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Woah this is eye opening! PTI has been a disappointment so far, but to be fair things were looking positive until corona struck..
Reduce exports, increase imports, artificially keep the dollar's value down... also known as short-term, unsustainable growth.
We should have continued with the same tactics and taken the country even closer toward the cliff.
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Woah this is eye opening! PTI has been a disappointment so far, but to be fair things were looking positive until corona struck..
Woah this is eye opening! PTI has been a disappointment so far, but to be fair things were looking positive until corona struck..
The guy has no idea about anything he posts, yesterday he criticised the PTI for not allowing imports( at low prices), when i asked him on how he thinks they should be paid for, well you guessed the rest, just evasion and run.
Woah this is eye opening! PTI has been a disappointment so far, but to be fair things were looking positive until corona struck..
It is eye opening if you don't analyse the data and simply use the figures which can be deceiving.
If we simply make our judgement based on Growth rate than highest rate in our history were:
7.7 in 2005 under military dictator Pervez Musharaff
10.2 in 1980 under dictator General Zia ul haq
11.3 in 1970 under Yahya Khan
10.4 in 1965 under Ayub Khan
Does it prove that military rules are far better than democratic rule?
Just to give you an idea, PPP govt of 2008-2013 was considered one of the worst, do you know what Current Account deficit they left? $2.5 Billion and do you know where PMLN left? $20 Billion. Now people will claim that CAD means nothing if you are getting growth right? Well if you import $60Billion and export only $20 Billion then how long can you survive for? The GROWTH during PMLN was based on IMPORTS whereas exports DECREASED.
You are sending $60 Billion out of country
Your are getting $20 Billion from exports
Some Dollars earned through remittances (Around $20Billion)
Remaining $20 Billion was used from RESERVES and BORROWED money to keep the balance.
So PTI takes power, they had 2 weeks worth money left to pay INTEREST payments and on the verge of default. No way on earth any country in the world was going to grow at 6% when you had to run to IMF within months right???
Took 2 years to stabilize and now Corona has impacted world economy. Please don't be fooled (although it's very easy under these circumstances).
I'm not sure why people are attacking me for just stating a fact! The numbers don't lie. You can provide numerous contexts but the bottomline is I don't see how PTI has done any better than PMLN notwithstanding the corruptions allegations.
I'm not sure why people are attacking me for just stating a fact! The numbers don't lie. You can provide numerous contexts but the bottomline is I don't see how PTI has done any better than PMLN notwithstanding the corruptions allegations.
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] simple question, how will you grow exports? Please outline your entire strategy. Much appreciated, thanks.
I will be happy to vote for you instead if you answer this![]()
I'm not sure why people are attacking me for just stating a fact! The numbers don't lie. You can provide numerous contexts but the bottomline is I don't see how PTI has done any better than PMLN notwithstanding the corruptions allegations.
Cult-followers say that the current account deficit would have killed us, but the problem is leveling the current account deficit has killed us.
Cult-followers say that the current account deficit would have killed us, but the problem is leveling the current account deficit has killed us.
CAD doesn't kill, it just makes one a Slave.
Levelling it means it can't get worse from thereafter.
There is only one solution. Pakistan will have to modernize its industries and move on from seasonal, agriculture produce to high tech exports.
This will not be achieved with some Digital Pakistan drama, a name that we picked up from Modi’s Digital India move.
This will be achieved through the type of economic liberation that we saw in India in 1991.
This will only be achieved in Pakistan if we start focusing on building competencies. When you look at the PTI government and the type of dunces that are holding key ministries, it is clear that competency means nothing to Imran Khan.
Whoever does the most intense bhangra to his statements and whoever abuses the opposition the most is the one who gets the Ministry.
If he was focused on competencies, nalaik people like Murad Saeed, Firdous Awan, Fawad Chaudhry, Zartaj Gul, Sheikh Rasheed etc. etc. would not be holding ministries.
Economic development is not achieved through the ministry of finance only. It is the collective output of all the sectors.
The biggest stumbling block for Pakistan is not corruption. It is the interference and the involvement of military in everything non-military.
Our military has a business empire worth billions and they have a stake in everything. It is the only military in the world that is not only expert in war and security but they are also expert in agriculture, manufacturing, sports, civil aviation, construction projects, media and entertainment.
Since they have their fingers in every pie, they cannot afford to witness the type of economic boom that we saw in India in the 90’s that resulted in significant privatization.
In cricketing terms, PTI started batting after PMLn,PPP followed on in 1st innings. They will earn a Lead only after overtaking the first innings deficit.
Bottomline is PMLn + PPP put a Big Hole in boat everytime before jumping out of it.
[MENTION=151679]Forward Defensive Push[/MENTION]
COVID-19 is just a convenient excuse for them. Their entire politics is based on blaming others and making tall claims.
If COVID wouldn’t have happened, they would have found another excuse. This government is so shameless that they are now not only blaming the previous governments but also the public and are calling them stupid. Apparently, the same stupid public showed faith in them 2 years ago.
Another issue with PTI is that they have created a simple formula for themselves. If something goes right, they take all the credit; if something goes wrong, they blame PMLN and PPP.
Furthermore, when you ask them what happened to their tabdeeli, they say that it will take time. But “it will take time” means nothing. The reason why they cannot give an estimate is because they do not want to hold themselves accountable.
Nowadays, PTI jokers have memorized a new line: “Rome was not built in a day”
The problem is that Rome was not built by useless nalaik people. These failures cannot build their Rome in 50 years and they will still be crying over the “mess” PMLN and PPP left.
Imran Khan over the last 20+ years got so carried away with hyperbole and tall claims that now he and has government have nowhere to hide.
They did not have a workable, practical mandate and no realistic solutions. These were some of the claims they made during their election campaign:
- We will bring back $200 billion that were looted by Nawaz and Zardari
- I will eliminate corruption from top to bottom
- I will convert PM House and CM House into universities and libraries
- I will make Pakistan so prosperous that people from the West will come here for jobs
- I will put all the corrupt politicians in jail
- People say that you have acquired the same old faces in your party, but when the leader is honest, everyone below him works diligently.
- I will rather commit suicide then beg another country or institution for loans
Do you find any of the above practical? This was his entire political campaign and this what convinced people to do bhangra on the streets with red and green paint on their faces.
PTI supporters now claim that the artificial valuation of Ishaq Dar was unsustainable, but is this circus show of PTI sustainable?
They first championed Asad Umar as some financial guru who will resolve our economic problems, but he was out of his depth that he had to be sacked in 8 months.
He was then replaced by Hafeez Sheikh, a former PPP finance minister. At one hand, Imran claims that PPP looted the country and on the other hand, he hires a PPP finance minister to resolve our economic issues.
Hafeez Sheikh is either corrupt or incompetent. If he knew about Zardari looting wealth and he stayed quiet to protect his position, that makes him corrupt.
If he didn’t know about Zardari looting wealth, what sort of finance minister was he? That makes him incompetent.
The nation is tired of this government crying about others. It has been 2 years and there doesn’t seem to be an end to their wailing.
One day they will cry about PMLN/PPP, the next day they will cry about the “mafia” even though the mafia leaders are Imran’s buddies,
The next day they will cry about the judiciary who always seem to get in the way of their tabdeeli,
The next day they will blame the public for being ignorant and stupid,
The next day Imran’s tongue will slip and they will say please don’t criticize him his tongue just slipped. Not a big deal.
The bottom-line is that PTI is a busted tyre. They have appointed some absolute morons as key ministers and these people can do anything but bring tabdeeli.
The end result is that it is a disjointed, confused, chaotic party with no future. It will last as long as Imran is alive.
There is no chemistry or coordination from top to bottom. You have a delusional leader at the bottom who lives in a whole of his own, and an assortment of opportunistic, failed politicians who are serving their interests and who jumped on the tabdeeli bandwagon for personal interests.
CAD doesn't kill, it just makes one a Slave.
Levelling it means it can't get worse from thereafter.
Own your mess, but we will sort it like we have started to with PSM, IPPS and PIA, along with your budget and CAD deficits.
We? Who are we? You weren’t even allowed to vote.
And we have seen what the results of PTI “sorting out” looks like. I am seeing it in KP since 2013.
These good for nothing charlatans can only abuse and create hype.
Yes sir I am eagerly awaiting the day we will become masters under Imran.
If you think we cannot get worse, you are underestimating the incompetence of this government. Never before have such jokers been unleashed on the country.
But it’s okay, it will still be PMLN and PPP’s fault.
If you think we cannot get worse, you are underestimating the incompetence of this government.
I said thereafter . Why you want to think I said hereafter ?
Because there is no reason to be optimistic.
We? Who are we? You weren’t even allowed to vote.
And we have seen what the results of PTI “sorting out” looks like. I am seeing it in KP since 2013.
These good for nothing charlatans can only abuse and create hype.
If you knew it since 2013 then why did you vote for them in 2018?
If they did so bad, why did the people of KPK give them 2/3rd majority in 2018?
Now run.
again, the point has been made. Its not rocket science. IK hasnt done anything that has not been seen in other countries or hasnt been talked about amongst economists everywhere. He has stuck to the basics and managed to pull things around (obviously alot more needs to happen).
However the key thing to question is, if IK can do this with not much govt experience behind him or his team, what were our previous govts doing for 30 odd years? I mean truly? as I have said before it is not just about corruption it is about downright treason.
The zardaris and sharifs should be hung in front of the people..
Treason is the correct statement. They have ruined millions of lives, millions of households who died because of no money or food or healthcare because these leeches were busy looting the coffers. Deserve to rot.
There is only one solution. Pakistan will have to modernize its industries and move on from seasonal, agriculture produce to high tech exports.
This will not be achieved with some Digital Pakistan drama, a name that we picked up from Modi’s Digital India move.
This will be achieved through the type of economic liberation that we saw in India in 1991.
This will only be achieved in Pakistan if we start focusing on building competencies. When you look at the PTI government and the type of dunces that are holding key ministries, it is clear that competency means nothing to Imran Khan.
Whoever does the most intense bhangra to his statements and whoever abuses the opposition the most is the one who gets the Ministry.
If he was focused on competencies, nalaik people like Murad Saeed, Firdous Awan, Fawad Chaudhry, Zartaj Gul, Sheikh Rasheed etc. etc. would not be holding ministries.
Economic development is not achieved through the ministry of finance only. It is the collective output of all the sectors.
The biggest stumbling block for Pakistan is not corruption. It is the interference and the involvement of military in everything non-military.
Our military has a business empire worth billions and they have a stake in everything. It is the only military in the world that is not only expert in war and security but they are also expert in agriculture, manufacturing, sports, civil aviation, construction projects, media and entertainment.
Since they have their fingers in every pie, they cannot afford to witness the type of economic boom that we saw in India in the 90’s that resulted in significant privatization.
Pakistan’s C/A post surplus for third successive month on back of remittance & exports
Pakistan’s current account posted a surplus for a third successive month in September, revealed the State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Wednesday.
As per the data released by the central bank, the surplus reached $73 million against a deficit of $278 million a year earlier. As a result, the current account recorded a surplus of $792 million in Q1-FY21, the first quarterly surplus in more than 5 years.
On the development, Prime Minister Imran Khan said that Pakistan is heading in the right direction.
In a tweet on Wednesday, he said “the current account was in surplus of $73mn during September bringing surplus for the first quarter to $792mn compared to a deficit of $1,492mn during the same time last year.”
The Prime Minister said exports grew 29pc and remittances 9pc during the previous month.
Meanwhile, the SBP was of the view that continued buoyancy in remittances (up 9 percent m/m) and a broad-based rebound in exports (up 29pc m/m) drove the current account surplus in September. “Imports also picked up in line with the on-going revival in domestic economic activity,” it added.
Meanwhile, the Balance on Trade in Goods during the first quarter remained at negative $5.252 billion as compared to negative $5.048bn recorded in the same period last year. The deficit in services fell by 50pc to $530mn in the first quarter and the revenue deficit increased by 7pc to $1.52bn.
According to the SBP, worker remittances from July to September rose 31 percent to $7.14bn, up $1.69bn from the previous fiscal year.
Furthermore, the Current Account percentage of GDP stood at 1.2pc in the first quarter as compared to negative 2.3pc in the same period last year.
https://www.brecorder.com/news/4002...uccessive-month-on-back-of-remittance-exports
Time to end the spin
Khurram Husain
Updated 22 Oct 2020
THERE is this pesky thing about reality — it always finds a way to assert itself. You can muzzle it, deny it and spin it away but it will always catch up with you eventually. Perhaps that’s why we call it reality, because it doesn’t go away simply because somebody in a position of power or influence orders it to go away. And for any ruler there are two realities that simply cannot be muzzled, denied or spun away: economics and war.
Take one example of how reality is being spun to try and put a little shine on things. On Wednesday, when the rest of the country was still debating the fallout of the Karachi jalsa, the prime minister tweeted the following: “Great news for Pakistan. We are headed in right direction finally. Current Account was in surplus of $73 mn during Sept, bringing surplus for 1st qtr to $792 mn compared to deficit of $1,492 mn during same time last yr. Exports grew 29pc & remittances grew 9pc over previous month.”
This is spin, pure and simple, and there is an easy way to show that. Look at how the data is presented. For the current account balance (which is in surplus) the data is compared to the same period last year. For exports and remittances — the two key elements in the current account — the data is compared to the preceding months. The impression this creates is one of overall improvement.
But let’s invert this presentation for a moment and see what happens. Let’s compare the current account balance to the preceding months and remittances and exports to the same period last year instead and see what happens.
In July, August and September, the three months under discussion, the current account balance was in surplus by $508 million, $211m and $72m respectively. In case you missed the significance, on a month-to-month basis the surplus is actually shrinking, and rather rapidly. Let’s discuss why a little later.
Next up, if you compare exports and remittances in the month of September from the same month last year, you will notice that exports rose this year by $72m, or 3.8 per cent of their value last year. This is not exactly a triumphant increase. Remittances in the month of September saw an increase of $544m from last year, or just above 31pc.
The thing to note in the data is the $417m increase in the trade deficit in September, which is almost 29pc, or just about the same as the increase in remittances. It is not clear whether or not this increase in remittances owes itself to any government policy yet, so let’s wait before celebrating it as a major triumph of any sort, but we can note this simple reality: the remittances are financing the trade deficit.
Notice how the shine goes off the numbers if you invert the manner in which they are presented. The current account was helped along by a near collapse in imports during the months of the Covid-19 lockdowns, and now that those are receding, oil prices are regaining their earlier levels, the surplus that was posted in July and August is shrinking.
The bigger point is that nothing in the underlying economy has changed so if the government guns for growth at this point the current account deficit will reappear with a vengeance.
Anytime you see any government loudly celebrating individual data points, telling you to rejoice because reserves are up this week or the current account deficit is down, or whatever, you can be sure that they have no real story of success to tell and are leaping from one data release to the other as if they are stepping stones that actually lead somewhere. If you look at all the data points that they have invoked in the past and urged us to rejoice, you will realise that the story of the economy is not going anywhere as of right now.
I have said it in the past and it bears repeating: deficit reduction is not the key here. Of course deficits need to be reduced when an economy has depleted its foreign exchange reserves or blown all its fiscal buffers to the point where its debt levels have hit unsustainable heights. Where exactly that point lies is a subjective judgement though.
There are examples from our very own neighbourhood of countries that have persistently run deficits in their fiscal and current accounts for almost three decades now without depleting their reserves (or at least nowhere near as often as Pakistan has) and without blowing out their fiscal balance sheet. India and Bangladesh stand out as examples, as to a lesser extent Sri Lanka and Nepal too.
In Pakistan what matters is what we do after the deficits have been reduced. Every government in the past 30 years has begun its term in office by reducing the current account deficit, and in some cases, the scale of the reduction has been larger than what the current government is boasting. There is nothing unusual in this. It happens every time in the first year of an IMF programme. Perhaps the only unusual thing for this government is that it will have two first years of an IMF programme in two years, given they are about to negotiate a return to the programme and present a circular debt reduction plan as well as a tax plan for the ongoing fiscal year.
The reality is that this government is adrift. There is no vision at play, whether for tax reform or on state-owned enterprises. We are told something has been developed for the power sector, but the test of this plan will be their ability to arrest and reduce the circular debt without recourse to tariff hikes.
Reality is asserting itself now, in the data as well as the streets. Time to end the rhetoric.
The writer is a member of staff.
khurram.husain@gmail.com
Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1586413
Comments: A very hard hitting article, what do people over here think and how would they critique, respond to the author if they wanted to?
Time to end the spin
Khurram Husain
Updated 22 Oct 2020
THERE is this pesky thing about reality — it always finds a way to assert itself. You can muzzle it, deny it and spin it away but it will always catch up with you eventually. Perhaps that’s why we call it reality, because it doesn’t go away simply because somebody in a position of power or influence orders it to go away. And for any ruler there are two realities that simply cannot be muzzled, denied or spun away: economics and war.
Take one example of how reality is being spun to try and put a little shine on things. On Wednesday, when the rest of the country was still debating the fallout of the Karachi jalsa, the prime minister tweeted the following: “Great news for Pakistan. We are headed in right direction finally. Current Account was in surplus of $73 mn during Sept, bringing surplus for 1st qtr to $792 mn compared to deficit of $1,492 mn during same time last yr. Exports grew 29pc & remittances grew 9pc over previous month.”
This is spin, pure and simple, and there is an easy way to show that. Look at how the data is presented. For the current account balance (which is in surplus) the data is compared to the same period last year. For exports and remittances — the two key elements in the current account — the data is compared to the preceding months. The impression this creates is one of overall improvement.
But let’s invert this presentation for a moment and see what happens. Let’s compare the current account balance to the preceding months and remittances and exports to the same period last year instead and see what happens.
In July, August and September, the three months under discussion, the current account balance was in surplus by $508 million, $211m and $72m respectively. In case you missed the significance, on a month-to-month basis the surplus is actually shrinking, and rather rapidly. Let’s discuss why a little later.
Next up, if you compare exports and remittances in the month of September from the same month last year, you will notice that exports rose this year by $72m, or 3.8 per cent of their value last year. This is not exactly a triumphant increase. Remittances in the month of September saw an increase of $544m from last year, or just above 31pc.
The thing to note in the data is the $417m increase in the trade deficit in September, which is almost 29pc, or just about the same as the increase in remittances. It is not clear whether or not this increase in remittances owes itself to any government policy yet, so let’s wait before celebrating it as a major triumph of any sort, but we can note this simple reality: the remittances are financing the trade deficit.
Notice how the shine goes off the numbers if you invert the manner in which they are presented. The current account was helped along by a near collapse in imports during the months of the Covid-19 lockdowns, and now that those are receding, oil prices are regaining their earlier levels, the surplus that was posted in July and August is shrinking.
The bigger point is that nothing in the underlying economy has changed so if the government guns for growth at this point the current account deficit will reappear with a vengeance.
Anytime you see any government loudly celebrating individual data points, telling you to rejoice because reserves are up this week or the current account deficit is down, or whatever, you can be sure that they have no real story of success to tell and are leaping from one data release to the other as if they are stepping stones that actually lead somewhere. If you look at all the data points that they have invoked in the past and urged us to rejoice, you will realise that the story of the economy is not going anywhere as of right now.
I have said it in the past and it bears repeating: deficit reduction is not the key here. Of course deficits need to be reduced when an economy has depleted its foreign exchange reserves or blown all its fiscal buffers to the point where its debt levels have hit unsustainable heights. Where exactly that point lies is a subjective judgement though.
There are examples from our very own neighbourhood of countries that have persistently run deficits in their fiscal and current accounts for almost three decades now without depleting their reserves (or at least nowhere near as often as Pakistan has) and without blowing out their fiscal balance sheet. India and Bangladesh stand out as examples, as to a lesser extent Sri Lanka and Nepal too.
In Pakistan what matters is what we do after the deficits have been reduced. Every government in the past 30 years has begun its term in office by reducing the current account deficit, and in some cases, the scale of the reduction has been larger than what the current government is boasting. There is nothing unusual in this. It happens every time in the first year of an IMF programme. Perhaps the only unusual thing for this government is that it will have two first years of an IMF programme in two years, given they are about to negotiate a return to the programme and present a circular debt reduction plan as well as a tax plan for the ongoing fiscal year.
The reality is that this government is adrift. There is no vision at play, whether for tax reform or on state-owned enterprises. We are told something has been developed for the power sector, but the test of this plan will be their ability to arrest and reduce the circular debt without recourse to tariff hikes.
Reality is asserting itself now, in the data as well as the streets. Time to end the rhetoric.
The writer is a member of staff.
khurram.husain@gmail.com
Link: https://www.dawn.com/news/1586413
Comments: A very hard hitting article, what do people over here think and how would they critique, respond to the author if they wanted to?
Pakistan's current account deficit swells to $17.4bn
KARACHI: The current account deficit (CAD) swelled to $17.4 billion in FY22, which could be the most painful shock for an economy already in trouble with serious imbalances.
The State Bank of Pakistan (SBP) on Wednesday reported that the country recorded a CAD of $17.406bn in FY22 compared to a gap of just $2.82bn in FY21.
The massive CAD speaks a lot about the severe problem of the balance of payments. The PML-N-led coalition government posted a CAD of $4.323bn in the April-June period of 2021-22, which was the second highest quarterly deficit of the fiscal year that ended on June 30.
The deficit of over $17.4bn is more inflicting in the wake of no inflows as loans while the commercial markets are not ready to accept Pakistan’s bonds due to higher risks.
PML-N-led coalition govt posts second-highest quarterly deficit of $4.3bn
The current account deficit has exceeded the SBP’s projection for the deficit in FY22. The CAD increased to 4.6 per cent of GDP in FY22, up from 0.8pc in FY21.
In November 2021, the SBP issued its Annual Report and said the current account deficit is projected in the range of 2pc to 3pc of GDP during FY22.
Reports appearing in local and foreign media suggest that Pakistan can’t unlock the dollar inflows until the IMF executive board approves its staff-level agreement reached on July 15.
The finance minister has been hinting at an early deal with the IMF, but with the passage of time, the trust deficit is rising; the currency market reflects the trust deficit by depreciating the local currency on a day-to-day basis.
The CAD in June FY22 was much higher than in May as it rose to $2.275bn in June compared to $1.430bn in May. The CAD in June FY21 was $1.637bn.
“A surge in oil imports saw CAD rise to $2.3bn in June despite higher exports and remittances,” the SBP tweeted on Wednesday. So far in July, oil imports are much lower and the deficit is expected to resume its moderating trajectory,” it added.
The central bank said 3.3 million tonnes of oil were imported in June, a 33pc increase over May.
“Together with higher global prices, this more than doubled the oil import bill from $1.4bn to $2.9bn. By contrast, non-oil imports ticked down,” said the SBP.
The higher oil import bill was held for a higher current account deficit in June, but the entire fiscal year noted a very high current account deficit as the second quarter noted the biggest deficit of $5.565bn.
Further details showed that exports of goods in FY22 were $32.45bn while service exports were $6.97bn.
The imports of goods were $72.05bn, while the imports of services were $12.14bn. The balance of trade in goods and services showed a net deficit of $44.77bn in FY22 compared to $31.15bn a year ago.
The ongoing fiscal year will face a tough time with poor inflows and higher outflows while the economic growth rate will be half of the growth achieved in the previous fiscal year.
DAWN