What is with Pakistan and Australian tours we start playing our worst cricket as soon as we enter their Den. We lack skills to do well in Australia its agreed but our outcricket suffers as well dropping crucial catches not appealing when their is an edge time ad again I have seen it and its not a surprise anymore.
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Our players get intimidated by the daunting environment. Australian stadiums are massive and packed with lively crowds, which is a different world to the empty stadiums of Pakistan and the empty blue seats and stuffed toys of the UAE.
In addition, the hard cricket that Australia play is something we cannot cope with. Our 'attritional' cricket is exactly the type of cricket you are not supposed to play in Australia.
This tour is turning out to be another disastrous tour of Australia. History is simply repeating itself.
Eggs on faces of all those deluded 'fans' who thought we can win this series and bla bla.
In addition, the hard cricket that Australia play is something we cannot cope with. Our 'attritional' cricket is exactly the type of cricket you are not supposed to play in Australia.
This tour is turning out to be another disastrous tour of Australia. History is simply repeating itself.
Eggs on faces of all those deluded 'fans' who thought we can win this series and bla bla.
This is the first Pakistan team in Aus that plays attrtional cricket even our past aggressive sides struggled there also we play in front of packed crowds in England yet we do well mostly so nothing to do with crowd pressure. Its really a mystery to me why we play so poor in Australia yes conditions don't suit us yet we always play below our potential aswell. Quite sad since Australia test matches are one of the best to watch on tv but we never compete.
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We still haven't even batted.
How can first day tell you how tour will pan over next 14 days?
How can first day tell you how tour will pan over next 14 days?
its following a pattern the body language looks awful. Injuries, dropped catches brain dead out cricket (not appealing for a caught behind) I have seen all that before in Australia.
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Our past teams did not play attritional cricket but they got intimidated by the environment and the aggressive cricket that Australians played.
England is different due to numerous factors. The pitches suit us more, the environment is friendlier and England do not play hard cricket like Australia.
Australian stadiums are like Colosseums and the Australians players fight in it like Gladiators. A mentally weak team like Pakistan - lacking in confidence and self-believe - cannot cope with it.
In Australia, we are only good with our words in post-match and pre-match pressers. On the pitch, we crap our pants.
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And the "tape" has been played ,first day mates first day ,lets atleast wait for the first test.Remember everyone wrist slitting after 3rd test in England too and Pak went on to win the next one.
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) gladiators ???what's next they are the descendants of Alexander playing cricket?They are just a team who got beaten by Saffers just before this tour without their top bowler.
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I wouldn't start writing obituaries just yet.
BUT, in the past, Pakistan has been outhustled by Australian cricketers. They play cricket with a certain toughness we can't match on their grounds.
The same happens to them in spin-friendly conditions. Their batsmen start dancing all over the place even if the ball isn't turning big.
It's a mind game and the Aussies play it well at home. You need everyone to be 100% ready to go and have self-belief in their ability.
BUT, in the past, Pakistan has been outhustled by Australian cricketers. They play cricket with a certain toughness we can't match on their grounds.
The same happens to them in spin-friendly conditions. Their batsmen start dancing all over the place even if the ball isn't turning big.
It's a mind game and the Aussies play it well at home. You need everyone to be 100% ready to go and have self-belief in their ability.
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The Saffers have the right approach in Australia. They play without fear.
Pakistan can't be compared to them in that aspect.
Doesn't mean this tour is a write off. Australia is a weak unit and can be put on the back foot by a reenergized Pakistani team.
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This is one of the weakest Aussie team ,one collapse might disturb their mental stability,they might be tough but the key is to keep trying and make them doubt themselves.(most Pak bowlers have that capability)
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Agreed.
Pakistan needs to play with that in mind. Rattle them once and it'll be enough to set the cat among the pigeons.
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The final score at stumps reminds me of our experience during the 2014 tour lol..
I think Pakistan have sort of a mental block against Australia especially in Australia. Anyway I don't think many expected Australia to lose at the Gabba. It is their fortress for a reason, many opposition teams have had good first innings at the Gabba only to crumble in the second innings. However I think this Australian team is very light on batting, perhaps as light as they have ever been in the past 5 years or so. Warner, Smith are great players while Khawaja has got very good potential. But the rest are rookies, and their lower order of Maddinson, Wade, Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon and Bird looks shaky. Pakistan have got a good chance if they stay in the game despite scoreboard pressure and induce an Australian collapse in any of the three games, which is very much possible given the inexperience of the Australian line up.
I think Pakistan have sort of a mental block against Australia especially in Australia. Anyway I don't think many expected Australia to lose at the Gabba. It is their fortress for a reason, many opposition teams have had good first innings at the Gabba only to crumble in the second innings. However I think this Australian team is very light on batting, perhaps as light as they have ever been in the past 5 years or so. Warner, Smith are great players while Khawaja has got very good potential. But the rest are rookies, and their lower order of Maddinson, Wade, Starc, Hazelwood, Lyon and Bird looks shaky. Pakistan have got a good chance if they stay in the game despite scoreboard pressure and induce an Australian collapse in any of the three games, which is very much possible given the inexperience of the Australian line up.
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Mostly because Pakistan's swing bowling is rendered useless in Australia. Not to mention, lacking a spinner who can perform away has also been a problem. Ajmal or Yasir, they are simply not good enough in these conditions.
That leaves Pakistani batting with a responsibility to save the match every single time, and as we already know, Pakistan haven't really been blessed in this department.
That leaves Pakistani batting with a responsibility to save the match every single time, and as we already know, Pakistan haven't really been blessed in this department.
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Tbh Pakistan's style of play is not suited to Australian pitches. Environment and other factors come second.
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Another tour and another 3-0 whitewash coming up. Teams much better than this have been hammered, this team is very average.
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Please explain the similarities between Pakistan and South Africa and what the series win of South Africa has to do with Pakistan, and please shed some light on how much South Africa missed their 'best bowler' when they had a bowling attack of Rabada, Philander and Abbott on pitches with considerable grass
Also, please remind me when was the last time 'just a team' Australia lost a Test series at home to an Asian team.
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It is a poor Australian team but it is a very poor Pakistani bowling attack as well. Batting for once isn't that much worse.
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This is the second time the stupid PCB has combined tours to Australia and NZ. Season 2009/10 they played 3 tests in NZ then straight away came to Australia for 3 tests, 5 ODI's and a T20. It turned into a 3 + month tour of the Southern Hemisphere.
Now again, they have been in NZ since early November and have started a tour of Australia which will also become a 3 month tour. On top of that they wasted time playing a full fledged series against WI before the tour, awful planning by the PCB.
Now again, they have been in NZ since early November and have started a tour of Australia which will also become a 3 month tour. On top of that they wasted time playing a full fledged series against WI before the tour, awful planning by the PCB.
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You need tall bowler s who hit the deck hard in Australia. Swing bowlers and spinners rarely come into play. IR else you need batsmen to pile in the runs quickly and let scoreboard pressure do its magic. Pakistan's traditional stre gths are pretty much useless here which is why they have had a very poor record for over two decades in Australia.
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It's very easy to 'fight like a gladiator' when you can comfortably leave a ball pitched on middle stump through to the keeper without sweat.
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It is, but that is how it is. The bounce deflates teams from Asia while the Australian keeping crunching boundaries on the back-foot.
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South Africa beat Australia with their excellent bowling attack.
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The point being they play like gladiators when Asian teams visit them only? If they can consistently lose to Saffers that means there is enough for other teams to exploit ,yes no team has bowlers like SA but Aus isn't as invincible as they once were.
Poor preparation is a huge problem.
PCB spent money on getting the team prepared for the England tour and making sure they were in England in good time and had a camp.
For Australia, they've organised one 3 day match against nobodies.
PCB spent money on getting the team prepared for the England tour and making sure they were in England in good time and had a camp.
For Australia, they've organised one 3 day match against nobodies.
look how serious england took the last trip compared to the one before. 4 side game i remmeber when they won that series. the last series they didnt prepare like that.
its all in the prep.
we can defo hive these aussies a game in these conditions. shame we didnt capitalise on them being 75-2
its all in the prep.
we can defo hive these aussies a game in these conditions. shame we didnt capitalise on them being 75-2
It is incredible how Pakistan have had near perfect preparation for the England tour - but have decided to do the complete opposite in preparing for these Southern Hemisphere tours.
I understand modern cricket entails tough scheduling pressures but there was no need for the WI series to have dragged on for as long as it did. 2 Tests, 3 ODIs and 1 T20 would've sufficed giving us more time for preparation before the New Zealand and Australia series.
For me, the problem is that Pakistani players get flustered and get totally turned off when they face a formidable opposition such as Australia and India. It is less to do with skills but rather it is all psychological. Our players admit defeat even before the match has started.
Australia is a far better team than England. We can prepare 2 months but result will still be same.Our players simply lack of abilities and talent
Our problems in Australia have always been due to batting collapses and dropping catches by the bucket loads ... Hobart in '99 and Sydney in 2010 are the closest we have come to winning a test match in Australia since I've been watching cricket since mid 90s ... Hobart was more due to **** poor biased home umpiring that would've squared the series 1-1 heading into 3rd test and Sydney we all remember Kami giving Hussey a million lives and even then we failed to chase 170 odd after having a good start.
Results could've been different in terms of winning some matches had we not let ourselves down. But it seems to happen every single time like clockwork in Aussie land. And yesterday Sarf dropped a sitter of Smith.
Results could've been different in terms of winning some matches had we not let ourselves down. But it seems to happen every single time like clockwork in Aussie land. And yesterday Sarf dropped a sitter of Smith.
It also helps that they don't drop catches as frequently as we do lol
did you see our amazing batting display in NZ?
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Absolutely right. Even if you play an ATG Pakistani team, they will lose to Australia's third string team in Australia.
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I mostly agree but I think we can play attacking cricket too.
It depends on when it is "triggered" hopefully this game since the wicket looks flat.
No point changing the approach when we are already 2-0 down - have to go full throttle from the start.
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Just my $0.02 but we had a point to prove for the England tour after the events of 2006 and 2010. It looks like the management did not want leave any stone unturned and our preparation and results showed that.
Looks like a like of desire and carelessness for our winter tours - the management and PCB had already accepted defeat and hence the preparation was poor too.
I do not know for sure but politics could be behind it as well i.e. to get rid of YK and Misbah ASAP and turning them into scapegoats once we get thrashed 3-0.
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Isn't that also true for England and India? - countries where we have competed reasonably well
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Let's just put it this way, despite having all the fast bowlers over the last 35 years(Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and others) Pak has won 1 game in Australia, drawing 4 and losing the rest. In the only game won, Mushy picked up 9 wickets. Not the fast bowlers.
India on the other hand just since 2003 have won 2 tests in Australia, drawn 4 and lost the rest. Agarkar and RP Singh winning those games for them.
It may not be just be batting. Maybe Pak fast bowlers aren't made for Australian pitches?
India on the other hand just since 2003 have won 2 tests in Australia, drawn 4 and lost the rest. Agarkar and RP Singh winning those games for them.
It may not be just be batting. Maybe Pak fast bowlers aren't made for Australian pitches?
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This is a 3 match series so relax. We have never started well
even now i think we can give them a good match.
your point just proves its the batsman.
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No it doesn't, especially when the only game that Pak has won it was a spinner to do most of the damage. Pak fast bowlers have let them down tremendously in Australia overall.
India's wins you can clearly point out Agarkar in 2003 picking up 6 wickets in a spell to deliver the win. Imran, Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib and others have failed to do so.
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The environment is daunting in India but the pitches suit us. As far as England is concerned, they are far less hostile and aggressive than Australia, and playing in late summer when the weather was dry helped us.
Had we toured in May like SL, we would have been beaten black and blue.
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They are not invincible, but Asian teams do not have the same bowling prowess. They also field worse than their South African counterparts and fail to put up collective batting efforts.
Australia will always remain a nightmare for Asian teams. I think we need to applaud Indian for not getting whitewashed in 2014. It was an extremely commendable effort.
Poor decision-making by PCB.
Given Pakistan's record in Australia, the preparation needed to be spot on. Instead it's been shambolic.
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