Pakistan's pace factory's revival after almost a decade

[Titan24]

This is after a long time that Pak has got 5-6 pacers with such potential. Since 2007 Pak didnt produce a lot of great prospects except Asif and Amir. Unfortunately Amir and Asif cut short their career due to their own faults, while Amir is back but nothing can undo the damage those 5 years of no training did to his bowling muscles and forcing him to retire from tests. Junaid looked decent at the start but then knee injury and problems effected him a lot.

At this point of time we have:

Shaheen Shah Afridi (19)
Naseem Shah (16)
Muhammad Musa (18)
Mohammad Hasnain (19)
Akif Javed (19)
Haris Rauf (24)
Sameen Gul (20)

With the legacy of Sarfaraz Nawaz, Fazal Mehmood, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younus, Shoaib Akhtar, it took long time for Pakistan but atleast we have few real prospects at our hand. The biggest gap in this pace factory was from 2010-2016 with almost nothing after Asif and Amir.

Yes we have had Umar Gul, Mohammad Sami, Shabir Ahmed, Abul Rauf, Wahab Riaz and few other decent bowlers in between but they werent of the class associated with Pakistani bowlers.

Even if couple of the bowlers I have mentioned turn out to be of international class, it can do world of good for Pakistan in the next decade or two as for the decades of 80s and 90s only Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were enough to cover the whole period.

 

[shamaan]

I fink shaheen is the best out of the lot atm followed by

Naseem shah
Musa
Sameen gull


In odi and t20 defo
Shaheen
Rauf
Husnain

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I wholly agreed, it's like after 2003 we have a bunch of good fast bowlers, BTW I really rated Shabbir Ahmed and Muhammad Sami back in the day.

 

[Titan24]

I fink shaheen is the best out of the lot atm followed by

Naseem shah
Musa
Sameen gull


In odi and t20 defo
Shaheen
Rauf
Husnain

Shaheen is obviously looking better at the moment because he has already got decent international experience under their belt. Naseem and co will alsoimprove hopefully once they start playing at international level

Rauf is older than the rest, so he needs to put his claim for selection forwards as soon as possible and that can only happen with consistent performances. He has some impressive skills but limited time in comparison to the other pacers who are in their teens or early 20s.

 

[Titan24]

I wholly agreed, it's like after 2003 we have a bunch of good fast bowlers, BTW I really rated Shabbir Ahmed and Muhammad Sami back in the day.

Shabir was really impressive, he was tall, lanky and used to seam the ball. I still remember few of his performances in tests as well as in ODIs vs India. His action as well as injury problems cut down his career, his overall fitness let him down which he should have worked hard towards.

Sami on the other hand struggled to find consistency in his lines and lengths throughout. Yes when a bowler with such a pace is young bit of waywardness is expected but Sami couldnt find his feet even after is first few years.

 

[Bewal Express]

Ignore the ages because most will be at least 2 years older. But there is no doubt they are youngish, between 20-22.

 

[Saj]

The signs are promising, but the reality is that what these lads do in international cricket will be crucial.

Of late too many Pakistani pacers have shwn promise but failed to deliver on a regular basis.

 

[azimiqbal]

I think only one of musa or Naseem will play in a test.

Abbas
Shaheen
Yasir
?????

I think personally musa has the right length to be successful against the Aussies

 

[Energy]

Need only one of them to step up. Not easy to lead no matter how talented you are.

 

[gazza619]

A very bumpable thread. Only Shaheen has proved himself to some extent but is still very inconsistent.

Hasnain has not put the world on fire either.

The rest of the guys are untried untested and dont really hit 150 kph, or do they?

 

[Titan24]

I think only one of musa or Naseem will play in a test.

Abbas
Shaheen
Yasir
?????

I think personally musa has the right length to be successful against the Aussies

Musa hits the pitch hard which can be useful in Australia however, I feel that Naseem will start alongside Abbas and Shaheen in the first test.

 

[Titan24]

A very bumpable thread. Only Shaheen has proved himself to some extent but is still very inconsistent.

Hasnain has not put the world on fire either.

The rest of the guys are untried untested and dont really hit 150 kph, or do they?

I genuinely believe this and that is why this thread. While they are not proven commodities but I dont remember any bowler after Mohammad Amir to be rated as few of these guys are. 3-5 teenage and early 20s bowlers with such potential is a rarity which wasnt there anytime in last 15 years.

Naseem hits 150 kph, Mudassar Nazar said that early this year rather he said he is the fastest of the young lot. I wont be surprised if he hits 150 in Aus as well, all depends upon his rythm and fitness as it wasnt too long ago he was struggling with stress fracture. Musa also takes it upto high 140s, while Shaheen touched 147 kph vs Nz in UAE. Thing to see would be that for how long can they maintain the intensity.

 

[Bewal Express]

The signs are promising, but the reality is that what these lads do in international cricket will be crucial.

Of late too many Pakistani pacers have shwn promise but failed to deliver on a regular basis.

Lack of general intelligence and cricketing intelligence in particular along with the failure to keep their feet on the ground has always been a problem.

 

[Bewal Express]

I genuinely believe this and that is why this thread. While they are not proven commodities but I dont remember any bowler after Mohammad Amir to be rated as few of these guys are. 3-5 teenage and early 20s bowlers with such potential is a rarity which wasnt there anytime in last 15 years.

Naseem hits 150 kph, Mudassar Nazar said that early this year rather he said he is the fastest of the young lot. I wont be surprised if he hits 150 in Aus as well, all depends upon his rythm and fitness as it wasnt too long ago he was struggling with stress fracture. Musa also takes it upto high 140s, while Shaheen touched 147 kph vs Nz in UAE. Thing to see would be that for how long can they maintain the intensity.

Hitting 150, 160 or 170 makes no difference if you don't have the intelligence to use it.

 

[Hawkeye]

Misbah and Waqar are the right people to revive our cricket, particularly pace bowling.

Soon after taking over, Misbah identified that we're losing in Aus because of our poor bowling.

The current new lot looks okay, but still there's nobody out there yet who could be way above the rest. And make headlines all over the world.

This can happen in a few years. I'm sure Misbah and Waqar duo can either make one of the current bowlers world class or unearth a new one.

 

[Markhor]

Let's see what their actual output is in international cricket. The stepup is huge from domestic and U19 level, and away to Australia couldn't be a more difficult first assignment.

 

[Hawkeye]

Let's see what their actual output is in international cricket. The stepup is huge from domestic and U19 level, and away to Australia couldn't be a more difficult first assignment.

Don't expect anything extraordinary. At least not so soon.

 

[topspin]

The only thing that has revived in Pakistan cricket is Misbah's involvement in it. .

 

[Titan24]

Hitting 150, 160 or 170 makes no difference if you don't have the intelligence to use it.

I only refereed to the pace when the poster was asking if they can hit 150.

 

[Titan24]

Let's see what their actual output is in international cricket. The stepup is huge from domestic and U19 level, and away to Australia couldn't be a more difficult first assignment.

I think its still a better assignment than bowling in dead UAE wickets, atleast they will be able to extract something if they bowl well.

 

[Saj]

Had a little chat with Naseem.

I'm no bowling coach but I said to him not to overdo the short-pitched stuff in Australia, as some of our bowlers have in the past.

He bowls a good bouncer but mixing up the length will be his biggest asset in Australia.

 

[Titan24]

Had a little chat with Naseem.

I'm no bowling coach but I said to him not to overdo the short-pitched stuff in Australia, as some of our bowlers have in the past.

He bowls a good bouncer but mixing up the length will be his biggest asset in Australia.

Great advice as a lot of bowlers get carried away with the pace and bounce in the pitches.

 

[Bewal Express]

Had a little chat with Naseem.

I'm no bowling coach but I said to him not to overdo the short-pitched stuff in Australia, as some of our bowlers have in the past.

He bowls a good bouncer but mixing up the length will be his biggest asset in Australia.

Does he move the ball from a good length, if he doesn't, he better learn quickly and if he does, he will have a future at this level.

 

[gazza619]

Hitting 150, 160 or 170 makes no difference if you don't have the intelligence to use it.

Give me a 160 kph bowler with no intelligence i will take it

 

[Cricketrenew]

Are any of them potentially good and fast as Wasim, Waqar or Shoaib?
Or is it another false dawn... people have hyped other player before only Amir is good enough.

 

[Titan24]

Are any of them potentially good and fast as Wasim, Waqar or Shoaib?
Or is it another false dawn... people have hyped other player before only Amir is good enough.

Shaheen, Naseem, Musa Hasnain are not being hyped here only rather they are rated by the coaches in national academy too. The last one which was rated to that extent by the local experts and coaches was Amir. How well they will progress is something only time can tell.

Obviously none of them is as fast as Shoaib at the moment but Naseem and Hasnain can go into 150s while Shaheen and Musa into high 140s which is really good considering they are in their teens or early 20s. Lines, lengths and intensity will improve with time.

Skill wise Shaheen, Naseem, Sameen, Rauf and Akif can move the new ball though still learning the control while Musa can do a bit and Hasnain is working on it. In terms of reverse swing they all can naturally do that like most Pak pacers but obviously the control will come with time.

 

[Bewal Express]

Give me a 160 kph bowler with no intelligence i will take it

Mohammed Sami clocked 160( give or take)? How did he get on?

 

[unemployedgm]

Pakistan has always produced raw material. Turning that into something polished has been a problem.

Revival seems excessive.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Ever since Mudasser Nazar is back to the NCA things are looking better for Pakistan.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shaheen, Naseem, Musa Hasnain are not being hyped here only rather they are rated by the coaches in national academy too. The last one which was rated to that extent by the local experts and coaches was Amir.

Brother Titan, no, they aren't as hyped or gifted as Amir was.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This is after a long time that Pak has got 5-6 pacers with such potential. Since 2007 Pak didnt produce a lot of great prospects except Asif and Amir. Unfortunately Amir and Asif cut short their career due to their own faults, while Amir is back but nothing can undo the damage those 5 years of no training did to his bowling muscles and forcing him to retire from tests. Junaid looked decent at the start but then knee injury and problems effected him a lot.

At this point of time we have:

Shaheen Shah Afridi (19)
Naseem Shah (16)
Muhammad Musa (18)
Mohammad Hasnain (19)
Akif Javed (19)
Haris Rauf (24)
Sameen Gul (20)

With the legacy of Sarfaraz Nawaz, Fazal Mehmood, Imran Khan, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younus, Shoaib Akhtar, it took long time for Pakistan but atleast we have few real prospects at our hand. The biggest gap in this pace factory was from 2010-2016 with almost nothing after Asif and Amir.

Yes we have had Umar Gul, Mohammad Sami, Shabir Ahmed, Abul Rauf, Wahab Riaz and few other decent bowlers in between but they werent of the class associated with Pakistani bowlers.

Even if couple of the bowlers I have mentioned turn out to be of international class, it can do world of good for Pakistan in the next decade or two as for the decades of 80s and 90s only Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib were enough to cover the whole period.

hey bro are you able to label the talents based on what format they will play. Yes I agree it's incredible to see pakistan produce 5 elite talents because the world needs a strong pakistan side. Pakistam will always remain the king of bowling talent factory.

I believe shaheen is an all format player. He is the whole package. a complete player.

sameem gul and naseem are test players I feel.

husnain rauf and javed are t20 specialists.
rauf can be in odi too.

not sure about musa?

 

[Pete Rose]

I suppose the silver lining here is that there won’t too many clashes between the bowlers and the bowling coach given how they are to young to get in to ego battles

 

[Titan24]

hey bro are you able to label the talents based on what format they will play. Yes I agree it's incredible to see pakistan produce 5 elite talents because the world needs a strong pakistan side. Pakistam will always remain the king of bowling talent factory.

I believe shaheen is an all format player. He is the whole package. a complete player.

sameem gul and naseem are test players I feel.

husnain rauf and javed are t20 specialists.
rauf can be in odi too.

not sure about musa?

- I think Naseem can play all the formats if he remains fit as he has enough skills to adapt

- Musa needs to work on his consistency otherwise he is also someone who can play all the formats

- Haris Rauf can play ODIs as well but he still needs to do some work to improve his death bowling further

- Hasnain to work on his fitness and seam position to claim a strong stake in ODIs and Tests.

- Agreed about Samenn Gul being test specialist

 

[Titan24]

husnain rauf and javed are t20 specialists.
rauf can be in odi too.

not sure about musa?

- For Akif in terms of potential what I have seen is if he is fit enough and remains working hard he can play all the formats for Pakistan in future. He hits impressive areas and that too with decent pace and movemen.

 

[Titan24]

Brother Titan, no, they aren't as hyped or gifted as Amir was.

Yes maybe but, I guess Amir’s hype got magnified after he debuted for Pakistan and started performing straight away in the T20 WC. Mudassar Nazar who is in charge of the national academy, U19 coaches and now even their regional coaches who had an input in Musa and Naseem’s selection as well rate them pretty highly along with obviously Waqar.

Lets see what they can dow now. Amir also progressed and showed his potential when he started playing for Pakistan though he was bit lucky to get start in England with T20 WC and then again got into the eyes of cricketing world by performing in Eng in tests. Aus is a tough place to start but lets see how they handle themselves.

 

[Gullycricket]

I am keeping fingers crossed.After what happened with Hassan Ali I will give it five years to judge properly.Yes talent is there like always.Pak mein bahut talunt hai

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Mohammed Sami clocked 160( give or take)? How did he get on?

Hattrick in every format, good t20 league player at best.
Some people are good and some are not, they all deserve a chance.

 

[tyron_woodley]

- For Akif in terms of potential what I have seen is if he is fit enough and remains working hard he can play all the formats for Pakistan in future. He hits impressive areas and that too with decent pace and movemen.

so excited bro. btw are you able to post physical attributes of these super talents.

height, weight etc.

For australia pakistan need either a tall bouncer specialist or a skiddy medium height pacer.

 

[IAJ]

What you want to see is improvement after playing international cricket. In the last 20 years we only had Asif who really improved after debuting.

 

[Danyaalr01]

so excited bro. btw are you able to post physical attributes of these super talents.

height, weight etc.

For australia pakistan need either a tall bouncer specialist or a skiddy medium height pacer.

Shaheen is 6'5 or 6'6, Sameen is about 6'3 or 6'4. Hasnain is 6'0 or 6'1. Musa and Naseem are 5'9 and 5'10.

I don't know about Akif but he looks about 6'2 on tv.

Musa is really muscular and strong he looks like a tank, Naseem also looks quite strong. Shaheen is lanks. Sameen also looks quite strong and muscular. Akif also looks lanky. Hasnain is in between.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Shaheen is 6'5 or 6'6, Sameen is about 6'3 or 6'4. Hasnain is 6'0 or 6'1. Musa and Naseem are 5'9 and 5'10.

I don't know about Akif but he looks about 6'2 on tv.

Musa is really muscular and strong he looks like a tank, Naseem also looks quite strong. Shaheen is lanks. Sameen also looks quite strong and muscular. Akif also looks lanky. Hasnain is in between.

nice. As long as they are 5'9 or above it's ok.
Yea agreed. musa looks built like a brick. Kind of like Fidel Edwards.

 

[tyron_woodley]

shaheen is elite already and we know that.

I am more excited to see naseem and sameen. sameen reminds me of asif.

 

[Danyaalr01]

shaheen is elite already and we know that.

I am more excited to see naseem and sameen. sameen reminds me of asif.

He looks like a Josh Hazlewood type bowler. Quicker than Asif, swings it in and seams it. He's also tall. I hope he goes to England and runs riot there.

 

[shantanu]

Let them showcase their skills on the international stage for a reasonable period of time.
People refering to these kids as super-talents already!
Shaheen too is yet to perform credibly for a proper season.
This excitement level is not being reflected to the same intensity when the experts of Pak cricket are talking about these youngsters. They must know what they are talking about.
There is a significant dissonance between the experts and the fans.
Lets see.

 

[as-95]

The signs are promising, but the reality is that what these lads do in international cricket will be crucial.

Of late too many Pakistani pacers have shwn promise but failed to deliver on a regular basis.

Indeed... Too many of our youngsters think they have made it after a few good performances. It is down to a lack of desire and work ethic. Hasan Ali was on top of the world after the Champions Trophy but his work ethic has really let him down and his performances have been poor since.

On the other hand, with Babar as our new T20 captain, hopefully he can instill the strong desire to improve into the youngsters as that is what has taken him to his lofty heights!

 

[warcry]

revival?
what revival?
first give credible performances in overseas and home tests over a period of time before talking of revival.

 

[as-95]

Shaheen is 6'5 or 6'6, Sameen is about 6'3 or 6'4. Hasnain is 6'0 or 6'1. Musa and Naseem are 5'9 and 5'10.

I don't know about Akif but he looks about 6'2 on tv.

Musa is really muscular and strong he looks like a tank, Naseem also looks quite strong. Shaheen is lanks. Sameen also looks quite strong and muscular. Akif also looks lanky. Hasnain is in between.

In the actual Akif Javed thread, posters stated that he is around 6'6" tall!

 

[Omer2002]

As i said previously the good thing this they have nothing to lose..even our creme de la creme bowlers have struggled in aussie conditions..we all think it will be bouncy etc..they are only two tests ..Perth used to be the fastest and even they have slowed down...

The biggest question is how will Yasir Shah perfom as he must keep the likes of warner n smith quiet

 

[Danyaalr01]

In the actual Akif Javed thread, posters stated that he is around 6'6" tall!

Really. He didn't look that tall. Maybe he is and I didn't see right.

 

[Titan24]

revival?
what revival?
first give credible performances in overseas and home tests over a period of time before talking of revival.

You do realize that there wasnt even any impressive young pacer between the period of 2010-16 except the few I have mentioned?

Revival of pace factory means that atleast there are few products in the same period now rather than having almost nothing in terms of teenage fast bowlers in the last decade.after After Mohamamd Amir. Zia Ul Haq, Muhammad Aftab showed bit of spark in their teenage but they fell away, while Junaid had his injury struggles.

Now with quite a few options Pak just need 2 of them to come good and pace bowling will be set for quite sometime.

 

[Titan24]

In the actual Akif Javed thread, posters stated that he is around 6'6" tall!

No, he isnt as tall as Shaheen but he is closer to Hasnain. More like around 6.2.

 

[Theo_14]

How can we say it’s a revival when they haven’t delivered consistently anywhere near the likes of Sami, let alone Akhtar at International level?

Hasnain is raw and needs exposure to domestic and club level cricket to learn the basics. Musa is unproven and doesn’t have the fear factor. Naseem Shah looks admittedly promising but again unproven at top level - failed to deliver during U19 Asia cup. Shaheen Shah Afridi is the only player who has proven at top level but before the World cup he was going through the Hasan Ali phase.

I think because Pakistan has lacked world class talent in the bowling department since Asif, everyone seems to be hungry and excited over anything and everything. This is hardly a revival or anything to be excited about. The players mentioned are yet to prove anything of world class at top level.

 

[Mamoon]

I fear some of them will get the Shinwari treatment in 2013, who was fast-tracked based on one spell against Misbah’s team and then got hammered into oblivion by Sri Lanka.

The step from domestic cricket to Test cricket to Test cricket in Australia is huge. It would be a miracle if they even produce a single good spell, and if they get hammered which they probably will, I hope Misbah doesn’t discard them for a few years.

Pakistan has nothing to lose by investing in these pacers at this stage. I am not impressed by the overrated Hasnain but let’s see how the likes of Musa and Naseem fare.

 

[Majid Khan]

I will call it a revival the day we see Pakistani pacers ripping apart a batting line up again beating batsmen through skill and pace, not seen this happen since Shoaib other than brief glimpses from Mo Amir like he did v Kohli in a couple of spells just after he made his comeback.

 

[Saj]

The concern is we are sending kids as our bowlers while Australia has Starc, Cummins and co.

 

[saeed5646]

To be honest i am more impressed by silent assassin akif javed .He has very smooth action and generates good pace without putting in alot of afford also he is 6 foot taler which is very essential for any good bowler

 

[szundercover]

Misbah and Waqar are the right people to revive our cricket, particularly pace bowling.

Soon after taking over, Misbah identified that we're losing in Aus because of our poor bowling.

The current new lot looks okay, but still there's nobody out there yet who could be way above the rest. And make headlines all over the world.

This can happen in a few years. I'm sure Misbah and Waqar duo can either make one of the current bowlers world class or unearth a new one.

The most important task they have in their hands is batting and an finisher for number 6 or 7.I still haven't spotted a decent batting talent at domestic level apart from rohail nazir.

 

[szundercover]

The concern is we are sending kids as our bowlers while Australia has Starc, Cummins and co.

Its a risk we have to take.We have to be brave like the sri lankans and who knows we might even get suprise results on the tour.You can never write off pakistan.

 

[Abdullah719]

To be honest i am more impressed by silent assassin akif javed .He has very smooth action and generates good pace without putting in alot of afford also he is 6 foot taler which is very essential for any good bowler

Also moves the new ball a fair bit, both ways. His new ball spell yesterday was excellent.

 

[Titan24]

How can we say it’s a revival when they haven’t delivered consistently anywhere near the likes of Sami, let alone Akhtar at International level?

Hasnain is raw and needs exposure to domestic and club level cricket to learn the basics. Musa is unproven and doesn’t have the fear factor. Naseem Shah looks admittedly promising but again unproven at top level - failed to deliver during U19 Asia cup. Shaheen Shah Afridi is the only player who has proven at top level but before the World cup he was going through the Hasan Ali phase.

I think because Pakistan has lacked world class talent in the bowling department since Asif, everyone seems to be hungry and excited over anything and everything. This is hardly a revival or anything to be excited about. The players mentioned are yet to prove anything of world class at top level.

I will call it a revival the day we see Pakistani pacers ripping apart a batting line up again beating batsmen through skill and pace, not seen this happen since Shoaib other than brief glimpses from Mo Amir like he did v Kohli in a couple of spells just after he made his comeback.

I will repeat myself and say that revival of the production means that atleast we have produced some products which may require finishing. Its the revival of production not the revival of legacy at the moment.

Before these names which have all come in together luckily, the only decent talents post Amir in the last decade were Junaid (Injuries hampered his growth), Zia Ul Haq (Still decent but couldnt step up from where he was), maybe Mohammad Aftab (Faded Away) and other than these few names who were in their teens and early 20s I cant think of any product which could have been world class and except Zia Ul Haq the other two didnt have pace close to the names I have mentioned.

We will have to see if these names can revive the legacy as well however, the chance is better than before as there is not only one guy we are looking upto rather few names and as I said, only two of them need to push themselves and be good enough to be world class and the legacy can be revived.

 

[Muhammad Saad]

How many 145k+ bowlers we used to have since 2003 to 2017? Probably 2 at most in one time, now we have 6 so it's a upgrade

 

[Titan24]

How many 145k+ bowlers we used to have since 2003 to 2017? Probably 2 at most in one time, now we have 6 so it's a upgrade

Exactly. Atleast we have something at our hands now which we didnt have for a long time and that is to have pacers with skills and who can ball fast.

Not to forget Shaheen who has played most international cricket among these names has already got the records of youngest pacer to take 5 wickets in a WC, highest no of wickets by a teenager in WC and only 2nd teenager to get a MOM in WC, along with best Bowling figures by a Pakistani in WC.

Production is revived and products are here and they just need to work hard and remain fit.

 

[tyron_woodley]

people said the same thing about shaheen and look how that turned out? shaheen was given a chance to showcase his talent. He rose to the challnge and poved his critics wrong. Now he is a world class bowler in odi. Only a matter of time before he improves in tests too.

 

[Pakhs]

people said the same thing about shaheen and look how that turned out? shaheen was given a chance to showcase his talent. He rose to the challnge and poved his critics wrong. Now he is a world class bowler in odi. Only a matter of time before he improves in tests too.

I think test bowlers should be 24+ not many younger than that age can make an impact in test cricket as its a slow game.

 

[Pakhs]

I cant see any revival tbh - only shaheen has shown ability to move the bowl at pace - I was excited for husnain as he looked like he had a good bowling psych to bowl fast but he has been gun barrel straight in International cricket.

Musa looks too small for international cricket (Max 5'8) and his stats even in domestic are poor - Naseem shah let him play few international games before we know anything about him.

 

[ExplicitAI]

The lack of fast bowlers being produced in Punjab is worrying, I wonder why there's a sudden preference for bowlers in KPK unless it's mainly due them producing some good talent in recent times.

 

[Danyaalr01]

The lack of fast bowlers being produced in Punjab is worrying, I wonder why there's a sudden preference for bowlers in KPK unless it's mainly due them producing some good talent in recent times.

At the moment KPK seems to be a factory for fast bowlers. The fast bowlers coming out of KP seem to be fit, strong and fast. I guess it's the Pathan power and their diet.

There was Hasan Ali but he's had one huge decline within 2. He went from number 1 at the end of 2017 to a n ineffective trundler in New Zealand. Fame has also gone to his head, he is a self admirer, he even wears a chain with himslef on it doing his celebration.

Ahmed Bashir is one from Punjab. I've heard good things about him, but he hasn't had much opportunity in domestic.

I don't think it's too worrying. Some places do go through a period like this, KPK is having it's time right now in producing pacers.

 

[Titan24]

I cant see any revival tbh - only shaheen has shown ability to move the bowl at pace - I was excited for husnain as he looked like he had a good bowling psych to bowl fast but he has been gun barrel straight in International cricket.

Musa looks too small for international cricket (Max 5'8) and his stats even in domestic are poor - Naseem shah let him play few international games before we know anything about him.

It was too long ago when Shaheen was said nothing special, mediocre here when he first played in PSL. Most of the posters unfortunately go for the numbers or the face value rather than potential. Shaheen’s potential obviously got refined when he started playing international cricket and was in the Pakistani team training with top bowlers and coaches.

Musa’s stats are poor due to the new domestic structure which is obviously tougher, while he could have done better but people shouldnt expect a lot of 18,19 or even 22 as averages for bowlers in QAE now. Mucg more experienced bowlers than Musa have struggled. Coaches of regional teams are also involved in the selection process and they give their feedback to Misbah, so obviously Mohammad Wasim and Co would have said good things about Musa.

As you are saying let them play for sometime in international cricket to make any judgements. They are all still raw but having 4-5 raw pacers with such potential after long time is atleast the revival of the production. Revival of fast bowling legacy can only happen in few years.

 

[ARK Rafay]

I really liked the Misbah's approach this time around. We would've lost the series anyways with El experienced players. (They had their time, couldn't win it). So it's a good opportunity for them to go and express themselves and maybe if opportunity arises announce themselves in International Cricket. But it is really important that we persist with these young bowlers and not look back after a whitewash.

 

[ARK Rafay]

The lack of fast bowlers being produced in Punjab is worrying, I wonder why there's a sudden preference for bowlers in KPK unless it's mainly due them producing some good talent in recent times.

I don't think it's a lack of pacers not produced. Bowlers are these, LQ even find Haris Rauf. It's just that in recent times these pacers got found and they were from KPK.

 

[Pakhs]

It was too long ago when Shaheen was said nothing special, mediocre here when he first played in PSL. Most of the posters unfortunately go for the numbers or the face value rather than potential. Shaheen’s potential obviously got refined when he started playing international cricket and was in the Pakistani team training with top bowlers and coaches.

Musa’s stats are poor due to the new domestic structure which is obviously tougher, while he could have done better but people shouldnt expect a lot of 18,19 or even 22 as averages for bowlers in QAE now. Mucg more experienced bowlers than Musa have struggled. Coaches of regional teams are also involved in the selection process and they give their feedback to Misbah, so obviously Mohammad Wasim and Co would have said good things about Musa.

As you are saying let them play for sometime in international cricket to make any judgements. They are all still raw but having 4-5 raw pacers with such potential after long time is atleast the revival of the production. Revival of fast bowling legacy can only happen in few years.

If he is averaging 35 in domestic what would he average in international cricket? say once he has improved 35 again? Thats not really good enough is it.

 

[Mercurial]

Apart from Shaheen (ODI cricket only), no one else has even made a mark at international level, so you can't call it a revival. Let us see if they can perform at international level or not.

Anyways, I would have been more excited if the thread title read "Pakistan's batting factory revival".

 

[HasanA]

The last time i saw a bowler move the ball in the air at high speed like Akif Javed does was Mohammad Amir before his ban

not only does he move the ball, it swerves in like Amir and Wasim Akram used to do in their prime. he is a tad slower than them but his action lends me to believe he can up the pace.

 

[Corridor of Uncertainty]

Revival? What did I miss? Have they won a series already?

 

[Danyaalr01]

Revival? What did I miss? Have they won a series already?

Revival means that there are some players coming through. There are young fast bowlers who have potential and talent coming through from U19 cricket and domestic cricket.

For the last decade our bowlers were Rahat, Talha, Asad Ali, Bilawal Bhatti, Imran Khan Sr etc.

Now we actually have guys who we can be excited about. The factory doens't mean we have great fast bowlers in our team, it just means we are producing good young talents like Naseem, Shaheen, Sameen, Musa, Hasnain, Arshad Iqbal and Aqif Javed.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Revival means that there are some players coming through. There are young fast bowlers who have potential and talent coming through from U19 cricket and domestic cricket.

For the last decade our bowlers were Rahat, Talha, Asad Ali, Bilawal Bhatti, Imran Khan Sr etc.

Now we actually have guys who we can be excited about. The factory doens't mean we have great fast bowlers in our team, it just means we are producing good young talents like Naseem, Shaheen, Sameen, Musa, Hasnain, Arshad Iqbal and Aqif Javed.

bilawal lol. He still bowls fast btw.

I agree though. right now the talent level is much better overall. exciting world class prospects.

 

[Officer Barbrady]

Very exciting times for Pakistan cricket

 

[Titan24]

Revival? What did I miss? Have they won a series already?

You missed reading the title.

Its the revival of the factory not the legacy, have said it quite a few times in this thread as well as the opening post. Its after more than a decade that we have got not only 1 pacer rather 4-5 young pacers with decent potential.

 

[Titan24]

If he is averaging 35 in domestic what would he average in international cricket? say once he has improved 35 again? Thats not really good enough is it.

Joe root averaged 35 in FC cricket when he made his debut and he averages in late 40s in test cricket now. Babar Azam averaged around 29 in FC cricket when made is debut but it didnt stop him to leave an impression in NZ with his 90 odd when no batsman could do anything and not to forget the way he is progressing and even with Test avg of 35 most people will agree that he is our best batsman in tests.

Potential is more important than the domestic numbers in my opinion and there are countless number of cricketers who reached big heights contrary to their FC numbers at young age and there are countless who couldn’t do anything with amazing FC numbers.

 

[Pakhs]

Joe root averaged 35 in FC cricket when he made his debut and he averages in late 40s in test cricket now. Babar Azam averaged around 29 in FC cricket when made is debut but it didnt stop him to leave an impression in NZ with his 90 odd when no batsman could do anything and not to forget the way he is progressing and even with Test avg of 35 most people will agree that he is our best batsman in tests.

Potential is more important than the domestic numbers in my opinion and there are countless number of cricketers who reached big heights contrary to their FC numbers at young age and there are countless who couldn’t do anything with amazing FC numbers.

Those were batsmen - which would mean they actually made bowlers work harder. its generally accepted batsmen averages get better with time if they are picked too young. But for bowlers same is not true and are picked when their stats are actually quit good in domestic cricket.