Pakistan's new ball bowling attack in the ICC World Cup 2019

[Titan24]

Even in CT 17 other than the final we werent able to take many wickets with the new ball. One expects wickets to come early on with Amir and Junaid bowling but it hasnt happened.

Shinwari has given a hope of light in that regards as he has taken wickets every time he has opened the bowling. He was rested today and whole momentum of the Zimbabwean innings at the start was shifted

To become the best bowling attack we need to be getting wickets within 1st 5-7 overs as well.

 

[InziRules]

It's the Junaid effect. Gun barrel straight medium pace bowling.

 

[Titan24]

It's the Junaid effect. Gun barrel straight medium pace bowling.

To be honest Amir isnt taking any wickets with the new ball either for sometime now. Not saying he cant, I believe both him and Junaid can but its more like just a belief at the moment.

Shaheen Shah with all his inexperience and tender age might be more threatening. Even Abbas can do a good job. Amir and Junaid should bowl like experienced bowlers with new ball.

Amir hasnt taken a wicket with new ball this series and even in CT 17 it was only in the final.

 

[Titan24]

At the moment Shinwari is our best new ball bowler

 

[BunnyRabbit]

To be honest Amir isnt taking any wickets with the new ball either for sometime now. Not saying he cant, I believe both him and Junaid can but its more like just a belief at the moment.

Shaheen Shah with all his inexperience and tender age might be more threatening. Even Abbas can do a good job. Amir and Junaid should bowl like experienced bowlers with new ball.

Amir hasnt taken a wicket with new ball this series and even in CT 17 it was only in the final.

Shaheen's new ball skills are the least developed, don't think he's there at the moment to consistently take wickets with the new ball. Shinwari is looking the most threatening these days but let's see how he does against the bigger boys.

 

[Titan24]

Shaheen's new ball skills are the least developed, don't think he's there at the moment to consistently take wickets with the new ball. Shinwari is looking the most threatening these days but let's see how he does against the bigger boys.

Yes agreed I dont want Shaheen with the new ball but he still would be more threatening with his height and swing.

It isnt just the lack of wickets, Amir and Junaid havent looked threatening with the new ball however with an older ball they are a top duo as both have the ability to reverse it but sometimes if you dont take wickets against good sides with new ball, it can haunt you later

 

[New Yorker]

At the moment Shinwari is our best new ball bowler

Rumman was not bad in the CT and in NZ, if I recall. But this is also why I still think there is space for Sadaf in this team.

 

[ads101]

Yes agreed I dont want Shaheen with the new ball but he still would be more threatening with his height and swing.

It isnt just the lack of wickets, Amir and Junaid havent looked threatening with the new ball however with an older ball they are a top duo as both have the ability to reverse it but sometimes if you dont take wickets against good sides with new ball, it can haunt you later

I agree but it's more important to have two new ball bowlers in the side. Important to curb run rate and get wickets up top. Especially given teams are playing their best batsmen in the top 4, you can't let them become settled.

I agree I think Shinwari is the best option. We just need someone who can bowl with the new ball with Amir well. I'd even take him being slightly worse at the death/old ball to compensate.

 

[gazza619]

Shinwari will be taken to the cleaners by Indian top order. Mark my words.
Though Junaid isnt the best we have produced but he is still a better option.

 

[blackanhyellow]

It's the Junaid effect. Gun barrel straight medium pace bowling.

tbf Junaid is more of a wicket taking option than Amir going by recent form.

 

[blackanhyellow]

Shinwari will be taken to the cleaners by Indian top order. Mark my words.
Though Junaid isnt the best we have produced but he is still a better option.

So you settle for using your crystal ball for cricket?

Why not see the next Google, Facebook, or Microsoft and invest in it?

Youll be rich in no time!

 

[Hawkeye]

Amir is the only proper new ball bowler we have.

Junaid is a gun barrel straight medium pace trundler. Shinwari is similar- on most days, he'll only barely seam the roughed ball like Junaid.

Hassan is good, can move off the seam at will and at pace, accuracy. But not a new ball swing bowler.

 

[Savak]

Amir is the only proper new ball bowler we have.

Junaid is a gun barrel straight medium pace trundler. Shinwari is similar- on most days, he'll only barely seam the roughed ball like Junaid.

Hassan is good, can move off the seam at will and at pace, accuracy. But not a new ball swing bowler.

Yet Junaid and Shinwari pick up more wickets than over rated Amir

 

[TeamPak95]

Is Amir at least pitching the ball up, or is he still persisting with the good length on off stump?

 

[New Yorker]

Amir is the only proper new ball bowler we have.

Junaid is a gun barrel straight medium pace trundler. Shinwari is similar- on most days, he'll only barely seam the roughed ball like Junaid.

Hassan is good, can move off the seam at will and at pace, accuracy. But not a new ball swing bowler.

What's proper about not taking wickets?

How does Shinwari do it, if he is so improper?

 

[Justcrazy]

Shinwari has natural talent to swing the ball. He is best bet right now to take wickets with new balls.

 

[gazza619]

So you settle for using your crystal ball for cricket?

Why not see the next Google, Facebook, or Microsoft and invest in it?

Youll be rich in no time!

Yeah i know

Shinwari is a one dimension bowler from what i have seen. He does not have a good slower one either. I would love to be proved wrong though, he does seem like a hard working bloke and deserves success.

 

[Hawkeye]

Yet Junaid and Shinwari pick up more wickets than over rated Amir

What's proper about not taking wickets?

How does Shinwari do it, if he is so improper?

The thread is about new ball bowling.

Which involves being able to swing the ball, pitch good length, use shine to the maximum.

Junaid can't do that. Shinwari too will be being abused in a couple of years.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Shinwari will be taken to the cleaners by Indian top order. Mark my words.
Though Junaid isnt the best we have produced but he is still a better option.

Indian openers take every bowler to cleaners. Be it Pakistani, Aussie, Saffer or Kiwi.

They're simply too good at their job.

That said, I want to see Amir vs Indian top order. Even if it's in the desert

 

[New Yorker]

The thread is about new ball bowling.

Which involves being able to swing the ball, pitch good length, use shine to the maximum.

Junaid can't do that. Shinwari too will be being abused in a couple of years.

the only thing that matters is taking. wickets. so for now let's give the new ball to whomever seems to be good at taking wickets with it, and worry about your expert opinion later. when shinwari starts being abused we can give it to someone else. glad that has been settled.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Failure to find an answer to this question has probably cost Pakistan any chance in the last two games. They have bowled well in the second half of both games against Australia and India, confirming once again that Pakistani pacers only know how to use an old ball.

Why didn't the think tank...erm...think about this?

 

[Hasan123]

None existent. Our bowling is overrated.

 

[Savak]

Lol even the Indians are bossing Pakistan when it comes to new ball bowling

 

[unemployedgm]

Picked 5 fast bowlers and only 1 who could bowl with the new ball.

 

[Markhor]

We are an appalling new ball team. Every team gets off to a flyer against us.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Lol even the Indians are bossing Pakistan when it comes to new ball bowling

Just pitching the ball up and hitting the seam. You wouldn't think it was that difficult to do, but seems to be an alien concept for Pakistan bowlers for some reason. Maybe there is a military regime clause in their contracts to avoid using the seam so it could be an ISI directive?

 

[unemployedgm]

There is a difference between a Genuine New Ball Bowler, a First and Second Change Bowler, and Genuine Death Bowlers. Most teams struggle to find 3 Fast Bowlers for these roles and Pakistan is appalling at it.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

atrocious to say the least in this CWC... Except Amir none of them pitches it up...

hasan ali should be sent home for his short pitch wide bowling , gifted 40 -50 runs in less than 10 balls

 

[Boi]

India’s part time dibbly dobbly bowlers like Shanker have a better seam position than any of our seamers. What is Azhar Mehmood doing?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

atrocious to say the least in this CWC... Except Amir none of them pitches it up...

hasan ali should be sent home for his short pitch wide bowling , gifted 40 -50 runs in less than 10 balls

Even Amir isn't hitting the right areas enough times in the over, too many balls are easy to leave, hence he isn't getting early wickets. But he is still miles better than the rest, although that's not saying much.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

It's literally non existent.

The only ones that do pitch it up are Shinwari and Junaid. Both not there.

 

[Bewal Express]

Skills levels between the Ind and PK bowlers is oceans apart.

 

[Bhaijaan]

I bought the new ball bowling today by Pakistan was genuinely ordinary.

Amir lacked his old pace, was unable to bring it back to right handlers which is his biggest weapon, tried to entice batsmen with bowling slightly off which Rahul kept leaving.

Hasan, less said about him the better. Sure was unlucky with some edges but he never created any chances. Of all the Pakistani bowlers he’s the one who’s looked consistently ordinary and someone you could always target for bf overs.

 

[dhump]

It is not like that after the new ball they are setting the world on fire apart from Aamir everyone is taken to the cleaners.

 

[adil79]

Even indian part timer swinging the ball. Shame on our bowling and bowling coach for being so average and pathetic. Perfect conditions against australia and india and still no work for bowlers to swing it. where is our mr. perfect 10 balls/our bowling coach?

 

[mastersaan10]

What are the bowlers doing?

Forget about who is the coach, as a bowler I know what lengths will make any batsman suffer. It's the beginning of time, top of off stump line will trouble any batsman. But Pakistani bowlers bowl anything but that troubles the stumps. so the issue is now this, what are the bowlers thinking????

 

[Rafa]

Why is Amir not picking wickets in the opening overs?

Like in the first ten overs or so that would put brakes on the scoring rate and the end target would be much lower.

Now he's picking 5fers, 3fers which is good for his personal tally but once the target has gone beyond 300+ it's almost match in pocket of the opponent.

All these wickets have zero impact on the final result of the match.

 

[adil79]

Wasim akram analyzed it today again. See the complete match highlight. Talks about something with run up. I wonder why our bowling coach didn't pick it up. Stupid collection of hacks we have in the team and the management, who are just wasting resources and are passengers rather than contributors.

I blame Azhar mehmood. Under his tenure, all our new ball bowlers have suffered. He didn't improve anyone. Amir needs 3 months from what waseem has seen. And he knows what is the issue with amir regarding his swing. Since azhar hasn't swung himself, so he is clueless. He doesn't even know if Amir's wrist are ok or not.

Need to sack bowling coach, sarfraz & grant flower as soon as possible. otherwise, this zalalat will follow in next icc world cup.

 

[PennOne]

same reason Starc is not picking up wickets in opening spell yet is still not asked this question.

 

[hashimafzal]

Needs someone to support from the other end. Very easy to play out a bowler when you know the next guy will give you 2/3 boundary balls in his over.

Indian batsmen didn't even attempt to play shots in Amirs opening spell.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Opposition batsmen are playing him smartly and not taking risks against Amir. They know Amir is the only threat, he needs a bowling partner. Hassan ali was releasing all the pressure Amir created today . Usman Shenwari should come in and replace Hassan Ali

 

[Tiger96]

same reason Starc is not picking up wickets in opening spell yet is still not asked this question.

Starc got Gayle dismissed early. He doesn't wait till the slog overs to pick cheap wickets.

 

[adil79]

Starc got Gayle dismissed early. He doesn't wait till the slog overs to pick cheap wickets.

But what about "insert another excuse"

 

[jnaveen1980]

Amir is at a point where he relies on making mistake. Still he is like 10 times better than every other Pakistan bowler. Wahab has a dreadful career record against India. Apart from that one fifer in world cup 2011 he hasn't done much.

 

[mohnip]

Because amir is very honest to pakistani nation.
U have sarfaraz, malik, imad in the team.
Some works are left for those legends also.
Believe me , sarafarz won't be able to find a place in bangladeshi team also..
Forget about the captaincy.

 

[ask_analyse_act]

Even indian part timer swinging the ball. Shame on our bowling and bowling coach for being so average and pathetic. Perfect conditions against australia and india and still no work for bowlers to swing it. where is our mr. perfect 10 balls/our bowling coach?

Pace bowling in pak is dead....get a life

 

[Amoeba]

Azhar needs to get the sack. For someone who played county cricket he is utterly clueless about the lines and lengths to bowl in England. All he can do is listen to TMS on his earpiece.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Have Pakistani bowlers been the worst with the new ball in this World Cup?

They have been terrible in the first PP. Even the likes of Mashrafe , saifuddin and Vijay Shankar have outbowled the likes of Hasan and Shaheen.

What exactly is the issue? Is it the lack of an impeccable line/length , movement, pace , variations? Discuss.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

Always bowling too short and giving width, need to bowl fuller and target stumps.

 

[Abid Z]

Maintaining good line and length is just elementary. Failure to hit a decent line and length is making us waste the new ball and allowing the opposition to run away. Hasan and wahab are both old ball bowlers. We’ve made the wrong selection. We need to drop hasan probably and get a decent new ball bowler in the squad. (Or open with a spinner)

 

[last_knight]

Courtesy the captain. When one bowler was curtailing RR, the bowler from other end was leaking runs. Captain smart didn't apply the pressure from both ends.

When Amir applies pressure and Hasan Ali releases it, Captain fails to replace Hasan.
In Australia game, around 30 overs mark, Shaheen was bowling good but other end was leaking runs.
In India game, Amir was good in first 10 but he had Hasan on other end. Around 27-28 overs mark, Imad bowled well from one end but other end was leaking runs. Sarfaraz is a very soft captain in a ruthless era.