Pakistan's truce violations don't set tone for cricket, says Sushma Swaraj

[KingKhanWC]

Your statements make no sense. If India stops trading with Pak, its traders lose business. So it continues to trade in a limited way (even though Pak has refused to accord the MFN status, which India already has to Pak).

If it doesn't play cricket with Pak bilaterally, it loses nothing (except a few millions in broadcasting rights). BCCI is already making billions from cricket and doesn't need the extra $ from Pak matches.

Indian stance makes perfect logical sense. Where is the confusion? You seem confused about the Indian stance.

Hope this helps.

India is a signatory to WTO and hence trade cannot be stopped.

Can you post a proper reference of that claim of India exporting $4bn worth of goods to Pakistan?

The Dawn says that the number is far less and that Pakistani exports to India is rising and Indian exports to Pakistan falling.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1326877


Some Indian businessmen have even refused to trade with Pakistan.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1290370

No one is scared of the 7th ranked test team that gets white washed at home by Lankans.

I read it somewhere but whether its $4 or $1 billion. India is ok with their soldiers being killed, or whatever their excuse is when it comes to trade money? India can stop or reduce trade without an issue.

Why did Modi Ji hold the hand of the PM of Pakistan?

Its ok to trade, hold hands but not play cricket. lol

Dont worry about rankings, we have the better head to head record and your much superiour ranking position didn't stop you getting the worst beating in any majory final.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes, it's something they fail to understand. I'm sure there is some sort of justification there whereby only cricket is harmful to Indian society.

Their crickters are rocks stars and since they have a big population, they have financial power in this sport. They dont want to see their heros beaten in a series agianst Pakistan. Remember 2006 when the likes of Sehwag, Laxman, Tendulkar were embarrased in Karachi? IT's too much for Indians to take if it was to happen again.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistan crying at UNGA doesnt mean UN discussing the issue. Your UN rep was caught showing fake pictures in UN claiming them to be from Kashmir.Thats the level of your proof.

Anyone can raise a issue in UN. If Pakistan is going to keep on breaking its agreements on Kashmir, India should raise Balochistan issue around the world.

Pakistan claims evidence, shows nothing.

Crying is something that you do over Yadav and Hafiz. It was a blunder to show the wrong pics but there are millions of correct ones are all over the Internet that can be provided. If you support Baluch separatists then Pak should support all insurgencies in India as well like the Khalistan, Nagaland and Seven Sisters insurgencies etc as well in fact we should arm them openly. There is no agreement on IoK as a all, what you on about? Pak has provided India with plenty of evidence of RAW involvement in Baluchistan. Your evidence against Pak are terrorists carrying Pak made biscuits and rubbish like that. The UN or America don't care about 26/11, time for India to stop crying. UN has commented on Kashmir many times.

 

[PakLFC]

How do you know that? Have you seen the evidence? Please share us the source and I’ll acknowledge that yes GoI have been utterly wrong about Pakistan and its involvement with cross-border terrorism.

Lets face it, we all know both Pakistan and India are trying their best to create terrorism in each other’s land. I just wish both nation can grow up and stop trying to hurt each other and let live each other in peace.

...yes they have often discussed Indian so called evidence on Pak programmes. This is similar to you never accepting RAW terrorism in Pak despite plenty of evidence being provided. A screaming Arnab Goswami is no evidence in case you don't know. "Lets face it, we all know both Pakistan and India are trying their best to create terrorism in each other’s land. "Lets face it, we all know both Pakistan and India are trying their best to create terrorism in each other’s land". India is the one that is in denial off this and they were the ones who started the nuke competition in the sub continent. Now that our nukes are better they have received a proper slap on the face. Point is that Pak is generally a peaceful country where as India the instigator of hostilities. Pak is only fighting for Kashmir that is disputed. Baluchistan is not and never was, it is an integral part of Pakistan and always will be.

 

[PakLFC]

By the way Sushma what has your country done about the many Pakistanis who were burnt to death by Hindu fanatics on the Samjhauta Express?

 

[CanadianG00se]

By the way Sushma what has your country done about the many Pakistanis who were burnt to death by Hindu fanatics on the Samjhauta Express?

Samething as Pakistan did with mastermind of Mumbai 26/11.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I read it somewhere but whether its $4 or $1 billion. India is ok with their soldiers being killed, or whatever their excuse is when it comes to trade money? India can stop or reduce trade without an issue.

Why did Modi Ji hold the hand of the PM of Pakistan?

Its ok to trade, hold hands but not play cricket. lol

Dont worry about rankings, we have the better head to head record and your much superiour ranking position didn't stop you getting the worst beating in any majory final.

India is bound by WTO rules to continue trade unless it either exits WTO or breaks diplomatic relations with Pakistan.

The Indian PM went to Pakistan to start a friendly initiative. He was rewarded by killing of Indians in Uri and Pathankot. Modi has realised there is no use trying to be friendly.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Crying is something that you do over Yadav and Hafiz. It was a blunder to show the wrong pics but there are millions of correct ones are all over the Internet that can be provided. If you support Baluch separatists then Pak should support all insurgencies in India as well like the Khalistan, Nagaland and Seven Sisters insurgencies etc as well in fact we should arm them openly. There is no agreement on IoK as a all, what you on about? Pak has provided India with plenty of evidence of RAW involvement in Baluchistan. Your evidence against Pak are terrorists carrying Pak made biscuits and rubbish like that. The UN or America don't care about 26/11, time for India to stop crying. UN has commented on Kashmir many times.

Look at your economy and ours.Think how much more we can fund and arm if Pakistan wants to play that game of funding and arming. India has far more resources than Pakistan, it can take and inflict far more damage. Why do you think Pak Army avoids a direct conflict since 1971?

There is no agreement on Kashmir?Read about Shimla Agreement and Lahore Declaration.Both sides had agreed to maintain absolute sanctity of the LoC. But Pakistan has been breaking that agreement by arming and funding violence in J and K.

Why not go to UN and get Indians involved in terrorist activities sanctioned? You know how many Pakistani organisations are sanctioned by UN?Seems the evidence is far more than Biscuits. You may also want to look up Pakistani organisations banned in EU and UK.


When did UNSC or UNGA last discuss Kashmir?

 

[PakLFC]

Samething as Pakistan did with mastermind of Mumbai 26/11.

But you are the ones who keep crying over Hafiz. We have let go of the Samjhauta killings knowing you will never do anything about it. I suggest you do the same as well.

 

[PakLFC]

Look at your economy and ours.Think how much more we can fund and arm if Pakistan wants to play that game of funding and arming. India has far more resources than Pakistan, it can take and inflict far more damage. Why do you think Pak Army avoids a direct conflict since 1971?

There is no agreement on Kashmir?Read about Shimla Agreement and Lahore Declaration.Both sides had agreed to maintain absolute sanctity of the LoC. But Pakistan has been breaking that agreement by arming and funding violence in J and K.

Why not go to UN and get Indians involved in terrorist activities sanctioned? You know how many Pakistani organisations are sanctioned by UN?Seems the evidence is far more than Biscuits. You may also want to look up Pakistani organisations banned in EU and UK.


When did UNSC or UNGA last discuss Kashmir?

We are already funding many separatist movements in India according to your own source and so are you. You can fund whatever you want, by and large the Baluch people are pro Pakistani. You will not see even one Indian flag in Baluchistan unlike IoK. Talk is cheap, you can't even get Kulbushan back for goodness sake what you on about? Actually it is you who avoids war more then we do knowing any confrontation will take you 50 years behind. You have far more to lose then we do, remember that.

As for Kashmir it is disputed land under the UN, fact! It does not matter if you accept this as not as your Nehru did and that still stands. Don't blame the indigenous movement in IoK on us. Pak does not care about all the other zillions of separatist movements in India but is equally capable of causing trouble in IoK and other parts of India if you do not stop meddling in Baluchistan and CPEC.

Well I don't keep an eye out who is or is not discussing Kashmir. Let the Zionists ban whatever they want that will only make Pakistan stronger. I have always insisted that Pak should be totally dependent on itself, the UN is just another name for the USA. We do have to improve our foreign policy and diplomacy there is no doubt about that. I told you that NS being pro Indian will never go to the UN to make anti Indian statements although I believe he did do so a year or two back most likely due to military pressure. You should worry about all your own insurgencies and poverty instead of your obsession with us that will not get you anywhere. If you make trouble for us through Afghanistan then we will put IoK on fire as well. Now you are killing the Dalits as well.

 

[CanadianG00se]

But you are the ones who keep crying over Hafiz. We have let go of the Samjhauta killings knowing you will never do anything about it. I suggest you do the same as well.

Difference is Hafiz is worldwide recognized as Terrorist, whereas in Pakistan he is seen as ‘Humanitarian’

Now coming to Samjhuata express, if you’re blaming Modi and his govt for the massacre then Indian court found him NOT GUILTY. No other country or UN have labelled him as terrorist. If Pakistan do have solid proof of his involvement then why have they not submitted to US or UN and if they have already then why was nothing being done. Maybe evidence wasn’t enough to judge Modi guilty?

I agree with your last statement, maybe its best both countries put behind this and move on.

 

[PakLFC]

Difference is Hafiz is worldwide recognized as Terrorist, whereas in Pakistan he is seen as ‘Humanitarian’

Now coming to Samjhuata express, if you’re blaming Modi and his govt for the massacre then Indian court found him NOT GUILTY. No other country or UN have labelled him as terrorist. If Pakistan do have solid proof of his involvement then why have they not submitted to US or UN and if they have already then why was nothing being done. Maybe evidence wasn’t enough to judge Modi guilty?

I agree with your last statement, maybe its best both countries put behind this and move on.

Modi was also a worldwide recognised terrorist before he became PM! He is on record admitting being responsible for the Gujarat killings and being humiliated by Karan Thapar. What you mean is Americas considers Hafiz to be a terrorist. Well, I consider America to be a terrorist state as well and so do hundreds of millions more. I am holding the Hindu fanatics who killed Pak people on the Samjhauta to be responsible and you have done nothing to punish them. Pak courts not Indian or American ones decide if Hafiz is guilty. I have repeated told you that pro India like PML-N will never take any action against India. Nawaz has business interests in India.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Modi was also a worldwide recognised terrorist before he became PM! He is on record admitting being responsible for the Gujarat killings and being humiliated by Karan Thapar. What you mean is Americas considers Hafiz to be a terrorist. Well, I consider America to be a terrorist state as well and so do hundreds of millions more. I am holding the Hindu fanatics who killed Pak people on the Samjhauta to be responsible and you have done nothing to punish them. Pak courts not Indian or American ones decide if Hafiz is guilty. I have repeated told you that pro India like PML-N will never take any action against India. Nawaz has business interests in India.

Modi admitted? Lmao send me source bro

It seems we have reached impasse, so lets agree to disagree. Now i get why India-Pakistan never will be friends, there is lot of animosity and trust issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Modi was also a worldwide recognised terrorist before he became PM! He is on record admitting being responsible for the Gujarat killings and being humiliated by Karan Thapar. What you mean is Americas considers Hafiz to be a terrorist. Well, I consider America to be a terrorist state as well and so do hundreds of millions more. I am holding the Hindu fanatics who killed Pak people on the Samjhauta to be responsible and you have done nothing to punish them. Pak courts not Indian or American ones decide if Hafiz is guilty. I have repeated told you that pro India like PML-N will never take any action against India. Nawaz has business interests in India.

Modi was a world wide recognised terrorist?LOL. Did UN put him on a sanction list?Cn you provide the link please?

Modi was exonerated by courts from any involvement in Gujarat riots. Btw Gujarat riots have nothing to do with Pakistan.

Hafeez is a UN sanctioned terrorist. He is a terrorist everywhere.

The US and UN sanctioned LeT terrorist Arif Usmani as the main planner and financier of Samjhauta Blast.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...ar-man-cites-his-samjhauta-blast-link/484480/

Here is the US press release:

https://www.webcitation.org/5iXZBzwtJ?url=http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/tg192.htm

Hafiz Saeed is accused of planning the death of 167 people from 17 different countries, so each of those countries have a stake in ensuring Hafiz Saeed is punished.

LOL.As if Nawaz runs Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We are already funding many separatist movements in India according to your own source and so are you.

If and when India retaliates it should be air game?

You can fund whatever you want, by and large the Baluch people are pro Pakistani.

We will if need be.

You will not see even one Indian flag in Baluchistan unlike IoK. Talk is cheap, you can't even get Kulbushan back for goodness sake what you on about?

I we start pumping money into Balochistan you will see all sorts of flags. Whether Kulbhusan lives or dies, either way Pakistan will end up paying a heavy price. The IWT will be toast.

Actually it is you who avoids war more then we do knowing any confrontation will take you 50 years behind. You have far more to lose then we do, remember that.

Ofcourse as the 5th largest economy and 2nd fastest or fastest growing economy we have more to lose than a country that recently required IMF bail out. But we also have more resources and can rachet up a arms race which will be very costly for Pakstan.

As for Kashmir it is disputed land under the UN, fact! It does not matter if you accept this as not as your Nehru did and that still stands. Don't blame the indigenous movement in IoK on us. Pak does not care about all the other zillions of separatist movements in India but is equally capable of causing trouble in IoK and other parts of India if you do not stop meddling in Baluchistan and CPEC.

UN has removed Kshmir from disputed list.

http://dunyanews.tv/en/World/34737--Jammu-and-Kashmir-no-more-on-UN-list-of-disputes

Your capabilities are limited by your economic size. India if it goes down that path, which should be the last resort can create more mayhem than Pakistan can imagine. There are many other ways of skinning the cat. Raising the cost of maintaining deterrence, IWT, are a few such ways.

Well I don't keep an eye out who is or is not discussing Kashmir. Let the Zionists ban whatever they want that will only make Pakistan stronger. I have always insisted that Pak should be totally dependent on itself, the UN is just another name for the USA. We do have to improve our foreign policy and diplomacy there is no doubt about that. I told you that NS being pro Indian will never go to the UN to make anti Indian statements although I believe he did do so a year or two back most likely due to military pressure. You should worry about all your own insurgencies and poverty instead of your obsession with us that will not get you anywhere. If you make trouble for us through Afghanistan then we will put IoK on fire as well. Now you are killing the Dalits as well.

NS did what Pakistan has been doing or 70 odd years. Cry in UN on Kashmir. No one bothered. You worry about your own security situation, economic issues, than worry about what is going on between Indian Kashmiris and Indians. We will retaliate as we deem fit to Pakistani provocations.

Worry about Pakistani Hindus, Christians, Ahmadis and leave Indians to India.

 

[PakLFC]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Air game?? We will also fund whatever we want and are doing so according to your own sources Na! We have a far bigger play ground to play in India with so many insurgencies. All Pak needs to do is set them on fire, Pak flags even seen in Assam for goodness sake! There will never be any Bharat flags in Baluchistan. According to many analysts your army can not fight for more then a week as they don't have the ammunition. I don't think your starving soldiers dare mess with Pak! Kashmir is a dispute and you know it, nice try! I am afraid you still need a zillion soldiers in the valley to bully them in to being Indians, some democracy ehh??

Thats is not the point!! You said NS has not spoken where as I proved he has! Just like you are begging the UN about Hafiz Saeed and "Pak terrorism" all the time when Pak hits back making you cry! Pak will hit you back very hard if you mess with us that your economy will go 100 years behind and you know that! This is despite being nine times bigger your establishment knows Pak is not Indonesia or a weak Arab country!

No doubt Pak can treat our minorities better but we don't burn them alive or ban their religious festivals. I don't want to mention your zillion separatist movements.

 

[PakLFC]

Modi was a world wide recognised terrorist?LOL. Did UN put him on a sanction list?Cn you provide the link please?

Modi was exonerated by courts from any involvement in Gujarat riots. Btw Gujarat riots have nothing to do with Pakistan.

Hafeez is a UN sanctioned terrorist. He is a terrorist everywhere.

The US and UN sanctioned LeT terrorist Arif Usmani as the main planner and financier of Samjhauta Blast.

http://archive.indianexpress.com/ne...ar-man-cites-his-samjhauta-blast-link/484480/

Here is the US press release:

https://www.webcitation.org/5iXZBzwtJ?url=http://www.ustreas.gov/press/releases/tg192.htm

Hafiz Saeed is accused of planning the death of 167 people from 17 different countries, so each of those countries have a stake in ensuring Hafiz Saeed is punished.

LOL.As if Nawaz runs Pakistan.

I don't care what the UN says! If you don't believe in the Kashmir resolution then I also dismiss what they say as well. Key word is "accused" when it comes to Hafiz where as Modi admitted it on TV. That is why he ran away from Karan Thapar. You saying Pak did the Samjhauta Express?, now you are being childish. Like it or not a terrorist is your PM, he is an embarrassment!

 

[PakLFC]

Modi admitted? Lmao send me source bro

It seems we have reached impasse, so lets agree to disagree. Now i get why India-Pakistan never will be friends, there is lot of animosity and trust issues.

You want me to provide a video from years back?? It was on some Indian show where the set depicts a court. What programme is that? He says that "I will do to Pakistan what I did in Gujarat. He was not the PM at the time. It could have been "Aap Ki Adalat"?

 

[PakLFC]

I am anti India not anti Hindu.

 

[PakLFC]

Indian economy is so great that 400 million live on the streets and an equal number have no toilets. Messing with Pak means 1947 all over for India. It will be the end of the Indian Union. Pak can create absolute chaos in India to unimaginable levels. India will explode from the outside and implode inwards with the Pak fauj doing them outside whilst all the insurgencies within will have a field day. Being smaller in size is actually beneficial to Pakista as it is much easier to protect it. This is why India's wars only happen on the internet!!

 

[PakLFC]

@ cricketjoshila

"Gujarat riots have nothing to do with Pakistan." We will make it our affair if you meddle on ours. Just mentioning it gets under your skin like no ones business!. India is like an open playground for Pak security forces and spies. I forgot how much I loved PP, it's good to be back after a while

 

[CanadianG00se]

You want me to provide a video from years back?? It was on some Indian show where the set depicts a court. What programme is that? He says that "I will do to Pakistan what I did in Gujarat. He was not the PM at the time. It could have been "Aap Ki Adalat"?

I highly doubt he would say that. But if he did im surprised opposition leaders never picked on it, heck im surprised mainstream media were completely silent on the issue. Anyways, Indian court found him not guilty and i will follow that judgement.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Indian economy is so great that 400 million live on the streets and an equal number have no toilets. Messing with Pak means 1947 all over for India. It will be the end of the Indian Union. Pak can create absolute chaos in India to unimaginable levels. India will explode from the outside and implode inwards with the Pak fauj doing them outside whilst all the insurgencies within will have a field day. Being smaller in size is actually beneficial to Pakista as it is much easier to protect it. This is why India's wars only happen on the internet!!

Its always good to wake up and smell coffee.

 

[PakLFC]

I highly doubt he would say that. But if he did im surprised opposition leaders never picked on it, heck im surprised mainstream media were completely silent on the issue. Anyways, Indian court found him not guilty and i will follow that judgement.

Then show the same judgement when Pak courts find Hafiz not guilty. I have found it! "Jo meine Gujarat mein kiya wo kar ke dikhata"

 

[PakLFC]

Its always good to wake up and smell coffee.

That is why you will never openly attack Pak coz our hero's drink proper milk