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Well as of now Azhar and Fakhar seems to be our opening pair in ODIs but what do you think of T20 and Test matches.

For T20 - For sure Azhar is not suitable then who should be opening with Fakhar. Ahmad Shahzad - Big No from Me !

For Tests i think Azhar Ali should bat at No3 after MisYou - A.Shahzad can be considered as one of the opener to gain his form and confidence. Who should be other. Hafeez? No. I think maybe Sami Aslam should be developed,

Suggestions appreciated.
 
Tests:

Sami Aslam & Imam-ul-Haq and obviously Azhar will obviously be in any test squad so can replace one if bad form in the 11

ODIs:
Azhar Ali with Fakhar Zaman with Sahibzada Farhan in the squad too


T20s:

Zaman and Sahibzada Farhan

I'm just assuming Sharjeel won't be cleared despite the fact the case against him seems to be weak because he is still suspended as of no but if he does get cleared, he should be in the squad for all 3 formats if he proves himself
 
ODIs

Sharjeel and Fakhar (if Sharjeel is guilty then Shahibzada :azhar2in place of him)

T20s

Sharjeel and Fakhar

Tests

Azhar and ?
 
Those who want to dislodge azhar from the opening spot in tests don't know what they're talking about
 
T20s: Fakhar and Babar
ODIs: Fakhar and Babar
tests: Sami Aslam and Azhar

Seeing the CT and WI series has convinced me Babar should probably go up the order. More comfortable laying the foundations than hitting/accelerating at the end, and usually doesn't struggle to play at a good SR from the word go, finds the gaps in the field pretty well. Allows us to fit in Haris at 3, who is also a top order player IMO. Fakhar, Babar, Haris and Sarfraz would make a formidable top 4 IMO.
 
T20s: Fakhar and Babar
ODIs: Fakhar and Babar
tests: Sami Aslam and Azhar

Seeing the CT and WI series has convinced me Babar should probably go up the order. More comfortable laying the foundations than hitting/accelerating at the end, and usually doesn't struggle to play at a good SR from the word go, finds the gaps in the field pretty well. Allows us to fit in Haris at 3, who is also a top order player IMO. Fakhar, Babar, Haris and Sarfraz would make a formidable top 4 IMO.

This is also a good idea. A few months ago I also wanted Babar to open but if Sharjeel comes back then he has to open with Fakhar
 
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For tests: sharjeel + Azhar

Yes I'd like that. Sharjeel is a solid batsman against pace and looked good in his last test. We also need that agression in our test team and he would make a good partner with azhar
 
This is also a good idea. A few months ago I also wanted Babar to open but if Sharjeel comes back then he has to open with Fakhar

Agree he should be in the team. But if Sharjeel came back and was in form but not sure he should open with Fakhar. I think the importance of having right handed and left handed pairs really stood out for me this series, I didn't think too much of it in the past, but it really disrupts the bowlers rhythm (as he bowls a little different for right and left), maximising scoring opportunities. If Sharjeel comes back, might be tempted to open still with Babar. And for Fakhar to come down at 3 or 4. Fakhar seems a better player of spin anyway, I don't think he'd struggle going down the order a bit.

One thing to note, I would like preferably Sharjeel is fit. All our players are fit now in our current team, and I'd like to continue that trend, I wouldn't like Sharjeel bringing us down. His fitness has been a problem, in the fielder he's a poorer fielder for it. And worse, feel like he's thrown his wicket/got out when he got tired in the past.
 
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Azhar should not be dislodged from the opening spot in tests,we've finally got a stable opener after years.

Sami should be his partner in tests.
 
Tests: Sami Aslam, Azhar Ali
ODIs: Fakhar Zaman, Azhar/Babar
T20s: Fakhar, Sahibzada Farhan
 
Tests : Azhar, Sami Aslam, Sharjeel.
ODIs : Fakhar , Sharjeel
T20s : Fakhar, Sharjeel

These would be my choices too...Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam are a must in the test team.

If Sharjeel is not cleared then I would bring in Sahibzada into the ODI and T20 fold, definitely to open in T20's.
 
Azhar and Sami in tests
Sharjeel and Fakhar in ODIs and T20s

If Sharjeel is banned, then open with Babar.
 
Tests: Azhar and Fakhar
ODIs: Azhar and Fakhar
T20Is: Fakhar and Babar

Once Farhan is ready, he can open with Fakhar in LOIs.
 
In T20.
Fakhar Zaman
Sarfraz Ahmad

In ODI.
Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali

In Test.
Azhar Ali
Umar Amin
 
We just had two successive 100+ run partnerships against two of the best ODI sides and people want to disrupt the opening pair...

ODIs: Azhar and Fakhar
Tests: Azhar and Sami
T20Is: Sharjeel and Fakhar
 
Tests: Sami and Fakhar. Azhar for me comes in No.3 with Babar at No.4
ODI & T20I: Fakhar and Sharjeel/Sahibzada. To aggressive openers to get the team off to a good start
 
For LO, I see top 3 as opening bunch. These days, their role is identical - if an early wicket goes down, No. 3 can't bat like Dravid any more.

The top 4 I would like to see-
With SK -
Test : Azhar, Sami, Babar
ODI : SK, Babar, Fakhar, Amin
T20: SK, Babar, Fakhar, Malik

Without SK -
Test : Azhar, Sami, Babar
ODI: Babar, Fakhar, Amin, Sarfraz
T20: Babar, Fakhar, Amin, Malik
 
Test: Sami and Azhar

ODIs: Farhan and Fakhar

T20s: Farhan and Fakhar
 
Great to see the NCA taking the initiative and inducting the likes of Sami Aslam, Fakhar Zaman, Imam Ul Haq and Sahibzada Farhan into a 10-week High Performance Camp. Promising signs.
 
sahibzada farhan to partner with fakhar in t20 and odi.
test is (unkown) and sami aslam, and azhar moves one-down
 
Test - Azhar, Shahzad and Sharjeel

ODI - Sharjeel, Fakhar and Azhar

T20 - Sharjeel, Fakhar and Sahibzada
 
Left field but what about Fakhar in tests? Could be a longshot, but has a decent first class record.

I really hope they do not persist with Shan Masood. Aslam, Shehzad, Fakhar should all be ahead of him.
 
Tests: Azhar Ali & Salman Butt
ODIs: Shaheen Shah Afridi & Fakhar Zaman
T20s: Sahibzada Farhan & Bismillah Khan
 
Fakhar Zaman has a good first class record and so theres no need to look anywhere else. Imagine this test team:

Azhar Ali
Fakhar Zaman
Baber Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Usman Salahuddin
Sarfraz Ahmed
Mohammed Amir
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali
Junaid Khan

:D Dream team!
 
Fakhar Zaman has a good first class record and so theres no need to look anywhere else. Imagine this test team:

Azhar Ali
Fakhar Zaman
Baber Azam
Haris Sohail
Asad Shafiq
Usman Salahuddin
Sarfraz Ahmed
Mohammed Amir
Yasir Shah
Hasan Ali
Junaid Khan

:D Dream team!

Asad Shafiq and Harris Sohail ?? No thanks
 
Asad Shafiq and Harris Sohail ?? No thanks

This is test cricket I am talking about. Not odi cricket. Both should be indispensable from the team, provided Harris stays fit.
 
This is test cricket I am talking about. Not odi cricket. Both should be indispensable from the team, provided Harris stays fit.

I would rather have Mohammed Rizwan and inam ul Haq and mohammed Abbas instead of Junaid
 
My Text XI

Azhar Ali
Salman Butt
Babar Azam
Imam ul Haq
Mohammed Rizwan
Sarfraz Ahmed
Usman Salahuddin
Mohammed Aamer
Mohammed Abbas
Hasan Ali
Yasir Shah
 
Left field but what about Fakhar in tests? Could be a longshot, but has a decent first class record.

I really hope they do not persist with Shan Masood. Aslam, Shehzad, Fakhar should all be ahead of him.

Yea that's what I said. I would have Fakhar over Shehzad all day every day.
 
They should seriously consider calling back Salman Butt... SERIOUSLY... to replace the Shehzad/Sharjeel/Sami Aslam slot.... Sami and Ahmed aren't good for any form of cricket PERIOD.. while Sharjeel has no hope of returning and is unfit most likely as of now
 
It will do Pakistan a world of good if Sharjeel somehow comes out clean.
Tests:Azhar and Sharjeel
ODIs:Fakhar and Sharjeel (Hafeez will start failing again and we can get rid of him and Azhar can play at 3)
T20s:Fakhar and Sharjeel
 
It will do Pakistan a world of good if Sharjeel somehow comes out clean.
Tests:Azhar and Sharjeel
ODIs:Fakhar and Sharjeel (Hafeez will start failing again and we can get rid of him and Azhar can play at 3)
T20s:Fakhar and Sharjeel

I've said this a lot of times... but it's better to open Azhar and Fakhar together in ODIs... we've seen in the past few games that they're a really solid combo and can build strong partnerships... 100+ ones... It's ideal to have a right/left combo, Test/t20 style batsman at the crease... Sharjeel can come at #3, he can be given the license to attack the bowlers on the really strong platform built by the openers...
 
Test: Azhar ali/ Salman butt/ Ahmed shezad/Sami aslam
Odi: Azhar ali/ Fakhar Zaman / umar amin/ Farhan shahzada
T20: Fakhar zaman/babar azam/ umar amin/ Farhan shahzada
 
It will do Pakistan a world of good if Sharjeel somehow comes out clean.
Tests:Azhar and Sharjeel
ODIs:Fakhar and Sharjeel (Hafeez will start failing again and we can get rid of him and Azhar can play at 3)
T20s:Fakhar and Sharjeel

So you want to dislodge Babar from 3 and play azhar. Tell me. What exactly will azhar provide at 3? I don't understand some people. The truth is that azhar provides nothing in ODIs. Should swap him straight for Sharjeel or any aggressive opener
 
In ODI's If Sharjeel comes back then i would prefer
1. Sharjeel
2. Azhar
3. Babar
4. Fakhar

Fakhar can be a real asset in the middle overs.
 
So you want to dislodge Babar from 3 and play azhar. Tell me. What exactly will azhar provide at 3? I don't understand some people. The truth is that azhar provides nothing in ODIs. Should swap him straight for Sharjeel or any aggressive opener

1. Azhar
2. Fakhar
3. Sharjeel
4. Babar
 
I would definitely like to see Sami in the mix for both tests and ODIs. Still feel he is the most versatile amongst all the names mentioned in this thread.
 
I would go for azhar and Sami
With the lineup looking like this
Azhar
Sami
Shafiq
Babar
Haris/hafeez
Fawad/salahudin
Sarfraz
Yessir
Abbas
Amir
Hassan Ali
 
Sharjeel should hopefully come back.

Test Top 3: Azhar, Sami, Babar
ODI Top 3: Sharjeel, Fakhar, Babar
T20I Top 3: Sharjeel, Farhan, Fakhar (Babar is not that kind of a T20 batsman who can take the bowlers on)
 
if sharjeel is cleared he should open with zaman in both odis and t20

i would also play sharjeel/zaman at #6 in tests
 
ODI: Fakhar, Sharjeel
T20I: Fakhar, Sharjeel
Tests: Azhar, Sami Aslam

Hopefully the board gets rid of Shehzad, Shan Masood, Akmals and keeps Salman Butt as far away from the side as possible.
 
Tests- Shehzad & Azhar (although I'm sure Zaman will be selected for the SL series. I hope Sami gets another shot too)

ODI- Zaman & Azhar (I hope they try out another young opener in place of Azhar in the SL series, but that seems unlikely)

T20- I will take anyone with Azhar, just hope there is no more Shehzad, and Azhar doesn't get a chance here. You never know with Pakistani selectors

If Sharjeel is cleared, that'll make things very interesting
 
After misbah and younis azhar shall bat at no.3 in tests. Sami aslam with fakhar zaman then.
In odis azhar and fakhar no doubt.
In t20s fakhar zaman and babar azam.
And yes if sharjeel is cleared than it will be an interesting case.
 
So you want to dislodge Babar from 3 and play azhar. Tell me. What exactly will azhar provide at 3? I don't understand some people. The truth is that azhar provides nothing in ODIs. Should swap him straight for Sharjeel or any aggressive opener

Won't mind him playing at 4 either. Was never a fan of Azhar in ODIs but with his current form and his good show with the bat in the CT we can't drop him right now. Whatever he does, will be better than Hafeez at 4
 
I've said this a lot of times... but it's better to open Azhar and Fakhar together in ODIs... we've seen in the past few games that they're a really solid combo and can build strong partnerships... 100+ ones... It's ideal to have a right/left combo, Test/t20 style batsman at the crease... Sharjeel can come at #3, he can be given the license to attack the bowlers on the really strong platform built by the openers...

Might be a good option
 
Tests - Azhar Ali and Sami Aslam

ODIs - Sharjeel Khan and Azhar Ali (Fakhar bats at 4)

T20s - Sharjeel Khan and Fakhar Zaman
 
if Sharjeel comes back I would open his in all formats. I think he enough natural ability to get over his technical failings in tests. Plus we have to remember that test pitches are getting incredibily flat, and on green semers none of our other batsmen stand much of a chance perhaps Sami ( and off course Azhar).

If sharjeel does get a lengthy ban than Farhan/Fahkar for odis and t20s, Sami and Azhar for tests, though Sami does need to be less timid, he has plenty of strokes

In t20s id also put a special mention in for Naved Malik
 
Well as of now Azhar and Fakhar seems to be our opening pair in ODIs but what do you think of T20 and Test matches.

For T20 - For sure Azhar is not suitable then who should be opening with Fakhar. Ahmad Shahzad - Big No from Me !

For Tests i think Azhar Ali should bat at No3 after MisYou - A.Shahzad can be considered as one of the opener to gain his form and confidence. Who should be other. Hafeez? No. I think maybe Sami Aslam should be developed,

Suggestions appreciated.

bhai you gain form in domestic crixket not when u open for ur international team. Also Sami aslam is 200 percent better then shehzad and does not need any devwlopment. he has already performed well in test cricket.
 
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I would like put it this way.I think you need to consider a No.3 batsman just as important as openers,if not more.I think I'll have to go with [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]'s idea about having a left right combo at top and Babar being better against pacers than spinners and Fakhar being better against spinners.

So my first 3 are going to be:

Considering Sharjeel comes back:
Tests:Sami Aslam,Azhar Ali,Babar
ODIs:Sharjeel,Babar,Fakhar
T20s:Sharjeel,Babar,Fakhar

Without Sharjeel:
Tests:Sami Aslam,Azhar,Babar
ODIs:Fakhar,Babar,Haris/Umar Amin
T20s:Fakhar,Babar,Saif Badar/Amin
 
Yes I know some people are not gonna like it but if Sharjeel is not cleared I would like to give Umar Akmal another go but this time as opener and give him license to go from ball one.

Type of game he has, he is good against pace and can easily clear the in field in the first 10 overs. It might turn out to be game changer for him like what the opening position did for Rohit Sharma.
 
Note: The above recommendation is for T20s only as we have a solid pair of Azhar and Fakhar in the ODIs.
 
Sami and Azhar opening in tests is a borefest. Need someone more dynamic to partner Azhar.
 
Tests

Sami Aslam
Azhar Ali

ODI's

Fakhar Zaman
Azhar Ali

T20's

Fakhar Zaman
Sahibzada Farhan
 
I would like put it this way.I think you need to consider a No.3 batsman just as important as openers,if not more.I think I'll have to go with [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]'s idea about having a left right combo at top and Babar being better against pacers than spinners and Fakhar being better against spinners.

So my first 3 are going to be:

Considering Sharjeel comes back:
Tests:Sami Aslam,Azhar Ali,Babar
ODIs:Sharjeel,Babar,Fakhar
T20s:Sharjeel,Babar,Fakhar

Without Sharjeel:
Tests:Sami Aslam,Azhar,Babar
ODIs:Fakhar,Babar,Haris/Umar Amin
T20s:Fakhar,Babar,Saif Badar/Amin


In PAK team, only Babar has the quality to play long, long innings & do a proper pacing; which none of the other openers including SK or Fakhar has. Previously, MoHa had it to an extent in Asia, while Azhar & Shehzaz never can accelerate with time on wicket. SK & KAkmal are opposite - they don't have the technique (& stamina) to bat for 35+ overs, rather they are effective with short bust - 23 ball 35 (Or say average of 35 @ 120 SR in a 7 match series) is the best output for them. Fakhar is still new, in PSL as well he didn't last longer after Power Play - but his List A Stats of 50/90 tells that, he can be tried at 3 for better combination.

I always like to pick inputs from history & try to fit that into strategy. More or less, what I have seen is historically, best/most successful teams had the best 2nd wicket partnership - that's only possible if one of your top 2 most complete batsmen bat at 3 & other one opens. Viv-Grineedge/Haynes, Majid/Sadiq-Zaheer, Marsh/Boon-Jones, Tendulkar/Sehwag-Ganguly, Smith/Gibbs-Kallis, Haynes/Simmons-Lara, Mark/Gilly-Ponting, Hayden/Gilly-Ponting, Sanath/Kalu-Hary, Dilshan/Sanath-Sanga, Astle/dot-Fleming, Gambhir/Tendulkar - Sehwag, Warner/Finch-Smith, Sharma/Dhawan-Kohli .......... Only PAK/PCB played Anwar/dot-dot-MoYo-Inzi ...... And latest Ahmed/Azhar-Babar-MoHa ........ Even AB's spot of 4 is one slot too low - ideally it should have been Kok/Amla-AB, which would have won SAF more meaningful matches. In history of PAK cricket after Imran, probably those few years PAK's ODI bating was most dominant when it was like Anwar/Sohail-Inzi; then they pushed Inzi down to promote a wood-chopper at 3.

Ideally, SK & Babar should open with SK being given free license. He should never bother for average, rather should look for 2X + Y = 175+ sort of stats. Here, X is batting average & Y is strike rate - that's 25/125 = 175; 30/120 = 180, 20/140 = 180, 50/100 = 200. For an aggressive opener, 25/130 is a fantastic stats, if his partner can manage 45+/85+. Babar should play for milestones (but, obviously not Tendulkar way) till 35th over, for a stats like 55/90 (that's 200 which is the stats of the best in contemporary cricket - AB, Kohli, Smith, Root. Viv & Zaheer's sum was 185 & 180, when outstanding would have been 160 (40/80) - that's why those 2 are always my top 2 ODI batsmen - ever) while Fakhar has to play most critical role - tempo of his game'll be adoptive to bat for different situations like 10/1, 100/1 or 200/1. At present, Azhar has only one gear, while MoHa's teeth on the gear wheels has wired out. No. 3 is the most dynamic position, whose main KPI is adoption to the situation - Babar was the best for that, but Fakhar can manage as well & he gives better combination at 3 with left-right-left-right (& left, if Haris/Amin bats at 5) batting order (& his spin play) - that order is effectively worth extra 5-10% runs, for the constant change of bowling line & extras (& captain being stressed to set fielding to avoid slow over-rate ban).

PAK'll need their bowlers to bail out even against AFG or WI in most times, if the top 5 has Fakhar and all 4 of Azhar, Babar, MoHa & Sarfraz - in which ever order.
 
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Pakistan's ODI openers after the 2019 World Cup

Fakhar Zaman had a horrible time in England.

There is neither method nor mayhem in his game.

On the other hand, Ahsan Ali is a sweet timer of the cricket ball who also has the ability to play big shots.
 
Yes let’s get another unfit, shoddy fielder in to the side. :facepalm:
 
Who are options available ? Fakhar has been horrible

Abid Ali ?

Can Rizwan open?
 
Abid Ali should be the first option.

Haider Ali is making headlines with his U-19 performances. he can be considered in a years time
 
YES!

Ahsan ali
Shajeel khan
Babar
Haris
Fakhar
Imad
New wicketkeeper
A newbleg spinner
Haris rauf
Amir
Shaheen
 
I think Fakhar is done, he hasn't improved his game at all. Abid Ali seems a much more complete player and deserves a chance in the team. Or we might as well get Babar to open.
 
I wouldn’t be too sure about Imam. There are times when he looks average. Good innings today nonetheless.
 
Shaan Masood or Abid Ali as ODI opener

irrespective of general comments (everyone has their point of view so they r welcome to have it ) but Imam is one for the future...but Fakhar must go atleast for a short time untill he gets hi mojo

Questions is who should replace him

Abid Ali or Shaan Masood...

My preference is Shaan.. he has improved MASSIVELY and is very stable and compact player and extremly confident...

thoughts
 
Shan Masood deserves a go on merit.

Abid Ali can be a back up opener.
 
Uhhhhh how about no! Fakhar might not have a lot of runs in this World Cup but nobody with any sense could seriously be suggesting that Abid Ali or Shan Masood should replace him. Fakhar has done enough to remain Pakistan's first choice for a long time to come.

Shan on the other hand is player of limited ability, demonstrated by his long term record, and Abid Ali's back leg is more suited to the tail than a top order batsman.

The ridiculousness of this thread is that had Imam not scored a century yesterday and had that been Fakhar, this exact thread would have been started about Imam. Such is the impatience of Pakistani fans.
 
Uhhhhh how about no! Fakhar might not have a lot of runs in this World Cup but nobody with any sense could seriously be suggesting that Abid Ali or Shan Masood should replace him. Fakhar has done enough to remain Pakistan's first choice for a long time to come.

Shan on the other hand is player of limited ability, demonstrated by his long term record, and Abid Ali's back leg is more suited to the tail than a top order batsman.

The ridiculousness of this thread is that had Imam not scored a century yesterday and had that been Fakhar, this exact thread would have been started about Imam. Such is the impatience of Pakistani fans.

Fakhar needs to go work on his game.

Shan deserves a go on merit.

Imam is a young and even if he didn't score a 100 yesterday he's still one for the future.
 
Uhhhhh how about no! Fakhar might not have a lot of runs in this World Cup but nobody with any sense could seriously be suggesting that Abid Ali or Shan Masood should replace him. Fakhar has done enough to remain Pakistan's first choice for a long time to come.

Shan on the other hand is player of limited ability, demonstrated by his long term record, and Abid Ali's back leg is more suited to the tail than a top order batsman.

The ridiculousness of this thread is that had Imam not scored a century yesterday and had that been Fakhar, this exact thread would have been started about Imam. Such is the impatience of Pakistani fans.

u r actually joking are u? man of the series in SA, had decentish WC with 3 bad games... puts prize on his wicket and gave good starts .. lol and fakhar is the one being the solid one... hahahahah
 
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