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PCB overhyping Mohammad Haris and Hasan Nawaz: Is it justified?

Is PCB overhyping Mohammad Haris and Hassan Nawaz, or is it justified?

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Tracing Mohammad Haris and Hasan Nawaz's T20 rise

Hasan Nawaz and Mohammad Haris registered the fastest and second fastest T20I centuries for Pakistan in a space of 72 days showcasing their belligerent batting at the international stage.

Hasan’s scintillating 44-ball century came just in his third T20I outing at Auckland’s Eden Park on 21 March, while wicketkeeper-batter Haris brought up his ton off 45 balls against Bangladesh in the final T20I of the three-match series on 1 June in Lahore.

In the game against New Zealand, both opened the batting and amassed 74 runs off 5.5 overs, the highest-ever Powerplay for Pakistan in T20Is bettering a nine-year record of 73 runs against England in Manchester.

The duo also contributed a combined 300 runs from 150 balls while batting in the top four during the series sweep over Bangladesh.

Hasan has so far faced 118 balls in Pakistan colours making 227 runs with 16 fours and as many maximums. Haris, meanwhile, has racked up 370 runs across 17 T20I outings at a strike rate of 152 hitting 33 fours and 21 sixes. What stands out in these numbers is their prodigious ball-striking ability and record-breaking tons early in their careers.

With the domestic 2024-25 and the home international season coming to an end, it is pertinent to trace the build-up towards Hasan and Haris’ spectacular showings with the bat for Pakistan in T20Is.

Mohammad Haris

24-year-old Haris got off the mark in his T20I career with a straight six off England’s Richard Gleeson at the Gaddafi Stadium, Lahore in September 2022. Nearly three years later, he fittingly brought up his first international century at the scene of his T20I debut.

Haris, who has featured in six ODIs for Pakistan, boasts 16 dismissals behind the stumps in 11 of his 23 outings in white-ball cricket. He enacted five dismissals including one stumping in the recent series against Bangladesh and hammered 179 runs at a staggering strike rate of 201, earning him the player of the series award.

In just his second T20I, Haris was called up to fill in for Fakhar Zaman in a crucial ICC T20 World Cup 2022 match against South Africa at Sydney Cricket Ground. He announced his arrival by belting Kagiso Rabada for consecutive sixes followed by a four for his first runs in the tournament.

The Peshawar-born batter showcased a range of shots in his 11-ball 28 hitting two fours and three sixes to set the tone for a huge total in a must-win match for Pakistan. His 31 and 30 in the following matches against Bangladesh and New Zealand, respectively, also showed glimpses of his tremendous potential.

Haris has featured in 117 T20s scoring 2,860 runs at a strike rate of 147.65 with the help of one century and 15 half-centuries. He made his T20I comeback, after last featuring for Pakistan in the format in April 2023, following a title-winning campaign with Allied Bank Stallions in the Champions T20 Cup and a strong performance in HBL PSL X.

Haris-led Stallions went onto lift the trophy in the T20 tournament, where he contributed 269 runs in nine matches at a strike rate of 151 including three half-centuries.

In HBL PSL X, Haris collected 247 runs with a strike rate of 148 in 10 matches for Peshawar Zalmi including the highest score of 87. His tally of 53 fours and 21 sixes across the two T20 tournaments proved his boundary-hitting capability, striking a boundary every 4.5 balls.

On Sunday night, Haris became the first non-opener and fifth Pakistan batter to register a T20I century marking a turning point in his Pakistan career.

Haris has been a regular feature in the Pakistan Shaheens setup, leading them in the white-ball leg of the Darwin tour in July 2024, Bangladesh ‘A’ tour of Pakistan in August 2024, Sri Lanka ‘A’ tour of Pakistan in November 2024 and the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup in July 2023 (50-over) & October 2024 (T20).

Hasan Nawaz

Hasan Nawaz banked on the 2024-25 domestic cricket season to stage an HBL PSL comeback and earn the coveted Pakistan cap.

Hasan’s first appearance in the career-defining 2024-25 domestic season began with two appearances for Sui Northern Gas Pipelines Limited (SNGPL) in semi-final and final of President’s Cup Grade-I where he scored 46 off 43 (4x4s, 3x6s) and 40 off 50 (2x4s, 2x6s), respectively.

In the Quaid-e-Azam Trophy 2024-25 in October and November he accumulated 273 runs for Islamabad Region in five outings. It also included a career-best 169 where he spent 406 minutes on the crease against Larkana Region striking 21 fours and one six as only one other batter crossed 50-run mark from his side.

The Bahria Town Champions T20 Cup in December saw Hasan delivering consistently for Nurpur Lions and stamp his authority, finishing as the second-leading run-scorer with 312 runs in nine outings with the help of two half-centuries.

He struck 30 fours and 17 sixes, displaying his power-hitting skills, and subsequently became Quetta Gladiators’ Emerging category pick in the HBL PSL X draft on 13 January.

Hasan was also part of the 16-day Pakistan Strike Force camp at the National Cricket Academy in January, under the tutelage of former Pakistan all-rounder Abdul Razzaq, where a total of 25 emerging and top-performing domestic batters were invited to hone their hard-hitting skills.

Hasan took the HBL PSL X by storm with his middle-order heroics, managing 399 runs in 12 matches with one century and three half-centuries striking at 162 – the second-highest among eight batters to score over 300 runs in the season.

The 22-year-old was not only declared player of the tournament for his high-pressure knocks but was also named Best Batter, plotting a remarkable comeback after 28 runs in three appearances for Islamabad United in 2023.

While the 2024-25 season was highly fruitful for Hasan, it is important to note that he also made the most of opportunities in the previous season playing non-first-class Hanif Mohammad Trophy and 50-over Hanif Mohammad Cup (non-List A) for Islamabad Region.

In the four-day tournament in September and October 2023, he topped the run-charts with 530 runs in seven matches at an average of 53 and a strike rate of 72.11 – the best among the top 20 batters. In the 50-over iteration of the tournament in November 2023 he finished with 229 runs six matches at a strike rate of 90.

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Tracing Mohammad Haris and Hasan Nawaz's T20 rise

The duo ended up as the top two run-scorers against Bangladesh in the recently concluded T20I series Haris became Pakistan’s fifth T20I centurion...
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Justified.

They want to build new superstars for the brand of cricket they want to play. They will draw sponsors and ratings by producing an entertaining brand of cricket.

They have identified the right type of players that will bring the viewers and fans back into Pakistan cricket.

Harris, Nawaz, Saim, Nafay, Farhan. They are all big draws going forward InshaAllah
 
There is a lot to like about Hassan Nawaz. If he keeps improving, I’m pretty sure in no time he would be a top T20I player. Currently, he is head and shoulders above any other Pakistani player when it comes to power hitting.

Mohammad Harris. I’m not convinced on him yet. We have to see how he performs against better teams and on a normal pitch. He was beyond abysmal during New Zealand tour. He was even struggling to out bat on the ball. However, I like his approach. He likes to get on with the game. Doesn’t waste balls. Plus , he’s someone who strives on confidence. This series should give him a lot of confidence which should help him in future series.
 
That's how you create stars in today's digital world.

We saw how Babar was made a "brand". Let these youngsters have a digital platform as well. Let them have Ads and followers as well. If they fail. They will eventually fall off like many have in the past. It's a natural cycle. If they survive. They will become superstars.
 
A good try by PCB, Pakistan need players who can pull the crowds.
 
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We know have the young players with brutal power game and hopefully they will improve all together in next couple of years. Need to add Shamyl and Shahzeb in to the mix as well.
 
Overhype generally ends bad in the end but I hope things are gone in the right direction this time... We cannot be judging players based on 2-3 games that too against a weaker opponent but a win is a win.
 
Hasan Nawaz and Mohammad Haris were instrumental in Pakistan’s emphatic 3-0 T20I series sweep over Bangladesh, delivering standout performances that lit up the rankings. Haris led the charge with a breathtaking unbeaten 107 off 46 balls in the final match, finishing as the series' top scorer with 167 runs at a blistering strike rate of 201.12. His explosive form earned him the Player of the Series award and rocketed him 210 places up the ICC Men’s T20I Batter Rankings to No.30. Not far behind, Hasan Nawaz provided consistent firepower in the middle order, amassing 121 runs at a strike rate of 198.36 to finish second on the run charts. His efforts saw him climb 57 spots to a career-best joint 45th in the rankings, marking a breakthrough moment for both rising stars in international cricket.
 
Either you are blind, or just plain stupid; if you follow this sport on cricinfo then you will come up with childish views, anyone with a basic knowledge of cricket who takes a look at the talent pool would tell you who does and doesn’t pass the eye test in the shorter forms.
 
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let it be known that now that these boys are given the freedom to unleash, they are here to stay, we got Saim and Farhan at the top, if one of them is feeling off we got Fakhar to step in, we can open with Haris if we want to as well, no problem there, and heck Hassan Nawaz can open the innings as well. No position is fixed and no fatwa has been issued for one particular player to bat in position x
 
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Completely justified. Scoring a century in T20 by playing aggressively from the start is no small feat—and it’s definitely not just luck. Sure, a quickfire 30 or 40 can be down to luck, but reaching a hundred takes real talent. If these two guys can find consistency, the team could be extremely dangerous.

Just watch Haris bat—the way he finds gaps and plays 360° shows he's not limited in his shot selection. He can be unstoppable. Consistency is the key. If they keep learning from their mistakes and improving, the sky's the limit.
 
They hyped saim before them, and rightly so. All three are future of pct and deserve it. Public already loves them just like they did saim.
 
Underhyped in my opinion. I’ve seen far worse knocks being hyped to the moon. It could be the start of something really promising with these bunch of players.
 
There is nothing overhyped about Hassan's six hitting ability against spin and Harris's versatility.

The ease with which Saim and Harris pull fast bowler for sixes of the back foot is something that we have been missing. Apart from Sharjeel and young Umar Akmal, no one has been able to do that consistently in last 20 years.
 
Hassan has been a revelation in that middle order. Although still just 3 games but he looks a lot more relaxed and in control at 4.

Haris also looked good but they will get challenged against stronger teams. Bangaldesh was not one of them.
 
I have not seen a more rubbish batter tha M. HARRIS

5 of 14 balls that to against Bangladesh
 
Hassan Nawaz needs to learn a lot through playing the longer formats. But he has a lot of ingredients that our batters are missing. He should be persisted with.
Harris is a tullar. Bats like Bilal Asif, Awais Zia etc.
 
Both have potential. Should be given a long rope. Harris needs to work on his technique. He has curtailed himself from attempting scoops and flicks over the keeper which is good but his footwork, head positioning and shot selection needs more work.

A lot of people call this reckless but I actually love this selfless approach of Harris and Hassan. They have played for the team since their debuts and never tried to secure there place in the team with 'proper technique' cricket. That is admirable given the kind of insecurity our cricketing culture breeds in our players.
 
I will put my money on Hassan nawaz if I have to choose 1.

Haris is a failure and he can bat only on flat tracks... Too much overhyped
 
BouncerGuy said:
I will put my money on Hassan nawaz if I have to choose 1.

Haris is a failure and he can bat only on flat tracks... Too much overhyped
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Until and unless they play test cricket they wont improve.

Cameron Green despite failing in test is now killing it in t20 cricket.

You can clearly tell his technique and footwork has improved.
 
Rana said:
Justified.

They want to build new superstars for the brand of cricket they want to play. They will draw sponsors and ratings by producing an entertaining brand of cricket.

They have identified the right type of players that will bring the viewers and fans back into Pakistan cricket.

Harris, Nawaz, Saim, Nafay, Farhan. They are all big draws going forward InshaAllah
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It took one series for this to come crashing down.

Both are proper tullaybaaz, who will find it difficult to succeed at international level. Haris specially seems to be a complete joke if the conditions aren’t flat.
 
He has the talent and can play all type of shots can play scoop all these fancy shots but his biggest problem will be how he handle indian spinners can he stay on crease long enough is remain to be seen he needs to know which ball he can play his shot don't go every ball huge hope on him let's see what he does.
 
Putting these two in same bracket is injustice to Hassan Nawaz.

M Haris still hasn’t grown up while Hassan already looks like our most mature batsman.
 
cricketmania22 said:
There is a lot to like about Hassan Nawaz. If he keeps improving, I’m pretty sure in no time he would be a top T20I player. Currently, he is head and shoulders above any other Pakistani player when it comes to power hitting.

Mohammad Harris. I’m not convinced on him yet. We have to see how he performs against better teams and on a normal pitch. He was beyond abysmal during New Zealand tour. He was even struggling to out bat on the ball. However, I like his approach. He likes to get on with the game. Doesn’t waste balls. Plus , he’s someone who strives on confidence. This series should give him a lot of confidence which should help him in future series.
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Agree on Hassan.

I’m pretty convinced on M Haris. He is unlikely to perform consistently for Pak. I won’t rate flash in the pan performances.
 
I think Hassan has already done much more in his short career than what haris has.

Haris has not been able to transform into a mature batter but Hassan nawaz has done it nicely and he knows his limitations.
 
Haris has already overstayed. After Asia cup we should see the end of him.

Otherwise he’s the real parchi if he keeps on performing like this and retains his place.
 
Obaidd said:
Haris has already overstayed. After Asia cup we should see the end of him.

Otherwise he’s the real parchi if he keeps on performing like this and retains his place.
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He won't retain his place if he doesn't perform.
 
Hasan Nawaz has justified his hype... On the other hand, People are justifying Haris's hype with useless arguments..
 
Rana said:
Justified.

They want to build new superstars for the brand of cricket they want to play. They will draw sponsors and ratings by producing an entertaining brand of cricket.

They have identified the right type of players that will bring the viewers and fans back into Pakistan cricket.

Harris, Nawaz, Saim, Nafay, Farhan. They are all big draws going forward InshaAllah
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The level of delusion is hilarious and depressing at the same time.
 
Mamoon said:
The level of delusion is hilarious and depressing at the same time.
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Hi Mamoon,



I hope this finds you well. Over the past few days and weeks, I have been contemplating my engagement in discussions here particularly with yourself. I believe we have had disagreements over subjects pertaining to cricket (also maybe some subjects unrelated to cricket) for close to a decade since you have been a part of this wonderful forum. These disagreements time and time again have escalated into very nasty exchanges between us and have also caused a serious divide amongst the supporters of Pakistan cricket who are also in one way or another participating in exchanges of a hostile nature.



In the past, I may have sadistically enjoyed these moments of extreme hostility where I could get one over you and wait for my time to get back at you when you had the better of me in subjects in which we are adamant to stick to our individual narratives. Let it be clear, my narrative or the collective narrative of many supporters of Pakistan cricket here stems for our love for this cricket team and for its potential growth. We have, and I have indeed hounded certain individual players who I feel are not sincere to the cause of Pakistan cricket and instead serve their own personal interests.



In the past year or so, I feel that the tensions between us have reached a point where the discussion no matter how toxic, is serving no benefit to you or to me as we both will not stubbornly budge from our perspective. I do not feel our goals align for this team; I do not feel your goals are for the betterment of Pakistan cricket but are driven by an agenda to promote everything that I stand against. This isn’t a complaint, as you are entitled to deliver your view in the best way you deem necessary, and I am entitled to reject it how I find it appropriate. However, the element of respect in these debates and arguments has completely gone out of the window of late, and this is a point of serious concern at least for me.



To have an obsession in verbal combat during debates is commendable, the obsession in your case is to reject my cricketing perspective especially when it concerns Pakistan white ball cricket, but to lower yourself to the point of personal attacks is something that I have overlooked in your case. I have overlooked your personal attack on my religious affiliation in the past; I have also continued to engage with you having suffered abusive remarks to my personality and my family members. To some extent, I have also returned the favor as a response. I am not proud of it. I apologize for any hurt that I have caused as a result.



However, I feel that now I have reached the point where our discussions cannot advance. Recently, the choice of your words in some exchanges with other posters has left a bad mark on me having seen you fall into a disgraceful manner. I do not wish to go into the details of your posts, but you, I, the moderators and the posters who you have collided with on these subjects know fully of your misdemeanors in this regard. Your recent siding of the anti-Pakistan sentiment from a political point of view has also been very sad to see, as I feel you have been highly disrespectful to the innocent souls that were lost due to the Indian Military’s unwarranted aggression towards the citizens of Pakistan; all this because two of your players were not selected to represent the Pakistan T20i side?



It has made me realize that I cannot enjoy posting on this forum and contributing towards suggestions that could potentially enlighten others who are looking to view cricket from a point of view that has been devised over years of close study of the game and that too from the intense amount of cricket that is being played around the world, in order to contextualize the strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan cricket, and to use that perspective for the improvement of Pakistan cricket as a whole.



Therefore, from henceforth I have decided that I will not engage with you on any subject. I cannot trust being courteous or even disrespectful to a person whose views are not consistent. I no longer wish to be guilty of creating a negative atmosphere for the posters here having pointlessly argued, fought, and insulted one another for things that really are not even in our control.



This being my final message to you, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors. I pray you find peace as a cricket fan, or a human being as well if that’s something that is evading your soul one way or another.



Regards,

Rana​
 
Rana said:
Hi Mamoon,



I hope this finds you well. Over the past few days and weeks, I have been contemplating my engagement in discussions here particularly with yourself. I believe we have had disagreements over subjects pertaining to cricket (also maybe some subjects unrelated to cricket) for close to a decade since you have been a part of this wonderful forum. These disagreements time and time again have escalated into very nasty exchanges between us and have also caused a serious divide amongst the supporters of Pakistan cricket who are also in one way or another participating in exchanges of a hostile nature.



In the past, I may have sadistically enjoyed these moments of extreme hostility where I could get one over you and wait for my time to get back at you when you had the better of me in subjects in which we are adamant to stick to our individual narratives. Let it be clear, my narrative or the collective narrative of many supporters of Pakistan cricket here stems for our love for this cricket team and for its potential growth. We have, and I have indeed hounded certain individual players who I feel are not sincere to the cause of Pakistan cricket and instead serve their own personal interests.



In the past year or so, I feel that the tensions between us have reached a point where the discussion no matter how toxic, is serving no benefit to you or to me as we both will not stubbornly budge from our perspective. I do not feel our goals align for this team; I do not feel your goals are for the betterment of Pakistan cricket but are driven by an agenda to promote everything that I stand against. This isn’t a complaint, as you are entitled to deliver your view in the best way you deem necessary, and I am entitled to reject it how I find it appropriate. However, the element of respect in these debates and arguments has completely gone out of the window of late, and this is a point of serious concern at least for me.



To have an obsession in verbal combat during debates is commendable, the obsession in your case is to reject my cricketing perspective especially when it concerns Pakistan white ball cricket, but to lower yourself to the point of personal attacks is something that I have overlooked in your case. I have overlooked your personal attack on my religious affiliation in the past; I have also continued to engage with you having suffered abusive remarks to my personality and my family members. To some extent, I have also returned the favor as a response. I am not proud of it. I apologize for any hurt that I have caused as a result.



However, I feel that now I have reached the point where our discussions cannot advance. Recently, the choice of your words in some exchanges with other posters has left a bad mark on me having seen you fall into a disgraceful manner. I do not wish to go into the details of your posts, but you, I, the moderators and the posters who you have collided with on these subjects know fully of your misdemeanors in this regard. Your recent siding of the anti-Pakistan sentiment from a political point of view has also been very sad to see, as I feel you have been highly disrespectful to the innocent souls that were lost due to the Indian Military’s unwarranted aggression towards the citizens of Pakistan; all this because two of your players were not selected to represent the Pakistan T20i side?



It has made me realize that I cannot enjoy posting on this forum and contributing towards suggestions that could potentially enlighten others who are looking to view cricket from a point of view that has been devised over years of close study of the game and that too from the intense amount of cricket that is being played around the world, in order to contextualize the strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan cricket, and to use that perspective for the improvement of Pakistan cricket as a whole.



Therefore, from henceforth I have decided that I will not engage with you on any subject. I cannot trust being courteous or even disrespectful to a person whose views are not consistent. I no longer wish to be guilty of creating a negative atmosphere for the posters here having pointlessly argued, fought, and insulted one another for things that really are not even in our control.



This being my final message to you, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors. I pray you find peace as a cricket fan, or a human being as well if that’s something that is evading your soul one way or another.



Regards,

Rana​
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I'd like to stand by your side on this as well. 👍🏻👍🏻. Completly agree with my bro.
 
Hassan Nawaz deserves the hype. He has great techniques and a good strike-rate (150+). He should be persisted with.

Haris is struggling. Probably needs to be dropped.

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sweep_shot said:
Hassan Nawaz deserves the hype. He has great techniques and a good strike-rate (150+). He should be persisted with.

Haris is struggling. Probably needs to be dropped.

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That 23 average is not great but still better than most of his mates. Good stats under the circumstances. Not all gloom and doom for this guy at all but playing him at 6 is just wrong. Could be another case of mismanaged talent after saim.
 
Hasan really needs to wake up before the time flies away.... Things are bad for him. His form has taken a nose dive. He was supposed ot play spin better and should have been the perfect player for these pitches, but he is proving to be useless so far.
 
Rana said:
Hi Mamoon,



I hope this finds you well. Over the past few days and weeks, I have been contemplating my engagement in discussions here particularly with yourself. I believe we have had disagreements over subjects pertaining to cricket (also maybe some subjects unrelated to cricket) for close to a decade since you have been a part of this wonderful forum. These disagreements time and time again have escalated into very nasty exchanges between us and have also caused a serious divide amongst the supporters of Pakistan cricket who are also in one way or another participating in exchanges of a hostile nature.



In the past, I may have sadistically enjoyed these moments of extreme hostility where I could get one over you and wait for my time to get back at you when you had the better of me in subjects in which we are adamant to stick to our individual narratives. Let it be clear, my narrative or the collective narrative of many supporters of Pakistan cricket here stems for our love for this cricket team and for its potential growth. We have, and I have indeed hounded certain individual players who I feel are not sincere to the cause of Pakistan cricket and instead serve their own personal interests.



In the past year or so, I feel that the tensions between us have reached a point where the discussion no matter how toxic, is serving no benefit to you or to me as we both will not stubbornly budge from our perspective. I do not feel our goals align for this team; I do not feel your goals are for the betterment of Pakistan cricket but are driven by an agenda to promote everything that I stand against. This isn’t a complaint, as you are entitled to deliver your view in the best way you deem necessary, and I am entitled to reject it how I find it appropriate. However, the element of respect in these debates and arguments has completely gone out of the window of late, and this is a point of serious concern at least for me.



To have an obsession in verbal combat during debates is commendable, the obsession in your case is to reject my cricketing perspective especially when it concerns Pakistan white ball cricket, but to lower yourself to the point of personal attacks is something that I have overlooked in your case. I have overlooked your personal attack on my religious affiliation in the past; I have also continued to engage with you having suffered abusive remarks to my personality and my family members. To some extent, I have also returned the favor as a response. I am not proud of it. I apologize for any hurt that I have caused as a result.



However, I feel that now I have reached the point where our discussions cannot advance. Recently, the choice of your words in some exchanges with other posters has left a bad mark on me having seen you fall into a disgraceful manner. I do not wish to go into the details of your posts, but you, I, the moderators and the posters who you have collided with on these subjects know fully of your misdemeanors in this regard. Your recent siding of the anti-Pakistan sentiment from a political point of view has also been very sad to see, as I feel you have been highly disrespectful to the innocent souls that were lost due to the Indian Military’s unwarranted aggression towards the citizens of Pakistan; all this because two of your players were not selected to represent the Pakistan T20i side?



It has made me realize that I cannot enjoy posting on this forum and contributing towards suggestions that could potentially enlighten others who are looking to view cricket from a point of view that has been devised over years of close study of the game and that too from the intense amount of cricket that is being played around the world, in order to contextualize the strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan cricket, and to use that perspective for the improvement of Pakistan cricket as a whole.



Therefore, from henceforth I have decided that I will not engage with you on any subject. I cannot trust being courteous or even disrespectful to a person whose views are not consistent. I no longer wish to be guilty of creating a negative atmosphere for the posters here having pointlessly argued, fought, and insulted one another for things that really are not even in our control.



This being my final message to you, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors. I pray you find peace as a cricket fan, or a human being as well if that’s something that is evading your soul one way or another.



Regards,

Rana​
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I don’t know why you felt the need to write this. He won’t listen. You’re discussing completely different points always and actually repeating favourite topics which can be summed up quite easily.

As for these two. They are too raw and to hype them means to use international cricket as a finishing school. The only question is where else can our players develop if not by being thrown into international cricket a little sooner than needed. Haris has had enough chances he’s being found out now.

Pak batters need to do two things in the modern game to succeed. Become 360 players to take in bowlers and learn to not get carried away when conditions are not right. Technique and temperament.

Our players just don’t have that and until then they will be chancers and mamoon will always point that out. Nothing wrong with that
 
Well, this is very bad from a guy who was thought to be a spin killer.

Hasan Nawaz in the Tri-Series & Asia Cup:

3(4), 5(7), 9(15), 15(8), 4(6), 9(12), 56(26), 9(13).

The biggest disappointment for Pakistan.
 
Ali Active said:
i guess Views should remain constant
imo constant changing and chopping of views and opinions cause the other person to not trust the credibility of opinions, they can feel biased. and not neutral
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It's fine if people change views i don't mind. But the line should always be drawn somewhere.

I have disagreements with my brothers @RidiculousMan and @Rana often but I never go so far as to insulting what they said or taking it even a step further to insult their mother or family.

The only time I do so and rana has done so as well when other posters start doing it and we both feel the need to defend ourselves.

Hence taking the stand of no longer engaging is something I forward. Why stoop so low into getting into mother insults when you can just ignore posters and have a peaceful day?

Otherwise all views should be respected. I don't have any issues with people who support Babar and Rizwan. If they like said players and believe that with them the team gets better, then even go i disagree its 100% their right to voice that argument and advocate on them.
 
mominsaigol said:
It's fine if people change views i don't mind. But the line should always be drawn somewhere.

I have disagreements with my brothers @RidiculousMan and @Rana often but I never go so far as to insulting what they said or taking it even a step further to insult their mother or family.

The only time I do so and rana has done so as well when other posters start doing it and we both feel the need to defend ourselves.

Hence taking the stand of no longer engaging is something I forward. Why stoop so low into getting into mother insults when you can just ignore posters and have a peaceful day?

Otherwise all views should be respected. I don't have any issues with people who support Babar and Rizwan. If they like said players and believe that with them the team gets better, then even go i disagree its 100% their right to voice that argument and advocate on them.
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Yeah views change but not like one day babar and rizwan are no 1 other day they are losers the complete opposite of views makes your mind wonder

Also abusive part is very low no one should abuse no one
 
Ali Active said:
Yeah views change but not like one day babar and rizwan are no 1 other day they are losers the complete opposite of views makes your mind wonder

Also abusive part is very low no one should abuse no one
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I think Some posters are contratrions who just enjoy controversy.

When Babar and Rizwan were liked and pakistan was supported as a no 1 team by a majority of fans, Mamoon use to hate PK and Hate Ba/Riz.

When ba/riz lost form and PK garnered a negative perception, Mamoon went the opposite route.

Currently people are voicing concerns for the PK team but due to loss of form of players, not that the players themselves are unsuited to t20 cricket well with the exception of Salman Ali Agha who probably isn't a t20 batsmen.

Hence Mamoon is once again going the opposite route to trash teams.

Ig some people like controversy lol
 
mominsaigol said:
I think Some posters are contratrions who just enjoy controversy.

When Babar and Rizwan were liked and pakistan was supported as a no 1 team by a majority of fans, Mamoon use to hate PK and Hate Ba/Riz.

When ba/riz lost form and PK garnered a negative perception, Mamoon went the opposite route.

Currently people are voicing concerns for the PK team but due to loss of form of players, not that the players themselves are unsuited to t20 cricket well with the exception of Salman Ali Agha who probably isn't a t20 batsmen.

Hence Mamoon is once again going the opposite route to trash teams.

Ig some people like controversy lol
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Is the batting lineup that’s playing in the Asia Cup the best available T20I lineup in Pakistan?

It’s a yes or no question.
 
Rana said:
Hi Mamoon,



I hope this finds you well. Over the past few days and weeks, I have been contemplating my engagement in discussions here particularly with yourself. I believe we have had disagreements over subjects pertaining to cricket (also maybe some subjects unrelated to cricket) for close to a decade since you have been a part of this wonderful forum. These disagreements time and time again have escalated into very nasty exchanges between us and have also caused a serious divide amongst the supporters of Pakistan cricket who are also in one way or another participating in exchanges of a hostile nature.



In the past, I may have sadistically enjoyed these moments of extreme hostility where I could get one over you and wait for my time to get back at you when you had the better of me in subjects in which we are adamant to stick to our individual narratives. Let it be clear, my narrative or the collective narrative of many supporters of Pakistan cricket here stems for our love for this cricket team and for its potential growth. We have, and I have indeed hounded certain individual players who I feel are not sincere to the cause of Pakistan cricket and instead serve their own personal interests.



In the past year or so, I feel that the tensions between us have reached a point where the discussion no matter how toxic, is serving no benefit to you or to me as we both will not stubbornly budge from our perspective. I do not feel our goals align for this team; I do not feel your goals are for the betterment of Pakistan cricket but are driven by an agenda to promote everything that I stand against. This isn’t a complaint, as you are entitled to deliver your view in the best way you deem necessary, and I am entitled to reject it how I find it appropriate. However, the element of respect in these debates and arguments has completely gone out of the window of late, and this is a point of serious concern at least for me.



To have an obsession in verbal combat during debates is commendable, the obsession in your case is to reject my cricketing perspective especially when it concerns Pakistan white ball cricket, but to lower yourself to the point of personal attacks is something that I have overlooked in your case. I have overlooked your personal attack on my religious affiliation in the past; I have also continued to engage with you having suffered abusive remarks to my personality and my family members. To some extent, I have also returned the favor as a response. I am not proud of it. I apologize for any hurt that I have caused as a result.



However, I feel that now I have reached the point where our discussions cannot advance. Recently, the choice of your words in some exchanges with other posters has left a bad mark on me having seen you fall into a disgraceful manner. I do not wish to go into the details of your posts, but you, I, the moderators and the posters who you have collided with on these subjects know fully of your misdemeanors in this regard. Your recent siding of the anti-Pakistan sentiment from a political point of view has also been very sad to see, as I feel you have been highly disrespectful to the innocent souls that were lost due to the Indian Military’s unwarranted aggression towards the citizens of Pakistan; all this because two of your players were not selected to represent the Pakistan T20i side?



It has made me realize that I cannot enjoy posting on this forum and contributing towards suggestions that could potentially enlighten others who are looking to view cricket from a point of view that has been devised over years of close study of the game and that too from the intense amount of cricket that is being played around the world, in order to contextualize the strengths and weaknesses of Pakistan cricket, and to use that perspective for the improvement of Pakistan cricket as a whole.



Therefore, from henceforth I have decided that I will not engage with you on any subject. I cannot trust being courteous or even disrespectful to a person whose views are not consistent. I no longer wish to be guilty of creating a negative atmosphere for the posters here having pointlessly argued, fought, and insulted one another for things that really are not even in our control.



This being my final message to you, I wish you all the best of luck in your future endeavors. I pray you find peace as a cricket fan, or a human being as well if that’s something that is evading your soul one way or another.



Regards,

Rana​
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I hope you two will make up as you're both Pakistan and Arsenal fans (like I am).

You were both on the same page up until the 2023 World Cup but then all of a sudden things changed.

No one should be on the receiving end of personal attacks because they don't approve of Babar and Rizwan. Like everyone else, Mamoon knows they're selfish and he was calling out their fans up until 2 years ago before a dramatic U-turn took place. Only God knows what happened to him.
 
Mamoon said:
Is the batting lineup that’s playing in the Asia Cup the best available T20I lineup in Pakistan?

It’s a yes or no question.
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I'd argue few players are from pak a squad are better suited to spin conditions but they're not rizwan and babar or from same school.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Well, this is very bad from a guy who was thought to be a spin killer.

Hasan Nawaz in the Tri-Series & Asia Cup:

3(4), 5(7), 9(15), 15(8), 4(6), 9(12), 56(26), 9(13).

The biggest disappointment for Pakistan.
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All bowles and batsmen get scrutinized. If world class bowlers spot any vulnerability in a player they will use it against him to the fullest. I am sure he will play overseas leagues where information gets shared. Teams always come up with plan no matter how good you are. Couple of seasons back KL Rahul as captain tossed teh ball to a rookie lef tarm spinner to openwhen Kohli opened. He placed somewhat an unorthodox point. Sure enough Kohli cut straight to him. People read you, analyze you more when your wicket is considered important. Anytime Dube comes in almost every IPL team would start using seamers from both end as he can be destructive against spin.
 
Mamoon said:
Is the batting lineup that’s playing in the Asia Cup the best available T20I lineup in Pakistan?

It’s a yes or no question.
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No it isn't.

But if you were to add Babar and rizwan tur answer is still no
 
Exactly the kind of players you need in T20 and ICC tournaments.

Most matches are played on good pitches ball comes onto the bat nicely.

Specially ICC tournaments are batting pitch oriented. These guys will succeed there.

Players like Rizwan and other accumulators will SUCK THE LIFE OUT on high scoring pitches and in ICC tournaments (will score, but with zero impact and below par strike rates).

Don’t ever judge young batting talent on slow low lifeless UAE pitches.
 
mominsaigol said:
No it isn't.

But if you were to add Babar and rizwan tur answer is still no
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You can only select from what is available. Picking Farhan and Haris over Babar and Rizwan is not a merit based decision.
 
Dropping him today was a grave mistake that will most likely cost Pakistan the match. This is a pretty good wicket to bat on and he could have caused some serious damage. Plus, Hussain Talat isn’t a T20 player.
 
Hawkeye said:
Exactly the kind of players you need in T20 and ICC tournaments.

Most matches are played on good pitches ball comes onto the bat nicely.

Specially ICC tournaments are batting pitch oriented. These guys will succeed there.

Players like Rizwan and other accumulators will SUCK THE LIFE OUT on high scoring pitches and in ICC tournaments (will score, but with zero impact and below par strike rates).

Don’t ever judge young batting talent on slow low lifeless UAE pitches.
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Wow. That's a very sensible and reasonable post. Rare to see a post like this that actually describes the problem.

If you look at the Bangladesh home series. You will see how our youngsters thrived.
 
Hassan Nawaz is a hack, in the mould of his forefathers Shahzeb Hasan Sharjeel Khan nothing else , the Auckland ton was a paradoX , don't forget the boundary size there. Sadly PCB thinks their gimmicky will cover everything. Beaten black and blue by India in 4 days , Naqvi must give up
 
Players like Hasan Nawaz, Mohammad Haris, Mohammad Naeem, etc. Are the kind of players that have to be groomed properly if Pakistan wants to compete on world stage with the bat.

Otherwise they can carry on with the accumulators.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Wow. That's a very sensible and reasonable post. Rare to see a post like this that actually describes the problem.

If you look at the Bangladesh home series. You will see how our youngsters thrived.
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Yep.

Today was the pitch where Hassan Nawaz and M Haris should have played.

Management did not let both of them bat!!!!!!

Ridiculous!!!
 
Hawkeye said:
Yep.

Today was the pitch where Hassan Nawaz and M Haris should have played.

Management did not let both of them bat!!!!!!

Ridiculous!!!
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I fear. We'll be back to square 1. Old conservative batting approach of RizBar. Regardless of circumstances
 
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