PCB to approach ICC Disputes Resolution Committee over compensation claim against BCCI [Update #17]

[Abdullah719]

Shahryar Khan at a press conference after the 45th meeting of the PCB's governing board:

"This was my last meeting and the last meeting for the Board of Governors."

"I am still getting congratulatory messages about the CT win. It was a huge victory for us and the effects of that are clear for all to see. Our situation is not that bad. Our domestic cricket is not that bad, our coaches thanks to God are very good and they have brought our team to this level."

"The bio-mechanical lab is set to start functioning next month. Pakistan will be the 7th country with a bio-mechanical lab."

"I am told that the Anti-Corruption trials will reach a final conclusion next month."

"The team had a lot of jazba in the CT final, I think we would have defeated any team that came in front of us that day. Sarfraz deserves a lot of credit for that. The team is now full of confidence."

"Our Women's team showcased very poor performance at the WWC. The reason for this is that the team has been the same since 8-10 years."

"Since India has not fulfilled it's promise of playing us, we have filed a case that will go to the ICC Disputes Resolution Committee. We have fulfilled some requirements for that process such as writing BCCI a letter to tell them why we are suing them. If they didn't respond then we were required to hold a meeting with them and tell them why we are initiating this process. If that still doesn't make the case move forward then a meeting needed to be formed with ICC's top executives to try to come to a resolution. We tried that but they didn't budge. They say that they want to fulfill the commitments but their govt. stops them but that isn't our problem. They wrote a contract. We have waited a long time and now we have taken the next step of filing a case at the ICC Disputes Resolution Committee."

"Regarding Bangladesh and Afghanistan - the latter gave a strong political statement so we decided we don't want to have anything to do with them. Their Chairman apologised to me privately and said it was a mistake that they regret but we had made our decision. Until they publicly take back what they said, we won't consider having bilateral ties."

"Regarding Bangladesh, we've been saying to them for so long to come to Pakistan. If they can't come for a full tour then they can come for 2-3 T20s. We have already been to BD for two full tours without reciprocation. We can't go again. So our ties are on hold with Bangladesh at the moment."

"Regarding the World XI tour, it hasn't been finalised. They say that until our provincial government doesn't approve the matches, they can not persuade players to come. Hopefully that is resolved soon. We are however still on course. The plan is for the tour to start on 12th September if all is cleared."

"There was an animated discussion on the domestic scene. Karachi were of the view that the draft system is wrong but we have decided to implement it otherwise corruption and nepotism will be rife."

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[Abdullah719]

PCB to file case against India in ICC dispute resolution committee: Shaharyar

LAHORE: Outgoing Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Shaharyar M Khan has said that they are going to file case against the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) in the ICC dispute resolution committee for non-fulfillment of the MoU signed between the two boards.

“During the board of governors meeting, the house unanimously decided to sue the BCCI for not fulfilling its promise of playing bilateral series with Pakistan. For filing this case in the ICC dispute resolution committee, we needed to fulfill the some requirements which included write a letter to the BCCI, why we are going to sue them, then have a meeting with them to tell them about the reasons for taking this step, and then arrange a high-level meeting with them involving top ICC officials. We have taken all these steps, but no positive reply came from the BCCI, which always keep on saying, we are ready to play Pakistan but our government doesn’t allow us. Now all the requirements have been fulfilled and we are ready to sue them,” Shaharyar said this while addressing the press conference here at PCB headquarters. Also present on the occasion were PSL head Najam Sethi and Shakil Shaikh.

In the morning session, Shaharyar presided over the last Board of Governors meeting, which discussed different important things regarding domestic cricket structure, incentive for first class players and umpires, PCB budget and many other things. During the presser, both Shaharyar Khan and Najam Sethi described most of the developments of the BoG meeting and the steps they are going to take in future.

Shaharyar said that in his opening remarks, he thanked everyone for supporting him as a PCB chairman during his tenure, which he termed as very successful. “I am really grateful to the entire PCB family which supported me in every matter and helped me complete my tenure in a successful. I hope the next board will run the PCB affairs in better manner and they will try to resume international cricket in Pakistan.

“In the meeting, the most important thing was that I have still been receiving congratulatory remarks on Pakistan cricket team’s Champions Trophy winning. Our domestic structure is not as poor as it is portrayed, instead we are far better than many of the cricket playing nations. And our coaches are also very good, that’s why we have been producing better results at international level and succeeded in winning the Champions Trophy. The passion of Pakistan cricket team was sky high after the league stage, and this passion helped them beat the best teams of the tournament and succeeded in the winning the Champions Trophy. I hope this team, under the leadership of captain Sarfraz, will further progress,” he added.

About PSL spot-fixing scandal, the PCB chairman said, “Yes, the spot-fixing though tried to damage Pakistan cricket and especially Pakistan Super League, yet we have overcome it well in time. Some players were suspended and fined timely, which helped us control it and I hope we will get rid of this fixing issue soon.”

To a query regarding pathetic performance of women cricket team, Shaharyar said, “I agree Pakistan women gave their worst performance in the ICC Women’s World Cup and there is a dire need to bring improvement in it. There is less interest of girls in cricket, that’s why we are not getting good talent but we are trying to hunt fresh talent, which must be groomed well and given proper chances to make our women team better.”

About World XI tour, the PCB chief said, “We have discussed with Giles Clarke about World XI tour, but the thing is that the Punjab government didn’t allow us yet, so as soon as we get green signal from the provincial government, we will invite them to visit the country and see the security situation here.”

Shaharyar said that he met with head coach Mickey Arthur, who said that Grant Flower is a very good batting coach, as he focuses on lower middle order, which always help in adding some valuable runs in the total in the dying overs of the match, so let him continue his job as it will benefit Pakistan cricket and especially batting in longer run.

PCB EXCO chairman Najam Sethi has said that the new drafting system would help the genuine players get due right of representing the country at international while it would discourage ****** system. “When the drafting system was criticized by different regions head, who also gave their suggestions to make it better one, we have decided to pick 10 players from region and 10 from drafting while two emerging players from U-19 cricket will be picked up. I hope this will not only provide regional players proper chance, but also make the domestic cricket more challenging and entertaining.”

When Sethi was pointed out towards the Supreme Court decision of PM’s disqualification and was asked about his fate as a new PCB chairman, he said, “Islamabad decision wouldn’t have any influence on the Pakistan Cricket Board. Although the PCB is patron-less now, yet everything in the PCB will go on in a routine way. There is no hurdle for me to contest the elections but discussing about anything about it is premature.”

Sethi said the Pakistan Super League (PSL), which has now starting bearing fruit, will now fully support the Pakistan Cricket Board, as the total revenue the board earns from the ICC, half of it will come from Pakistan Super League.

He said that the Election Commissioner was appointed by the board, who would start work within one or two day. “A candidate needs 5 to 6 votes for taking over the charge of PCB chairman slot. So two of new board members are Ejaz Arif and me, which the remaining ones, you all know very well, but the Election Commissioner will also announce everything, so the election process will be transparent.”

To a query regarding deficit in the PCB budget, Sethi said, “As we all know, due to the PSL matches in Karachi and Lahore, we have renovated the Gaddafi Stadium first and now renovating the Karachi Stadium, so we are using our finances on these development work. And another thing is that we are going to file case against the BCCI so we have allocated Rs 10 billion (Rs 1 Arab) in this regard.”

Sethi said that the PCB has taken good steps towards improvement of domestic cricket and the players’ contract has been 100 percent increased. “Through this drafting system, the players will get more and fair chances to represent their regions in first class cricket and not only this, they will also get the whole-year contract. Earlier, we used to give 6-month stipend to emerging players, but now we will give them one-year stipend. Quality cricket will be played while international-standard balls will be used and this all will surely raise the standard of our domestic cricket.”

http://nation.com.pk/sports/28-Jul-...in-icc-dispute-resolution-committee-shaharyar

 

[Stewie]

Baatein **** lo. Kerna kuch nahi!

India has gone back on their commitments not once, not twice, like ten times in the past. What were you able to do about it then?

We need some people with cajones at the top, all we get from these clowns are akroo "statements"

 

[KingKhanWC]

PCB has the right to do so.

If the Indian government stops India, it's not Pakistan's fault. They should be compensated for their loss.

 

[Stewie]

PCB has the right to do so.

If the Indian government stops India, it's not Pakistan's fault. They should be compensated for their loss.

ICC doesn't have the balls to intervene and do the right thing! Just watch!

 

[Markhor]

Their Chairman apologised to me privately and said it was a mistake that they regret but we had made our decision.

Not a private conversation anymore when you've just told the whole world Shery saab !

 

[Abdullah719]

Not a private conversation anymore when you've just told the whole world Shery saab !

I was wondering the same thing when I was listening to SK speaking.

I definitely would not want to have a 'private conversation' with him at any point as it doesn't remain 'private' for very long.

He could have just said the same thing i.e. we won't accept anything but a public apology without divulging the details of a private conversation.

 

[PakLFC]

Well I hope boring old Shahryar can bring out a positive result out of this. PCB are only good at talking. They rarely manage to get a positive result out of anything when it comes to ICC related matters in particular.

 

[English August]

Would someone explain to this gentleman the difference between a contract and an MOU?

 

[ipl_fan]

These oldies should know the difference between a contract and an MOU. Contracts are legally binding and MOUs are not legally bound promises.


Good luck with the case.

 

[Tusker]

I was wondering the same thing when I was listening to SK speaking.

I definitely would not want to have a 'private conversation' with him at any point as it doesn't remain 'private' for very long.

He could have just said the same thing i.e. we won't accept anything but a public apology without divulging the details of a private conversation.

the thing that absolutely boggles my mind is how this guy survived in his main profession as a diplomat for so long !!! I JUST DONT get it )

 

[Abdullah719]

PCB approves 100% increase in salaries

KARACHI: Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) with the mission of empowering domestic cricket have doubled the salaries of domestic players, while extending their contracts to one year from six months.

Domestic coaches will also benefit from the new system where they have also been handed year-long contracts with increased salaries.

In the last meeting of the current Board of Governors (BoG), which was chaired by outgoing PCB Chairman Shaharyar Khan, the aforementioned terms were agreed in order to help domestic cricket flourish.

“The salaries of the players have been increased 100% while their six month contracts have been extended to one year,” Domestic Affairs Committee Chairman Shakeel Shaikh said after the meeting.

“Meanwhile, board has increased the salaries of domestic coaches too and introduced incentives for them. They will be working with domestic players throughout the year now, and the out-station coaches will also be provided with living stipend,” he added.

Shakeel added that board’s primary focus is to spend money on the players to improve the domestic structure of Pakistan cricket. “We have also agreed to introduce a T20 league for the U-19 players to help them gain experience. The performers will eventually participate in the Pakistan Super League (PSL) from where finished product can be inducted into the national team,” he said.

While the stadiums in Pakistan are in sub-standard conditions, Shakeel promised that work is being done to develop better the pitches and grounds in all 12 cricket stadiums to improve the standards of domestic cricket.


Move welcomed

Karachi Region’s bowling coach Saleem Jaffer told The Express Tribune that PCB’s initiative will help players and coaches set long-term goals

“The coaches will be able to give proper time to the players and their teams without any other worries,” he said. “Even if the coach has to go out of the city for a month or so, it will not be a problem now. This will help the players too to work more on their fitness,” he said.

Meanwhile, Hyderabad team coach Tahir Mehmood also welcomed PCB move.

“Earlier we couldn’t spend enough time with the players, but now with extended contracts, we would be able to invest more energy. Also, players will be available to us throughout the year,” he explained.

“Players would not be interested in training after their six-month contract ended. But now, they will be able to work more on their fitness and we can focus on providing them with quality training.”

He concluded that players who are not associated with departments will extract maximum benefit from this move as they will be able to concentrate on cricket as a full-time job.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1469579/pcb-approves-100-increase-salaries/

 

[Markhor]

the thing that absolutely boggles my mind is how this guy survived in his main profession as a diplomat for so long !!! I JUST DONT get it )

Shehryar will probably pursue this even from beyond the grave.

He'll have written on his tombstone "Honour the MOU !"

 

[Savak]

Lol, the same criticism was made against Imran Khan all these years when he kept fighting against the establishment, against the election rigging of 2013, against the Panama Leaks case i.e. he is all talk, he is fighting a losing battle, nothing will happen, he should just suck it up and move on.

The PCB is in the same boat against the BCCI, fighting for their rights, fighting on principle against all odds but still fighting till the end in a determined manner.

Sums up the Pakistani nation and people in general, a nation of loosers and downers who back down from difficult challenges.

 

[squarecut]

Let him go to any court and waste his nations tapayers money. I am no diplomat, but I can say with certainty that BCCI will not give him one single rupee.

 

[cricketjoshila]

ICC will dismiss the Modi govt and the next govt will allow the tours.

 

[Abdullah719]

PCB to approach ICC body over compensation claim against BCCI

KARACHI: The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) has decided to pursue compensation claim case against the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) with the disputes resolution committee of the International Cricket Council (ICC).

PCB chairman Najam Sethi is in the UK meeting with the British legal firm for advice in this regard. Subhan Ahmed, the Board’s chief operating officer, has also flown to London for the same purpose.

According to Sethi, the PCB’s board of governors has approved an amount of over $1 million to cover the expenses and legal costs of filing and fighting the case before the ICC disputes resolution committee.

“The claim will be formally filed with the ICC any day now as the PCB has been told it has very good chances of winning the compensation claim against the BCCI,” a PCB official told Press Trust of India.

The PCB is seeking compensation from the BCCI for not honouring a MoU signed between the two boards in 2014 under which the two countries were to play six bilateral series from 2015 to 2023.

“The PCB is confident of success because since 2015 it has offered the BCCI to even play at neutral venues if their government is not interested in sending the team to Pakistan or inviting Pakistan team India for security reasons,” the official said.

The BCCI has maintained it cannot play any bilateral matches against Pakistan without the clearance of its government.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1359383/pcb-to-approach-icc-body-over-compensation-claim-against-bcci

 

[Abdullah719]

Sethi reveals new Pak-India bilateral series plan

ISLAMABAD - PCB chairman Najam Aziz Sethi Wednesday said Pakistan are slated to play four bilateral series against India till 2019 in new International Cricket Council programme sent to all the Test playing nations.

Talking to The Nation from London, Seth said the ICC was favouring Pakistan in its new plan for as the Future Tour Programme (FTP) had been abolished and the ICC had sent all Test playing nations new proposals for playing eaxh other.

“I along with Subhan Ahmed will proceed to Auckland, New Zealand on October 9 to participate in the ICC meeting. If the Indians give us a positive response and are willing to come on table for negotiations, we are ready to discuss and if they are still not in a mood to let commonsense prevail, then let me assure all, we are ready to go all out to fight for Pakistan cause. Our case is almost ready and we will file the case against the BCCI and will never back off from our principle stance.”

He said the ICC had scrapped the old FTP, which was based from 2014 to 2022 and after the demise of Big Three, the ICC had sent new proposals and is willing to compensate Pakistan and provide equal rights to all the member boards.

“We are ready to sit on table with India and resume bilateral cricketing ties with archrivals. If they are willing to resume cricketing ties, which are in the best interest of cricket and can bridge gap as people want to watch Pakistan-India in action again, it would be good for cricket and if they don’t then we are ready for the next step.

Sethi also said that after Lahore, which recently hosted PSL final and World XI series, Karachi is next to host PSL fixtures first and then international matches.

“For the time-being, it would be difficult to convince international teams and players to agree to play in other cities, as ICC has given permission of playing matches only in Lahore, after witnessing the PSL final and World XI series here at the Gaddafi Stadium.”

He said Pakistan team is also in transition period like the West Indies and Sri Lanka, but it is better and stronger than these two. “I think Pakistan team is good enough to beat the West Indies in the best-of-three series in November and it can also beat Sri Lanka in Tests, ODIs and T20s. One of the T20 matches of the series will also be played in Lahore according to the plan. When we look at our history, we have never lost in UAE and had managed to beat the likes of Australia, England, West Indies, Sri Lanka and all the major Test-playing nations. We are formidable and almost unbeatable at our second home UAE.”

About returning full-fledged international cricket to Pakistan, Sethi said: “One must understand that we have to convince the ICC and international teams that terrorism is slowly and gradually declining in Pakistan. We could easily host 20,000 plus spectators at Gaddafi Stadium, which is equipped and well-maintained, so I don’t think there is any problem in hosting matches in Lahore.”

“We are also working on improving National Stadium in Karachi, we can host 6000 plus spectators there, but it would take around a year or two before making it a well-furnished venue. We can’t prepare the stadium in next three months, so let us work on this. We are paying full heed towards convincing the ICC and international teams to visit other major cities and right now after Lahore, our main focus is Karachi. It is easy for us to host a few PSL matches in Karachi and we can manage a crowd of around 6000 or more, but not more than that, as maintenance and renovation work is under progress in the stadium,” he added.

When asked about playing international cricket in Multan, Faisalabad and Rawalpindi, Sethi said: “Off course, international cricket can be held in these cities. But right now, we have been facing lot of security problems even during domestic matches, especially in southern Punjab, so we need little bit up gradation. Sometimes due to security issues, district administration doesn’t allow us to conduct domestic tournaments, but gradually, we will improve it. The maintenance and renovation work of other major stadiums are also in progress. Once international community is convinced that security situation has improved in Pakistan, international cricket will return to each and every major city of the country.”

Sethi said the PSL is coming to Pakistan which will provide cricket-crazy nation ample chances of witnessing the super stars playing in front of them.

“After successful conduct of World XI, things are changing fast and I can feel that the ICC and other major stakeholders are now serious about Pakistan cricket and helping us in reviving full-fledged cricket here.”

He said victory in the Champions Trophy proved the world that Pakistan can no longer be set aside and the world has to take Pakistan cricket onboard and for the sake of cricket, international cricket should return to this sports-loving country.

“All have witnessed that how much respect and hospitality we extend to our guests. The way, the people thronged the Gaddafi Stadium and remained disciplined and cheered for both the teams, is a clear indication that Pakistanis love sports and know well how to welcome the guests,” Sethi concluded.

http://nation.com.pk/sports/28-Sep-2017/sethi-reveals-new-pak-india-bilateral-series-plan

 

[CanadianG00se]

Four bilateral series in less than 2 years? Thats an overkill and pure greed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Four bilateral series in less than 2 years? Thats an overkill and pure greed.

No series is going to happen.ICC cannot force the Indian Team.No court has jurisdiction over govt of India and if ICC tries to be funny, GOI will decide what steps to take againist ICC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I dont unddrstand PCBs problem here.Bcci doesnot want to play you.Why is this so difficult to understand?

 

[Shutdown Corner]

No series is going to happen.ICC cannot force the Indian Team.No court has jurisdiction over govt of India and if ICC tries to be funny, GOI will decide what steps to take againist ICC.

GOI doesn't have any jurisdiction over the ICC.

But weren't you the one saying GOI couldn't force the BCCI to accept the ICC's financial model through the CoA? You were refuted quite robustly when the BCCI had to accept 400m instead of the existing 570. You blamed the GOI/SC at that time...can you please make up your mind?

 

[cricketjoshila]

GOI doesn't have any jurisdiction over the ICC.

But weren't you the one saying GOI couldn't force the BCCI to accept the ICC's financial model through the CoA? You were refuted quite robustly when the BCCI had to accept 400m instead of the existing 570. You blamed the GOI/SC at that time...can you please make up your mind?

What are you talking?Please be coherent.

1.GOI can stop broadcast of ICC events in India.Can stop flow of any money from India to ICC.This was in the making in 2000 before ICC got to his senses.

2.BCCI was offered 290mn and finally got 405mn.If bcci had rejected the deal, not played in CT and according to some posters here other countries had boycotted India,then GOI would step in.

3.The CoA is enforced on BCCI by the SC who are the judiciary.The GOI is the executive.They have separate domains.Yes people including me blame the stupid CoA for accepting the ICC terms.Its in the media.please google.


You are totally confused.Please read up about how India and bcci functions, before making such incoherent posts.

 

[R0H1T]

What are you talking?Please be coherent.

1.GOI can stop broadcast of ICC events in India.Can stop flow of any money from India to ICC.This was in the making in 2000 before ICC got to his senses.

2.BCCI was offered 290mn and finally got 405mn.If bcci had rejected the deal, not played in CT and according to some posters here other countries had boycotted India,then GOI would step in.

3.The CoA is enforced on BCCI by the SC who are the judiciary.The GOI is the executive.They have separate domains.Yes people including me blame the stupid CoA for accepting the ICC terms.Its in the media.please google.


You are totally confused.Please read up about how India and bcci functions, before making such incoherent posts.

Some delusional posters, this is like the IOC forcing US or Russia to play each other during the peak of Cold war

 

[kingusama92]

Some delusional posters, this is like the IOC forcing US or Russia to play each other during the peak of Cold war

US-Russia played each other during the Cold War IN America.

Peak was between 1956-1962.

Played each other in Hockey (Russia's main sport) during the semis in California.

It's quite well known because it was the first time the US won a gold medal in ice hockey.

 

[R0H1T]

US-Russia played each other during the Cold War IN America.

Peak was between 1956-1962.

Played each other in Hockey (Russia's main sport) during the semis in California.

It's quite well known because it was the first time the US won a gold medal in ice hockey.

They played of their own will, also boycotted each other in 1980/84

 

[zoeyfactor]

6000 people only in National Stadium? That's crazy. Smalled stadium in the world?

 

[mmkextreme_1]

6000 people only in National Stadium? That's crazy. Smalled stadium in the world?

I think the article might have typo there (twice) think they meant to write 60,000.

 

[squarecut]

PCB are deluding everyone, including themselves for thinking that they will get any compensation when there has been no formal agreement.

 

[choclate]

he clearly mentions due to ongoing renovations the capacity is temporarily reduced

 

[sshakir411]

India will pay...one way or another. Both these boards have long held grudges against each other...if you expect PCB to forget about the infamous MOU situation than you're a fool. Sooner or later PCB will have an opportunity and they are not going to come down easy.

 

[CanadianG00se]

India will pay...one way or another. Both these boards have long held grudges against each other...if you expect PCB to forget about the infamous MOU situation than you're a fool. Sooner or later PCB will have an opportunity and they are not going to come down easy.

I dont know which court will make BCCI pay the compensation?

 

[sshakir411]

I dont know which court will make BCCI pay the compensation?

I was speaking figuratively. Both PCB and BCCI will 'kick' each other when they have a chance..BCCI has taken its turn and PCB will not hold back whenever it gets a chance be it in the next 10 years.

 

[CanadianG00se]

I was speaking figuratively. Both PCB and BCCI will 'kick' each other when they have a chance..BCCI has taken its turn and PCB will not hold back whenever it gets a chance be it in the next 10 years.

That i get it, but the problem here is PCB is isolating itself in world cricket. They are in situation where they could either being left out on new league system or join the league and still lose on India games.

 

[sshakir411]

That i get it, but the problem here is PCB is isolating itself in world cricket. They are in situation where they could either being left out on new league system or join the league and still lose on India games.

The isolation of Pakistan is only in regards to India. No other board has done to PCB what BCCI does. To think other boards will isolate Pakistan is humorous...there's only a handful of competitive cricketing nations in the world and losing Pakistan is not an option for world cricket.

 

[Rana]

There is really only one solution to this. A complete boycott of Matches against India, in ICC events also.

I can gaurentee you that it will send shockwaves through the BCCI and the Indian government when they realise a mere two points and a possible exit at an ICC event has no meaning to the PCB anymore. Heck, I would boycott the World Cup final if India meander their way through to it against us. Enough is enough, why are we being treated as subalterns time and time again by these people?

 

[CanadianG00se]

The isolation of Pakistan is only in regards to India. No other board has done to PCB what BCCI does. To think other boards will isolate Pakistan is humorous...there's only a handful of competitive cricketing nations in the world and losing Pakistan is not an option for world cricket.

I think you're missing the point. I never said other boards will isolate Pakistan, on the contrary its Pakistan who will isolate itself. Just check the other thread, where PCB is planning to object the new introduction of the league. If they do vote against it, they will be left out of league. And if they chose to vote in favour(logical move) but they will still continue to lose out on India series. Im not sure why is PCB is so hell bent on India-Pakistan series. Most Indian fans aren't really bothered if we play or not.

 

[USofA]

There is really only one solution to this. A complete boycott of Matches against India, in ICC events also.

I can gaurentee you that it will send shockwaves through the BCCI and the Indian government when they realise a mere two points and a possible exit at an ICC event has no meaning to the PCB anymore. Heck, I would boycott the World Cup final if India meander their way through to it against us. Enough is enough, why are we being treated as subalterns time and time again by these people?

Not sure if I understand you here. How would PCB refusing to play send shockwaves through BCCI. Because right now all the talking is coming from the PCB. I don't think the BCCI is paying any attention to PAK vs. IND series.

I do agree with you that PCB is being treated as a second class citizen and needs to take a stand.

 

[Hitman]

I dont unddrstand PCBs problem here.Bcci doesnot want to play you.Why is this so difficult to understand?

Money. That's what makes it difficult for the PCB to understand.

 

[sshakir411]

I think you're missing the point. I never said other boards will isolate Pakistan, on the contrary its Pakistan who will isolate itself. Just check the other thread, where PCB is planning to object the new introduction of the league. If they do vote against it, they will be left out of league. And if they chose to vote in favour(logical move) but they will still continue to lose out on India series. Im not sure why is PCB is so hell bent on India-Pakistan series. Most Indian fans aren't really bothered if we play or not.

I think if history tells us something it's that PCB officials will say a lot to get things to go their way and in the end accept whatever comes out of the situation. PCB also objected the big 3 model and then later voted for it...PCB officials would like to think their opinion matters to others regardless if it does or not. PCB has never been a bully so it won't be a 'my way or the highway' situation like it is with BCCI.

On playing India..PCB just wants India to fulfill what they agreed upon. Yeah, we've heard GoI excuses enough but PCB will push this to the end until they get something in return. To think they will somehow let this slip just because Indian government or fans don't want this is not realistic. Also, I don't think Pakistan is pushing for a tour in the UAE...they will happily take a tour in India like they did in 2012/2013 when relations were arguably worse.

 

[sshakir411]

I dont unddrstand PCBs problem here.Bcci doesnot want to play you.Why is this so difficult to understand?

Funny. Fact is BCCI agreed to the series...it's not PCB's problem if GoI isn't giving a go ahead. BCCI shouldn't be agreeing to tours knowing well they need to ask permission from their parents. PCB will push until they get something, even if it takes a life-time.

 

[USofA]

After all this time, we still do not know the content of that MOU.

 

[sachin100]

My question to all pak fans? Why is pcb not making enough money out of a cricket mad country?

U have a proud history and only recently won ct final. Why is that win not translating to money to pcb?

Why pcb is selling tv rights for a pittance ?

 

[Rana]

Not sure if I understand you here. How would PCB refusing to play send shockwaves through BCCI. Because right now all the talking is coming from the PCB. I don't think the BCCI is paying any attention to PAK vs. IND series.

I do agree with you that PCB is being treated as a second class citizen and needs to take a stand.

The point is, BCCI are the ones deciding when they want to play Pakistan. They refuse to play them at home, in the UAE or any neutral venue due to its Government But on a few occasions since their boycott, they have managed to convince PCB to play them on ICC events because that is a match they cannot afford to miss and clearly because of financial loss. Since their unofficial boycott (PSL 2 onwards), BCCI has played Pakistan twice in India for world cup clashes, because the possibility of not hosting a Test nation would tarnish their image around the world.

What I am saying is, Pakistan should basically declare an absolute boycott of Indian cricket until the BCCI doesnt get its act together. The ICC is clearly a non existent body for the PCB due to it financially relying upon the BCCI to draw its biggest revenue and the PCB can forget about the ICC making any effort in restoring bi-lateral ties with BCCI. So be it, enough is enough. Lets hit BCCI where it hurts them the most, right in their pocket.

The way I see it, Everyone is happy making money from India so its OK if Pakistan is crying for its rights. However, everyone will wake up once Pakistan show the world enough is enough. We are a proud cricketing nation with passionate fans. We have the second biggest fan base around the world after the Indians and We fans dont deserve the exclusion we see our team having to face.

Boycott playing India everywhere, and do it for a good decade or so!

 

[sachin100]

The point is, BCCI are the ones deciding when they want to play Pakistan. They refuse to play them at home, in the UAE or any neutral venue due to its Government But on a few occasions since their boycott, they have managed to convince PCB to play them on ICC events because that is a match they cannot afford to miss and clearly because of financial loss. Since their unofficial boycott (PSL 2 onwards), BCCI has played Pakistan twice in India for world cup clashes, because the possibility of not hosting a Test nation would tarnish their image around the world.

What I am saying is, Pakistan should basically declare an absolute boycott of Indian cricket until the BCCI doesnt get its act together. The ICC is clearly a non existent body for the PCB due to it financially relying upon the BCCI to draw its biggest revenue and the PCB can forget about the ICC making any effort in restoring bi-lateral ties with BCCI. So be it, enough is enough. Lets hit BCCI where it hurts them the most, right in their pocket.

The way I see it, Everyone is happy making money from India so its OK if Pakistan is crying for its rights. However, everyone will wake up once Pakistan show the world enough is enough. We are a proud cricketing nation with passionate fans. We have the second biggest fan base around the world after the Indians and We fans dont deserve the exclusion we see our team having to face.

Boycott playing India everywhere, and do it for a good decade or so!

I agree whole heartedly with regards to u r grievance but pcb is not blameless in the entire fiasco.

Why should a cricket mad country after India as u say not able to leverage the cricket craze into monetary terms which then makes them not dependent on india tours?

 

[Yossarian]

At the end of the day money talks, and every man (or cricketing board) is for himself.

Having said that, whilst it's correct that no one has the power to force the BCCI to do anything as long as they have the backing of the GoI, there is also the question of credibility.

The BCCI not honoring MOU's, the BCCI throwing it's weight about with other boards regarding touring schedules (eg India's tours to SA) all lead to a growing distrust of, and a resentment against the BCCI (albeit one that will never get acted upon due to the power of money), and a negative imageof the BCCI, and by extension, of India generally.

A negative image of India, through the lens of cricket, is not something that the GoI will be happy with.

 

[Gubol123]

The point is, BCCI are the ones deciding when they want to play Pakistan. They refuse to play them at home, in the UAE or any neutral venue due to its Government But on a few occasions since their boycott, they have managed to convince PCB to play them on ICC events because that is a match they cannot afford to miss and clearly because of financial loss. Since their unofficial boycott (PSL 2 onwards), BCCI has played Pakistan twice in India for world cup clashes, because the possibility of not hosting a Test nation would tarnish their image around the world.

I think India has been clear that it will be in ICC events and not in bilateral. Also, India Pakistan not playing in ICC event will result in ICC making less money out of the event. it will have an impact on all teams (including Pakistan) not just India as the profit is shared with all teams over a period of time. Yes, India will lose but so will others. And what India will lose is pittance compared to what BCCI earns in other ways like IPL and bilaterals

What I am saying is, Pakistan should basically declare an absolute boycott of Indian cricket until the BCCI doesnt get its act together

PCB should do it. India won't be doing it. When PCB does it not only all countries lose revenue (including Pakistan), Pakistan also loses points and India gains points. I think India will be fine with it. In fact, BCCI asked ICC not to group both India and Pakistan in same groups in ICC events.

The ICC is clearly a non existent body for the PCB due to it financially relying upon the BCCI to draw its biggest revenue and the PCB can forget about the ICC making any effort in restoring bi-lateral ties with BCCI. So be it, enough is enough. Lets hit BCCI where it hurts them the most, right in their pocket

Again, India will not be hurt financially and BCCI itself has asked ICC not to schedule any India/Pakistan matches. So PCB is welcome to convey the same to ICC and if they see fit, they should also boycott

The way I see it, Everyone is happy making money from India so its OK if Pakistan is crying for its rights. However, everyone will wake up once Pakistan show the world enough is enough. We are a proud cricketing nation with passionate fans. We have the second biggest fan base around the world after the Indians and We fans dont deserve the exclusion we see our team having to face.

Boycott playing India everywhere, and do it for a good decade or so!

Again what do you want to show by boycotting India matches? that India does not care? ICC might care a bit as its revenue might get impacted, but what will India care? I don't see what is the bargaining chip that PCB has with them

 

[Gubol123]

I agree whole heartedly with regards to u r grievance but pcb is not blameless in the entire fiasco.

Why should a cricket mad country after India as u say not able to leverage the cricket craze into monetary terms which then makes them not dependent on india tours?

I seriously don't understand how PCB cannot make money with 200 million cricket crazy population. BD is quite self sufficient and they don't beg for Indian tour, in fact they don't seem to care if India tours them or not. I really appreciate the Pride BD have shown. May be Pakistan fans are not so cricket crazy after all, or may be there is not much money to be made there.

 

[Gubol123]

At the end of the day money talks, and every man (or cricketing board) is for himself.

Having said that, whilst it's correct that no one has the power to force the BCCI to do anything as long as they have the backing of the GoI, there is also the question of credibility.

The BCCI not honoring MOU's, the BCCI throwing it's weight about with other boards regarding touring schedules (eg India's tours to SA) all lead to a growing distrust of, and a resentment against the BCCI (albeit one that will never get acted upon due to the power of money), and a negative imageof the BCCI, and by extension, of India generally.

A negative image of India, through the lens of cricket, is not something that the GoI will be happy with.

No one except PCB and BCCI knows what is there in that MoU. if PCB had such an iron clad case they would have gone to court by now or atleast made the MOU public. There are literally 100s of MOUs signed in each and every investment carnivals by private companies with Govts. Not more than 20% of them ever see the light of day. If PCB is so sure that it has been wronged, let them make the MOU public and take it to a court of law (Although, i don't know under which jurisdiction that case would fall). Atleast in public mind they would have won a victory.

 

[Gubol123]

At the end of the day money talks, and every man (or cricketing board) is for himself.

Having said that, whilst it's correct that no one has the power to force the BCCI to do anything as long as they have the backing of the GoI, there is also the question of credibility.

The BCCI not honoring MOU's, the BCCI throwing it's weight about with other boards regarding touring schedules (eg India's tours to SA) all lead to a growing distrust of, and a resentment against the BCCI (albeit one that will never get acted upon due to the power of money), and a negative imageof the BCCI, and by extension, of India generally.

A negative image of India, through the lens of cricket, is not something that the GoI will be happy with.

That is payback for what SA board did during last IPL. It was SA board which wanted to use their player participation as a bargaining chip for getting more out of the tour. the whole conflict has been initiated by SA

 

[sachin100]

For a sport which is not the most popular in England and which is behind a pay wall called sky i will take my hat off to ecb for selling their next tv rights for 1 billion dollars.

What i came to conclusion is that there is not much money to be made in Pakistan based on cricket.

Star network in india makes 4000 crores in subscription fees alone with out add revenue

 

[Yossarian]

No one except PCB and BCCI knows what is there in that MoU. if PCB had such an iron clad case they would have gone to court by now or atleast made the MOU public. There are literally 100s of MOUs signed in each and every investment carnivals by private companies with Govts. Not more than 20% of them ever see the light of day. If PCB is so sure that it has been wronged, let them make the MOU public and take it to a court of law (Although, i don't know under which jurisdiction that case would fall). Atleast in public mind they would have won a victory.

That is payback for what SA board did during last IPL. It was SA board which wanted to use their player participation as a bargaining chip for getting more out of the tour. the whole conflict has been initiated by SA

Whatever the reason (and there are plenty of others in addition to the ones mentioned, including some, allegedly, behind closed doors at ICC meetings), the point is that there is a question of credibility and trusting the word of BCCI, there is a growing resentment against the BCCI (even though, as mentioned earlier, no one will act upon any of it due to the lure of money). That in turn leads to a negative perception of India (even if only through the lens of cricket).

Now, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured (to use a phrase often used in reference to Americans) "The BCCI (and by inference Indian cricketers) is the most disliked, but most welcomed, by everyone"

 

[sshakir411]

Whatever the reason (and there are plenty of others in addition to the ones mentioned, including some, allegedly, behind closed doors at ICC meetings), the point is that there is a question of credibility and trusting the word of BCCI, there is a growing resentment against the BCCI (even though, as mentioned earlier, no one will act upon any of it due to the lure of money). That in turn leads to a negative perception of India (even if only through the lens of cricket).

Now, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured (to use a phrase often used in reference to Americans) "The BCCI (and by inference Indian cricketers) is the most disliked, but most welcomed, by everyone"

He did agree that this from BCCI is "payback"...I think that's as petty as it gets for an organization that boasts how much revenue it makes and considers itself the owner of the sport.

 

[Gubol123]

He did agree that this from BCCI is "payback"...I think that's as petty as it gets for an organization that boasts how much revenue it makes and considers itself the owner of the sport.

Of course it is a payback, what else do you expect. If BCCI does it first it is bullying and it shouldn't be doing it and if it responds to something from other boards, again its shouldn't be doing it? so what do you want them to do? sit idle and show other cheek? don't be silly

 

[Gubol123]

Whatever the reason (and there are plenty of others in addition to the ones mentioned, including some, allegedly, behind closed doors at ICC meetings), the point is that there is a question of credibility and trusting the word of BCCI, there is a growing resentment against the BCCI (even though, as mentioned earlier, no one will act upon any of it due to the lure of money). That in turn leads to a negative perception of India (even if only through the lens of cricket).

Now, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured (to use a phrase often used in reference to Americans) "The BCCI (and by inference Indian cricketers) is the most disliked, but most welcomed, by everyone"

Yes Indian cricketers are the most hated ones. They are not proud, likable and honest characters like Sharjeel, Aamer, Stokes, Warner, Hales, Butt, etc.

 

[sshakir411]

Of course it is a payback, what else do you expect. If BCCI does it first it is bullying and it shouldn't be doing it and if it responds to something from other boards, again its shouldn't be doing it? so what do you want them to do? sit idle and show other cheek? don't be silly

Good. Now you're talking. Why are Indian fans angered when PCB does the same or tries to pay it back? Do you guys also expect PCB to sit idle and show other cheek??

 

[sachin100]

Good. Now you're talking. Why are Indian fans angered when PCB does the same or tries to pay it back? Do you guys also expect PCB to sit idle and show other cheek??

What pay back r u talking? Begging with bcci for tours is pay back in u r world?

 

[sshakir411]

What pay back r u talking? Begging with bcci for tours is pay back in u r world?

BCCI agreed to the tours...it's not Pakistan's problem if they were unable to get permission from their parents to come out and play.

 

[USofA]

Why the secrecy on the content of the MOU?

 

[sachin100]

BCCI agreed to the tours...it's not Pakistan's problem if they were unable to get permission from their parents to come out and play.

It is pak problem and not bcci problem because pcb knows what the mou is and signed on the dotted lines.

U have to accept the consequences of mou as a man and not cry all the time.

 

[Gubol123]

Good. Now you're talking. Why are Indian fans angered when PCB does the same or tries to pay it back? Do you guys also expect PCB to sit idle and show other cheek??

who is angered that PCB is asking for payback? what payback are you referring to? India series and MOUs? if MOU, how can we comment on it when we don't even know what is in there. If PCB thinks they are being wronged, then let them go to a court of law. if there is no court of law that has jurisdiction over that MOU (that would be pathetic way to write a MOU) then let PCB make it public and shame BCCI. i personally have no issue. there is no love for BCCI. my love is for Indian cricket, BCCI is just an organization running cricket. If it is not BCCI someone else will do it. I saw more power to PCB if they want to go to court or make MOU public..

 

[Gubol123]

BCCI agreed to the tours...it's not Pakistan's problem if they were unable to get permission from their parents to come out and play.

it certainly is a Pakistan problem if they signed on a MOU which lists permission from their respective governments as one of the prerequisite for the tour. If Pakistan signed it, then yes, it is their problem too along with India's problem. they willingly agreed to that clause and put their series in risk. But if that is not the case and BCCI is trying to weasel out out of a MOU, then take them to a court of law or make the MOU public. Since PCB is not doing either, we have to assume PCB knows they don't have a case. So what payback do you want then?

 

[Yossarian]

Yes Indian cricketers are the most hated ones. They are not proud, likable and honest characters like Sharjeel, Aamer, Stokes, Warner, Hales, Butt, etc.

Individual cases versus a general perception of one particular board (and it's cricketers) - big difference.

I repeat again, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured these perceptions are widespread amongst the non-Indian cricketing world.

Note: I said perceptions. And NOT necessarily the reality as far the Indian cricketers individually themselves are concerned, but the perception as a group, created due to the actions of the BCCI.

 

[Gubol123]

Why the secrecy on the content of the MOU?

because PCB knows there is no case. now they can cry victim and try blackmailing all. if they had a case they would have gone to court (wherever the jurisdiction is) or they would have atleast made it public to shame BCCI. Everything leaks out of PCB, why not this MOU?

 

[sachin100]

Individual cases versus a general perception of one particular board (and it's cricketers) - big difference.

I repeat again, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured these perceptions are widespread amongst the non-Indian cricketing world.

Note: I said perceptions. And NOT necessarily the reality as far the Indian cricketers individually themselves are concerned, but the perception as a group, created due to the actions of the BCCI.

Why should they care how other teams fans think? They have to satisfy the hopes and aspirations of their own fans first and then think of other fans.

I can understand bcci is not popular but indian cricketers are the most hated? U must be smoking some thing to have that feeling.

 

[sshakir411]

it certainly is a Pakistan problem if they signed on a MOU which lists permission from their respective governments as one of the prerequisite for the tour. If Pakistan signed it, then yes, it is their problem too along with India's problem. they willingly agreed to that clause and put their series in risk. But if that is not the case and BCCI is trying to weasel out out of a MOU, then take them to a court of law or make the MOU public. Since PCB is not doing either, we have to assume PCB knows they don't have a case. So what payback do you want then?

You certainly don't know what was in the MOU so don't assume seeking permission from parents was part of it. If it was, then why doesn't BCCI come out and make it clear so PCB has no reason to take this further?
Clearly, the fact that BCCI hasn't come forward and shared the details of the MOU is reason enough to believe that was not part of it.

 

[sshakir411]

It is pak problem and not bcci problem because pcb knows what the mou is and signed on the dotted lines.

U have to accept the consequences of mou as a man and not cry all the time.

LMAO. Pakistan is just trying to get what it can...they approached the ICC not BCCI. So quit crying so much. BCCI is a snake and that is obvious to everyone.

 

[sshakir411]

because PCB knows there is no case. now they can cry victim and try blackmailing all. if they had a case they would have gone to court (wherever the jurisdiction is) or they would have atleast made it public to shame BCCI. Everything leaks out of PCB, why not this MOU?

Why doesn't BCCI share the MOU if it has the government clause in it??

 

[Gubol123]

Individual cases versus a general perception of one particular board (and it's cricketers) - big difference.

I repeat again, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured these perceptions are widespread amongst the non-Indian cricketing world.

Note: I said perceptions. And NOT necessarily the reality as far the Indian cricketers individually themselves are concerned, but the perception as a group, created due to the actions of the BCCI.

and the perception of Pakistani players among other teams fans is that they are dishonest bunch of players due to repeated match fixing. Perception of English and Australian players is that they are bunch of rowdies and arrogant blokes. Perception of SA players are they bunch of cowards. again all of them is just perception not a reality So what should those team do? their job is to go and play well and satisfy their fans and their aspirations. No one can live up to to everybody's expectations

 

[Gubol123]

Why doesn't BCCI share the MOU if it has the government clause in it??

one who is crying wolf is PCB. as far as BCCI is concerned they don't care about MOU. they have nothing to gain by making it public, where has PCB has everything to gain. They can get public trust, trust of other boards and shame BCCI.

 

[sachin100]

LMAO. Pakistan is just trying to get what it can...they approached the ICC not BCCI. So quit crying so much. BCCI is a snake and that is obvious to everyone.

Icc can't do zilch with regard to bilateral tours. U understand the term bilaterals first.

Icc has no standing on bilateral tours

 

[Gubol123]

LMAO. Pakistan is just trying to get what it can...they approached the ICC not BCCI. So quit crying so much. BCCI is a snake and that is obvious to everyone.

PCB should do that. You don't have to LMAO. you should encourage your board to go to a court of law or to court of public perception. PCB has approached BCCI multiple times and after finding that their dhal is not cooking is now going to ICC. if they think BCCI is a snake then they should find a way to tame it, for their own benefit

 

[sshakir411]

Icc can't do zilch with regard to bilateral tours. U understand the term bilaterals first.

Icc has no standing on bilateral tours

okay, so let Pakistan get nothing. Why are Indian fans so ruffled up every time Pakistan tries something whether its with the ICC or somewhere else??

 

[USofA]

Why doesn't BCCI share the MOU if it has the government clause in it??

I think the BCCI has not commented on this saga ever. So I do not see them doing anything. The PCB on the other hand is all comments and press releases for the past how many ever years. But no action at all...yet.

 

[sshakir411]

one who is crying wolf is PCB. as far as BCCI is concerned they don't care about MOU. they have nothing to gain by making it public, where has PCB has everything to gain. They can get public trust, trust of other boards and shame BCCI.

BCCI can clearly show Pakistan is wrongly calling wolf. So why hesitate to put your enemy down? Clearly, BCCI has something it's hiding.

 

[sshakir411]

I think the BCCI has not commented on this saga ever. So I do not see them doing anything. The PCB on the other hand is all comments and press releases for the past how many ever years. But no action at all...yet.

Exactly. So how does every Indian and their grandmother know the MOU had a government clause in it (as claimed a trillion times)? PCB has the MOU and if they keep referring to it, it probably means there is something in there that makes their case a little more plausible than BCCI. Don't you think? Or are they lying about because PCB officials are crooks and BCCI officials are professionals?

I don't care if we get a series with India or not. The crap shared by Indian fans is nauseating. Let PCB make all the noise and fail...don't get how Indian fans know all the details of this MOU and PCB doesn't.

 

[Gubol123]

I think the BCCI has not commented on this saga ever. So I do not see them doing anything. The PCB on the other hand is all comments and press releases for the past how many ever years. But no action at all...yet.

as i said, BCCI doesn't care about the MOU. it was signed for big three election. BCCI knew they cannot tour until they have GOI permission. they put that clause in there and singed MOU. now there is no big three, and as far as BCCI is concerned the MOU is dead. But PCB holds on to it as huge amount of their TV rights are dependent on India tour. so they have everything to gain and BCCI everything to lose (if PCB goes to court and wins it). so only PCB has any reason to make it public.. BCCI has none

 

[Gubol123]

BCCI can clearly show Pakistan is wrongly calling wolf. So why hesitate to put your enemy down? Clearly, BCCI has something it's hiding.

why do they care? The BCCI is treating PCB like a pest. they just want it to go away. If PCB thinks it has been wronged and its treatment by BCCI is demeaning, then it is in PCB interest to make it public or go to court.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Individual cases versus a general perception of one particular board (and it's cricketers) - big difference.

I repeat again, Indian fans may not see this due to patriotism, but be assured these perceptions are widespread amongst the non-Indian cricketing world.

Note: I said perceptions. And NOT necessarily the reality as far the Indian cricketers individually themselves are concerned, but the perception as a group, created due to the actions of the BCCI.

Why would an average Indian care about what neutral fans have 'Perceptions' about BCCI/India?

BCCI's responsibility lies towards Indian players and its public, they dont give a damn what neutrals will think of them.

 

[sshakir411]

why do they care? The BCCI is treating PCB like a pest. they just want it to go away. If PCB thinks it has been wronged and its treatment by BCCI is demeaning, then it is in PCB interest to make it public or go to court.

PCB ain't going anywhere, so keep losing your crap over it.