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InziRules

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We're finally consistently getting to 300. Granted, we're still behind many teams who get to 350 on a regular basis, but with our bowling, this improvement is match winning on most occasions
 
Asif Ali bailed out Pakistan today. The slowpoke batting from Imam almost cost them.
 
Rayyman said:
Asif Ali bailed out Pakistan today. The slowpoke batting from Imam almost cost them.
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Slowpoke would have seen us get to 270.

When you think back just to the last World Cup, back to the Misbah era, where we were getting 230-240, after accelerating, this is such a huge change
 
Only modern batsmen we really have are Fakhar, Babar, Asif, Shadab and Faheem.
 
Have improved but still too much deadwood. Need to be ruthless and kick out the passengers.
 
InziRules said:
That's 5 of the top 7. I'd even put Sarfraz there, when he has his good days, so that's most of the lineup.
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Only Fakhar and Babar are really the proper batsmen who can be counted on though. The rest are not reliable yet.
 
InziRules said:
Slowpoke would have seen us get to 270.

When you think back just to the last World Cup, back to the Misbah era, where we were getting 230-240, after accelerating, this is such a huge change
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The only differences are Babar and Fakhar. Imam can be easily replaced.

We have plenty of openers in the country who can replicate these selfish performances. :azhar2
 
Against a Zimbabwe's C team we barely got to 300 while other teams score 350+ for fun against top oppositions....how sad.
 
A modern day Pakistan ODI batting lineup.

How do we make this :13:

Before anyone says anything, the talent is there. It just needs to be selected and given chances.
 
Decent innings by Imam but seriously needs to learn to accelerate. People think Babar is bad when it comes to shifting gears, they haven't seen this guy.
 
This is still not good enough. We should’ve gotten a lot more. Most other teams would have gotten around 380.

We should get too happy with these performances against Zimbabwe, wait till we play the big teams to make a better judgement.
 
300 against ZIM, playing their C team, on a Flat deck, and we see this thread.

Come on guys, don't behave like the fans of a certain minnow country.. You are better than this.

Regarding the batting, you should play this line up.

Sahibzada
Fakhar
Babar
Haris / Malik
Sarfraz
Asif
Shadab
 
Kohli said:
300 against ZIM, playing their C team, on a Flat deck, and we see this thread.

Come on guys, don't behave like the fans of a certain minnow country.. You are better than this.

Regarding the batting, you should play this line up.

Sahibzada
Fakhar
Babar
Haris / Malik
Sarfraz
Asif
Shadab
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This thread is not about today, but overall. We're starting to reach a place where 300 is becoming common or too low. That might have been the case for the rest of the world, but now that we've finally gotten here, it's obvious we're moving in the right direction
 
InziRules said:
This thread is not about today, but overall. We're starting to reach a place where 300 is becoming common or too low. That might have been the case for the rest of the world, but now that we've finally gotten here, it's obvious we're moving in the right direction
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And we've seen the way u crossed 300+ 5 times against NZ, in Jan.
 
It will be modern, when you do it against a non-minnow.I rather see alarming trends as even against a minnow bowling, very few batsman scored run-a-ball.
 
Dingolfy said:
It will be modern, when you do it against a non-minnow.I rather see alarming trends as even against a minnow bowling, very few batsman scored run-a-ball.
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I guess India and England are minnows no wonder they got whooped in CT. lawl.
 
Darkrai said:
I guess India and England are minnows no wonder they got whooped in CT. lawl.
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Even Bangladesh had beat 2000s Aussies.1983 India was a minnow in front of mighty windies but still we won the WC but then rightly thrashed in the series after that.Consistant performance is the key.
 
poor poor batting 350 was on the card and we as usual batted poorly against zim b side.hopefully it is due

to rustiness of not playing odis from quite a while .anything less than 350 against this zim side is not good
 
<p>no! not yet, because still no Pakistani player made double hundred in ODI and Pakistan team also not crossing 350 runs mark in ODI Matches</p>
 
The answer to this question was exposed on the tour to NZ. Don't be fooled by a lot of matches against minnows like Zimbabwe, West Indies and co.

The Pakistani bowling attack is not spectacular either and was exposed in NZ.
 
Savak said:
The answer to this question was exposed on the tour to NZ. Don't be fooled by a lot of matches against minnows like Zimbabwe, West Indies and co.

The Pakistani bowling attack is not spectacular either and was exposed in NZ.
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Do you think the 31 runs Babar Azam scored in those 5 ODIs is a true reflection of his ability?
 
Imam Has potential but has to increase his shot range. Needs to find some boundaries early on in PP so that his strike rate is in 90 s at least.
 
We need more urgency from Babar Azam now that Imam is in the top 3. It is a myth that Babar plays at modern strike rate. He actually consumes a lot of balls in the middle. If there is a long partnership between Imam and Babar, that could mean curtains for Pakistan. Then Sarfaraz also needs to up his gear a bit and avoid playing Dhoni like. I think Malik is doing alright.
 
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We only have...

Fakhar
???
Babar
Sarfraz
???
Asif
Faheem and co

Id probably go bold and ask Haris to open...id prefer Sarf as opener but HE WONT.

2nd issue, Malik wont go away either..

So we're about 60% there...
 
Would be interesting to see how Salman Butt would do if given the opportunity to play for a few more years. Faisal Iqbal and Shahid Yousaf deserve recalls as well:yk
 
Getting carried away after barely crossing 300 against a weak Zimbabwe side (even for their standards). The moment we start scoring 300 consistently against better opposition, that would be the time to believe we're moving in the right direction. Too many one dimensional players in the squad who struggle to play at run a ball. Too much reliance on Fakhar too give us a good start. Without him in the side, we'd be back to making 250-270 on a good day. Got exposed against every big opposition we've faced over the last 18 months in ODIs.
 
Nope not really. Only fakhar is the one who knows how to play the modern game and babar is another one to an extent.
 
It's the direction that this thread is really about. Another chase which we didn't make difficult for ourselves by taking to the 45th over for no reason. Stroll, like other teams do
 
Savak said:
The answer to this question was exposed on the tour to NZ. Don't be fooled by a lot of matches against minnows like Zimbabwe, West Indies and co.

The Pakistani bowling attack is not spectacular either and was exposed in NZ.
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You, more than anyone else here, realise how bad it was in the Misbah era. We're talking about a change, these don't happen overnight, but the direction of movement is nice. Look at the freedom Fakhar is getting, look at us even looking at a player like Asif, whose job in the order is to score and slog, something we only had because Misbah didn't dare drop Afridi (Who was inconsistent)
 
InziRules said:
You, more than anyone else here, realise how bad it was in the Misbah era. We're talking about a change, these don't happen overnight, but the direction of movement is nice. Look at the freedom Fakhar is getting, look at us even looking at a player like Asif, whose job in the order is to score and slog, something we only had because Misbah didn't dare drop Afridi (Who was inconsistent)
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Granted that the de-misbafication of Pakistan Cricket will take a long time but the reality is that our batsmen are still far behind the rest of the elite teams. This current series and non-stop cricket against minnows is misleading.

The team will be brutally exposed everytime it plays against against India, Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa as has been the case for the last 10 years.
 
Savak said:
Granted that the de-misbafication of Pakistan Cricket will take a long time but the reality is that our batsmen are still far behind the rest of the elite teams. This current series and non-stop cricket against minnows is misleading.

The team will be brutally exposed everytime it plays against against India, Australia, England, New Zealand and South Africa as has been the case for the last 10 years.
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For now, yes. In 2-3 years, I think we'll be on an even footing with them.

For me, CT proves we're going in the right direction. Team is aiming to be the best it can be. We're not good enough, but we're not content with just getting out of the groups, like under Misbah and even Afridi, where we celebrated getting to the quarters and semis as if it was some achievement

The best part is all our newer players are ODI players. No more test players, no more seniors, and a coaching staff that knows what it's doing
 
I mean we could put it down to apparently more aggressive batting, but personally I think it's largely down to the fact our batsmen now average more, rather than the low 30s of before.

If we can get all of the top 7 to average 40+ we'll be golden. Atm currently Fakhar, Babar, Imam, Haris and asif all do.
 
Pakistan team has improved a lot and many their lower order batting

There were days when Pakistan Team were finding hard to win from Zimbabwe and even in t20s but the things are totally different. Pakistan team tailhander started from 6 down also tohse days i remember.

I thought that Pakistan cricket will totally go downhill and Bangladesh would replace Pakistan as second best Asian side but it is totally opposite.
 
Lynx said:
Getting carried away after barely crossing 300 against a weak Zimbabwe side (even for their standards). The moment we start scoring 300 consistently against better opposition, that would be the time to believe we're moving in the right direction. Too many one dimensional players in the squad who struggle to play at run a ball. Too much reliance on Fakhar too give us a good start. Without him in the side, we'd be back to making 250-270 on a good day. Got exposed against every big opposition we've faced over the last 18 months in ODIs.
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Every big opposition? We only struggled against New Zealand in the ODI series, proceeded to thump them for two 200-odd scores in the T20I series. Beat Australia enroute to a tournament win. Pakistan is devalued based on the few games we play, which is unfair and harsh
 
There was a time when we had Umar Akmal and Afridi following after him, the rest of the batsmen were beyond terrible.
 
Desprado123 said:
There were days when Pakistan Team were finding hard to win from Zimbabwe and even in t20s but the things are totally different. Pakistan team tailhander started from 6 down also tohse days i remember.

I thought that Pakistan cricket will totally go downhill and Bangladesh would replace Pakistan as second best Asian side but it is totally opposite.
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Misbah used that narrative beautifully to extend his ODI and overall career as much as possible. I guess being in his shoes one can't blame him, he did what was in his best interest, after all he only became a regular for Pakistan in his early to mid 30's.
 
A lot of people are forgetting that Pakistan used to lose to Zimbabwe an year or two ago.

The current team is no world beater but it is a big upgrade on what we had.
 
The_Odd_One said:
A lot of people are forgetting that Pakistan used to lose to Zimbabwe an year or two ago.

The current team is no world beater but it is a big upgrade on what we had.
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.... And Zimbabwe went back 10 times in that phase. I'll take these wins with a pinch of salt if I were a pak fan.
 
Itachi said:
.... And Zimbabwe went back 10 times in that phase. I'll take these wins with a pinch of salt if I were a pak fan.
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I am not interested in results but the overall progress. In just 2 years, we have got:

1. Fakhar, our best opener since Anwar
2. Babar, our best LOI batsman since Yousuf
3. Shadab, our best spin bowling all-rounder since Afridi
4. A far better bowling attack

We have gotten rid of almost all TTFs. Hafeez is not even in the playing XI. I call this progress.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Every big opposition? We only struggled against New Zealand in the ODI series, proceeded to thump them for two 200-odd scores in the T20I series. Beat Australia enroute to a tournament win. Pakistan is devalued based on the few games we play, which is unfair and harsh
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Chasing in ODI >>>>> Chasing in T20.Windies would chase anything in T20 but wont even be able to cross 250 in ODIs.For long, your batsmen had only two methods while chasing in ODIs.Either tuk-tuk or go bersek.Nothing in the middle.The second method will work in T20 but not in ODI.You need batsmen who soak up the pressure, runs hard to convert ones into twos and attack when its right.Unless you get batsmen like that, you aint chasing big scores in ODI.
 
The_Odd_One said:
I am not interested in results but the overall progress. In just 2 years, we have got:

1. Fakhar, our best opener since Anwar
2. Babar, our best LOI batsman since Yousuf
3. Shadab, our best spin bowling all-rounder since Afridi
4. A far better bowling attack

We have gotten rid of almost all TTFs. Hafeez is not even in the playing XI. I call this progress.
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To be honest, only fakhar maybe considered to enter in the top team. That too as a hit or miss player

Babar SR is too slow for any top team

Shadab is unproven.
 
Dingolfy said:
Chasing in ODI >>>>> Chasing in T20.Windies would chase anything in T20 but wont even be able to cross 250 in ODIs.For long, your batsmen had only two methods while chasing in ODIs.Either tuk-tuk or go bersek.Nothing in the middle.The second method will work in T20 but not in ODI.You need batsmen who soak up the pressure, runs hard to convert ones into twos and attack when its right.Unless you get batsmen like that, you aint chasing big scores in ODI.
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Are we judging Pakistan on the basis of a series they played after a long lay-off six months ago in conditions that are hostile to sub-continent teams? Pakistan has played very little ODI cricket and most of these lads are only growing in confidence going further. The true test for this ODI team is the plethora of matches they play against the top dogs later this year. What if Pakistan manages to chase a mammoth score against India this Asia Cup, will you be singing tunes of this team on a sample size then too?
 
Sorry to say, when it comes to batting I still feel it's Fakhar who is carrying the cross all alone. The Pakistan batting line up is heavily reliant on him, his performance is literally overshadowing others weaknesses.
 
There are some youngsters in your side now and they are fearless and aggressive. There’s no shortage of energy on the field. But same was the case with Bangladesh in 2007. There is a change in approach. You should make it a permanent one, for which playing against stronger teams is absolutely necessity.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Are we judging Pakistan on the basis of a series they played after a long lay-off six months ago in conditions that are hostile to sub-continent teams? Pakistan has played very little ODI cricket and most of these lads are only growing in confidence going further. The true test for this ODI team is the plethora of matches they play against the top dogs later this year. What if Pakistan manages to chase a mammoth score against India this Asia Cup, will you be singing tunes of this team on a sample size then too?
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I am talking from your long history, not just about this team.And even in CT you chased pretty poorly, especially in the SL match.
And one-off performances doesnt mean the entire structure has been changed.We were Sachin or nothing in the 90's and even then we won in Sharjah chasing 275 against mighty Australia.But those were not repeatable because we never had the batsmen to do chasing.
Our dynamics changed when we got the likes Yuvi,Kaif,Raina and Dhoni who can do everything I mentioned above.Now all of that is on the shoulders of Kohli.
 
Dingolfy said:
I am talking from your long history, not just about this team.And even in CT you chased pretty poorly, especially in the SL match.
And one-off performances doesnt mean the entire structure has been changed.We were Sachin or nothing in the 90's and even then we won in Sharjah chasing 275 against mighty Australia.But those were not repeatable because we never had the batsmen to do chasing.
Our dynamics changed when we got the likes Yuvi,Kaif,Raina and Dhoni who can do everything I mentioned above.Now all of that is on the shoulders of Kohli.
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Why is the current team judged on the basis of our 'long history'? Do you even realize the meagre number of matches most of these guys have played? Umesh Yadav has played more matches than every single bowler in this Pakistan line-up. And Yadav ain't even first choice for India

We just do not know how this team will turn out in the long run. Besides Malik and Sarfraz, none of them have even played 50 ODI matches so far in their careers. It's unfair to bash them based on what Misbah's and Afridi's rubbish teams did in the recent past. Let these guys play a decent amount of matches and if they fail, then you will have an opportunity to lay into them for their weaknesses'
 
399, then a horrible knock by Babar to ensure 350 is the max we get.

Still, improvement
 
Of course.

The Golden era of our batting has just started.

oh wait... 5-0.
 
Our batting looks great right now. Can't wait to see us against the top teams. I think we will do well as no teams really have a great bowling lineup ATM.
 
I’m still not convinced about our batting. I’m going to wait till the Asia cup and the upcoming series’ against Australia and New Zealand.
 
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