahiwal) district; and 646k to the district of Multan.

It was no surprise that Lyallpur was a particularly attractive location for refugees. Much of the areas around the western doabs in Punjab, that are now part of Pakistan, were sparsely populated until the major irrigation projects which established a network of perennial canals from the 1880s onwards. The result was a large-scale agricultural colonisation of previously uncultivated or semi-cultivated land. The Lyallpur district was the quintessential canal colony district. Prior to the opening of the Chenab Canal it was inhabited by only a few and consisted of impenetrable jungles and sandy waste land.

Writing in 1929, the British Governor of Punjab wrote that the irrigation works had made “the desert blossom." He continued: “Parts of the Lower Chenab Canal Colony are now absorbed in the districts of Jhang and Sheikhupura; but the Lyallpur District stands out as an entity by itself as the complete self-expression of a colony which made good…it is difficult to realise that within the memory of some of the present generation the whole of this area was one of the most waterless, inhospitable and trackless deserts in North-West India, where a handful of Nomads for some months in the years wrested with difficulty a scanty livelihood for their flocks and herds, but which was otherwise wholly devoid of life or production.”

Therefore, the reputation of the land of Lyallpur preceded itself. And it is where my grandparents settled as they went about reconstructing their torn lives.

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An extraordinary collection of photos survive of the ‘great migration’, with a Punjab focus. They were taken by Margaret Bourke-White for LIFE. If you have not seen them, they are well worth looking at: https://www.life.com/history/margaret-bourke-white-great-migration/
 
@KB my grandparents on both sides were born near to your parents in Indian Punjab and also migrated to outside Lyallpur.

My grandfather's life was save by a Sikh friend who took on a Sikh mob to let him free. One of my grandmother's was lost from her family when they were fleeing a mob. Another family took her, but they somehow got reunited in Pakistan through the grace of Allah swt.

I am surprised they do not have bitterness after their experience of Hindu and Sikh mobs. But they spoke about it in a very matter of fact way. Never blaming the individuals but blaming the circumstances.

They were not the most educated people, in terms of formal education. I wish they had documented their experiences, but they just got on with life, soon memories faded or the painful ones got pushed back to the back of their mind to not be spoken of again.
 
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Both my parents were born in India. Following several world cup humiliations and being represented by a Teletubby as captain of the cricket team, I am considering switching loyalties and calling myself a British Indian.

I am fed up of seeing wannabe Indians like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] trying to steal the limelight when I have a much more legitimate claim to be the real thing.
Nice to see you come out of the closet. If you ever visit Bengaluru, I'd like to welcome my long-lost prodigal brother.
 
In 1947, my mother left her family in a small town in India and put herself in a ship where she didnt have a cabin or place to sleep in. As she left her home, she told her mother that I am answering the call of The Quaid.

She arrived in Karachi, started teaching Urdu in one of the colleges and made her life in Pakistan.

My father also from India, left a cushy family job to join the PAF to serve our beautiful country.

The pride in my family is immense which is why when I read some ingrates talking about living in this beautiful land as it was some sort of burden, it does make me slightly mad.

But such people exist in all lands and one day will get their comeuppance for their views on this country.
That is an amazing story. One of my best friends has roots in Sindh. His grandmother was the sole member that left in 1947 as a kid to arrive in Chennai, hidden in a train transporting onions. I hear these stories and wonder about my complaints despite having such a relatively more advantageous start to life.
 
My family, grandfather in particular refused to migrate to Pakistan because he said that our ancestors came to India and conquered this land and specifically said that this is "My Country".

Everyone is in India and keeps on living a deluded life daily trying to justify their existence, I have members of my family who been awarded medals in the Army (and police etc), we have even had elected politicians but just like millions of deluded Indians Muslims led by millions of "Islamic Scholars", India is our land.

Very few in the family migrated to Pakistan...



India (as it geographically exists) today had never existed in history (before Mughuls) and it won't whenever there is an economic downturn because India will be unable to feed its massive population. When that economic downturn comes and millions are unable to work, India will disintegrate and no amount of Hindutva false bravado can keep it together. It may be unpopular opinion but I don't see India surviving with the present Hindutva bravado coupled with an economic downturn. A "poorer" Indian can survive but as a secular nation where its citizens are free to practice but today's India and my childhood India is worlds apart! It would have been unthinkable in 1970s India to behave the way Indian Cricket Team behaved in Asia up 2025 and that India was not entirely free but it was more accommodating.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag, can you imgaine what you witnessed in Asia cup 2025 in 1970 or 1980 India?

Pakistan on the other hand is a failed state, economically bankrupt and undeveloped anyways so life on a daily basis is a living nightmare for most people from what I have seen on my visits but as people get poorer and poorer they get more and more conservative and Islamic. What I have also noticed that most "educated Pakistani" people who are liberal and secular do not reflect the views of ordinary Pakistani people who are conservative and religious but "educated Pakistani" class is the class which lords over the rest of Pakistan and dominated every sphere of Pakistani society.

@KB @The Bald Eagle @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom @Major

Ordinary Pakistani is the "untouchable Dalit" inside its own land from what I have seen and witnessed in Pakistan ...They live, get educated, medically treated in a 2nd, 3rd Tier Pakistan and you see them living out their miserable existence in Pakistan (husband,wife, 2 kids on a motorcyle or in a Chinchi) as you drive by in your cool, comfortable air conditioned vehicle
 
My family, grandfather in particular refused to migrate to Pakistan because he said that our ancestors came to India and conquered this land and specifically said that this is "My Country".

Everyone is in India and keeps on living a deluded life daily trying to justify their existence, I have members of my family who been awarded medals in the Army (and police etc), we have even had elected politicians but just like millions of deluded Indians Muslims led by millions of "Islamic Scholars", India is our land.

Very few in the family migrated to Pakistan...



India (as it geographically exists) today had never existed in history (before Mughuls) and it won't whenever there is an economic downturn because India will be unable to feed its massive population. When that economic downturn comes and millions are unable to work, India will disintegrate and no amount of Hindutva false bravado can keep it together. It may be unpopular opinion but I don't see India surviving with the present Hindutva bravado coupled with an economic downturn. A "poorer" Indian can survive but as a secular nation where its citizens are free to practice but today's India and my childhood India is worlds apart! It would have been unthinkable in 1970s India to behave the way Indian Cricket Team behaved in Asia up 2025 and that India was not entirely free but it was more accommodating.

@Bhaag Viru Bhaag, can you imgaine what you witnessed in Asia cup 2025 in 1970 or 1980 India?

Pakistan on the other hand is a failed state, economically bankrupt and undeveloped anyways so life on a daily basis is a living nightmare for most people from what I have seen on my visits but as people get poorer and poorer they get more and more conservative and Islamic. What I have also noticed that most "educated Pakistani" people who are liberal and secular do not reflect the views of ordinary Pakistani people who are conservative and religious but "educated Pakistani" class is the class which lords over the rest of Pakistan and dominated every sphere of Pakistani society.

@KB @The Bald Eagle @Mamoon @DeadlyVenom @Major

Ordinary Pakistani is the "untouchable Dalit" inside its own land from what I have seen and witnessed in Pakistan ...They live, get educated, medically treated in a 2nd, 3rd Tier Pakistan and you see them living out their miserable existence in Pakistan (husband,wife, 2 kids on a motorcyle or in a Chinchi) as you drive by in your cool, comfortable air conditioned vehicle
A failed state took down 3 rafales and is right now providing an army for Saudia and is also acting as a key player in palestine issue..

I would rather take this failed state than the deluded state across the border
 
A failed state took down 3 rafales and is right now providing an army for Saudia and is also acting as a key player in palestine issue..

I would rather take this failed state than the deluded state across the border
You misunderstand my point about India and Pakistan.
 
When that economic downturn comes and millions are unable to work, India will disintegrate and no amount of Hindutva false bravado can keep it together. It may be unpopular opinion but I don't see India surviving with the present Hindutva bravado coupled with an economic downturn. A "poorer" Indian can survive but as a secular nation where its citizens are free to practice but today's India and my childhood India is worlds apart!
This sounds more like what you wish for than whats actually happening on the ground. India was actually poor during 1990’s and early 2000’s and people had little opportunities to grow. We faced harsh economic hardships during that period and it’s nothing compared to what we are having now. India will survive better than anyother nation as our development is hard-earned and not through some miracle.

Indian people always know how to live frugal when required, be resilient and have focus on things that are important. If you see on this forum, Hindus or Hindutva whatever, Indians doesnt talk about the bravado. Its the Pakistanis who always take a dig at Indian culture / people being meek or not in the face type but portray Pakistanis as some brave people. But I dont see any of your leaders or sportsmen displaying this traits.

Atleast our Indian leaders stood their ground in the face of Trump thru his tariffs to negotiate a better deal while Pakistan has always been subservient either to the US or China. Its sportsmen representing their country are the most meek people in Asia now.

Its not a dig at you or Pakistani culture but showcasing the reality where Indians are standing up for themselves. Indian culture in-fact is the most accommodating else, as you come down south, despite all the diversity, we are still rock solid as a nation.

Our democracy are constitutional institutions are strong and the very reason India is better on every sphere today. Look at the voting mandate in 2024. It was a warning to BJP to refocus its energies on growth by not giving a full majority, and it showcased in first few years itself. This 1-1.5 years has all been about GST reforms and actual Make in India progress than the last term.

India as a nation will never lean towards religious extremism but on the other hand, the very same thing has crippled Pakistan internally.
 
This sounds more like what you wish for than whats actually happening on the ground. India was actually poor during 1990’s and early 2000’s and people had little opportunities to grow. We faced harsh economic hardships during that period and it’s nothing compared to what we are having now. India will survive better than anyother nation as our development is hard-earned and not through some miracle.

Indian people always know how to live frugal when required, be resilient and have focus on things that are important. If you see on this forum, Hindus or Hindutva whatever, Indians doesnt talk about the bravado. Its the Pakistanis who always take a dig at Indian culture / people being meek or not in the face type but portray Pakistanis as some brave people. But I dont see any of your leaders or sportsmen displaying this traits.

Atleast our Indian leaders stood their ground in the face of Trump thru his tariffs to negotiate a better deal while Pakistan has always been subservient either to the US or China. Its sportsmen representing their country are the most meek people in Asia now.

Its not a dig at you or Pakistani culture but showcasing the reality where Indians are standing up for themselves. Indian culture in-fact is the most accommodating else, as you come down south, despite all the diversity, we are still rock solid as a nation.

Our democracy are constitutional institutions are strong and the very reason India is better on every sphere today. Look at the voting mandate in 2024. It was a warning to BJP to refocus its energies on growth by not giving a full majority, and it showcased in first few years itself. This 1-1.5 years has all been about GST reforms and actual Make in India progress than the last term.

India as a nation will never lean towards religious extremism but on the other hand, the very same thing has crippled Pakistan internally.
Only time will tell.
 
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