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Pakistan's MQM 'received Indian funding' [BBC Report]

the Great Khan said:
they arent denying the document but saying its not part of their record. Remember this is a money laundering investigation. they are simply following the money. I think pakistan arent to fussed about what the brits do now and will simply take their own steps to deal with these people!
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There is currently kuch lo kuch do going on between our govt and brtian we want info regarding money and they want info regarding murder case (we have the man involved in it) so kuch lo and kuch do is going on between both govt IIRC there is no prisoner exchange treaty between pak and uk
 
Strike Rate said:
There is currently kuch lo kuch do going on between our govt and brtian we want info regarding money and they want info regarding murder case (we have the man involved in it) so kuch lo and kuch do is going on between both govt IIRC there is no prisoner exchange treaty between pak and uk
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both win win for Pakistan..either way the MQM look like their in big trouble!
 
the Great Khan said:
that document was a photocopy so theoretically they could be correct when they say that that particular extract isnt part of the record but the original that is more detailed may be..
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exactly the important meeting going on currently shows there is something big going on. Army Chief met PM today on thsi issue, Lot of meetings in foreign ministry today and Mailha Lodhi (Representative of Pakistan to UN) arrived today as well so it's not possible that everything is being done just because of 2 piece of copied papers or some little stuff.
 
Strike Rate said:
From what i understand Police is denying the document (paper) not the details.
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the Great Khan said:
they arent denying the document but saying its not part of their record. Remember this is a money laundering investigation. they are simply following the money. I think pakistan arent to fussed about what the brits do now and will simply take their own steps to deal with these people!
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So its possible that the 1st document is real but its not part of London police record although the investigation was done in a London police station because London police is only looking at money laundering and there might be another agency (Scotland Yard? MI6?) which has jumped in and looking at other aspects of this case namely terrorism support, interference in another country etc?

1st document has no monograms on it; the 2nd document has monograms on it.
 
Upon sentencing his Honour Judge Loraine-Smith said: "I commend Detective Sergeant Pete Barnes and Detective Constable Steve Waterworth for their performance in the investigation, in dealing with numerous leads and explanations provided by the defendants which were all undermined leading to their conviction.
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the paragraph in question.
 
The 1st document looks dodgy (does not have monogram, does not mention officers names).

While the 2nd document looks very legit (have monogram, mention officers names).
 
I think like any investigation, the authorities are going to deny such leaked media reports unless they have a solid foundation. Having such information out in public can be a huge problem for them in order to build a strong case. I think once their investigation is complete and they are ready to officially file charges, only then we will hear the full length and breadth of the corruption and nexus with India.

Make no mistake about it, MQM is in trouble for at least money laundering and tax evasion at the very minimum. Source of that money probably is going to be inconsequential in their prosecution at the end of the day but hopefully it will put some light on India's terrorist supporting activities in Pakistan.
 
Stewie said:
I think like any investigation, the authorities are going to deny such leaked media reports unless they have a solid foundation. Having such information out in public can be a huge problem for them in order to build a strong case. I think once their investigation is complete and they are ready to officially file charges, only then we will hear the full length and breadth of the corruption and nexus with India.

Make no mistake about it, MQM is in trouble for at least money laundering and tax evasion at the very minimum. Source of that money probably is going to be inconsequential in their prosecution at the end of the day but hopefully it will put some light on India's terrorist supporting activities in Pakistan.
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And the perosee brigade will be out here defending the aman pasand bharat
 
These tweets are from official accounts i hope mods don't delete them they are related to news not promoting anything.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sarfraz Merchant confirms to <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu">@geonews_urdu</a> that he shared money-laundering related papers with 2 former MQM leaders, both now in party now</p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/615943077233098752">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So he ADMITTED that the paper is genuine! (Forget about my source now )! # trapped <a href="https://t.co/8jUTAMbbvZ">https://t.co/8jUTAMbbvZ</a></p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/615950943528419329">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sarfraz Merchant tells <a href="https://twitter.com/geonews_urdu">@geonews_urdu</a> he can share evidence with the police r Altaf Hussain who the 2 people r who have leaked info 2 media</p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/615943557824839680">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So he will tell Altaf bhai and Met police that he leaked the confidencial papers to third party # trapped <a href="https://t.co/sEZtraYTUB">https://t.co/sEZtraYTUB</a></p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/615951556098199552">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He confirmed 2 me the leaked paper is genuine police paper, not doctored, but thinks leaked by 2 guys he shared with <a href="https://t.co/7R4pic9VAt">https://t.co/7R4pic9VAt</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/615952226335506432">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hard for the police to deny when one of the co-accused accepts the papers r his, shared by him with 2 former MQM men <a href="https://t.co/ggwlZjaSeE">https://t.co/ggwlZjaSeE</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/615960210478354432">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Plot thickens -Sarfraz Merchant confirms that police papers related 2 <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MQM?src=hash">#MQM</a> r genuine,he shared these with MQM leaders <a href="http://t.co/JUtb7FLaRT">pic.twitter.com/JUtb7FLaRT</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/615950145612591105">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Conclusion :"Papers are genuine ",Source :"I will not disclose". Everyone relax and enjoy!</p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/615952943393574912">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr">@Shahidmasooddr</a> can we at-least know if source is genuine? I mean the doc belongs to which British govt dept or it is an indigenous source?</p>— Matiullah Jan (@Matiullahjan919) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matiullahjan919/status/615954059518853120">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Yes it is.Met police said "not from our record,(didnt say fake)"Mr Merchant admitted it's his genuine paper leaked! <a href="https://t.co/4NxteT2KYY">https://t.co/4NxteT2KYY</a></p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/615961449198809088">June 30, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[MENTION=135445]Strike Rate[/MENTION]

London Police has apparently said these documents are fake and not on their record acc to few ppl on tw/fb

true?
 
Slog said:
[MENTION=135445]Strike Rate[/MENTION]

London Police has apparently said these documents are fake and not on their record acc to few ppl on tw/fb

true?
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Yes that was in news a few hours ago (BBC contacted London Police about these Shahid Masood papers) they didn't mentioned the word fake or anything like that they used the words carefully by mentioning it's not from our records. But Now Shahid Masood published first page of another document as response to them (you can find it on previous page i posted it a couple of hours ago). Merchant latest statements in media after Police statement is giving this story another twist.
 
Strike Rate said:
Yes that was in news a few hours ago (BBC contacted London Police about these Shahid Masood papers) they didn't mentioned the word fake or anything like that they used the words carefully by mentioning it's not from our records. But Now Shahid Masood published first page of another document as response to them (you can find it on previous page i posted it a couple of hours ago). Merchant latest statements in media after Police statement is giving this story another twist.
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Tribune says it fake,

Anyways edited title to reflect development as the previous title is libellous now

lets see what happens. Anwar was very defensive in Shahzaibs show
 
Slog said:
Tribune says it fake,

Anyways edited title to reflect development as the previous title is libellous now

lets see what happens. Anwar was very defensive in Shahzaibs show
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Things are happening really fast so it will be clear within next few days lets see. Sarfraz Merchanet statements are right now all over media channels
 
New doc with DC names is genuine. First one is also a copy from another larger doc. Met being careful when using language. MQM in massive trouble.
 
the Great Khan said:
New doc with DC names is genuine. First one is also a copy from another larger doc. Met being careful when using language. MQM in massive trouble.
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Just finished watching the today episode of doc program he looks quite confident and is asking BBC and Police to make things clear or he will publish the documents without hiding anything and the authorities will be in big trouble because those are important names (the names he hided when he published the doc first)

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There is no way this is completely all untrue.

I think there are some powers who are trying to cover up some of it.


Some of the pictures of documents I saw looked pretty authentic.
 
the guy might be retracting his statement or refusing to testify in court. So the authorities have to officially deny such statements, I think. hence their statement, it is genuine but not from our records.

MQM is flexing its muscle to shut up those who talked too much?
 
Yup that's prog I saw when I posted the links. Altaf is a gonner either way. The mqm needs to save itself. Personally I hope they crash and burn. Next stop what's left of the PPP...
 
the Great Khan said:
Yup that's prog I saw when I posted the links. Altaf is a gonner either way. The mqm needs to save itself. Personally I hope they crash and burn. Next stop what's left of the PPP...
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Yes i hope it doesn't stop here cleaning should be done everywhere next should be PPP and than Punjab Shareefs
 
I thought something was going on with PPP and zerdari as well. Some case about corruption in the education department, I vaguely remember hearing about it.
 
Stewie said:
I thought something was going on with PPP and zerdari as well. Some case about corruption in the education department, I vaguely remember hearing about it.
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Yes the operation is going against them and Sunni Tehreek as well but the problem is that soft corner for PPP in media and some of establishment because every time a MQM or Sunni Tehreek worker is arrested it's mentioned in media with party name these days but this is not the situation when PPP workers and corrupt leaders are being arrested the media just says (sindh ki aik party ke rehnuma ke ghar chapa or gireftaaryan). In last few days there were rangers raids on Owais Muzafar Tappi (Zardari's mu bola bhai) and Anwer Majid (Zardari's friend) house but most media didn't mentioned it at all and others said "sindh ki aik ahem shakhsyat ke front men ke ghar chapa".
 
Saeed said:
This is why India should be divided into more countries. These guys never lived in peace with each other and the so called India was never united until Britain made them live with each other.
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It was united brother please educate your self it was called bharat long before mughal came and india can never be divided now for sure it can only get back its lost region which used to be her
 
PMLN along with PPP and MQM also need to go. These parties represent ignorance in Pakistan and Pakistan won't get anywhere as long as these parties remain.
 
The met is saying these documents are not from their record meaning these are not their papers must be the papers with the Defendant. I think 2 set of papers from a police interview one are kept with the 2nd with the defence.
 
Strike Rate said:
Just finished watching the today episode of doc program he looks quite confident and is asking BBC and Police to make things clear or he will publish the documents without hiding anything and the authorities will be in big trouble because those are important names (the names he hided when he published the doc first)

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i lost a bit of respect for doc when he validated the 30 puncture storry and said he has proof but then when he went to court he totally backtracked and said he was just going by Imran Khan's word and left him under the bus
 
Saeed said:
PMLN along with PPP and MQM also need to go. These parties represent ignorance in Pakistan and Pakistan won't get anywhere as long as these parties remain.
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Agreed.

Or at the very least remove all their top guys
 
Slog said:
i lost a bit of respect for doc when he validated the 30 puncture storry and said he has proof but then when he went to court he totally backtracked and said he was just going by Imran Khan's word and left him under the bus
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IIRC he was never asked to come in judicial commissio and there is a case going on between najam sethi and doc on this puncture thing last month 20th was the date but najam sethi asked for more time. Here are the tweets exchange btw najam and doc on this issue i recently saw

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Masood has passed responsibility to Imran and Imran says it is only his opinion and not a fact. Both have run away. <a href="https://t.co/ajjmz31lCj">https://t.co/ajjmz31lCj</a></p>— Najam Sethi (@najamsethi) <a href="https://twitter.com/najamsethi/status/613323943710076928">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sir,20th was fixed in court.I returned from abroad.U requested for more time in court &u got 5th Sept .who run away? <a href="https://t.co/rmWhEeP17S">https://t.co/rmWhEeP17S</a></p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/613337835098103808">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">(Cont last tweet )With all due Respect sir, You ran away on 20th June from the court asking for more time. Rgds <a href="https://t.co/rmWhEeP17S">https://t.co/rmWhEeP17S</a></p>— Dr Shahid Masood (@Shahidmasooddr) <a href="https://twitter.com/Shahidmasooddr/status/613339844064903168">June 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Imran and Doc were good friends but when doc leaked the news about Imran marriage in his show after that things got bad btw them although the news was true but he faced lot of abuse on social media.
 
MQM is suppose to be the dajaal or something? why are people of punjab so afraid of them...?
 
sjahmed23 said:
MQM is suppose to be the dajaal or something? why are people of punjab so afraid of them...?
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No its just that a census is going to be held in March 2016. With the way Karachi population has grown it is expected to be about 1/7-1/8 of the total Pakistani population and more than half of sindh's population. I expect PMLN and PTi to have a split mandate between Kpk, Punjab and Balochistan in the next election with Karachi being the decider so who ever controls Karachi and Sindh will form the national government that's assuming that the elections are clean.
WIth the Federal government devolving powers to provincial government the need for divisions of our provinces is getting more acute. I hope that if MQM is destroyed it will result in Karachi and Hyderabad becoming a separate province. Today all other political parties are opposed to it as that would give MQM power apart from PPP who are opposed to it as it will stop their gravy train and make them into a small provincial party instead of a national party. Although in some ways they have become a provincial party and are going no where until zardari and his cronies are in the party.
 
Lol so the Tribune confirms the document in the OP is FAKE.

Why am I not surprised :))
 
Moh@n said:
Lol so the Tribune confirms the document in the OP is FAKE.

Why am I not surprised :))
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The thing is that MQM has 54 seats out of 130 in Sindh assembly.They have 25 seats in the National Assembly and 8 in the Pakistani Senate.They are not even banned in Pakistan but have a number of seats in all levels of public representation,but they are terrorists.I wonder why Pak govt hasnt banned them and allows them to contest polls.Or are they terrorists in the eyes of some PPers only.

Secondly the documents are proved to be false.

And this Shahid Masood guy claimed after Peshawar attack that since the Prophet(PBUH) said that the punishment of fire is for Allah(SWT) no Muslim could burn to kill people.And since Hindus burn their dead,the Peshawar attacks is by Indians.
 
Couch Cricketer said:
No its just that a census is going to be held in March 2016. With the way Karachi population has grown it is expected to be about 1/7-1/8 of the total Pakistani population and more than half of sindh's population. I expect PMLN and PTi to have a split mandate between Kpk, Punjab and Balochistan in the next election with Karachi being the decider so who ever controls Karachi and Sindh will form the national government that's assuming that the elections are clean.
WIth the Federal government devolving powers to provincial government the need for divisions of our provinces is getting more acute. I hope that if MQM is destroyed it will result in Karachi and Hyderabad becoming a separate province. Today all other political parties are opposed to it as that would give MQM power apart from PPP who are opposed to it as it will stop their gravy train and make them into a small provincial party instead of a national party. Although in some ways they have become a provincial party and are going no where until zardari and his cronies are in the party.
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Who told you that the census is happening in 2016? I hope its true. Will solve a lot of probems and hopefully the quota system will die as a result in Karachi as there would be no grounds for it. Also that would be the death of PPP in its current state. Also ANP/PTI will be able to increase their province

Right now by estimates Karachi has much more than half the population of the province but only a third or so of the seats in the Sindh assembly which is totally unfair. And tbh that would hasten the demise of MQM if the census ever happens because it would allow MQM to be a senior partner in the Sindh govt and mean that its excuse of not fulfilling its ideological promises like the end of the quota stsystem would not be valid anymore because they would have the power to do it.

End of the quota system would mean end of MQM. Nothing else.

But tbh I dont see the census happening any time soon. Too much to lose for everyone
 
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Slog said:
Who told you that the census is happening in 2016? I hope its true. Will solve a lot of probems and hopefully the quota system will die as a result in Karachi as there would be no grounds for it. Also that would be the death of PPP.

Right now by estimates Karachi has much more than half the population of the province but only a fourth or so of the seats in the Sindh assembly which is totally unfair. And tbh that would hasten the demise of MQM if the census ever happens because it would allow MQM to be a senior partner in the Sindh govt and mean that its excuse of not fulfilling its ideological promises like the end of the quota stsystem would not be valid anymore because they would have the power to do it.

End of the quota system would mean end of MQM. Nothing else.
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What is Quota system?
 
Slog said:
Who told you that the census is happening in 2016? I hope its true. Will solve a lot of probems and hopefully the quota system will die as a result in Karachi as there would be no grounds for it. Also that would be the death of PPP in its current state. Also ANP/PTI will be able to increase their province

Right now by estimates Karachi has much more than half the population of the province but only a third or so of the seats in the Sindh assembly which is totally unfair. And tbh that would hasten the demise of MQM if the census ever happens because it would allow MQM to be a senior partner in the Sindh govt and mean that its excuse of not fulfilling its ideological promises like the end of the quota stsystem would not be valid anymore because they would have the power to do it.

End of the quota system would mean end of MQM. Nothing else.

But tbh I dont see the census happening any time soon. Too much to lose for everyone
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This march it was decided that census will be held with the help of Army in march 2016

http://www.dawn.com/news/1170388
 
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PPP introduced the quota system in the 70s to counter the strength in representation of the better qualified and better educated Urdu speaking people of Karachi in Civil Services, government work and public educational institutions. So a good number of seats for any of these public institutions are automatically supposed to go to rural Sindhis (where PP derives most of its support). However what happens is that you only need to have proof of residence in rural Sindh (regardless of where you live) to be eligible and hence it is the waderas (landowners) and their children who benefit from this at the expense of people from Karachi (or poor Sindhis too really). So it was vote bank politics more than a genuine attempt to help anyone deserved.

Due to the introduction of this quota system, the Urdu speaking people of Karachi felt that they needed to have their own representation rather than rely on JI or PP or any other party who does not talk at such a localized level and as a result the MQM sprung up. One of their first promises and idelogy was to end this quota system but nothing has been done in 25 years now about it and recently it was extended for another 40 years. MQM says its never been a senior partner in the Sindh govt and has almost always either been a partner to PPP or other winners from interior Sindh or sit in opposition so it hasnt gotten the chance either. Which is true but I think it helps them to just keep on using that as bait to Karachiites.

A census would ensure Karachi gets more seats and if MQM wins it will have no excuse to not fulfill its ideological promises
 
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Moh@n said:
Lol so the Tribune confirms the document in the OP is FAKE.

Why am I not surprised :))
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oh look chuckles has returned...as usual your mentally deficient behaviour is just getting annoying now. The second document is real janaab. The first is an extract from a document that was not in the Mets "record" but was with the witness as part of their defence. Its not fake. Understand? or shall I spell out in simpler terms for a terrorist sympathiser like yourself. The second document is real and verifies the first. The tribune haven't published anything about the second as they haven't caught up with the news yet.

Now please go and ask your right wing terrorist supporting government why they support the killing of innocent school children in Pakistan..
 
the Great Khan said:
oh look chuckles has returned...as usual your mentally deficient behaviour is just getting annoying now. The second document is real janaab. The first is an extract from a document that was not in the Mets "record" but was with the witness as part of their defence. Its not fake. Understand? or shall I spell out in simpler terms for a terrorist sympathiser like yourself. The second document is real and verifies the first. The tribune haven't published anything about the second as they haven't caught up with the news yet.

Now please go and ask your right wing terrorist supporting government why they support the killing of innocent school children in Pakistan..
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Err because Pakistani government does the same in India? Not much to choose between 2 countries, every action of India/Pakistan is a reaction to the other party's.

Come on guys you denied and some deluded Pakistani Brits continue to deny 2008, we cant indulge in a bit of denial ourselves?

You are above that TGK, nope?
 
the Great Khan said:
oh look chuckles has returned...as usual your mentally deficient behaviour is just getting annoying now. The second document is real janaab. The first is an extract from a document that was not in the Mets "record" but was with the witness as part of their defence. Its not fake. Understand? or shall I spell out in simpler terms for a terrorist sympathiser like yourself. The second document is real and verifies the first. The tribune haven't published anything about the second as they haven't caught up with the news yet.

Now please go and ask your right wing terrorist supporting government why they support the killing of innocent school children in Pakistan..
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Look who's burning :)))

If you know how to read, try going through this:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/912471/...of-mqm-leader-tariq-mirs-confession-are-fake/

And check the thread title too. The mods here are not idiots.
 
It always seemed strange that the Met would give up one of their assets. Carry on from London Altaf, that is the message here.
 
the Great Khan said:
oh look chuckles has returned...as usual your mentally deficient behaviour is just getting annoying now. The second document is real janaab. The first is an extract from a document that was not in the Mets "record" but was with the witness as part of their defence. Its not fake. Understand? or shall I spell out in simpler terms for a terrorist sympathiser like yourself. The second document is real and verifies the first. The tribune haven't published anything about the second as they haven't caught up with the news yet.

Now please go and ask your right wing terrorist supporting government why they support the killing of innocent school children in Pakistan..
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some of our masoom perosees from maha bharat and their mentally is just :)) :)))
 
Moh@n said:
Look who's burning :)))

If you know how to read, try going through this:

http://tribune.com.pk/story/912471/...of-mqm-leader-tariq-mirs-confession-are-fake/

And check the thread title too. The mods here are not idiots.
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like I said before your behind the eight ball and so is the tribune. The story has moved on to Mr Merchants confession and he has agreed that he was interviewed and the second transcript is real. The met has not denied the content of the first document just that it wasn't leaked by them. Merchant has confirmed this was leaked from either his team or someone he showed the document to. Either way the content is whats telling. I'm sorry to say but this is turning into the MQM's Salala. Now please follow the whole thread or go away. Do us all a favour. I know its hard to accept being caught red handed but alas one must gather the courage to accept ones failings.
 
nish_mate said:
Err because Pakistani government does the same in India? Not much to choose between 2 countries, every action of India/Pakistan is a reaction to the other party's.

Come on guys you denied and some deluded Pakistani Brits continue to deny 2008, we cant indulge in a bit of denial ourselves?

You are above that TGK, nope?
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I'll never deny any thing when it comes to the harkatain between our countries. But the denial was completely on the Indian side since the beginning of the WOT. Perhaps this will now temper the constant "ohh Pakistan terrorist state hay" nonsense!

as for Mumbai, I haven't seen anything that provides a direct link between the Pakistan govt and the killers. yes there are alleged transcripts and phone intercepts but even these cant really be directly linked to the govt. This MQM thing is more damning as money ahs exchanged hands and there is a money trail hence real hard evidence..by the way not saying we may not have had something to do with Mumbai just saying it was more likely an independent op by some groups...
 
the Great Khan said:
like I said before your behind the eight ball and so is the tribune. The story has moved on to Mr Merchants confession and he has agreed that he was interviewed and the second transcript is real. The met has not denied the content of the first document just that it wasn't leaked by them. Merchant has confirmed this was leaked from either his team or someone he showed the document to. Either way the content is whats telling. I'm sorry to say but this is turning into the MQM's Salala. Now please follow the whole thread or go away. Do us all a favour. I know its hard to accept being caught red handed but alas one must gather the courage to accept ones failings.
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Lol at being caught red handed. These are mere allegations at this point.

http://nation.com.pk/national/01-Jul-2015/mqm-to-challenge-raw-links-allegations

Let's see how this unfolds.
 
Strike Rate said:
some of our masoom perosees from maha bharat and their mentally is just :)) :)))
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But I am indeed a fan of your mentality.You are the beacon of positivity, hope and excitement.....all that for the occurence of an impossive event.You are an inspiration for all.
Your signature too.... as inspirational as it gets.

I am confident that one day you will use these superpowers to inspire your govt. to ban MQM instead of whining about "innocent parossis" 5963 times :)) :))) :yk
 
Captain_Obvious said:
But I am indeed a fan of your mentality.You are the beacon of positivity, hope and excitement.....all that for the occurence of an impossive event.You are an inspiration for all.
Your signature too.... as inspirational as it gets.
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thank your for these 3 lines our perosees at PP are so lovely sometimes :p
 
People to be declared terrorists on basis of Media reports and by anonymous posters.Ok!
 
Perosees regularly coming on a Pakistani forum to complain about Pakistani mentality and whine about it? OK!
 
Captain_Obvious said:
Actually this is the closest thing to truth you have posted in this entirrreeee thread :P

Thanks mere bhai :D
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you missed the keyword "some" in my post :p i have some really good friends from other side of the border i never said all of them are same :D
 
And now Scotland Yard confirm this leaked document of Sarfraz Merchant is a Police document.

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You can clearly see the mention of that Tariq Mir interview and questions and links about indian funding in it. And Shahid Masood just published the first page of it for now and Scotland Yard already confirmed it that it's a police document let's see if he publish further pages of this one.

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so if everything was a lie and nothing was leaked why Scotland Yard now have to issue this warning lol
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scotland Yard warns that leaking of documents could have negative affect on the money laundering investigation, its reckless n dangerous</p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/616293677867102208">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Scotland Yard says that of the 2 MQM related money-laundering leaked papers, 1 document is genuine and one is 'not police document' <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/GEO?src=hash">#GEO</a></p>— Murtaza Ali Shah (@MurtazaGeoNews) <a href="https://twitter.com/MurtazaGeoNews/status/616292907595759616">July 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Very careful use of language for other document by saying "not police document" instead of denying the details in it.
 
I knew 2nd document was legit. But is it true that leaking this document would negatively affect this case?
 
cricketjoshila said:
People to be declared terrorists on basis of Media reports and by anonymous posters.Ok!
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yes something India is very good at doing. The hypocrisy is rising on this forum from our parosee's. They seem to be finding it difficult to handle.lol
 
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] the second document is real so that raises the spectre that we now have a smoking gun either way.
 
the Great Khan said:
yes something India is very good at doing. The hypocrisy is rising on this forum from our parosee's. They seem to be finding it difficult to handle.lol
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Unfortunately for you, Pakistanis and Pakistani organisations have been banned by UN and other countries based on proof given by India.

And FYI Pakistani media or PP posters dont have the authority to declare anyone terrorist.So there is nothing to handle here.
 
Saeed said:
This is why India should be divided into more countries. These guys never lived in peace with each other and the so called India was never united until Britain made them live with each other.
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Thanks but Keep Pakistan intact and leave us at how we are.
 
the Great Khan said:
[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] the second document is real so that raises the spectre that we now have a smoking gun either way.
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Its a page.Not complete document.No context no evidence.Nothing.Let Scotland Yard come out with their results and then we can talk.
 
Basically the tendency in SC Politics,If some Political party is winning or some organization for that sake then bring in the nationalist or religious or Caste card(In India) and do some jingoistic nonsense and bring them down.What is the point of voting if people are not ready to accept the result.I remember BJP whining during 2009,2004 about Minority appeasement and Pak is also going to follow similar rule.
BTW in no way does it prove that MQM did the Peshawar blast or India sponsored that so i never really understood that statement from a poster.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Unfortunately for you, Pakistanis and Pakistani organisations have been banned by UN and other countries based on proof given by India.

And FYI Pakistani media or PP posters dont have the authority to declare anyone terrorist.So there is nothing to handle here.
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I see this is really bothering you. That's ok we will simply stand back and watch the tamasha because this is only the tip of the iceberg. The conclusion is simple, if your paying the MQM your supporting terrorism end of. Your definitions mean nothing. The definitions of the people of Karachi will be all that matters within the Pakistani context. And lets not go into what goes on at the UN. an organisation that cannot bring itself to condemn the murder of children on TV by one of its members. Now move along before you face further embarrassment in this thread...
 
the Great Khan said:
I see this is really bothering you. That's ok we will simply stand back and watch the tamasha because this is only the tip of the iceberg. The conclusion is simple, if your paying the MQM your supporting terrorism end of. Your definitions mean nothing. The definitions of the people of Karachi will be all that matters within the Pakistani context. And lets not go into what goes on at the UN. an organisation that cannot bring itself to condemn the murder of children on TV by one of its members. Now move along before you face further embarrassment in this thread...
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1.First there has to be proof whether India finances MQM.

2.Secondly the opinion of people of Karachi or Pakistan will mean little in the context of the world.Its the global opinion that matters else all this will remain will be unproven false allegations about which no country or organisation will bother.

3.Your personal opinion will matter little on UN.It was and remains the global body and its opinion will be very significant.So you can whine about it.Doesnt matter.

4.Why should i be embarassed?Oh because of false Pakistani media reports and few PP posters are saying that India finances MQM?LOL.
 
What an embarrassing circus this is!

First they publish some document claiming it as authentic proof, which is later rubbished as fake by the London Police.

Then they are like oh did that not work? Let's publish another page and try to pass it off as legit.

You'd tend to think they would give up at some point, but hell no, we are determined to make ourselves the laughing stock before the UN at the world stage.
 
cricketjoshila said:
1.First there has to be proof whether India finances MQM.

2.Secondly the opinion of people of Karachi or Pakistan will mean little in the context of the world.Its the global opinion that matters else all this will remain will be unproven false allegations about which no country or organisation will bother.

3.Your personal opinion will matter little on UN.It was and remains the global body and its opinion will be very significant.So you can whine about it.Doesnt matter.

4.Why should i be embarassed?Oh because of false Pakistani media reports and few PP posters are saying that India finances MQM?LOL.
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joshila bhai document shown in post #211 proves that India finances MQM (the paragraphs enclosed in blue box). According to Geo News, Scotland Yard has accepted that this document is legit. I dont know why you are not accepting it. It makes your #1 point above invalid.

If Pakistan takes this issue to UN then your #2 and #3 points will become invalid too. But I am not sure Nawaz Sharif would want to take this issue to UN. May be he will use this issue as a leverage to get a better business deal from India. Who knows.
 
Joshiley to kanji piyao dher saari mitha daal ker..

Every tried Kaanji, Joshiley? I bet you would love it.
 
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