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PCB announces 15-member squad for T20I series against West Indies

Decent squad - lots of positive in Talat, Asif & Shaheen - but they have countered it with Malik, Ahmed and Rahat as well.


I believe, after PSL (and considering performance in last few months in T20) Sarfraz, Fakhar, Babar, Fahim, Shadab, Amir & Hasan were certain to be selected, Shinwari as well considering Raees in injured - that's 8, given spots which are automatic choices. I give BoD for Malik & Nawaz as well - makes it 10 out of 15. Which means, 67% of the squad actually selects themselves - 6.5 points for that (they didn't drop any deserving player). Would have been 7 had they shown the courage to drop Malik.

For rest 5 spots, Talat was actually a correction - he should have played against SRL if not against WI a year back; so no points for that. Kudos for Asif Ali - for me, he is the find of PSL; every other type of player is available in PAK, but the LO squad is missing BIG time an instant SIX hitter at 5/6; and that guy can loft ball some distance - sending Hasan to NSK crowd back to back 3 times from centre wicket isn't a joke - 2 points. Shaheen was another Kudos - now it's up to Arthur & Sarfraz - 1 more point.

That's in total 9.5 points earned - but, I don't see any reason why Rahat should be selected; there are 4 pacers already + Fahim & Talat. This spot should have gone for a young player (not necessarily bowler or pacer), for much needed exposure; PAK hardly plays A tours - 1 point deduction.

Ahmed costs Ul Haq 3 points - exactly opposite of Asif Ali; only Ul Haq can explain how he can select a player for PAK squad who wasn't retained by QG (the weakest team with local collection) and played 10 PSL games for 19/85 stats as an specialist opener. I cut another 0.5 for selecting Hasan - I don't think he is completely fit and need proper rehabilitation, instead of 3 worthless T20I (From cricket perspective), just after PSL.

In total, 5/10 for me - just above pass. You don't need high profile Selectors to select Amir & Babar & Fakhar and .... while retain Ahmed.


If I were to select, this would have been my 15 -

1. S Farhan (Ahmed Shehzad)
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Aga Salman (Shoaib Malik)
5. Asif Ali
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (Captain)(WK)
7. Hussain Talat
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Jafar Gohar (Muhammad Nawaz)
10. Shadab Khan
11. Muhammad Amir
12. Wahab Riaz (Hasan Ali) - Wahab has couple of years in T20I for sure - and he is hitting well with bat as well
13. Umaid Asif/Sameen Gul/Md. Nawaz (Rahat Ali)
14. Usman Khan Shinwari
15. Shaheen Shah Afridi
 
MMHS said:
Decent squad - lots of positive in Talat, Asif & Shaheen - but they have countered it with Malik, Ahmed and Rahat as well.


I believe, after PSL (and considering performance in last few months in T20) Sarfraz, Fakhar, Babar, Fahim, Shadab, Amir & Hasan were certain to be selected, Shinwari as well considering Raees in injured - that's 8, given spots which are automatic choices. I give BoD for Malik & Nawaz as well - makes it 10 out of 15. Which means, 67% of the squad actually selects themselves - 6.5 points for that (they didn't drop any deserving player). Would have been 7 had they shown the courage to drop Malik.

For rest 5 spots, Talat was actually a correction - he should have played against SRL if not against WI a year back; so no points for that. Kudos for Asif Ali - for me, he is the find of PSL; every other type of player is available in PAK, but the LO squad is missing BIG time an instant SIX hitter at 5/6; and that guy can loft ball some distance - sending Hasan to NSK crowd back to back 3 times from centre wicket isn't a joke - 2 points. Shaheen was another Kudos - now it's up to Arthur & Sarfraz - 1 more point.

That's in total 9.5 points earned - but, I don't see any reason why Rahat should be selected; there are 4 pacers already + Fahim & Talat. This spot should have gone for a young player (not necessarily bowler or pacer), for much needed exposure; PAK hardly plays A tours - 1 point deduction.

Ahmed costs Ul Haq 3 points - exactly opposite of Asif Ali; only Ul Haq can explain how he can select a player for PAK squad who wasn't retained by QG (the weakest team with local collection) and played 10 PSL games for 19/85 stats as an specialist opener. I cut another 0.5 for selecting Hasan - I don't think he is completely fit and need proper rehabilitation, instead of 3 worthless T20I (From cricket perspective), just after PSL.

In total, 5/10 for me - just above pass. You don't need high profile Selectors to select Amir & Babar & Fakhar and .... while retain Ahmed.


If I were to select, this would have been my 15 -

1. S Farhan (Ahmed Shehzad)
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Aga Salman (Shoaib Malik)
5. Asif Ali
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (Captain)(WK)
7. Hussain Talat
8. Faheem Ashraf
9. Jafar Gohar (Muhammad Nawaz)
10. Shadab Khan
11. Muhammad Amir
12. Wahab Riaz (Hasan Ali) - Wahab has couple of years in T20I for sure - and he is hitting well with bat as well
13. Umaid Asif/Sameen Gul/Md. Nawaz (Rahat Ali)
14. Usman Khan Shinwari
15. Shaheen Shah Afridi
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I agree your all points and selections but why every time you blams Inzi whenever shehzad or any other undeserving player gets selected? How do you know these are only inzi's selections? If these are,could not have coach or captian resisted their selections?
 
Shehzad shouldn't have been selected. What is the need of Rahat when you have Hasan,Amir, and Shinwari with Talat and Faheem able to bowl as well LOL? Could have picked a back up keeper instead .

A decent squad other than that.
 
I knew selfie would be selected. Unfortunately he will play all the games. I am only hoping he fails so we can get rid of him....
 
Really how on earth can we take the coach, captain and selectors serious when a HUGE failure like Shezad the ultimate blocker / dot king gets selected?

Pathetic.
 
Rahat was exceptional in PSL other than 1 game. Deserving selection, he was generating pace, bounce swing and more importantly looked like he has added bit of aggression.
If Wahab would have been selected many guys still wouldnt have liked it so what is a selector supposed to do, Raees wasnt 100% so there was not better pace option.

Ahmed Shehzad was a difficult call to make considering he did decently in T20s against world xi (mom in one match) and was okish in NZ however was poor in PSL (Tbh not sure what sort of role he was given). Sahibzada Farhan showed bit of nerves at this level, he needs sometime to improve. So there was nobody, ppl would have cried if it would have been Kami.

Overall pretty good selections in my opinion
 
Kashmiri_Pak_fan said:
I agree your all points and selections but why every time you blams Inzi whenever shehzad or any other undeserving player gets selected? How do you know these are only inzi's selections? If these are,could not have coach or captian resisted their selections?
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Whom should people blame, if there is a CS appointed, who doesn't report to Captain or Coach? I am doing the critic of the squad and he is in charge. Film critics don't blame budget (producer) or sensor board for a bad movie.

Normally, while announcing squad, CS gives an statement - explanation to every name picked (or for names that are not picked) - I didn't see it here; may be he has explained why Ahmed was picked. That "consultation" word is a bit misleading - Ul Haq must had selected Irfaaan, Gul for Pom tour, then Kamran, Zakir (Asif) for WI, Umar for CT ........ finally, Imam for SRL/NZ and Azhar for ODI after "Consultation", but it went a bit south later.

Personally, IuH is one of my all time favorite players, a legend of the game - but, he would be among my last picks for a CS or Manager like role; after following him almost religiously for almost 3 decades as a player, as Captain and a post-retirement icon. I haven't seen anything changed from him from his past to change my perception, but I can be wrong here.
 
this is a really good squad, then you see Selfie


sort of ruins it, hope he doesnt play, open with Asif
 
Titan24 said:
Rahat was exceptional in PSL other than 1 game. Deserving selection, he was generating pace, bounce swing and more importantly looked like he has added bit of aggression.
If Wahab would have been selected many guys still wouldnt have liked it so what is a selector supposed to do, Raees wasnt 100% so there was not better pace option.

Ahmed Shehzad was a difficult call to make considering he did decently in T20s against world xi (mom in one match) and was okish in NZ however was poor in PSL (Tbh not sure what sort of role he was given). Sahibzada Farhan showed bit of nerves at this level, he needs sometime to improve. So there was nobody, ppl would have cried if it would have been Kami.

Overall pretty good selections in my opinion
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On the basis of that wahab was more desrving.Can field well.bowl well and can abt [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] agreed.i would have liked youngster but if Rahat then my vote was for Wahab.
 
Would've had Farhan and Zafar over Shehzad and Rahat.

I would've also added Yamin and perhaps Maqsood as well, given that it is a home series.

Haris dropped, but with his fitness he shouldn't even be playing T20s.

Overall, not too bad though.

Fakhar Zaman (VC)
Babar Azam
Hussain Talat
Sarfraz Ahmed* (WK)
Shoaib Malik
Asif Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari

Rotate the pacers around.

Have Shehzad warm the bench throughout.
 
Would have preferred sameen Gul in the team for Rahat ali

You already have left armers in shinwari , shaheen , and amir so a 4th left arm is overkill

But still rahat deserves it he had a good psl .

This is probably last chance for shahzad now if sharjeel was still around , I reckon shahzad would have been history
 
I'm actually happy wahab has not been selected and younger fast bowlers have been given a chance in t20 games , we need to start grooming some quick bowlers in
 
A squad free of oldies and TTFs, not on Inzi's watch :inzi
 
MMHS said:
Whom should people blame, if there is a CS appointed, who doesn't report to Captain or Coach? I am doing the critic of the squad and he is in charge. Film critics don't blame budget (producer) or sensor board for a bad movie.

Normally, while announcing squad, CS gives an statement - explanation to every name picked (or for names that are not picked) - I didn't see it here; may be he has explained why Ahmed was picked. That "consultation" word is a bit misleading - Ul Haq must had selected Irfaaan, Gul for Pom tour, then Kamran, Zakir (Asif) for WI, Umar for CT ........ finally, Imam for SRL/NZ and Azhar for ODI after "Consultation", but it went a bit south later.

Personally, IuH is one of my all time favorite players, a legend of the game - but, he would be among my last picks for a CS or Manager like role; after following him almost religiously for almost 3 decades as a player, as Captain and a post-retirement icon. I haven't seen anything changed from him from his past to change my perception, but I can be wrong here.
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You are absolutely right that he is not explaining the reasons of selecting and dropping of players but you still did not answer my last question.secondly, you would not have heard of deadlock on shehzad's selection anytume b/w selectors and management.
 
Hasan123 said:
Shehzad shouldn't have been selected. What is the need of Rahat when you have Hasan,Amir, and Shinwari with Talat and Faheem able to bowl as well LOL? Could have picked a back up keeper instead .

A decent squad other than that.
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I doubt that Rahat would even get a game.He will likely warm the bench.
 
Got rid of Hafeez and now Rahat sneaked in. I knew inzi wil find any excuse to bring in his hometown "boy" . I thought Wahab was in great form and could be included. Rahat is a liability in fielding also.
We need to move on from Shehzad now.
Very happy to see "Shahenshah in". Also Asif and Talat, great.
 
DRsohail said:
On the basis of that wahab was more desrving.Can field well.bowl well and can abt [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] agreed.i would have liked youngster but if Rahat then my vote was for Wahab.
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Wahab actually is a like to like selection for Hasan - who desperately needs rest. Both are very good with semi-old ball, brilliant in death overs and both has the ability to spank around instantly for few balls in later stages - ideal No. 8/9 for T20 team. Besides, it's 20 overs, hence age should be least bothered for Wahab.

For the same reason, I don't mind Umaid Asif for T20, or even for 50 overs WC till 2019. I read guy has a graduation and he started FC career few years back (unlike at 14-15 :( ) - which suggests, his official age of 34, should allow him to take the new ball for may be 2 more years (sadly, that I can't say for officially 32 years old Gul, Tanvir or Sohail) and he can be ideal partner for Amir in UK; guy can bat a bit as well, I guess - otherwise Sammy won't have promoted him.
 
MMHS said:
Wahab actually is a like to like selection for Hasan - who desperately needs rest. Both are very good with semi-old ball, brilliant in death overs and both has the ability to spank around instantly for few balls in later stages - ideal No. 8/9 for T20 team. Besides, it's 20 overs, hence age should be least bothered for Wahab.

For the same reason, I don't mind Umaid Asif for T20, or even for 50 overs WC till 2019. I read guy has a graduation and he started FC career few years back (unlike at 14-15 :( ) - which suggests, his official age of 34, should allow him to take the new ball for may be 2 more years (sadly, that I can't say for officially 32 years old Gul, Tanvir or Sohail) and he can be ideal partner for Amir in UK; guy can bat a bit as well, I guess - otherwise Sammy won't have promoted him.
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Yes Hassan should have been rested.Umaid is a guy who is sharp and strong above shoulder wala area...He has doe ACCA so would be intelligent.In fact he showed it again and again in PSL.Can be a good option in UK even for tests.If he has the fitness ...which i doubt at this age.
 
DRsohail said:
Yes Hassan should have been rested.Umaid is a guy who is sharp and strong above shoulder wala area...He has doe ACCA so would be intelligent.In fact he showed it again and again in PSL.Can be a good option in UK even for tests.If he has the fitness ...which i doubt at this age.
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I've heard that his fitness is excellent.

Seems like a committed and hard-working guy.
 
AAmir Yamin may have noot been retained due to Hussain talat bowling ability and they will like him to play as batting all rounder.The only explanation i can give.
 
Fantastic selections from Arthur and Inzamam, a slap in the faces of those who claimed they don't give youngsters opportunities.

Hafeez has been dropped so that's Prof finished. Though I wouldn't pick him, Shehzad is there probably on the back of the NZ series that we won. Rahat's PSL's performances have been rewarded and is there as a backup pacer. Asif Ali's PSL displays have also been rewarded and can be a useful hitter.

Most encouraging to see is Hussain Talat and Shaheen Shah named. Two promising youngsters who will get to perform in home conditions on debut.

We would never see this type of adventurous selection under previous management teams.
 
Shehzad in. Haris and Amin are out. Good to see no hafeez, wahab and kami. Farhan should have replaced shehzad.
 
Kashmiri_Pak_fan said:
You are absolutely right that he is not explaining the reasons of selecting and dropping of players but you still did not answer my last question.secondly, you would not have heard of deadlock on shehzad's selection anytume b/w selectors and management.
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I can't respond your last question without proof :) - in fact, I can tell what's going on, have seen enough for that, but won't go there. There can be dead lock for Malik - close to 40 now, but he is performing; so you have some weights in both side of the scales; it can be a deadlock between current form vs building for 2020 WC ................. but, for a player with 19/85 stats as opener in 10 games, with not so glorious recent past - age must have caught Arthur, you know. As for Sarfraz - he could have retained him for QG - didn't ...... but, he has retained him for PAK T20I squad :( If we have to consider "dead-lock" for everything, then ultimate blame goes to Nazam Sethi, in fact PM PAK or even you can recall MA Jinnah may be - mistake from start :( People in charge has to be held accountable. There is a tendency to justify selection merit on the outcome, which is wrong way to see - I can name 15 players, excluding every name in my post and depending on which squad WICB sends, that PAK might crash WI in all 3 games....

Look, I like Ul Haq, one of my ATGs - BUT, I'll never appoint him CS. Guy, didn't pick a single player in his 4 years, when U19 team won back to back WCs. From baseball club at Toronto to Oval gate, he has kept too many examples not to be hired for such roles; but we can ignore those.

FOR 1 REASON, if I were in Charge, I won't have ever allowed him to step in PCB office in any administrative capacity. He was bribed sweet enough by Shubhash Chandra to scout PAK players for promoting his Zee Sports channel (ICL started with a different agenda - BCCI put a clause that any broadcaster must have 2 years experience of live cricket telecast, that took out Zee Tv participating in BCCI's broadcasting right auction. Shubhash Chandra launched ICL so that he can join the band wagon 3 years later and bribed Ul Haq to collect trophy names from PAK). The retired guy swept aside PAK team, knowing that those players might not be allowed to play for PAK ever.

In fact, PAK cricket was lucky that BCCI wanted to erase ICL, as if it never exist; therefore ICC was kept a side - OTHERWISE, for that 2nd Final between Lahore Badshah - Hyderabad Heroes (?) - some of the PAK players could have been out of cricket for 2 - 5 years and this guy Ul Haq knew everything. I know lot of it, because I had detail chats with few of the Dhaka Worrier players in that ICL. It eventually cost PAK players big time - IPL blacklisted ICL players; otherwise that time MoYo & Razzak definitely, may be Nazir, Sami and few others could have got mega deals from IPL.

He is a PAK legend, therefore deserves the respect as a player - but, as I said; he won't have ever entered PCB office as an administrator, never.
 
MMHS said:
I can't respond your last question without proof :) - in fact, I can tell what's going on, have seen enough for that, but won't go there. There can be dead lock for Malik - close to 40 now, but he is performing; so you have some weights in both side of the scales; it can be a deadlock between current form vs building for 2020 WC ................. but, for a player with 19/85 stats as opener in 10 games, with not so glorious recent past - age must have caught Arthur, you know. As for Sarfraz - he could have retained him for QG - didn't ...... but, he has retained him for PAK T20I squad :( If we have to consider "dead-lock" for everything, then ultimate blame goes to Nazam Sethi, in fact PM PAK or even you can recall MA Jinnah may be - mistake from start :( People in charge has to be held accountable. There is a tendency to justify selection merit on the outcome, which is wrong way to see - I can name 15 players, excluding every name in my post and depending on which squad WICB sends, that PAK might crash WI in all 3 games....

Look, I like Ul Haq, one of my ATGs - BUT, I'll never appoint him CS. Guy, didn't pick a single player in his 4 years, when U19 team won back to back WCs. From baseball club at Toronto to Oval gate, he has kept too many examples not to be hired for such roles; but we can ignore those.

FOR 1 REASON, if I were in Charge, I won't have ever allowed him to step in PCB office in any administrative capacity. He was bribed sweet enough by Shubhash Chandra to scout PAK players for promoting his Zee Sports channel (ICL started with a different agenda - BCCI put a clause that any broadcaster must have 2 years experience of live cricket telecast, that took out Zee Tv participating in BCCI's broadcasting right auction. Shubhash Chandra launched ICL so that he can join the band wagon 3 years later and bribed Ul Haq to collect trophy names from PAK). The retired guy swept aside PAK team, knowing that those players might not be allowed to play for PAK ever.

In fact, PAK cricket was lucky that BCCI wanted to erase ICL, as if it never exist; therefore ICC was kept a side - OTHERWISE, for that 2nd Final between Lahore Badshah - Hyderabad Heroes (?) - some of the PAK players could have been out of cricket for 2 - 5 years and this guy Ul Haq knew everything. I know lot of it, because I had detail chats with few of the Dhaka Worrier players in that ICL. It eventually cost PAK players big time - IPL blacklisted ICL players; otherwise that time MoYo & Razzak definitely, may be Nazir, Sami and few others could have got mega deals from IPL.

He is a PAK legend, therefore deserves the respect as a player - but, as I said; he won't have ever entered PCB office as an administrator, never.
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Malik is 36, not 40.
 
Let's be positive guys.

No Hafeez, no Akmals!

Talat and Asif deservingly in.

They had to announce a 15 members squad. Not all of them would be on the playing XI.

Farhan wasn't all to impressive in the PSL. Hopefully they are giving Shehzad a long rope to drop him for good if he doesn't improve.
 
Titan24 said:
Malik is 36, not 40.
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I thought, I wrote close to 40, not 40. Indeed CricInfo records tell his age is just 36, born on 1 Feb 1982. He played U15 cricket with Grame Swan as well.
 
Square Drive said:
Would've had Farhan and Zafar over Shehzad and Rahat.

I would've also added Yamin and perhaps Maqsood as well, given that it is a home series.

Haris dropped, but with his fitness he shouldn't even be playing T20s.

Overall, not too bad though.

Fakhar Zaman (VC)
Babar Azam
Hussain Talat
Sarfraz Ahmed* (WK)
Shoaib Malik
Asif Ali
Fahim Ashraf
Shadab Khan
Mohammad Nawaz
Mohammad Amir
Usman Shinwari

Rotate the pacers around.

Have Shehzad warm the bench throughout.
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I’d swap a pacer for Nawaz, otherwise this is a great 11
 
DRsohail said:
lolz....
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Why, it can happen.

Record says, Malik played his debut FC game at 15, List A at 15 as well - in 1997. PAK has a glorious past (& present also) of promoting youngsters at every level - from domestics to Internationals. At an average, PAK actually has given highest emphasis on bringing youth at early age and promoting them raw. And, this is statistically proven as well - from Hasan Raza to Aquib Javed to Ataur Rehman, highest number of youngest debutantes are from PAK.
 
Shehzad can let himself go, have a broken hand, show up high, and he will still make it to these squads.

Fascinating.

2nd biggest mystery after how long Inti Alam has been with PCB.
 
AFM said:
Nawaz at 6 is shocking batting depth. Replace him with Shobby, play Talat at 3 and Asif 6.
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I was thinking the same :shadab - Shadab and Faheem have far more batting and especially hitting ability than Nawaz who is a number 8 at best.
 
Suleiman said:
Shehzad can let himself go, have a broken hand, show up high, and he will still make it to these squads.

Fascinating.

2nd biggest mystery after how long Inti Alam has been with PCB.
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Bhai inti is a legend , “coached” 92 and 09 winning sides and called his own players mentally re tarded

https://www.dawn.com/news/534704

Who else in Pak can boast that CV?
 
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Overall selections have been good barring a few exceptions:

1. Malik - would have replaced him with Maqsood
2. Rahat - will be replaced by Raees when he's back but there are better alternatives to :rahat1. Think Inzy just saw him on a good day and thought yep I'm picking him :inzi
3. Shehzad should have been replaced by Sahibzada.
 
Really disappointing to see Shehzad and Rahat while Mukhtar, Farhan and Yamin have not been selected.

Since WI likes opening with Badree in PP I would play this batting order:

Fakhar
Malik
Babar
Talat
Asif
Faheem
Sarfaraz
Shadab
Hasan
Amir
Shinwari

Hasan can also be promoted ahead of Sarfaraz. Basically Sarfaraz should become more of a specialist captain in t20s as his batting is not needed much unless our top order collapses early into the innings.

Opening with Fakhar and Malik for this series will maximize personnel output because these 2 are our best spin bashers at international level and it will force WI to change their plans allowing for Talat & Asif to exploit them in latter part of the innings.

That is what I would call true creativity from Arthur & co. but we know Shehzad is sure to play thus making this idea hypothetical at best. lol :facepalm:
 
The squad is very good, some extremely pathetic posts to read here. You will never get 100% perfection but this is a breath of fresh air to bring in so many new fellas and give them an oppourtunity to develop. Delighted to see Afridi, Talat and Asif Ali; overall a great squad, the selection panel have done well.
 
MMHS said:
Why, it can happen.

Record says, Malik played his debut FC game at 15, List A at 15 as well - in 1997. PAK has a glorious past (& present also) of promoting youngsters at every level - from domestics to Internationals. At an average, PAK actually has given highest emphasis on bringing youth at early age and promoting them raw. And, this is statistically proven as well - from Hasan Raza to Aquib Javed to Ataur Rehman, highest number of youngest debutantes are from PAK.
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I was laughing at the truth u spoken..
 
Markhor said:
Fantastic selections from Arthur and Inzamam, a slap in the faces of those who claimed they don't give youngsters opportunities.

Hafeez has been dropped so that's Prof finished. Though I wouldn't pick him, Shehzad is there probably on the back of the NZ series that we won. Rahat's PSL's performances have been rewarded and is there as a backup pacer. Asif Ali's PSL displays have also been rewarded and can be a useful hitter.

Most encouraging to see is Hussain Talat and Shaheen Shah named. Two promising youngsters who will get to perform in home conditions on debut.

We would never see this type of adventurous selection under previous management teams.
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Excellent post, reading some of the drivel today am absolutely shocked then again these are Pakistan fans.

As for the squad, it's great overall; I'd have bought in Farhan over Shehzad and Wahab over Rahat (sorry [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]). Other then that it's fine really, people are whinging for the sake of pettiness and not having the courage or foresight to change their views.
 
This 11 would've been perfect:
1. Sahibzada Farhan
2. Fakhar Zaman
3. Babar Azam
4. Sarfaraz Ahmad
5. Hussain Talat
6. Asif Ali
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Shadab khan
9. Hassan Ali
10. Mohammad Amir
11. Usman Khan
Shaheen is too raw to be in the team. Ahmad Shehzad is holy crap. Why I kept Farhan because he isn't afraid to go after bowling. He was very good in this PSL but was shadowed by Ronchi brilliance.
 
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shaz619 said:
Excellent post, reading some of the drivel today am absolutely shocked then again these are Pakistan fans.

As for the squad, it's great overall; I'd have bought in Farhan over Shehzad and Wahab over Rahat (sorry [MENTION=865]Big Mac[/MENTION]). Other then that it's fine really, people are whinging for the sake of pettiness and not having the courage or foresight to change their views.
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The Rahat will make you eat your words! :rahat
 
MMHS said:
Why, it can happen.

Record says, Malik played his debut FC game at 15, List A at 15 as well - in 1997. PAK has a glorious past (& present also) of promoting youngsters at every level - from domestics to Internationals. At an average, PAK actually has given highest emphasis on bringing youth at early age and promoting them raw. And, this is statistically proven as well - from Hasan Raza to Aquib Javed to Ataur Rehman, highest number of youngest debutantes are from PAK.
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Some of this made me LOL.
 
DRsohail said:
I was laughing at the truth u spoken..
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:)

I often say - Andaz apna apna. It's up to you, what you want to see and what you want to interpret out of that - information is available for everyone these days.

I actually don't mind Shakib batting for 5 hours at Dhaka heat & humidity against a team like AUS and then bowl 75 overs in next 3 days, add to that fielding at gully - even if he is 38 now, or say bat for 10 hours in NZ and then bowl 45 over in next 10 hours and I am sure Indians don't mind either 40 years old MD keeping for 50 overs and then converts singles into double at the slightest of fumbles. It's you who makes the choice - if you wish you can ignore the reflex of 36 years old Malik against anything over 125K, or the pace of 32 years old Sohail in his 2nd spell ...... and the prospect of 27 years of Iftekhar.
 
Big Mac said:
The Rahat will make you eat your words! :rahat
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You must be talking about Rahat Bakeries. :yk

In all seriousness though, it's a progressive squad. Shame, Farhan could not do enough in the PSL to oust Shehzad.
 
Suleiman said:
Shehzad can let himself go, have a broken hand, show up high, and he will still make it to these squads.

Fascinating.

2nd biggest mystery after how long Inti Alam has been with PCB.
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To be honest Intikhab Alam is our lucky charm.
 
MMHS said:
:)

I often say - Andaz apna apna. It's up to you, what you want to see and what you want to interpret out of that - information is available for everyone these days.

I actually don't mind Shakib batting for 5 hours at Dhaka heat & humidity against a team like AUS and then bowl 75 overs in next 3 days, add to that fielding at gully - even if he is 38 now, or say bat for 10 hours in NZ and then bowl 45 over in next 10 hours and I am sure Indians don't mind either 40 years old MD keeping for 50 overs and then converts singles into double at the slightest of fumbles. It's you who makes the choice - if you wish you can ignore the reflex of 36 years old Malik against anything over 125K, or the pace of 32 years old Sohail in his 2nd spell ...... and the prospect of 27 years of Iftekhar.
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Yes i know them .One of the neighbour of Junaid khan told me that Junaid is 32 years old.You have to believe me and him.The way his pace has gone down is not only due to injuries.Otherwise we have heard Imran made a comeback at the age of 32 .
 
Hasan123 said:
Some of this made me LOL.
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Why bro - I am just picking facts from history. PAK cricket has a glorious history of cricket records that has age attach with it.

Let me give you some (don't curse me, if I miss few - writing from memory)

- Youngest Test cricketer, ODI cricketer
- Youngest Test centurion, double centurion ... even youngest First Class centurion, triple centurion.
- Youngest officially appointed Captain (Pataudi led one Test at 21 years 77 days, because both his Captain & Deputy were injured) - WY was appointed at 21, Javed Burki also at 21, Javed at 21 as well
- Youngest ODI Hat-trick (2 actually) - both Jallauddin & Aqiub were just 19, Aquib might be 18 ...
- Youngest to reach 1K, 2K Test runs (not sure if Javed holds that record now or not)
- Youngest to reach 100 & 200 Test wicket - WY was only 19 & 21 .....
- Youngest enough to play 3 U19 WCs
- Youngest to play a WC game (But, Javed might have lost that record)
- Youngest to take a 10 For in Test (But need to check if anyone had beaten Wasim on that or not ...)
- Youngest to hit an ODI Hundred - actually 2, first one was the fastest ever that time, Salim Elahi was just 17 & few weeks, but I have to check back again on this .....
 
MMHS said:
Why bro - I am just picking facts from history. PAK cricket has a glorious history of cricket records that has age attach with it.

Let me give you some (don't curse me, if I miss few - writing from memory)

- Youngest Test cricketer, ODI cricketer
- Youngest Test centurion, double centurion ... even youngest First Class centurion, triple centurion.
- Youngest officially appointed Captain (Pataudi led one Test at 21 years 77 days, because both his Captain & Deputy were injured) - WY was appointed at 21, Javed Burki also at 21, Javed at 21 as well
- Youngest ODI Hat-trick (2 actually) - both Jallauddin & Aqiub were just 19, Aquib might be 18 ...
- Youngest to reach 1K, 2K Test runs (not sure if Javed holds that record now or not)
- Youngest to reach 100 & 200 Test wicket - WY was only 19 & 21 .....
- Youngest enough to play 3 U19 WCs
- Youngest to play a WC game (But, Javed might have lost that record)
- Youngest to take a 10 For in Test (But need to check if anyone had beaten Wasim on that or not ...)
- Youngest to hit an ODI Hundred - actually 2, first one was the fastest ever that time, Salim Elahi was just 17 & few weeks, but I have to check back again on this .....
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But all of that was a long time ago. Hardly any in last 10 years or so.
 
Some good selections! But why Shehzad? He didn't do anything in this PSL.

Even Rahat is a borderline selection...
 
Titan24 said:
Rahat was exceptional in PSL other than 1 game. Deserving selection, he was generating pace, bounce swing and more importantly looked like he has added bit of aggression.
If Wahab would have been selected many guys still wouldnt have liked it so what is a selector supposed to do, Raees wasnt 100% so there was not better pace option.

Ahmed Shehzad was a difficult call to make considering he did decently in T20s against world xi (mom in one match) and was okish in NZ however was poor in PSL (Tbh not sure what sort of role he was given). Sahibzada Farhan showed bit of nerves at this level, he needs sometime to improve. So there was nobody, ppl would have cried if it would have been Kami.

Overall pretty good selections in my opinion
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Agree with this. Rahat Ali is not a flashy name so even when he performs people have issues and are waiting for him to fail.

Ahmed is better than sahibzada at the moment as the latter still has flaws so he needs another year or so.
 
ataullah said:
Agree with this. Rahat Ali is not a flashy name so even when he performs people have issues and are waiting for him to fail.

Ahmed is better than sahibzada at the moment as the latter still has flaws so he needs another year or so.
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And why should Shehzad stay in the team with all his flaws? The domestic circuit is no place to work out flaws anyway and Sahibzada should at least be given a go in the national side to see if he can improve unlike the TTF.
 
Pakpak said:
I doubt if Shaheen, Talat and Asif will get a game.
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I would like to see them play all 3. At the very least they'll play the final t20. No way that they don't get tried once coming off a successful PSL.
 
shokz1408 said:
I would like to see them play all 3. At the very least they'll play the final t20. No way that they don't get tried once coming off a successful PSL.
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Its happened many times before, young players spend entire series on the bench. Look at the NZ tour as an example.

I'd rather all three play.
 
Farhan,zafar and yamin in for shezad,nawaz,malik would have been better and maybe wahab instead of rahat too but still a pretty good squad.
Fakhar
Babar
Talat
Shadab
Faheem
Asif
Malik
Sarfi
Hasan
Amir
Afridi
 
Pakpak said:
Its happened many times before, young players spend entire series on the bench. Look at the NZ tour as an example.

I'd rather all three play.
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I have seen it happen too unfortunately. But right after a successful PSL, I am excited to see these players given 3/3 chances. I would be disgusted if not one of them plays the first t20, it would be criminal! Playing a depleted west Indies side at home, if they're not going to test the youngsters under such circumstances, then they probably won't much in more high profile tours.
 
DeadBall said:
And why should Shehzad stay in the team with all his flaws? The domestic circuit is no place to work out flaws anyway and Sahibzada should at least be given a go in the national side to see if he can improve unlike the TTF.
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Kick Shezhad out and move Rahat to the top of the order. If my memory serves me correctly, zero dot balls in the 11 or 12 games Rahat played in the PSL this season, what a legend :rahat
 
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