Despite a 3-0 loss to Australia, this series has made Pakistan a better Test side

[Romali_rotti]

Warne & Mcgrath combo would be too much for the current Australian kids. They would be blown away within a matter of 30-40 overs in a test match.

If we remove, Warne & Mcgrath, it becomes more competitive, however still would get beaten soundly with a combo of Gillespie/Lee, Stuart McGill etc.

If you remove, Warne, Mcgrath, Damien Martyn & Gilly, then the current Australian kids are in with a chance to win depending on how the umpires calls would go.

That Australian team of the early to mid 2000s was the greatest test side ever assembled, OP just wanted to say the current Australian side is the greatest to make his Pakistani team look better, that is all.

accept reality, Pakistan cannot play in AUS, then, in the middle, now, god knows when they will draw a test match here, let alone win one.

 

[VForVendetta]

Any Australian team with McGrath and Warne will be the GOAT Aussie team

Hayden+Langer>> Warner+Khawaja

Ponting>>Labushange

Smith>> Damien Martyn

Symonds, Hussey>> Head+Marsh

Gilchrist>>Carey

Warne>>Lyon

McGrath>>Hazlewood

Cummins>> Lee

Starc>>Gillespie

Overall…

Langer
Hayden
Ponting
Smith
Symonds
Hussey
Gilchrist
Warne
Cummins
Starc
McGrath

That’s 8-3 to the Australian team of the 2000s

I am curious on Starc>> Gillespie. What makes Starc better over a guy who was exceptional in Ind, pretty good in SA & just about as average as Starc has been in Eng. Starc has done little to nothing against the big boys whenever he tours them.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This series definitely has some positives, to be honest. The rise of Aamer Jamal was something you would have loved to see. Yes Pakistan lost due to poor fielding in my opinion but we did some things right that made us look on top of Australia during some sessions.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Labuschagne might not be better than Hussey in tests as of now but that's just bcoz of Husseys sample size, Labuschagne is well on his way to surpass Hussey coz he wasn't a great of the game, Hussey and Labuschagne are similar in so many aspects, both are great mostly in Aus

Warne & Mcgrath combo would be too much for the current Australian kids. They would be blown away within a matter of 30-40 overs in a test match.

If we remove, Warne & Mcgrath, it becomes more competitive, however still would get beaten soundly with a combo of Gillespie/Lee, Stuart McGill etc.

If you remove, Warne, Mcgrath, Damien Martyn & Gilly, then the current Australian kids are in with a chance to win depending on how the umpires calls would go.

That Australian team of the early to mid 2000s was the greatest test side ever assembled, OP just wanted to say the current Australian side is the greatest to make his Pakistani team look better, 'hey we lost because this is the greatest Australian side rhetoric' that is all.

Stop being a sour grape and accept reality, Pakistan cannot play in AUS, then, in the middle, now, god knows when they will draw a test match here, let alone win one.

Without Warne and Mcgrath Australia wasn't able to defeat our Indian team of 2003, that was a team having terrible bowlers.

Compare that to Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins, if you are making hyperboles there's still a limit upto which you can go.

Smith is arguably the greatest test batsman since bradman, if he is not able to face Mcgrath and Warne then how did lesser batsman than him do that? (Sehwag, Laxman etc)

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic. No need to discuss the India and Australia teams here. Else we have other thread available for this conversation. All irrelevant posts will be removed now.

 

[Rana]

I am curious on Starc>> Gillespie. What makes Starc better over a guy who was exceptional in Ind, pretty good in SA & just about as average as Starc has been in Eng. Starc has done little to nothing against the big boys whenever he tours them.

I think when you leave out Brett Lee to pick McGrath and Cummins as 2 seamers, you are better off having the express pace of Starc and the left arm angle. Plus the genuine threat of the inswing with the new ball against top order right handers. But if you think Gillespie is ahead of Starc, there isn’t anything wrong in this view either as per se.

It still doesn’t change the fact that the 2000s team was definitely stronger than this Australian side which is no doubt a great side also.

 

[Mamoon]

Not only Gilchrist and Warne, do you think anyone from current Australian side can replace Macgrath, Ponting and Hayden? I don't think Smith or Warner are better than Ponting and Hayden and Cummins also can't replace Macgrath.

In Tests, Smith and Warner are better than Ponting and Hayden.

McGrath is surely better than Cummins but the gap isn’t that massive. The gap between Warne and Lyon is significantly bigger than the gap between McGrath and Cummins.

 

[Technics 1210]

The only positive out of this series is the captaincy. Yup I am prepared to eat humble pie, but Shan Masood’s captaincy has been a breath of fresh air.

As for Smith > Ponting, this delusion sits in the same category as Imam > Dravid, Panesar > Warne, Sidebottom > Akram, 8K > SD, and yes, Arteta > Wenger!

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The only positive out of this series is the captaincy. Yup I am prepared to eat humble pie, but Shan Masood’s captaincy has been a breath of fresh air.

As for Smith > Ponting, this delusion sits in the same category as Imam > Dravid, Panesar > Warne, Sidebottom > Akram, 8K > SD, and yes, Arteta > Wenger!

Yeah, sidebottom vs Akram is same as Smith vs Ponting. Please educate us on this

 

[Mamoon]

The only positive out of this series is the captaincy. Yup I am prepared to eat humble pie, but Shan Masood’s captaincy has been a breath of fresh air.

As for Smith > Ponting, this delusion sits in the same category as Imam > Dravid, Panesar > Warne, Sidebottom > Akram, 8K > SD, and yes, Arteta > Wenger!

Just Technics gems.

If Ponting had half the skill, technique and application of Smith against spin bowling, he would probably have been as good as Tendulkar and Lara in Test cricket.

 

[Romali_rotti]

In Tests, Smith and Warner are better than Ponting and Hayden.

McGrath is surely better than Cummins but the gap isn’t that massive. The gap between Warne and Lyon is significantly bigger than the gap between McGrath and Cummins.

Smith I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt over Ponting but Hayden has stood out in India so he is better than Warner.

 

[Mamoon]

Smith I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt over Ponting but Hayden has stood out in India so he is better than Warner.

Hayden himself failed in a lot of countries. He was average in England against inferior English bowling attacks. He would have struggled against prime Anderson and Broad more than Warner. Couldn’t play the moving ball to save his life.

Hayden was definitely quality in India and Warner always struggled there and based on that, if anyone rates Hayden higher I’m okay with the that, but both were very similar in a lot of aspects especially they way they imposed themselves on the opposition on flat decks but Warner took it to a different level.

 

[Chip32]

Well it was more competitive than many expected it to be, but I think that is more so a reflection of this aging Australian side rather than anything on Pakistan's part. Never the less, Australia suffer another moral loss.

 

[Technics 1210]

Just Technics gems.

If Ponting had half the skill, technique and application of Smith against spin bowling, he would probably have been as good as Tendulkar and Lara in Test cricket.

So what you are saying is Smith is better than Lara/Tendulkar, cos Smith played spin better than Ponting. LOL!

Smith is a batsman, Ponting was a cricketer. Learn the difference.

Though you are correct, Smith had one skill that Ponting could never dream of - Sand-papering.

These Generation Z folk.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

with such humiliated series loss how a team can get better?

yeah that was a learning curve but nothing to take it as an achievement

 

[Mamoon]

So what you are saying is Smith is better than Lara/Tendulkar, cos Smith played spin better than Ponting. LOL!

Smith is a batsman, Ponting was a cricketer. Learn the difference.

Though you are correct, Smith had one skill that Ponting could never dream of - Sand-papering.

These Generation Z folk.

Smith is a batsman but Ponting was a cricketer because a batsman is not a cricketer. He is a batsman.

A striker is not a footballer. He is a striker.

As I said, just Technics gems.

Smith is absolutely a better Test batsman than both Tendulkar and Lara and I watched both. Only a person enslaved by nostalgia will deny the fact that Smith is the best Test batsman since Don.

However, if you take both Tests and ODIs into account, Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting are all well ahead of Smith.

Ergo, Smith is not a better batsman than those three but he is certainly a better Test batsman.

 

[Sher Khan]

Smith is a batsman but Ponting was a cricketer because a batsman is not a cricketer. He is a batsman.

A striker is not a footballer. He is a striker.

As I said, just Technics gems.

Smith is absolutely a better Test batsman than both Tendulkar and Lara and I watched both. Only a person enslaved by nostalgia will deny the fact that Smith is the best Test batsman since Don.

However, if you take both Tests and ODIs into account, Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting are all well ahead of Smith.

Ergo, Smith is not a better batsman than those three but he is certainly a better Test batsman.

I strongly disagree. Smith has barely been challenged by quality bowling in his test career. The only time a quality test bowler(Archer) faced him, Smith looked like a rabbit in the headlights and was eventually bounced out concussed.

Smith clearly has a short ball issue and NZ mercilessly exploited that in a test series down under. Ponting could hook and pull short balls for fun all day.

No comparison between Smith and any of Ponting, Lara or Tendulkar.

 

[AMSS]

I strongly disagree. Smith has barely been challenged by quality bowling in his test career. The only time a quality test bowler(Archer) faced him, Smith looked like a rabbit in the headlights and was eventually bounced out concussed.

Smith clearly has a short ball issue and NZ mercilessly exploited that in a test series down under. Ponting could hook and pull short balls for fun all day.

No comparison between Smith and any of Ponting, Lara or Tendulkar.

Smith has played in a bowler friendly era with batting averages comparable to 90s. He's already done enough to be mentioned alongside Sachins and Pontings AFA tests are concerned although rating him indisputably above them is also hyperbole.

There is literally NO gaps in SPD's test batting resume. The only thing that stops me from anointing him as greatest since Don is the fact that he needs to keep up his current numbers for at least 50 tests more.

 

[Jazx]

In Tests, Smith and Warner are better than Ponting and Hayden.

McGrath is surely better than Cummins but the gap isn’t that massive. The gap between Warne and Lyon is significantly bigger than the gap between McGrath and Cummins.

Maybe, its your opinion. But I think Ponting and Hayden were far better and McGrath too than Cummins. Yes, agree about Warne and Lyon as Warne was miles ahead than him.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Maybe, its your opinion. But I think Ponting and Hayden were far better and McGrath too than Cummins. Yes, agree about Warne and Lyon as Warne was miles ahead than him.

It's not a matter of opinion, Smith has played in a bowling friendly era and still had the best peak after Bradman. Has a great record everywhere unlike ponting

 

[Jazx]

It's not a matter of opinion, Smith has played in a bowling friendly era and still had the best peak after Bradman. Has a great record everywhere unlike ponting

Okay so this bowling freindly era and Ponting and hayden played in more favorable conditions. Hearing this for first time.

 

[JattMaula]

Okay so this bowling freindly era and Ponting and hayden played in more favorable conditions. Hearing this for first time.

It's true. Aughts was a relatively batting friendly decade in tests.

And current ear is the most bowling friendly era in modern test cricket.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Okay so this bowling freindly era and Ponting and hayden played in more favorable conditions. Hearing this for first time.

It is. 2000s was the era of flat roads, while the current one is a bowling friendly one. This has been statistically proven.

 

[AMSS]

Okay so this bowling freindly era and Ponting and hayden played in more favorable conditions. Hearing this for first time.

First time? lol

like statpadder said, 2000s were the era of flattest decks and cheapest runs. Look it up. Highest Runs per wicket in the decade from 2000-2010 - EVER.

 

[Jazx]

First time? lol

like statpadder said, 2000s were the era of flattest decks and cheapest runs. Look it up. Highest Runs per wicket in the decade from 2000-2010 - EVER.

Test match pitches are relatively almost same whatever the decade was. 2000s have some of the ATGs playing all together in one era. It may look like a bowling freindly era to you because nowadays most of the batsmans are in a t20 mindset and whenever they are tested in a little bit of bowling friendly conditions they are exposed. So, its not about the pitches, its the difference in quality of batting.

 

[Jazx]

First time? lol

like statpadder said, 2000s were the era of flattest decks and cheapest runs. Look it up. Highest Runs per wicket in the decade from 2000-2010 - EVER.

Test match pitches are relatively almost same whatever the decade was. 2000s have some of the ATGs playing all together in one era. It may look like a bowling freindly era to you because nowadays most of the batsmans are in a t20 mindset and whenever they are tested in a little bit of bowling friendly conditions they are exposed. So, its not about the pitches, its the

It is. 2000s was the era of flat roads, while the current one is a bowling friendly one. This has been statistically proven.

difference in quality of batting.

It is. 2000s was the era of flat roads, while the current one is a bowling friendly one. This has been statistically proven.

In the next decade or 2 you will again say that the current era was batting freindly and new era is more difficult for batting. Its not about the pictches, they were always same in test matches depending on weather and other conditions of any country. Difference is in quality of batting nowadays. Most of them don't want to play test cricket, they just want money from t20 leagues. Those t20 flat pitches and shorter boundaries have limited them to grow as a quality batsmans. Quality of batting has declined and it will get more and more in the coming years.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Test match pitches are relatively almost same whatever the decade was. 2000s have some of the ATGs playing all together in one era. It may look like a bowling freindly era to you because nowadays most of the batsmans are in a t20 mindset and whenever they are tested in a little bit of bowling friendly conditions they are exposed. So, its not about the pitches, its the


difference in quality of batting.

In the next decade or 2 you will again say that the current era was batting freindly and new era is more difficult for batting. Its not about the pictches, they were always same in test matches depending on weather and other conditions of any country. Difference is in quality of batting nowadays. Most of them don't want to play test cricket, they just want money from t20 leagues. Those t20 flat pitches and shorter boundaries have limited them to grow as a quality batsmans. Quality of batting has declined and it will get more and more in the coming years.

Your argument is an emotional one, with no basis in reality.

Cricket fans are the only group of people who seem to believe the quality of those involved in the game has reduced despite the massive advances, and contrary to decades of sporting history.

Pitches in the 2000s were absolute flat roads, which lead to a huge amount of drab draws.
In the last few years, we have seen some of the most result oriented pitches in history.
In India, back in the 2000s, we used to have flat pancakes, while in the last few years we have seen rank turners where the ball spins from day one.

And ponting nothing close to what Smith did in India 2017 or ashes 2019.

 

[Jazx]

Your argument is an emotional one, with no basis in reality.

Cricket fans are the only group of people who seem to believe the quality of those involved in the game has reduced despite the massive advances, and contrary to decades of sporting history.

Pitches in the 2000s were absolute flat roads, which lead to a huge amount of drab draws.
In the last few years, we have seen some of the most result oriented pitches in history.
In India, back in the 2000s, we used to have flat pancakes, while in the last few years we have seen rank turners where the ball spins from day one.

And ponting nothing close to what Smith did in India 2017 or ashes 2019.

You have no idea about on what kind of pitches Indian team are playing at home over the last 30 years or so. They are playing on rank turners since ages and the batsmans India have during those days were the best players against spin. Thats the reason during those days they were called as lions at home and loosers overseas. Even shane warne was unable to have any impact against them on indian soil. And on the other end India even used to play with only one seamer in some of the home test matches, just to tackle few overs with new ball.

 

[BouncerGuy]

If you guys look at the title, it says something about Pakistan only. Why indian pitches are being discussed here? what does Smith pointing comparison has to do with Pakistan's test side or recent 3-0 defeat?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

So OP, is this still, arguably, a better Test side than the great OZ side of the 00's considering they couldn't beat and inexperienced West Indies side at home ?

Any explanations ?

 

[sweep_shot]

So OP, is this still, arguably, a better Test side than the great OZ side of the 00's considering they couldn't beat and inexperienced West Indies side at home ?

Any explanations ?

The Windies win was an anomaly. It was an upset. It is unlikely to happen again anytime soon.

Aussies went to NZ and beat them 2-0 (India lost 0-2 there).

 

[JaDed]

The Windies win was an anomaly. It was an upset. It is unlikely to happen again anytime soon.

Aussies went to NZ and beat them 2-0 (India lost 0-2 there).

When was the last time Aussies lost to NZ in test series?
More chance of Kiwis winning against Aus would be an anomaly than Windies.

 

[sweep_shot]

When was the last time Aussies lost to NZ in test series?
More chance of Kiwis winning against Aus would be an anomaly than Windies.

That's my point. Australia losing to Windies doesn't mean they have declined (like Nikhil seemed to have suggested).

Very few teams can go to NZ and whitewash them. As a matter of fact, I don't think any other team did that in the past 10 years.

 

[JaDed]

That's my point. Australia losing to Windies doesn't mean they have declined (like Nikhil seemed to have suggested).

Nikhil is suggesting they aren’t close to 00 Aus.. which is definitely true.

Even Aussie posters have said that.

 

[sweep_shot]

Nikhil is suggesting they aren’t close to 00 Aus.. which is definitely true.

Even Aussie posters have said that.

Which Aussie poster? LOL. There isn't any active Aussie poster currently.

They are not close to 00's team but are still an elite team. I would say they are #1 in Test currently (WTC holder and just 2 points behind #1 position).

 

[JaDed]

Cummins and Smith are the only players who would have made that side.

@sweep_shot just FYI…

 

[JaDed]

Which Aussie poster? LOL. There isn't any active Aussie poster currently.

They are not close to 00's team but are still an elite team. I would say they are #1 in Test currently (WTC holder and just 2 points behind #1 position).

They might be a number 1 team but that doesn’t make them close to 00s.

And pasted the Aussie poster’s comment above.

 

[sweep_shot]

@sweep_shot just FYI…

OK. He isn't very active. He posted that 2 months ago.

Anyway, he is right. I agree with him. That Aussie team was much better. Even Cummins and Smith may not get in.

However, this Aussie team (despite being inferior) is still #1 currently in my book.

 

[JaDed]

OK. He isn't very active. He posted that 2 months ago.

Anyway, he is right. I agree with him. That Aussie team was much better. Even Cummins and Smith may not get in.

However, this Aussie team (despite being inferior) is still #1 in my book.

Yeah he probably came out of retirement after seeing this

It is #1 currently yes, but not as good as the OP made it out

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yeah he probably came out of retirement after seeing this thread(joke)

It is #1 currently yes, but not as good as the OP made it out

They are not 1. They lost 4 series in a row to india. Couldn't beat England in England. Infact rain saved them in the last test. Then couldn't beat Windies.

 

[BouncerGuy]

You guys are missing the point here. The talk should be about the Pakistan side rather than the Australian side and their comparisons. The Pakistan side visited Australia and got whitewashed again. But I would say that had the fielding not made those blunders, things were looking good for Pakistan to pluck 1 win but fielding let us down.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You guys are missing the point here. The talk should be about the Pakistan side rather than the Australian side and their comparisons. The Pakistan side visited Australia and got whitewashed again. But I would say that had the fielding not made those blunders, things were looking good for Pakistan to pluck 1 win but fielding let us down.

NZ feels the same way lol What a dolly dropped by Rachin Ravindra. That proved to be decisive.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

You guys are missing the point here. The talk should be about the Pakistan side rather than the Australian side and their comparisons. The Pakistan side visited Australia and got whitewashed again. But I would say that had the fielding not made those blunders, things were looking good for Pakistan to pluck 1 win but fielding let us down.

Pakistan wouldn't have won even if we had 10 Jadejas fielding.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NZ feels the same way lol What a dolly dropped by Rachin Ravindra. That proved to be decisive.

yeah, maybe they would be feeling the same because you cannot drop those kind of sitters like Abdullah dropped. He dropped way too many actually.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Pakistan wouldn't have won even if we had 10 Jadejas fielding.

It is not just about fielding, it is about grabbing the opportunity when the time comes and Pakistan missed it, especially with their fielding downfall.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australia coincidentally had some divine luck in recent times. Stokes dropped a crucial catch in the first Test. Match was right there. Then Shafique dropped a catch. Rachin dropped a catch. Shamar Joseph made sure Australia won't get away with any luck with brute of a spell.

 

[cricketjoshila]

The Windies win was an anomaly. It was an upset. It is unlikely to happen again anytime soon.

Aussies went to NZ and beat them 2-0 (India lost 0-2 there).

Australia in NZ

And

India in NZ

Not the same thing.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They might be a number 1 team but that doesn’t make them close to 00s.

And pasted the Aussie poster’s comment above.

This side isn't near the 00 side.

Where is Warne?

Where is McGrath?

Hayden?

Gilly?

Ponting?

 

[mominsaigol]

You guys are missing the point here. The talk should be about the Pakistan side rather than the Australian side and their comparisons. The Pakistan side visited Australia and got whitewashed again. But I would say that had the fielding not made those blunders, things were looking good for Pakistan to pluck 1 win but fielding let us down.

At the end of the day no one really cares about what happened during the game.

India on the world cup steamrolled every team until the final, and despite dominating every single time, everyone just forgot and kept focusing on the bad part of the campaign which was one loss that cost them. But most Indian critics like kapil dev didn't complain that India missed an opportunity, they out right said that Australia outplayed them that day.

This was shan's first captaincy stint and he mot only failed all 3 of his matches, he also lost all 3 games.

All this Pakistan has been historically bad in Australia or any nonsense excuse is just that an excuse. A whitewash is a whitewash, and Shan rightfully should be scrutinised for it if he himself didn't do a damn thing with his batting.

 

[kron]

This side isn't near the 00 side.

Where is Warne?

Where is McGrath?

Hayden?

Gilly?

Ponting?

Warner
Hayden
Punter
Smith
Martyn
Gilchrist
Waugh
Warne
Mcgrath
Cummins
Starc for variation

7-4 2000 era aussie

 

[kron]

Thanks for letting us know that modern day bowling is of better quality than in the 90's.

They are. Quality of bowling is much better

No more fraudulent calls. No rubbish umpire decisions apart from marginal drs calls.

No ball umpires are present.

No overstepping.

Drs is a game changer.
No biased home umpires

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I think the main learning point is that so called 'trundlers' like Mir Hamza can and should be in contention for international cricket.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think the main learning point is that so called 'trundlers' like Mir Hamza can and should be in contention for international cricket.

Mir Hamza is not the reason for Pakistan looking competitive in Australia.

Bowling sides usually struggle in the 30-80 over phase of an innings when the kookaburra goes flat and they struggle to take wickets in Australian conditions.

Most teams only take wickets with the new ball or after they get the 2nd new ball when batting sides are looking to accelerate .

Since 1999, Pakistan did not have bowlers to break the game open in that phase.

Even someone like Akhtar averaged 114 in that phase and has only taken 2 wickets, Yasir Shah averages 224 etc.

This time, Pakistan had a gem in Aamer Jamal who kept hitting the deck and bowled well enough to keep bringing Pakistan back in that phase.

Best bowling I have seen by a Pakistani bowler with an old kookaburra in these conditions.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Mir Hamza is not the reason for Pakistan looking competitive in Australia.

Bowling sides usually struggle in the 30-80 over phase of an innings when the kookaburra goes flat and they struggle to take wickets in Australian conditions.

Most teams only take wickets with the new ball or after they get the 2nd new ball when batting sides are looking to accelerate .

Since 1999, Pakistan did not have bowlers to break the game open in that phase.

Even someone like Akhtar averaged 114 in that phase and has only taken 2 wickets, Yasir Shah averages 224 etc.

This time, Pakistan had a gem in Aamer Jamal who kept hitting the deck and bowled well enough to keep bringing Pakistan back in that phase.

Best bowling I have seen by a Pakistani bowler with an old kookaburra in these conditions.

He wasn't the reason but it shows that it works better than the pace is pace yaar philosophy that many fans want.

He bowled with discipline and control backed up by a solid FC career.

On the previous tour we took a supposedly express pacer like Musa Khan who had not played much FC.

 

[kron]

Smith carried his team all by himself.

 

[Ab Fan]

Smith carried his team all by himself.

What did Smith do in 2018 South Africa tour? Sandpaper gate?

He lost against a weakened SA team with ABD, Amla and Philander on last leg.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NOTE:

The thread has been derailed enough. No more irrelevant comparisons here now. Please stay on topic else the irrelevant posts will be removed now. Thank you

 

[kron]

What did Smith do in 2018 South Africa tour? Sandpaper gate?

He lost against a weakened SA team with ABD, Amla and Philander on last leg.

What about about the times tenda choked vs nz in 2000 era and Pakistan in 90s and West indies?

 

[Ab Fan]

What about about the times tenda choked vs nz in 2000 era and Pakistan in 90s and West indies?

What about Smith's choke vs India recently, Bangladeshi tyogers and Sri Lanka?

 

[kron]

What about Smith's choke vs India recently, Bangladeshi tyogers and Sri Lanka?

What about Zimbabwe choke by great Tendulkar?

What about great choke vs Lanka? They couldn't even win a series in Lanka till mid 2000

India is a strong team so that's understandable.

He also played the best vs india in 2016. No one came close to him. Tenda never had a performance like that. They are on different levels. Sachin is a tier below smith

 

[Ab Fan]

What about Zimbabwe choke by great tenda?

What about great choke vs Lanka? They couldn't even win a series in Lanka till mid 2000

India is a strong team so that's understandable.

He also played the best vs india in 2016. No one came close to him. Tenda never had a performance like that. They are on different levels. Sachin is a tier below smith

What about Smith's legendary choke vs West Indies?

What about his choke vs Pakistan in UAE?

What about his choke vs Bangladesh? They are minnows even today.

 

[kron]

What about Smith's legendary choke vs West Indies?

What about his choke vs Pakistan in UAE?

What about his choke vs Bangladesh? They are minnows even today.

What about peak performances.
When has tenda ever played vs top sides like Smith did in 2019 and 2016 away from home?

Smith is declining obviously because he relies on reflexes but in his peak he was much better than tenda ever was.

I can count more chokes by tenda. Choked hard vs pakistan several times in mid 2000 era
Choked against Lanka
Choked vs declining west indies.

 

[AMSS]

Can someone update me how Smith fared against the village XI attack NZ days ago? Thanks.

 

[kron]

Can someone update me how Smith fared against the village XI attack NZ days ago? Thanks.

How did tenda do vs cronje

 

[Nikhil_cric]

A much better Test side. A 2-0 whitewash in South Africa will make PCT even better.

 

[Kianig89]

Pakistan are getting blanked in Test cricket , proper minnows they are now and with Shan Masood at the helm it's icing on the cake, watch out for next 5 Test matches , the recored might be 10-0, since that Australia tour.

The lack of talent is the real reason this team. Is not progressing

 

[Bhaijaan]

No disrespect but Billu bhai will go down as the most clueless and delusional Pakistan cricket fan on this forum.

Guys like @Syed1 , @Major , @Savak have been calling it accurately for years however. They saw this years ago.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Another "silver lining" thread?

 

[AMSS]

Firstly, let's acknowledge that the current Australian test team is arguably better than the great Australian team of the 2000s.

The funniest part of the OP is not even its title or the main claim but the opening line lmao

 

[mominsaigol]

This post isn't even serious? I stopped when I read current Australia > Classic Australia. Hahahahahaha

 

[Josh]

Despite a 2-0 loss to Bangladesh, this series has made Pakistan a better Test side

Firstly, let's acknowledge that the current Bangladesh test team is arguably better than the great Bangladesh ODI team of the 99 world cup.

 

[Buffet]

Despite a 2-0 loss to Bangladesh, this series has made Pakistan a better Test side

Firstly, let's acknowledge that the current Bangladesh test team is arguably better than the great Bangladesh ODI team of the 99 world cup.

First losing to Aus made it better and now losing to BD made it even better.

Hopefully, it won't keep getting better for Pakistan.