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Pakistan's slip cordon in the series against England

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One thing that really let us down, amongst all the other stuff, in 2010 was the pathetic slip catching. The likes of Umar, Farhat, Butt were dropping dollies left right and center along with our keepers having a shocking time. This time it's important we get who stands in the slips right. YK and Misbah are pretty safe bets in the slips. Hafeez does have a tendency to drop a few so it will be interesting to see how he goes. Hopefully we do better in this aspect this time around but other than these 3 is there anyone else who would be a reliable slip fielder in the squad?

A big test for Sarfraz too. England '06 was the beginning of the downfall for Kami who had started to put on some weight and really couldn't adjust to the ball swinging around as it does in England, after it passes the stumps. Hopefully this boot camp has helped Sarfraz sort his fitness out a little and his balance is on point come this summer.
 
Azhar, Asad, YK and Misbah are all decent catchers in the slips/gully
 
Asad is the best gully fielder in Pakistan. Don't want Hafeez in the slips he is usually better at cover/point etc

Misbah, Younis, Azhar the 3 slips in that order. Asad in gully. If you want 4 slips make Hafeez 4th slip and put Shan in Hafeez's position. If Shan is fielding at short leg then put Yasir there.
 
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Slip fielding shouldn't be a problem this time, team man misbah and azhar ali and Asad have done well in the slips hope they keep it up. Last tour of England dropped catches cost us dearly
 
Pakistan really missed Younis in the slips in 2010.
 
My biggest worry. Probably more than the batting. Dropped catches demoralize the bowlers and there's nothing worse in cricket. At least the keeper is OK this time. Kami was horrendous in the last tour vs Eng
 
Excellent thread. Pakistan's slip catching in the subcontinent had been the best I have seen for decades. Has won is many matches without us noticing.

But England is a different place and they will need to adapt and practice. Even the English drop lots of catches there.
 
The business area of this tour.

I have my expectations measured for PAK batting & bowling in this series, but barring rain, the determining factor between 4-0 & 2-2 could be the catching of PAK team. I don't think, this ENG side has the batting strength like 2010, may be tail is longer; but they'll struggle against PAK attack, unless Cook & Root has a great series. On contrary, PAK has NO CHANCE to contest, if they are to get Cook & Root out 20+ times in this series. Already, PAK is going with WK standards of 2006; a series, which should have ended 2-1 for hosts, could have ended 3-1 in favor of tourists had KAkmal been efficient (& Asif, Sohaib fit for whole series).

I think, 2nd slip is the most dynamic spot - edges often don't carry to hands, therefore the 2nd slipper needs to dive front, while edged squire cuts fly faster & on the rise at 2nd slip. Besides, 2nd slipper needs to cover both left & right as the 1st slip stands 2 metres behind, so soft edges has to be covers by 2nd slip while often 3rd slip is kept wide, particularly if the 2nd slipper is a right hander; sometimes when only 2 slips are used, 2nd slipper stands at a flying position between 2nd & 3rd slip. The best I had seen was Mark Waugh, to me a better all-round fielder than Jonty - Hooper, Viv, Greg, Graham Roop, Botham, Azhar, Bobby Simpson were also outstanding 2nd slipper.

1st slipper should be a bucket hand - less mobile, limited reflex, but a SAFE Bucket - grasps everything that comes straight. The best I had seen were tubby Taylor, Mahela, Big Mac, Fleming, Lloyd, Ian Chappel, Smith, Rahul, Sunny. One vital quality of Taylor, Ian, Mahela, Sunny or Smith, standing at 1st slip was their judgement - what to go for & what to leave for Hilley, Marsh, Sanga, Kirmani or Boucher. Statistically, 2nd slip drops most catches as he attempts more & covers more, while 1st slips KPI is conversion of regulation catches - I can't recall when I had seen or heard Tubby Taylor or Fleming dropping a sitter. On a side note, the worst 1st slipper I had seen was MoHa, a timid soul, who 'll drop almost everything when the match is hanging in balance; off course excluding Wasim, when in AUS, he used to bowl 60+ overs/Test & Khan used to rest him at the only slip.

For PAK, best available 2nd slipper is between YK & Asad; but Asad is good at Gully as well, a position as vital as slip in UK, therefore YK should stand at 2nd slip. He is excellent 2nd slipper, but somehow he bolts it under pressure - something that doesn't go with his batting. Still he is the best option for the hot seat. Misbah is "workable" at 1st slip, while PAK should try to build Yasir at 3rd slip - a position intelligent teams used for bowlers who might need to bowl 35+ overs in last 2 days of a 5 day game, after 1st 3 days work load - here intelligent team is any one but Pakistan & bowlers need to bowl 35+ overs in day 4 & 5 were/are Warne, Kumble, Vettory, Swan, Lyon .......... even Md. Rafique of a minnow. In fact, someone Clive Lloyd used to put a 6'10", 18 stone giant bird at 3rd slip to give him proper rest. I am writing this, because last I can recall is Maqsood & even Md. Irfan fielding at back-ward point - that's Pakistan special fielding intelligence for you. Hope this insane Arthur could fix some sanity & restore insanity in the proceedings.

If Babar Azam makes the team, then I would put him at 3rd slip, while I 'll never use Yasir on a spot (back-ward point), where your prime spinner 'll need to move constantly for whole day & easily can bruise finger or palm trying to dive or slide - exactly the spot where he fields these days.

Azhar should be made permanent Forward Short Leg, while Aamir can field at mid-on or 3rd slip depending on his catching ability, but never on line.
 
Expect papa Rahat butterfingers to drop a few dollies if selected.

Same people who back him in the team oppose Sadaf because he fields poor, pffft...

Team man will deliver in the field but not with bat.

Hafeez will deliver with bat but not on field.

Anderson will deliver 3-0 phainty.
 
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Anderson and Broad may have younis dancing and hoping at the crease, but in the field team man won't let us down :yk2
 
Expect papa Rahat butterfingers to drop a few dollies if selected.

Same people who back him in the team oppose Sadaf because he fields poor, pffft...

Team man will deliver in the field but not with bat.

Hafeez will deliver with bat but not on field.

Anderson will deliver 3-0 phainty.

Rahat fielding at 3rd man or long leg, wont get many chances to catch the ball. Slips will play a huge role in the series.
 
1st slip : Rahat Ali
2nd slip : Junaid Khan
3rd slip : Zulfiqar Babar
gully : Mohammad Irfan
Short leg : Sohail Khan
short cover : Imran Khan
silly point : Ehsan Adil
 
1st slip : Rahat Ali
2nd slip : Junaid Khan
3rd slip : Zulfiqar Babar
gully : Mohammad Irfan
Short leg : Sohail Khan
short cover : Imran Khan
silly point : Ehsan Adil

Yep! And Pakistan give England a whitewash.
 
Our best slip fielder ever, Even Msibah is good

Asad and Azhar are decent at gully

Inzamam was great too, remember quite a few blinders. That Graeme Smitch catch in 2006 stands out though.
 
1st slip : Rahat Ali
2nd slip : Junaid Khan
3rd slip : Zulfiqar Babar
gully : Mohammad Irfan
Short leg : Sohail Khan
short cover : Imran Khan
silly point : Ehsan Adil

Irfan and gully would be an epic site. The guy can pluck sea gulls from thin air - imagine him taking one blinder at least.

"Annay hath bataira" kinda catch.
 
To be honest I'm not feeling over the top concerned about fielding this time around. In the field, I'm only concerned about Zulfiqar Babar, Rahat Ali, and Imran Khan. It'll also be interesting to see how Sarfraz does behind the stumps. Everyone else are more than decent fielders.

In the slip cordon, I'd have Younis, Misbah, and Azhar. Asad could do it too, but he's the team gully specialist.
 
Inzamam was great too, remember quite a few blinders. That Graeme Smitch catch in 2006 stands out though.

Yup Inzi was fine too, but YK has been better than most atleast in the time I have watched PAkistan cricket
 
Haha, let's focus on not being all out for 50 first then we can talk about slip cordon
 
Pakistan's Slip Cordon against England

....an area which usually goes under the radar in UAE (understandably though) but from 14th July onwards till the completion of the tour, it would see a lot of 'traffic' coming its way and would remain under the scanner throughout.

For Pakistan to have any chance of running England close, it's imperative that they gobble up everything that comes their way, especially behind the wicket.

On last two tours, we witnessed below par catching from Pakistan behind the wicket. Most people consider it as the single biggest reason for our loss in 2006 tour.

Last tour as well, the cordon regularly dropped catches so much so that Yasir Hameed was picked for The Oval test not only because the batsmen were falling like nine-pins but also because he was the best slipper available in the squad.


This time around - in Younis, Misbah, Azhar and Asad - we have a solid group of catchers (Hafeez is highly unreliable; he has this habit of putting down simple chances but pulling off spectacular ones every now and then) and is expected to perform better.

The desirable cordon: Younis at 1st, Misbah at 2nd, Asad/Azhar 3rd/Gully.
 
It's going to be Younis Misbah and Hafeez

Where does Shan Masood field?

Asad is Gully specialist. And Azhar will be at Mid Off.
 
Asad is the best gully fielder in Pakistan. Don't want Hafeez in the slips he is usually better at cover/point etc

Misbah, Younis, Azhar the 3 slips in that order. Asad in gully. If you want 4 slips make Hafeez 4th slip and put Shan in Hafeez's position. If Shan is fielding at short leg then put Yasir there.

This. Yk misbah r safe as houses
 
Most infuriating moment in the match till now. What made it worse is it was usual suspect behind that drop. Boils my blood to see him keep dropping crucial catches in the cordon.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mohammad Amir being reminded again of rule number one for Pakistani bowlers - hit the stumps, do not rely on your fielders <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/753948289507229696">July 15, 2016</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That's 4 catches dropped off Mohammad Amir's bowling since his return to Test cricket <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Cricket?src=hash">#Cricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/EngvPak?src=hash">#EngvPak</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/756508515515109376">July 22, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Wicket Keeper Sets the tone. He is the one who takes a Position in terms of distance from the wickets and slip cordon adjusts accordingly.

Sarfraz is a Poor Judge in this.


Asad & Misbah both were standing too close and hence the catches were dropped.


This wicket has more pace and bounce than lords and Sarfraz did not adjust accordingly. Tommorow We will see a change and Sarfraz and Slip Cordon will take a step back wrt positioning.
 
Reason our slips drop catches

Just been watching highlights of day 2 and noticed Younis Khan dropped yet another catch. One thing that struck me was that our slips, particularly Younis, keep their hands on their knees until the ball has left the bowlers hand or even later. When Yasir was bowling Younis still had his hands on his knees even up until the ball pitched. This seems to be very lazy and surely our fielding coach should pick up on this aspect?
 
You just asked a question NO ONE has an answer to except the players themselves and the ones they're coached by.
 
Looks like we might be seeing Misbah return to the slips with YK getting the boot if the pictures of their training at Edgbaston are anything to go by.
 
The business area of this tour.

I have my expectations measured for PAK batting & bowling in this series, but barring rain, the determining factor between 4-0 & 2-2 could be the catching of PAK team. I don't think, this ENG side has the batting strength like 2010, may be tail is longer; but they'll struggle against PAK attack, unless Cook & Root has a great series. On contrary, PAK has NO CHANCE to contest, if they are to get Cook & Root out 20+ times in this series. Already, PAK is going with WK standards of 2006; a series, which should have ended 2-1 for hosts, could have ended 3-1 in favor of tourists had KAkmal been efficient (& Asif, Sohaib fit for whole series).

I think, 2nd slip is the most dynamic spot - edges often don't carry to hands, therefore the 2nd slipper needs to dive front, while edged squire cuts fly faster & on the rise at 2nd slip. Besides, 2nd slipper needs to cover both left & right as the 1st slip stands 2 metres behind, so soft edges has to be covers by 2nd slip while often 3rd slip is kept wide, particularly if the 2nd slipper is a right hander; sometimes when only 2 slips are used, 2nd slipper stands at a flying position between 2nd & 3rd slip. The best I had seen was Mark Waugh, to me a better all-round fielder than Jonty - Hooper, Viv, Greg, Graham Roop, Botham, Azhar, Bobby Simpson were also outstanding 2nd slipper.

1st slipper should be a bucket hand - less mobile, limited reflex, but a SAFE Bucket - grasps everything that comes straight. The best I had seen were tubby Taylor, Mahela, Big Mac, Fleming, Lloyd, Ian Chappel, Smith, Rahul, Sunny. One vital quality of Taylor, Ian, Mahela, Sunny or Smith, standing at 1st slip was their judgement - what to go for & what to leave for Hilley, Marsh, Sanga, Kirmani or Boucher. Statistically, 2nd slip drops most catches as he attempts more & covers more, while 1st slips KPI is conversion of regulation catches - I can't recall when I had seen or heard Tubby Taylor or Fleming dropping a sitter. On a side note, the worst 1st slipper I had seen was MoHa, a timid soul, who 'll drop almost everything when the match is hanging in balance; off course excluding Wasim, when in AUS, he used to bowl 60+ overs/Test & Khan used to rest him at the only slip.

For PAK, best available 2nd slipper is between YK & Asad; but Asad is good at Gully as well, a position as vital as slip in UK, therefore YK should stand at 2nd slip. He is excellent 2nd slipper, but somehow he bolts it under pressure - something that doesn't go with his batting. Still he is the best option for the hot seat. Misbah is "workable" at 1st slip, while PAK should try to build Yasir at 3rd slip - a position intelligent teams used for bowlers who might need to bowl 35+ overs in last 2 days of a 5 day game, after 1st 3 days work load - here intelligent team is any one but Pakistan & bowlers need to bowl 35+ overs in day 4 & 5 were/are Warne, Kumble, Vettory, Swan, Lyon .......... even Md. Rafique of a minnow. In fact, someone Clive Lloyd used to put a 6'10", 18 stone giant bird at 3rd slip to give him proper rest. I am writing this, because last I can recall is Maqsood & even Md. Irfan fielding at back-ward point - that's Pakistan special fielding intelligence for you. Hope this insane Arthur could fix some sanity & restore insanity in the proceedings.

If Babar Azam makes the team, then I would put him at 3rd slip, while I 'll never use Yasir on a spot (back-ward point), where your prime spinner 'll need to move constantly for whole day & easily can bruise finger or palm trying to dive or slide - exactly the spot where he fields these days.

Azhar should be made permanent Forward Short Leg, while Aamir can field at mid-on or 3rd slip depending on his catching ability, but never on line.

best slip fielder from Pak I have seen is Inzimam, barely dropped anything at 1st slip. Infact the one drop he had bounced on his trousers and he still caught it.

Hafeez is indeed very timid, have watched him time and again rejecting any slip practice during UAE tours.
 
I don't fancy misbah on the slip with his knees together technique. Not in England. Will drop alot of the low shin height and below ones with that technique. Hope I'm wrong
 
One juggled catch by Azhar Ali and one drop. A drop for Iftikhar too.

I am not liking the look of this slip cordon.
 
Why the heck are the likes of Iftikhar in the cordon?

YK, Misbah, Azhar (normally he's pretty good) it should be.
 
We expected it to have a poor ratio and it has a poor ratio. Nothing new.

Pakistan always need to dismiss England bats 15/16 times in order to actually end their innings.
 
Why don't they remove hafeez from slip cordon

He drops so many catches,how can you have a guy like him in the slip especially in thoses conditions.
 
He drops so many catches,how can you have a guy like him in the slip especially in thoses conditions.

I wish you were one of the interviewers in the post match conference and just straight up ask Azhar that.

This guy Hafeez these days is in the team to just play with fans' emotions. Has a 45% drop rate (no I didn't just make that up, there is actually a stat for that). So choosing to have a guy like him in the slips is like taking a flight from an airline whose planes crash 45% of the time.

Would you risk your life? / Would you risk a wicket?

Disaster waiting to happen.

I still remember how QdK cashed in on his first ever ODI hundred when Hafu dropped him on 1 or something and we lost the series 4-1. Or how he dropped Jadeja on 4 in Asia Cup, and then he ended up making 50.
 
I wish you were one of the interviewers in the post match conference and just straight up ask Azhar that.

This guy Hafeez these days is in the team to just play with fans' emotions. Has a 45% drop rate (no I didn't just make that up, there is actually a stat for that). So choosing to have a guy like him in the slips is like taking a flight from an airline whose planes crash 45% of the time.

Would you risk your life? / Would you risk a wicket?

Disaster waiting to happen.

I still remember how QdK cashed in on his first ever ODI hundred when Hafu dropped him on 1 or something and we lost the series 4-1. Or how he dropped Jadeja on 4 in Asia Cup, and then he ended up making 50.

I'd call it the "seniority complex" only reason why he continues to field in the slip cordon
 
I wish you were one of the interviewers in the post match conference and just straight up ask Azhar that.

This guy Hafeez these days is in the team to just play with fans' emotions. Has a 45% drop rate (no I didn't just make that up, there is actually a stat for that). So choosing to have a guy like him in the slips is like taking a flight from an airline whose planes crash 45% of the time.

Would you risk your life? / Would you risk a wicket?

Disaster waiting to happen.

I still remember how QdK cashed in on his first ever ODI hundred when Hafu dropped him on 1 or something and we lost the series 4-1. Or how he dropped Jadeja on 4 in Asia Cup, and then he ended up making 50.

He is the worst 1st Slip fielder I have seen. And, now he is playing trick - I think, I have seen him 2 or 3 times in last few weeks not going for a catch, that should be attempted at slip cordon. I am sure, he is aware of your 45% stats & also knows how to manipulate this stat - a drop is not counted, unless you touch it in flight. Day by day, he'll start to stand further away & make sure that whatever reaches to him, comes at a nice pace, height & he has enough time to react.

This guy is the most cunning & manipulative cricketer among a bunch of ... you know.
 
bump

Fielding may well decide the series - in Pakistan' case, that has happened many times.

Who should be in the slips?

Should they try someone like Shadab or Fakhar together with Asad Shafiq?
 
Azhar, shafiq, Babar and Haris/Fakhar will be our slip cordon.
 
Babar is a really really good slip fielder as is Imam.

However knowing Pakistan, Azhar & Shafiq will be in the slips.
 
2020 now and looking at the training pics, it looks like Babar at first slip, Asad at second, and Yasir at third.
 
2020 now and looking at the training pics, it looks like Babar at first slip, Asad at second, and Yasir at third.

After four years, finally the light is seen!!!! Yasir should have been at 3rd slip long back - a leg spinner not famous for fitness should have never been placed at point/cover. 3rd slip is the best place to rest your over burdened bowler. After all Warne used to field there.
 
Aren't batsmen typically the ones to field at slip? Fairly demanding fielding position where you have to focus intently for every ball and can't let up. Don't think I've seen too many bowlers at slip, rather they go to a relatively easier position to stay ready for bowling. Really hope this doesn't affect Yasir Shah adversely.
 
Aren't batsmen typically the ones to field at slip? Fairly demanding fielding position where you have to focus intently for every ball and can't let up. Don't think I've seen too many bowlers at slip, rather they go to a relatively easier position to stay ready for bowling. Really hope this doesn't affect Yasir Shah adversely.

Shane Warne is arguably the greatest slip fielder of all time.

Slip is definitely a difficult position, but not sure it requires any more attention than any other in-field position. In fact I would expect it to help Yasir, get a closer look at the most up to date condition of the pitch
 
Almost a catch

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Need to step in abit they are too far. Few falling short and ain't been much carry. That catch just about carried Shadab took.
 
Nasser reckons they’re all far too deep for Naseem. Warne agrees.

Tricky with the pitch not providing consistent bounce.
 
lol, they are ok.

You stand to near, you end up missing catches or dropping them because they come suddenly to you
 
lol, they are ok.

You stand to near, you end up missing catches or dropping them because they come suddenly to you

How often has that happened? I can’t remember even one incident.

On the other hand, multiple times it’s dropped short.
 
lol, they are ok.

You stand to near, you end up missing catches or dropping them because they come suddenly to you

What game you been watching. Spinners are getting turn and bounce but pacers even in first innings they were not carrying. Some balls even where ankle height to Rizwan and few edges dropped short in first innings too and Popes edger just about carried.
 
Once again ball dropping short - why isnt this being picked up by Pakistan management?
 
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