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Performances of Pakistani pacers in Pakistan (Tests) since the return of cricket

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So we have played 4 full test matches since the return of test cricket in Pakistan and we have seen 4 fifers, 1 10fer and a hatrick so far.

Below are the stats of the specialist pacers who played in these tests:

Hassan Ali
Matches; 2, Wickets; 12, Avg; 22.66, 5 wkt haul; 2, 10 wkt hail; 1

Shaheen Shah
Matches; 5 (One rained of match vs Srl), Wickets; 17, Avg; 26, 5 wkt haul;1

Naseem Shah
Matches; 3 (One rained of match vs Srl), Wickets; 12 (Including a hatrick), Avg; 23.42, 5 wkt hail; 1

Mohammad Abbas
Matches; 3 (One rained of innings vs Srl), Wickets; 9, Avg; 23.56

Pretty good numbers these so far.
 
Pakistan fast bowlers in Uae vs Pakistan

Home venue (Pakistan)

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Uae venue

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Pak fast bowlers only took 7 fifer in 30 test matches in uae while in Pakistan they have 4 already in 7 test matches
 
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As I have mentioned few times when people say that no Pakistani pacer has gone upto 200 wickets that not playing at home is a big reason due to number of factors and so far the pacers we have played are doing well at home which will give boost to their stats as well as wicket tally. A lot of successful pacers around the world get number of wickets at home and if we take them out of anyone's record it generally wont be as good as before.

Just because you start playing in another country due to circumstances and start calling in home ground it doesnt make it that. Grounds where you grow up playing cricket, know how as well as which lengths to ball and which definitely offer much more assistance than UAE makes a huge difference in my opinion.

How will the pacers end up achieving in next 4-5 years will have to be seen but, advantage of playing at home for any player cant be ignored and that was something Pak pacers missed for a long time.
 
As I have mentioned few times when people say that no Pakistani pacer has gone upto 200 wickets that not playing at home is a big reason due to number of factors and so far the pacers we have played are doing well at home which will give boost to their stats as well as wicket tally. A lot of successful pacers around the world get number of wickets at home and if we take them out of anyone's record it generally wont be as good as before.

Just because you start playing in another country due to circumstances and start calling in home ground it doesnt make it that. Grounds where you grow up playing cricket, know how as well as which lengths to ball and which definitely offer much more assistance than UAE makes a huge difference in my opinion.

How will the pacers end up achieving in next 4-5 years will have to be seen but, advantage of playing at home for any player cant be ignored and that was something Pak pacers missed for a long time.

some people try and argue that playing in the UAE benefitted us :facepalm:
 
this is no secret, uae pitches were detrimental to developing test fast bowlers. the pitches would often seam a little bit on the first morning then turn into feather beds for the other 4 days.

also the lush outfields meant no reverse swing. outfield in pindi looks like training pitches in dubai, lol. also pak has varied temperature zones, uae was all the same all the time.
 
some people try and argue that playing in the UAE benefitted us :facepalm:

It did. It helped Pakistan become the number 1 Test team in the world and helped Yasir establish several records.

Are you suggesting that the 2014-16 Pakistan side was so good that they became number 1 in spite of playing home matches on wickets that didn’t heavily benefit them?

Maybe you should listen to yourself before posting.
 
It did. It helped Pakistan become the number 1 Test team in the world and helped Yasir establish several records.

Are you suggesting that the 2014-16 Pakistan side was so good that they became number 1 in spite of playing home matches on wickets that didn’t heavily benefit them?

Maybe you should listen to yourself before posting.

who's to say we wouldn't have won those series' had they been played in Pakistan? Regardless, take conditions out of the equation, just playing in front of your own crowds instead of empty stands gives players a huge boost.
 
These numbers are encouraging but it is important to note that Pakistan has only played against weak batting lineups so far.

For example, a poor bowler like Naseem will not averaging in the low 20s against England, Australia and New Zealand at home, considering how shockingly he poor was in those countries.

We will get a clearer picture after we play the likes of England, Australia and New Zealand, and of course we are extremely lucky that we are not playing India.

At the moment, Shaheen is the only proper pacer in the lineup. He can take wickets and also restrict the run flow.

Hassan is too expensive. He bowls like a LOI bowler and it is understandable because he is a LOI specialist.
 
who's to say we wouldn't have won those series' had they been played in Pakistan? Regardless, take conditions out of the equation, just playing in front of your own crowds instead of empty stands gives players a huge boost.

That is not the point. You implied that playing in UAE did not benefit us, but that is a laughable assessment considering the fact that we became #1 in the UAE era.

If Pakistan was regularly losing in UAE then this assessment would have had credibility.
 
These numbers are encouraging but it is important to note that Pakistan has only played against weak batting lineups so far.

For example, a poor bowler like Naseem will not averaging in the low 20s against England, Australia and New Zealand at home, considering how shockingly he poor was in those countries.

We will get a clearer picture after we play the likes of England, Australia and New Zealand, and of course we are extremely lucky that we are not playing India.

At the moment, Shaheen is the only proper pacer in the lineup. He can take wickets and also restrict the run flow.

Hassan is too expensive. He bowls like a LOI bowler and it is understandable because he is a LOI specialist.

Fair points and yes we will have to see them against better sides. Though pacers coming into play even against lower ranked teams or now against mid tier team like SA is a big plus as even that wasnt the case in UAE on most occasions. Off course they will need to perform well against top teams as well for Pak to win the series against those sides and for these pacers to get more recognition. How well they continue to do in future remains to be seen but, pacers now surely have much more chance to improve their stats and wickets tally in comparison to UAE.
 
That is not the point. You implied that playing in UAE did not benefit us, but that is a laughable assessment considering the fact that we became #1 in the UAE era.

If Pakistan was regularly losing in UAE then this assessment would have had credibility.

Again, how can you know we wouldn't have done even better in Pakistan? We got to #1 despite not being able to play at home, not because of it.
 
some people try and argue that playing in the UAE benefitted us :facepalm:

UAE definitely impacted our cricket a lot despite us having a decent record as that record came at a huge cost. It definitely marginalized our pace bowling department and played a big role in the deterioration of that. Further even our batsman got used to playing on those slow surfaces which offered not much variety from one venue to another.

While the wickets in Pakistan can give a chance to Eng, Aus, NZ to compete better than they did in UAE due to much better surfaces but overall it would still help Pak cricket in the long run. Also if we improve on our mistakes from SA series and fill in the holes there is no reason we cant compete these sides in Pak and if we do win like we did vs SA it will give our cricket much more boost that it did by beating them in UAE as that would be in conditions where our batsman and pacers will actually have to stand up while the pacers along with batsmen of other teams will also have a sniff.
 
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So we have played 4 full test matches since the return of test cricket in Pakistan and we have seen 4 fifers, 1 10fer and a hatrick so far.

Below are the stats of the specialist pacers who played in these tests:

Hassan Ali
Matches; 2, Wickets; 12, Avg; 22.66, 5 wkt haul; 2, 10 wkt hail; 1

Shaheen Shah
Matches; 5 (One rained of match vs Srl), Wickets; 17, Avg; 26, 5 wkt haul;1

Naseem Shah
Matches; 3 (One rained of match vs Srl), Wickets; 12 (Including a hatrick), Avg; 23.42, 5 wkt hail; 1

Mohammad Abbas
Matches; 3 (One rained of innings vs Srl), Wickets; 9, Avg; 23.56

Pretty good numbers these so far.

When was the last time a Pakistani Pacer took a 10 wicket haul? must have been a long time.
 
It did. It helped Pakistan become the number 1 Test team in the world and helped Yasir establish several records.

Are you suggesting that the 2014-16 Pakistan side was so good that they became number 1 in spite of playing home matches on wickets that didn’t heavily benefit them?

Maybe you should listen to yourself before posting.

Well, playing in UAE might have helped result-wise but that's debatable.

Pakistan perhaps may not have been as dominant at home as they were in UAE...or maybe with crowd support behind them they might have still been as good if not better.

But you have to admit that UAE pitches had an adverse effect on the pacers' performance and even our LOIs batting suffered as those low/slow pitches never encourage free flowing strokemakers.
 
When was the last time a Pakistani Pacer took a 10 wicket haul? must have been a long time.

Abbas in 2018 vs Aus in UAE but that was an outlier as top pacers from around the world have struggled in UAE as can be seen from the stats and Pak pacers had to keep on toiling hard for much longer and over the years without much results on those surfaces as that was the home venue.
 
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Abbas in 2018 vs Aus in UAE but that was an outlier as top pacers from around the world have struggled in UAE as can be seen from the stats and Pak pacers had to keep on toiling hard for much longer and over the years without much results on those surfaces as that was the home venue.

and before that?
 
First of all if not for the scandal asif and amir would likely have been among the 200 wickets charts. Add junaid khan and wahab as well if they played in pak. However i dont think they would have been as profilic as yasir was in the uae.
 
That is not the point. You implied that playing in UAE did not benefit us, but that is a laughable assessment considering the fact that we became #1 in the UAE era.

If Pakistan was regularly losing in UAE then this assessment would have had credibility.

In the context of this thread, there's no doubt playing in UAE affected our pace bowling resources. UAE pitches are all same, playing almost all like Faisalabad's did in the 80s. Pakistan's pitches in most grounds (perhaps because of moisture in winter conditions) can't be hard bouncy surfaces, but at the same time, don't deteriorate a lot too during a test match. The variability mostly comes from how much grass is left on the pitch. Karachi has its own late-afternoon/early-evening see-breeze aided swing conditions.

In fourth inning of a test match in Pakistan, no spinner has taken five wickets in more than 30 years. In fact, bowling averages in Pakistan for spinners in fourth innings are the highest compared to averages in all other countries. The lowest such average is in UAE (no surprise).

And besides, all of these stats and performance numbers, playing at home gives the players the opportunities to use all their experiences of toiling away in the domestic competitions and knowing the grounds inside out, whether they employ the benefit consciously or through muscle memory.

I know you keep bringing this point of Pakistan achieving #1 ranking in test cricket in UAE, but that doesn't negate any of what I said. That ranking by the way, was built on the back of three series - win against Eng and Aus, both fortunately at a time, when the opponents were laden with ranking points that Pakistan feasted on, and then the series draw in England. The absolute ranking points for Pakistan in that particular month (Aug of 2016?) weren't that many. They were in the range where #2-4 teams are normally found, but at the time, the other teams had dropped below and Pakistan team was rightfully ranked above all others. Within a month of ranking adjustment, they went down in rankings.

For that matter in early 2006 after beating England and India at home, and Srilanka in away conditions, Pakistan had higher rating points (compared to 2016) but were #2, and because of the controversies of 2006 England tour lost enough points to drop down. In 80s and early 90s, Pakistan had even higher rating points.

Anyway, I can talk about ratings and how the ranking points accumulate all day long, but the point is that Pakistan cricket development suffered a lot in 2010s playing matches in UAE. If you can't see it, then either you started watching cricket around that time, and have no other frame of reference to compare to, or you are a contrarian for some unknown reason. Home-advantage is a real thing. It doesn't mean, Pakistan will necessarily become #1 test side playing at home, but that they will punch above their weight every now and then and more new players will show up.
 
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Pakistani pitches have always been more conducive to pacers than India, SL and Bangladesh. Bangladeshi pitches have probably been the worse for pacers where there is literally nothing for the fast bowlers.

UAE was a graveyard for fast bowlers. A testament to Wahab Riaz, Junaid Khan and Umar Gul for keeping the energy levels up and bowling spells after spells and taking wickets along the way. Amir cried his way out of UAE tests after 6 or 7 matches.
 
In the context of this thread, there's no doubt playing in UAE affected our pace bowling resources. UAE pitches are all same, playing almost all like Faisalabad's did in the 80s. Pakistan's pitches in most grounds (perhaps because of moisture in winter conditions) can't be hard bouncy surfaces, but at the same time, don't deteriorate a lot too during a test match. The variability mostly comes from how much grass is left on the pitch. Karachi has its own late-afternoon/early-evening see-breeze aided swing conditions.

In fourth inning of a test match in Pakistan, no spinner has taken five wickets in more than 30 years. In fact, bowling averages in Pakistan for spinners in fourth innings are the highest compared to averages in all other countries. The lowest such average is in UAE (no surprise).

And besides, all of these stats and performance numbers, playing at home gives the players the opportunities to use all their experiences of toiling away in the domestic competitions and knowing the grounds inside out, whether they employ the benefit consciously or through muscle memory.

I know you keep bringing this point of Pakistan achieving #1 ranking in test cricket in UAE, but that doesn't negate any of what I said. That ranking by the way, was built on the back of three series - win against Eng and Aus, both fortunately at a time, when the opponents were laden with ranking points that Pakistan feasted on, and then the series draw in England. The absolute ranking points for Pakistan in that particular month (Aug of 2016?) weren't that many. They were in the range where #2-4 teams are normally found, but at the time, the other teams had dropped below and Pakistan team was rightfully ranked above all others. Within a month of ranking adjustment, they went down in rankings.

For that matter in early 2006 after beating England and India at home, and Srilanka in away conditions, Pakistan had higher rating points (compared to 2016) but were #2, and because of the controversies of 2006 England tour lost enough points to drop down. In 80s and early 90s, Pakistan had even higher rating points.

Anyway, I can talk about ratings and how the ranking points accumulate all day long, but the point is that Pakistan cricket development suffered a lot in 2010s playing matches in UAE. If you can't see it, then either you started watching cricket around that time, and have no other frame of reference to compare to, or you are a contrarian for some unknown reason. Home-advantage is a real thing. It doesn't mean, Pakistan will necessarily become #1 test side playing at home, but that they will punch above their weight every now and then and more new players will show up.

Great assessment, and I agree with all the points you have made. Bowling in home conditions allows us to exploit different venues for our respective needs.

Once the Multan Stadium is renovated and ready for cricket, that track can be used as a dust bowl too when West Indies, New Zealand, and Australia come to Pakistan.

The key with home advantage is having stadiums to suit your needs.

Pindi Stadium should only be used when we are going against a team with a weaker fast bowling lineup than ours.

NSK should be used to spin out the opposition, and likewise Multan.

Having these options is extremely important for the team.

We should let our pace bowlers develop on home wickets so that they can pick up new skills and learn how to bowl in those conditions. Once they are in form at home, that form will surely seep into our away performances after some time.
 
In the context of this thread, there's no doubt playing in UAE affected our pace bowling resources. UAE pitches are all same, playing almost all like Faisalabad's did in the 80s. Pakistan's pitches in most grounds (perhaps because of moisture in winter conditions) can't be hard bouncy surfaces, but at the same time, don't deteriorate a lot too during a test match. The variability mostly comes from how much grass is left on the pitch. Karachi has its own late-afternoon/early-evening see-breeze aided swing conditions.

In fourth inning of a test match in Pakistan, no spinner has taken five wickets in more than 30 years. In fact, bowling averages in Pakistan for spinners in fourth innings are the highest compared to averages in all other countries. The lowest such average is in UAE (no surprise).

And besides, all of these stats and performance numbers, playing at home gives the players the opportunities to use all their experiences of toiling away in the domestic competitions and knowing the grounds inside out, whether they employ the benefit consciously or through muscle memory.

I know you keep bringing this point of Pakistan achieving #1 ranking in test cricket in UAE, but that doesn't negate any of what I said. That ranking by the way, was built on the back of three series - win against Eng and Aus, both fortunately at a time, when the opponents were laden with ranking points that Pakistan feasted on, and then the series draw in England. The absolute ranking points for Pakistan in that particular month (Aug of 2016?) weren't that many. They were in the range where #2-4 teams are normally found, but at the time, the other teams had dropped below and Pakistan team was rightfully ranked above all others. Within a month of ranking adjustment, they went down in rankings.

For that matter in early 2006 after beating England and India at home, and Srilanka in away conditions, Pakistan had higher rating points (compared to 2016) but were #2, and because of the controversies of 2006 England tour lost enough points to drop down. In 80s and early 90s, Pakistan had even higher rating points.

Anyway, I can talk about ratings and how the ranking points accumulate all day long, but the point is that Pakistan cricket development suffered a lot in 2010s playing matches in UAE. If you can't see it, then either you started watching cricket around that time, and have no other frame of reference to compare to, or you are a contrarian for some unknown reason. Home-advantage is a real thing. It doesn't mean, Pakistan will necessarily become #1 test side playing at home, but that they will punch above their weight every now and then and more new players will show up.

That is a quality post brother. Thoroughly enjoyed reading it.
 
Pakistani pitches have always been more conducive to pacers than India, SL and Bangladesh. Bangladeshi pitches have probably been the worse for pacers where there is literally nothing for the fast bowlers.

UAE was a graveyard for fast bowlers. A testament to Wahab Riaz, Junaid Khan and Umar Gul for keeping the energy levels up and bowling spells after spells and taking wickets along the way. Amir cried his way out of UAE tests after 6 or 7 matches.
That loser chickened out after 3 tests in total, let alone 6 or 7.
 
Abbas in 2018 vs Aus in UAE but that was an outlier as top pacers from around the world have struggled in UAE as can be seen from the stats and Pak pacers had to keep on toiling hard for much longer and over the years without much results on those surfaces as that was the home venue.

Thanks. It seems like a long time.
 
I would like to see how the pacers do against Australia, India, and England before getting too excited.

But Hasan Ali and Shaheen did very well in that last innings.
 
I would like to see how the pacers do against Australia, India, and England before getting too excited.

But Hasan Ali and Shaheen did very well in that last innings.

How do you propose on seeing the pacers perform against India?
 
Only 2 pace-bowlers have taken 10 wickets in a match for Pakistan in the last 14 years:

Hassan Ali - February 2021 against South Africa
Mohammad Abbas - October 2018 against Australia

Before this - Mohammad Asif in April 2006 against Sri Lanka
 
Playing in the UAE definitely hurt the Pakistani pacers to most. The likes of Umar Gul, Junaid Khan, Mohammad Irfan, Bilawal Bhatti, Mohammad Abbas and Mohammad Amir are just of the pacers that struggled.
 
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