Pakistan's worst Test player that has played for a long time

[Kroll]

Knives are out for Shan Masood, despite debuting in 2013, still failing to impress and some deemed him as the worst player to represent Pakistan for this length of time.

A few other names banded about though like Shoaib Malik and Kami. There's also a few that start off great but fall off a cliff like Umar Akmal and Wahab Riaz.

 

[Mamoon]

It is the guy that [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] wants to make captain.

 

[Asif321]

Utter useless . Their is no way he should have been in T20 WC too

 

[Mamoon]

When you take the factors into consideration such as number of chances given, career highs & role in the team, Masood has no competition.

Malik played more Tests but he was also an all-rounder. He averages more than Masood & also bowled & was a great fielder.

Kamran played a lot more, but he was also a WK albeit a bad one, but his career highs (Mohali 2005, Karachi 2006) are far & beyond Masood’s highs. Those two innings are part of Pakistan cricket’s hall of fame, way better than anything Masood has ever conjured.

Umar has a better average & played less.

Wahab the bowler was better than Masood the batsman.

So based on the names mentioned in OP, the worst player to ever play Test cricket for Pakistan & for a substantial period of time is most certainly the guy [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] thinks should be captain.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Knives are out for Shan Masood, despite debuting in 2013, still failing to impress and some deemed him as the worst player to represent Pakistan for this length of time.

A few other names banded about though like Shoaib Malik and Kami. There's also a few that start off great but fall off a cliff like Umar Akmal and Wahab Riaz.

Umar Akmal played 16 tests, out of which 15 were outside Asia and he averaged 36. So he was not bad considering that most Asian batters of this generation average under 36 outside Asia.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Makes Imran Farhat looks like a superstar.

He did well in the T20 world cup however, showed good composure.

 

[greatest]

Mohammad Sami was very disappointing throughout his career.

 

[Mamoon]

I think Naseem Shah can be a really strong contender in the future. He is averaging 40 with the ball & if you exclude weak batting units of Sri Lanka & Bangladesh, that averages soars to 50.

He has already played 14 Tests & will play a lot more because of the talent quota, but those numbers are not getting any better.

The excuses are endless for now, but at some point, there will be no hiding from the fact that his numbers are disastrous.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Nothing more then a domestic Bully, plenty of those in every country. Most teams see sense and stop picking these players.

Just because a player regularly scores in domestics all time doesnt mean hes good enough for international cricket.

1) It shows how poor pakistani domestic cricket is
2) Has Shan actually shown any technical improvement or mental ones? No

Shan Masood should be the 1st Inductee into Pakistans Hall or shame, along with Azhar Ali, Muhammed Hafeez, Shoaib Malik and Muhammed Sami as these are the typical garbage players that have been used over last 20 years again and again.

 

[Concerned]

Masood has been around for over 10 years and is still to establish himself.

Similarly, Umar Akmal has also been around for a similar amount of time yet there are people wanting him back.

If anyone unable to make a mark in their first few years Pakistan should move on and not think they will be better in 10 years

 

[GLORY OF '92]

I'd say Rizwan will be the player looked at as the worst. His average will go below 30 soon and his fake appeals and piety are growing unpopular. Masood has won Pakistan a Test something which Rizwan hasn't. Also Masood didn't cost us 3 trophies.

 

[Justcrazy]

Hafeez , Malik , Farhat , Imran Nazir .

 

[GLORY OF '92]

Hafeez , Malik , Farhat , Imran Nazir .

Hafeez won us multiple Tests.

 

[ElRaja]

Hafeez won us multiple Tests.

he is criminally underrated amongst pak fans, in a very boring era he was the only aggressive test bat pak had. paks record in the UAE owes a lot to him.

 

[topspin]

Imran Farhat

 

[Zaz]

Mohd Sami avge of 50 plus as a seamer and played 30 odd tests for pakistan over a number of years

He only got worse and worse with every match he played

Ramiz raja would give him a good go as well Doesnt he have 2 test hundreds in 50 odd tests

 

[gazza619]

It is the guy that [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] wants to make captain.

I am not a fan of Shan but to be fair to him he should be opening the batting.

All the power boys in the cricket team get to choose their desired batting spots and whatever position is left is given to Shan. Shan has been sacrificed. Even in the T20 WC he was sent in the middle order but still he did better than others.

 

[Hawkeye]

Hafeez , Malik , Farhat , Imran Nazir .

lol no dude.

They're all a million times better than Shan Masood the batter.

 

[gazza619]

I'd say Rizwan will be the player looked at as the worst. His average will go below 30 soon and his fake appeals and piety are growing unpopular. Masood has won Pakistan a Test something which Rizwan hasn't. Also Masood didn't cost us 3 trophies.

Do you even know that Rizwan is a keeper.

Can you kindly google the averages of all keepers of Pakistan. Rizwan makes the team based on his classy keeping alone, never mind his batting.

 

[Mamoon]

I am not a fan of Shan but to be fair to him he should be opening the batting.

All the power boys in the cricket team get to choose their desired batting spots and whatever position is left is given to Shan. Shan has been sacrificed. Even in the T20 WC he was sent in the middle order but still he did better than others.

The last time he opened in a series, he averaged 2.50.

Regardless of where Shan bats, there is only one outcome: you know what.

 

[ssuhaide]

You guys have forgotten the all time great Ramiz Raja averaging 31 having played 57 test matches

 

[Rana]

Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Shan Masood
Salman Butt

Take your pick

 

[ArabKnight]

Without a once of a doubt.

The worst player is RAMIZ RAJA.

After 94 innings in Test cricket, this was his stats:

- Avg 31.83
- 2 100s
- 22 50s
- 7 Ducks

He opened 70% of the time. These are pathetic numbers for a top-order batsman.

In comparison, Shan Masood has these numbers after 50 innings (Opened 92% of the time):

- Avg 28.70
- 4 100s
- 6 50s
- 7 Ducks

Remember. Ramiz Raja’s stats are MASSIVELY INFLATED from Pakistani umpires who never gave him out whenever the ball knicked or hit the pads. His average could easily be sub-20s.

 

[MenInG]

Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Shan Masood
Salman Butt

Take your pick

Rizwan? I would have thought that name would be the first on your list?

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Remember how we used to think Taufeeq Umar was subpar? This was the time when Saeed Anwar was the yardstick. How times have changed.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I am not a fan of Shan but to be fair to him he should be opening the batting.

All the power boys in the cricket team get to choose their desired batting spots and whatever position is left is given to Shan. Shan has been sacrificed. Even in the T20 WC he was sent in the middle order but still he did better than others.

Opening is the most difficult job in test cricket. How is it going to help him regain his form?

 

[Rana]

Rizwan? I would have thought that name would be the first on your list?

Not yet

 

[Cric1234]

Umar Akmal was good compared to the batsmen we have had averaged 37 outside Asia only Younis I think was better during the last decade it’s obvious he was treated unfairly why isn’t he given 15 matches in Asia too?

 

[Kroll]

When Shan debuted, I remember there was some dude called Khuram Manzoor that opened alongside him. I'm not sure if he debuted as well but not been seen much since. Don't think he would do worse than Shan at this stage.

In fact there aren't many in Pak's test history that would do worse at this point regardless of how many games they've played. Shan is capable of a big knock, no joke he's done it before. I wonder if he's just lost it mentally?

 

[Hitman]

Rameez Raza, keeping in mind the quality of the Pak team during his time. An average of 31 in 59 Tests, with 2 centuries , that too against minnow Sri Lanka.

 

[Hitman]

Rameez Raza, keeping in mind the quality of the Pak team during his time. An average of 31 in 59 Tests, with 2 centuries , that too against minnow Sri Lanka.

Add to that, a third class average of 36 in 20 years of first class cricket.

 

[Rana]

Add to that, a third class average of 36 in 20 years of first class cricket.

What are you talking about? Those are ATG stats that warrant chairmanship according to Imran Khan

 

[Hitman]

What are you talking about? Those are ATG stats that warrant chairmanship according to Imran Khan

Even less talented players have played Test cricket for India. But none of them managed to play 59 bloody Test matches.

 

[zarak]

I think Naseem Shah can be a really strong contender in the future. He is averaging 40 with the ball & if you exclude weak batting units of Sri Lanka & Bangladesh, that averages soars to 50.

He has already played 14 Tests & will play a lot more because of the talent quota, but those numbers are not getting any better.

The excuses are endless for now, but at some point, there will be no hiding from the fact that his numbers are disastrous.

Haha you can't be serious, Naseem is a talented bowler. Lots of bowlers like Southee, Anderson, and Ishant Sharma had high averages and then brought them down. I feel he has good skills to succeed.

 

[moghul]

Knives are out for Shan Masood, despite debuting in 2013, still failing to impress and some deemed him as the worst player to represent Pakistan for this length of time.

A few other names banded about though like Shoaib Malik and Kami. There's also a few that start off great but fall off a cliff like Umar Akmal and Wahab Riaz.

I think Imran Farhat deserved that unwanted medal .

Faheem Ashraf might replace him , if he continues to have more chances .

I think Hafiz also had too long a career than he deserved.

 

[moghul]

One posters battle with very talented young fast bowler Naseem is only personal . Naseem Shah will be back bone of Pakistan fast bowling for many years to come.

 

[moghul]

Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Shan Masood
Salman Butt

Take your pick

Salman Butt ??? are you serious ? he was a very good opening batsman until he messed up with match fixing.

 

[moghul]

Rameez Raza, keeping in mind the quality of the Pak team during his time. An average of 31 in 59 Tests, with 2 centuries , that too against minnow Sri Lanka.

Do you have any idea the quality of bowling he had to face as an opener during his time ?

 

[Hitman]

Do you have any idea the quality of bowling he had to face as an opener during his time ?

Absolutely. I saw him play during the last few years of his career. The guy had basically zero talent.

 

[moghul]

Absolutely. I saw him play during the last few years of his career. The guy had basically zero talent.

Watch his matching winning inning at Melbourne 1985 against a Wes Indian attack composed of Marshal, Holding , Garner and Winston Davis . No ordinary player can play that kind of an inning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIWlPPlfsyo

 

[Hitman]

Watch his matching winning inning at Melbourne 1985 against a Wes Indian attack composed of Marshal, Holding , Garner and Winston Davis . No ordinary player can play that kind of an inning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIWlPPlfsyo

LOL, bring something up other than JAMODI's. Scoring a 60 against the West Indies of that time that too in an meaningless ODI match is an indication of talent?

 

[Rana]

Mohammad Sami might actually be that guy

85 wickets in 36 matches @52

That’s like 1.3 wickets per innings

 

[moghul]

LOL, bring something up other than JAMODI's. Scoring a 60 against the West Indies of that time that too in an meaningless ODI match is an indication of talent?

Thanks to google, everyone is expert in cricket now a days, good for you. I guess I'm discussing cricket with a wrong person.

 

[jeetu]

Pakistan's Test batsman (position 1-6) min 50 tests
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Runs [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]100 [/td][td]50 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Javed Miandad [/td][td]1976-1993 [/td][td]123 [/td][td]8768 [/td][td]52.5 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]42 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Yousuf [/td][td]1998-2010 [/td][td]90 [/td][td]7520 [/td][td]52.22 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]33 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Younis Khan [/td][td]2000-2017 [/td][td]118 [/td][td]9899 [/td][td]51.55 [/td][td]33 [/td][td]32 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Inzamam-ul-Haq [/td][td]1992-2007 [/td][td]115 [/td][td]8245 [/td][td]49.07 [/td][td]24 [/td][td]43 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Misbah-ul-Haq [/td][td]2001-2017 [/td][td]75 [/td][td]5106 [/td][td]46.41 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Anwar [/td][td]1990-2001 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]4021 [/td][td]45.69 [/td][td]11 [/td][td]25 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saleem Malik [/td][td]1982-1999 [/td][td]99 [/td][td]5600 [/td][td]45.16 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]27 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Hanif Mohammad [/td][td]1952-1969 [/td][td]54 [/td][td]3876 [/td][td]44.55 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]15 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Zaheer Abbas [/td][td]1969-1985 [/td][td]78 [/td][td]4958 [/td][td]43.87 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]19 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Azhar Ali [/td][td]2010-2022 [/td][td]97 [/td][td]7142 [/td][td]42.26 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asif Iqbal [/td][td]1964-1980 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]3084 [/td][td]41.12 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mushtaq Mohammad [/td][td]1960-1979 [/td][td]51 [/td][td]3363 [/td][td]41.01 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Majid Khan [/td][td]1965-1983 [/td][td]60 [/td][td]3707 [/td][td]38.61 [/td][td]7 [/td][td]18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Asad Shafiq [/td][td]2010-2020 [/td][td]77 [/td][td]4512 [/td][td]38.56 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mudassar Nazar [/td][td]1976-1989 [/td][td]73 [/td][td]4085 [/td][td]38.17 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]17 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mohammad Hafeez [/td][td]2003-2018 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]3652 [/td][td]37.64 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]12 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ijaz Ahmed [/td][td]1987-2001 [/td][td]56 [/td][td]3123 [/td][td]37.62 [/td][td]12 [/td][td]10 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Ramiz Raja [/td][td]1984-1997 [/td][td]57 [/td][td]2827 [/td][td]31.76 [/td][td]2 [/td][td]22 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[jeetu]

Pakistan's Test bowlers (min 10000 balls)
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]Player [/td][td]Span [/td][td]Mat [/td][td]Wkts [/td][td]Avg [/td][td]Econ [/td][td]SR [/td][td]5W [/td][td]10W [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Imran Khan [/td][td]1971-1992 [/td][td]88 [/td][td]362 [/td][td]22.81 [/td][td]2.54 [/td][td]53.7 [/td][td]23 [/td][td]6 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Waqar Younis [/td][td]1989-2003 [/td][td]87 [/td][td]373 [/td][td]23.56 [/td][td]3.25 [/td][td]43.4 [/td][td]22 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Wasim Akram [/td][td]1985-2002 [/td][td]104 [/td][td]414 [/td][td]23.62 [/td][td]2.59 [/td][td]54.6 [/td][td]25 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saeed Ajmal [/td][td]2009-2014 [/td][td]35 [/td][td]178 [/td][td]28.1 [/td][td]2.58 [/td][td]65.1 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]4 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Iqbal Qasim [/td][td]1976-1988 [/td][td]50 [/td][td]171 [/td][td]28.11 [/td][td]2.21 [/td][td]76.1 [/td][td]8 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Saqlain Mushtaq [/td][td]1995-2004 [/td][td]49 [/td][td]208 [/td][td]29.83 [/td][td]2.64 [/td][td]67.6 [/td][td]13 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Yasir Shah [/td][td]2014-2022 [/td][td]48 [/td][td]244 [/td][td]31.38 [/td][td]3.22 [/td][td]58.4 [/td][td]16 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Sarfraz Nawaz [/td][td]1969-1984 [/td][td]55 [/td][td]177 [/td][td]32.75 [/td][td]2.49 [/td][td]78.8 [/td][td]4 [/td][td]1 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Abdul Qadir [/td][td]1977-1990 [/td][td]67 [/td][td]236 [/td][td]32.8 [/td][td]2.71 [/td][td]72.5 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]5 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Mushtaq Ahmed [/td][td]1990-2003 [/td][td]52 [/td][td]185 [/td][td]32.97 [/td][td]2.92 [/td][td]67.7 [/td][td]10 [/td][td]3 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Danish Kaneria [/td][td]2000-2010 [/td][td]61 [/td][td]261 [/td][td]34.79 [/td][td]3.07 [/td][td]67.8 [/td][td]15 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]Intikhab Alam [/td][td]1959-1977 [/td][td]47 [/td][td]125 [/td][td]35.95 [/td][td]2.57 [/td][td]83.7 [/td][td]5 [/td][td]2 [/td][/tr]
[/table]

 

[ghaint]

All the match fixers (some alleged) - Wasim akram, salim Malik etc. they played a long time and probably did more damage than is known.

 

[Ahmed216]

It is the guy that [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] wants to make captain.

As ridiculous a suggestion as Rana bhai backing Asif Ali for leadership

 

[amvbfm]

If you just go by pure numbers then with a cutoff of 20 matches played the only two pure batsmen with a batting average worse than Shan are Asif Mujtaba and Faisal Iqbal (ignoring Wallis Mathias and Alimuddin as they played in a different era). Even if Shan is not the worst to have ever played for Pakistan he is not far behind. What's also interesting are the FC stats for these players. Mujtaba scored almost 18,000 runs @ 50 over his FC career so there was definitely a reason he was given an extended run. Faisal and Shan on the other hand average about 40 and 38 respectively (and Shan's numbers have improved recently due to his good form) and there were a number of other players on the domestic scene who scored more heavily than them but were not given extended runs. The reasons I guess are well known.

In terms of bowling I don't even have to look up the stats, its Mohammad Sami by a distance. He is probably not just the worst performer for Pakistan but is right up there as one of the worst performers ever in test cricket.

 

[Kroll]

Mohammad Sami might actually be that guy

85 wickets in 36 matches @52

That’s like 1.3 wickets per innings

Sami is a strange case. One of the fastest bowlers in history yet pretty mediocre test record. Maybe as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] constantly says, perhaps too short and not extracting enough bounce to trouble the batsmen on the stock deliveries.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge about this could chime in and explain why he struggled?

 

[Kroll]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] why is Sami a candidate for worst Test player from Pakistan given the length of time he was around?

 

[Loralai]

Those who saw Ramiz play will know how awful he could be - he should never have played 57 Test matches - and his position meant that several deserving players were unable to get the extended chance they deserved.

 

[TheSultan]

LOL, bring something up other than JAMODI's. Scoring a 60 against the West Indies of that time that too in an meaningless ODI match is an indication of talent?

Not to argue Rambo’s case in any way, but that was a semi final of the World Championship of cricket (mini World Cup like a Champions Trophy - not a JAMODI) and that the particular innings was a great one. So he did have some ability but never did much else.

 

[jeetu]

Watch his matching winning inning at Melbourne 1985 against a Wes Indian attack composed of Marshal, Holding , Garner and Winston Davis . No ordinary player can play that kind of an inning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIWlPPlfsyo

That inning was the first time , he grabbed attention on World stage. It was a Semi Final match of an important tournament. However the followup to that was pretty ordinary.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Judging by the amount of hate he gets, it has to be Babar Azam.

 

[Kroll]

Judging by the amount of hate he gets, it has to be Babar Azam.

Candidate for worst captain maybe after that brain fade.

 

[Hawkeye]

You guys have forgotten the all time great Ramiz Raja averaging 31 having played 57 test matches

I guess he was also in the team because of his English.

 

[JibranAnsari]

ramiz raja
shan masood
salman butt

top 3 i think.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Hafeez , Malik , Farhat , Imran Nazir .

Are you sure about Hafeez ? He has been outstanding despite limited capabilities.

 

[sam_ahm]

When you take the factors into consideration such as number of chances given, career highs & role in the team, Masood has no competition.

Malik played more Tests but he was also an all-rounder. He averages more than Masood & also bowled & was a great fielder.

Kamran played a lot more, but he was also a WK albeit a bad one, but his career highs (Mohali 2005, Karachi 2006) are far & beyond Masood’s highs. Those two innings are part of Pakistan cricket’s hall of fame, way better than anything Masood has ever conjured.

Umar has a better average & played less.

Wahab the bowler was better than Masood the batsman.

So based on the names mentioned in OP, the worst player to ever play Test cricket for Pakistan & for a substantial period of time is most certainly the guy [MENTION=147292]RedwoodOriginal[/MENTION] thinks should be captain.

That's a very good post. People have unnecessary hatred for Kamran, while I do agree that he was a poor Wicket Keeper, but as a batsman he was better than most of the current lot. Very rightly put, Mohali 2005 and Karachi 2006 are part of Pakistan cricket's hall of fame, esp because those were against India in incredibly high pressure games... Those knocks are well out of reach of many current Pakistan batters.

Other than that I've seen Kamran play some incredibly good knocks in ODI cricket, which I cannot see the current set of batters replicating. Yes Kamran was a terrible WK, but with the bat he was quite good.

On topic, it is Shan Masood hands down.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Sami is a strange case. One of the fastest bowlers in history yet pretty mediocre test record. Maybe as [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] constantly says, perhaps too short and not extracting enough bounce to trouble the batsmen on the stock deliveries.

Perhaps someone with more knowledge about this could chime in and explain why he struggled?

He struggled because he had zero intelligence, never worked to a game plan to soften a batsmen up and then get him out. The guy simply ran in and hoped for the best, bowled at least 1 or 2 Boundary balls an over. Definitely the 1st bowler to go into Pakistans Hall of Shame alomg with Shan Masood.

 

[Mamoon]

Haha you can't be serious, Naseem is a talented bowler. Lots of bowlers like Southee, Anderson, and Ishant Sharma had high averages and then brought them down. I feel he has good skills to succeed.

Mohammad Sami was talented too. In fact, he was way more talented than Naseem. In terms of talent, Naseem is not fit to lace his boots.

Unfortunately, talent does not matter. Execution does. In terms of execution, Naseem has been a joke of a bowler in Test format.

If he continues like this & if his next 14 Tests are even half as bad as his first 14 Tests, he will be a very strong contender for the worst Pakistani Test player tag.

I just hope that from this point onwards, we see actual performances rather than excuses & denial.

 

[Mamoon]

One posters battle with very talented young fast bowler Naseem is only personal . Naseem Shah will be back bone of Pakistan fast bowling for many years to come.

If a guy who averages 40 with the ball will be the backbone of Pakistan then Pakistan will never be able to leave a wheelchair.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you have any idea the quality of bowling he had to face as an opener during his time ?

Most teams have better bowling attacks today. You will reach to the same conclusion if you do a team by team comparison. Only 2-3 Test nations have worse attacks now than they did between 1984 & 1997.

Ramiz was a terrible player. As bad as Masood & if he played today, he would not be any better than Masood.

 

[WengerOut]

Imran Farhat
Faisal Iqbal
Shan Masood
Salman Butt

Take your pick

Salman Butt did score some runs against the mighty Aussies if i am not mistaken.

 

[James]

I can understand why some posters would mention Salman Butt, but he could be a pretty good batsman at times IMO.

 

[moghul]

Hafeez won us multiple Tests.

Really , which one ? and how many times he failed in 20 years , almost always.

 

[moghul]

If a guy who averages 40 with the ball will be the backbone of Pakistan then Pakistan will never be able to leave a wheelchair.

FGS, kid is just 19 and already has 5fer in test , ODI, FC and list A . I think he is one of the most talented young fast bowler in the world. Only concern is the captain like Babar and the pinhead selectors don't know how and when to use him.

 

[moghul]

Most teams have better bowling attacks today. You will reach to the same conclusion if you do a team by team comparison. Only 2-3 Test nations have worse attacks now than they did between 1984 & 1997.

Ramiz was a terrible player. As bad as Masood & if he played today, he would not be any better than Masood.

If a 4 pronged pace attack comprised of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Winston Davis was not one of the ATG then which one was . I know they played before your time and its hard for you to compare them with bowlers of today . Certainly , currently we're not in the golden age of fast bowling , neither the golden age of tests and ODIs.

You can't compare today's trundlers with the fastmen of 80s ,including Lillee, Thomo, Marshal, Holding, Roberts, Garner , Clark, Croft, Botham , Imran, Akram , Hadlee, and so many, no comparison . Not toomamny opening batsmen were successful on those days , very few from Pakistan .

 

[Mamoon]

FGS, kid is just 19 and already has 5fer in test , ODI, FC and list A . I think he is one of the most talented young fast bowler in the world. Only concern is the captain like Babar and the pinhead selectors don't know how and when to use him.

You cannot be 19 in 2022 when you were 16 in 2016. Naseem Shah is 22-23, same age as Shaheen & way inferior in every facet. His official age is fake.

 

[Rana]

Salman Butt did score some runs against the mighty Aussies if i am not mistaken.

So did Faisal Iqbal once

Shan Masood’s 150 at Old Trafford was an excellent innings

 

[Ami]

There are so many that I've come across over the years...here is an all time (well a recent) line up

IMRAN FARHAT
Salman Butt
YASIR HAMEED
Hasan Raza
Faisal Iqbal
Shoaib Malik

Kamran Akmal

Wahab Riaz
Mohd Sami
Zahid Mahmood
Shabbir Ahmed

12th Man
Shan Masood

 

[Hawkeye]

So did Faisal Iqbal once

Shan Masood’s 150 at Old Trafford was an excellent innings

Nah man. Salman Butt and Iqbal weren't as bad as Masood.

First - they're ahead when it comes to batting averages.

Second, both had a lot more cricketing shots and talent than Masood does.

 

[Mamoon]

If a 4 pronged pace attack comprised of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Winston Davis was not one of the ATG then which one was . I know they played before your time and its hard for you to compare them with bowlers of today . Certainly , currently we're not in the golden age of fast bowling , neither the golden age of tests and ODIs.

You can't compare today's trundlers with the fastmen of 80s ,including Lillee, Thomo, Marshal, Holding, Roberts, Garner , Clark, Croft, Botham , Imran, Akram , Hadlee, and so many, no comparison . Not toomamny opening batsmen were successful on those days , very few from Pakistan .

You clearly missed what I said.

I said apart from 2-3, all teams have better attacks today than they did in 1984 to 1997, the era in which Ramiz played.

West Indies is clearly one of those teams. They had ATG attack in the 80s & they were great in the 90s too with Ambrose, Walsh & Bishop.

Apart from them, perhaps South Africa had a slightly better attack too but it is highly debatable. Pakistan obviously had a much better attack but I didn’t include them because Ramiz didn’t face them.

Australia, India, New Zealand & England had better attacks in 2010s & 2020s than they did from 1984 to 1997.

 

[RyanRyan10]

If a 4 pronged pace attack comprised of Marshall, Garner, Holding and Winston Davis was not one of the ATG then which one was . I know they played before your time and its hard for you to compare them with bowlers of today . Certainly , currently we're not in the golden age of fast bowling , neither the golden age of tests and ODIs.

You can't compare today's trundlers with the fastmen of 80s ,including Lillee, Thomo, Marshal, Holding, Roberts, Garner , Clark, Croft, Botham , Imran, Akram , Hadlee, and so many, no comparison . Not toomamny opening batsmen were successful on those days , very few from Pakistan .

Most names you mentioned here are of WI bowlers and WI clearly had better attack then.

Pak also had a better attack but we are here discussing Pakistan's opponents.

Ramiz never faced Lillee and Thomo. Lillee retired in 1984 (2 months before Ramiz's debut) while Thomo retired in 1985. Aus had some good bowlers in that period but as a unit, their current line up is better.

NZ has Hadlee, who was exceptional and no Kiwi bowler of this generation is as good as him but Hadlee's support bowlers were average. The current unit might be stronger.

Botham had his peak in late 70s and early 80s. He declined from 1982 and averaged 37 in his last 58 tests. On the other hand, Anderson has got better with age. England of late 80s and 90s was a very weak side.

Then India's current bowling line up is way better than India of that era. SL were a minnow then and they started improving around 1995.

Only other team which might have had better bowling line up in Ramiz's time would be SA.

 

[amit]

Just saw Adnan Akmal played 21 Tests despite averaging 29 in FC and 24 in Tests

There would have been many better WKs in Pakistan in the time when Adnan Akmal was playing. Then how come such a mediocre player got to play 21 Tests

 

[Markhor]

Faisal Iqbal. Had his uncle's attitude but none of the ability.

 

[PakPremi]

There are so many that I've come across over the years...here is an all time (well a recent) line up

IMRAN FARHAT
Salman Butt
YASIR HAMEED
Hasan Raza
Faisal Iqbal
Shoaib Malik

Kamran Akmal

Wahab Riaz
Mohd Sami
Zahid Mahmood
Shabbir Ahmed

12th Man
Shan Masood

Shabir Ahmed and Wahab Riaz were good bowlers, and Yasir Hameed was not bad either. Off spinner Bilal was pretty poor.

 

[Rana]

Just saw Adnan Akmal played 21 Tests despite averaging 29 in FC and 24 in Tests

There would have been many better WKs in Pakistan in the time when Adnan Akmal was playing. Then how come such a mediocre player got to play 21 Tests

Adnan Akmal was the best keeper out of the 3 Akmal bros

 

[RyanRyan10]

Shabir Ahmed and Wahab Riaz were good bowlers, and Yasir Hameed was not bad either. Off spinner Bilal was pretty poor.

Shabbir Ahmed averaged 23 and played only 10 tests. He has done nothing to deserve a place in that line up.

 

[Barragan]

Easily shafiq.

To play for a decade, that too in the UAE and at one the easiest spots at 6 - then proceed to have done nothing is absolutely criminal.

With Azhar atleast he did something substantial and was a top 5 batsman in the world at one point.

shafiq pretty much wasted a decade of Pak cricket.