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I believe only in Jassi Bhai....But the stats suggest otherwise. So a simple question what exactly is the reason behind Mohammad Siraj's lethal version in the absence of Jasprit Bumrah 🤔
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Nothing to do with that. Why would one bowler influence other bowler. May be he is trying to take more responsibility. Bumrah didn't ask him to bowl like spray gun in Australia, first test.
 
A few factors and I could be wrong because of the fact I don't watch Indian team too much

Apart from this series Bumrah generally sits out against weaker sides where Suraj plays. Of course there are exceptions like Sirajs breakout tour but he was an unknown then and perhaps flew under the radar of the opposition and caught them by surprise.

Secondly, some bowlers respond better when they are leader of the pack and have the pressure on their shoulders.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Nothing to do with that. Why would one bowler influence other bowler. May be he is trying to take more responsibility. Bumrah didn't ask him to bowl like spray gun in Australia, first test.
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May be because Siraj is used as a freebie in presence of Bumrah.

In 1st Test he bowled 27 overs while in this Test he bowled 19.3 overs in 1st Innings..So in absence of Bumrah he gets the treatment what Bumrah gets...and is not used as a useless tool with no care
 
The Bald Eagle said:
May be because Siraj is used as a freebie in presence of Bumrah.

In 1st Test he bowled 27 overs while in this Test he bowled 19.3 overs in 1st Innings..So in absence of Bumrah he gets the treatment what Bumrah gets...and is not used as a useless tool with no care
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He is bowling in tandem with Bumrah. How is he used as freebie. He conceded 19 runs in the first 2 overs at Leeds where Bumrah was unplayable. He was spraying all over.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
He is bowling in tandem with Bumrah. How is he used as freebie. He conceded 19 runs in the first 2 overs at Leeds where Bumrah was unplayable. He was spraying all over.
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Stats are in front of you, I didn't concoct them...Also he is the bowler who has bowled the most overs for India since 2022.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Stats are in front of you, I didn't concoct them...Also he is the bowler who has bowled the most overs for India since 2022.
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You can't blame Bumrah for that lol Siraj probably has to do the same he does when he is bowling alone. He actually bowled poorly in the entire series in Australia. Also in the first innings at Leeds he bowled poorly. In the 2nd innings he bowled well. He is a rhythm bowler. When he is in rhythm with or without Bumrah he will make things happen. When he is not in rhythm he sucks. That is why his stats are mixed
 
Siraj is inconsistent, when he is on song, he is a world class unplayable bowler but when he bowls badly he is very ordinary
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You can't blame Bumrah for that lol Siraj probably has to do the same he does when he is bowling alone. He actually bowled poorly in the entire series in Australia. Also in the first innings at Leeds he bowled poorly. In the 2nd innings he bowled well. He is a rhythm bowler. When he is in rhythm with or without Bumrah he will make things happen. When he is not in rhythm he sucks. That is why his stats are mixed
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If he wants to be a rhythm bowler then do bharatanattiyyum
 
Another thread on Bumrah, after all he gave sleepless night to the certain can base :kp
 
Siraj is hit and miss , on songs Siraj can destroy any batting line-up. :kp
 
Maybe siraj is feeling relaxed when bumrah is there and when he is not, he wants to take more resposibility
 
The Bald Eagle said:
May be because Siraj is used as a freebie in presence of Bumrah.

In 1st Test he bowled 27 overs while in this Test he bowled 19.3 overs in 1st Innings..So in absence of Bumrah he gets the treatment what Bumrah gets...and is not used as a useless tool with no care
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Sorry but this is a nonsensical take. What treatment are you talking about ?

Bumrah bowled 43 overs and Siraj bowled 41 overs last match.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
He also needs work load management and is not a bot who could be employed all the time recklessly...and that affect his performance too
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What is your thread title and what are you trying to prove now?

Your thread implies that Bumrah's presence is impacting Siraj's performance.

Now you are saying it's the extra workload affecting Siraj's performance.

If Bumrah ia absent then Siraj's workload will naturally be higher and it would appear that the higher workload is benefiting Siraj.

Troll thread zaroor banaiye but try not to contradict yourself in your own troll thread :rabada2
 
Nikhil_cric said:
What is your thread title and what are you trying to prove now?

Your thread implies that Bumrah's presence is impacting Siraj's performance.

Now you are saying it's the extra workload affecting Siraj's performance.

If Bumrah ia absent then Siraj's workload will naturally be higher and it would appear that the higher workload is benefiting Siraj.

Troll thread zaroor banaiye but try not to contradict yourself in your own troll thread :rabada2
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The thing is when Bumrah is absent, Siraj gets to bowl the new ball more often...also he isn't forced to bowl during the rough patches of the day just to wear down the opposition and control the flow of runs.

Just recall, Siraj's fifer majority of the time results in India's triumph, Be it in Gabba, Egbaston.... This clearly shows he shines better in his absence and with more flexibility and freedom
 
The Bald Eagle said:
The thing is when Bumrah is absent, Siraj gets to bowl the new ball more often...also he isn't forced to bowl during the rough patches of the day just to wear down the opposition and control the flow of runs.

Just recall, Siraj's fifer majority of the time results in India's triumph, Be it in Gabba, Egbaston.... This clearly shows he shines better in his absence and with more flexibility and freedom
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OK. Bumrah should retire so that Siraj can shine . Got the gist of your argument.
 
Devadwal said:
Another thread on Bumrah, after all he gave sleepless night to the certain can base :kp
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Bumrah in cricket section is what Modi is in Time Pass for OP. He opens multiple threads on them out of insecurity.

#TrueStory
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Nope, he should get the Bumrah treatment...It's not Wasim and Waqar pair but Shoaib Akhtar needed to be pampered too.
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Not sure what extra treatment Bumrah gets. If anything Bumrah was overworked due to poor show from Siraj. BUmrah was treated worse when he bowled with Siraj. Shami and Ishant were much better in complementing Bumrah.
 
Rajdeep said:
Bumrah in cricket section is what Modi is in Time Pass for OP. He opens multiple threads on them out of insecurity.

#TrueStory
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jnaveen1980 said:
Not sure what extra treatment Bumrah gets. If anything Bumrah was overworked due to poor show from Siraj. BUmrah was treated worse when he bowled with Siraj. Shami and Ishant were much better in complementing Bumrah.
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You guys need to think about it objectively, why Siraj steps up in his absence....You all criticize him for spraying in Australia but have you forgotten his bowling in the 5th Test.

He is a new ball bowler who I bet, won't get any chance even in the upcoming Lord's Test as he would be the third option with Akashdeep taking his role.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
You guys need to think about it objectively, why Siraj steps up in his absence....You all criticize him for spraying in Australia but have you forgotten his bowling in the 5th Test.

He is a new ball bowler who I bet, won't get any chance even in the upcoming Lord's Test as he would be the third option with Akashdeep taking his role.
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Siraj doesnt swing the ball as much as Arshadeep. So, there is no comparison with Bumrah.

Siraj has always been hot and cold in his career. He has shared the new ball so many times but has jot even been close to Bumrah. So, no comparison at all.

Even in the last match Akashdeep was the one who set up the tone. Nothing against Siraj and he is a good bowler. But we cant be delusional and blame Bumrah for non-performance of Siraj right?
 
And Siraj likely will be the 3rd seamer in Lords.

Bumrah and Akashdeep will share the new ball and its nothing wrong. Siraj is not a typical swing bowler and he uses wobble seam more effectively.
 
Majority of you guys not getting my point, he needs rest too, he needs workload management too, and he can't be forced to bowl just to wear down opposition. He has the potential and can be better utilized
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Majority of you guys not getting my point, he needs rest too, he needs workload management too, and he can't be forced to bowl just to wear down opposition. He has the potential and can be better utilized
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Siraj never picked up injuries. Bumrah already went absent for a long period due to injury. This is second time. First injury was career breaking. It is a miracle he came back and did well. Now again India played like 10 tests in 3 months. Then IPL. Things got worse at SCG. So he went out. This is 2024 stat. Bumrah clearly bowled atleast 60 overs more than Siraj in the same amount of Tests. WHo do you think that needs be handled in cotton wool? Siraj or Bumrah here?

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jnaveen1980 said:
Siraj never picked up injuries. Bumrah already went absent for a long period due to injury. This is second time. First injury was career breaking. It is a miracle he came back and did well. Now again India played like 10 tests in 3 months. Then IPL. Things got worse at SCG. So he went out. This is 2024 stat. Bumrah clearly bowled atleast 60 overs more than Siraj in the same amount of Tests. WHo do you think that needs be handled in cotton wool? Siraj or Bumrah here?

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Siraj is no machine too, may be the appropriate parable here is keep driving a car as it hasn't breakdown yet like the big one in garage.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Siraj is no machine too, may be the appropriate parable here is keep driving a car as it hasn't breakdown yet like the big one in garage.
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If he is injured like Mohd Shami he will be given the same treatment. Look at Shami. He got permanent rest as he could not get even to 30% of his ceiling after returning from injury. DIdn't get picked. Bumrah is once in a generation fast bowler. Siraj is not. There were many times people wanted him out. He should be thankful that he is getting picked in every series. Instead of India using Bumrah as a strike force they used him as a work horse thanks to inspid performances of Siraj from time to time.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
If he is injured like Mohd Shami he will be given the same treatment. Look at Shami. He got permanent rest as he could not get even to 30% of his ceiling after returning from injury. DIdn't get picked. Bumrah is once in a generation fast bowler. Siraj is not. There were many times people wanted him out. He should be thankful that he is getting picked in every series. Instead of India using Bumrah as a strike force they used him as a work horse thanks to inspid performances of Siraj from time to time.
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Now I know it very well he can't ever succeed for India, as long as fans and selectors will see him the way you explained
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Now I know it very well he can't ever succeed for India, as long as fans and selectors will see him the way you explained
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Are you seriously saying Siraj was the best bowler in the 2nd test. It was Akash that took out main batsmen with peaches after peach. Sure siraj mopped up the tail and took out crawley. Without Akash there is no way he would have been good.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Are you seriously saying Siraj was the best bowler in the 2nd test. It was Akash that took out main batsmen with peaches after peach. Sure siraj mopped up the tail and took out crawley. Without Akash there is no way he would have been good.
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Akash was better bowler by far on either side in the 2nd test.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Are you seriously saying Siraj was the best bowler in the 2nd test. It was Akash that took out main batsmen with peaches after peach. Sure siraj mopped up the tail and took out crawley. Without Akash there is no way he would have been good.
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Akash bowled very well but Siraj had a big contribution. He took out Crawley, Root and Stokes in the first innings and polishing the tail quickly too probably stopped Jamie Smith adding 50 more runs.

First innings lead set India up wonderfully.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Nothing to do with that. Why would one bowler influence other bowler. May be he is trying to take more responsibility. Bumrah didn't ask him to bowl like spray gun in Australia, first test.
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Hahahah....atleast spray gun lasts longer than so called "GOAT"
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Hahahah....atleast spray gun lasts longer than so called "GOAT"
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Hey Siraj is playing for India. So is Bumrah lol When one is injured other will cover. That is why India wins SENA matches.


Look at this bowling. Many were debutants. Many were 1 test old. Saini was even injured after 7 overs. India works as a unit unlike other teams. THey don't rely on individuals like your "eagle" trying glory ball every time.

 
jnaveen1980 said:
Hey Siraj is playing for India. So is Bumrah lol When one is injured other will cover. That is why India wins SENA matches.


Look at this bowling. Many were debutants. Many were 1 test old. Saini was even injured after 7 overs. India works as a unit unlike other teams. THey don't rely on individuals like your "eagle" trying glory ball every time.

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Lol how many SENA series triumph in last 15 years barring the 2 triumphs against Australia??? That is in Dhoni-Kohli-Rohit era?
 
Silly argument. Bumrah’s presence has no influence on Siraj.

OP means to say that Siraj is a mental midget which is obviously false. Siraj is a very good bowler and the second best in India after Bumrah in Tests. He has too many off games for my liking, but he is still great for India. When he is on, he can get any batsman out.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Majority of you guys not getting my point, he needs rest too, he needs workload management too, and he can't be forced to bowl just to wear down opposition. He has the potential and can be better utilized
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Lol you guys are too impulsive, just read my posts in this thread...not a big deal and you will grasp the truth that you can't deny
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol how many SENA series triumph in last 15 years barring the 2 triumphs against Australia??? That is in Dhoni-Kohli-Rohit era?
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We drew the series in SA. We were leading 2-1 in the ENgland test series.We played 5th test under a completely different leadership. Rookie captain Bumrah. otherwise it was a series win as well. We win atleast one test there. We had record breaking series win at home.

Your paast bowlers really have some proud numbers in the last 10 years in SENA

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jnaveen1980 said:
We drew the series in SA. We were leading 2-1 in the ENgland test series.We played 5th test under a completely different leadership. Rookie captain Bumrah. otherwise it was a series win as well. We win atleast one test there. We had record breaking series win at home.

Your paast bowlers really have some proud numbers in the last 10 years in SENA

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Lol so if we are allowed to exclude "ROOKIE" captain then you wouldn't have won even a single Test in Australia last year.

And after having such magnificent avg how many Test or series Bumrah helped you win in SENA?:gilly:gilly
Want me to show you graphics
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Lol so if we are allowed to exclude "ROOKIE" captain then you wouldn't have won even a single Test in Australia last year.

And after having such magnificent avg how many Test or series Bumrah helped you win in SENA?:gilly:gilly
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His job is not to win test series on his own. He is part of the team just like Pujara was just like Rahane was just like everyone else was. We work as a team. He was the leader of the pack. He was the reason why India won in 2018. He was the one who picked most wickets in the recent series. Our batsmen flunked. NOt his fault. What did Akram win in Australia? He let two lower order batsman chase 349 runs.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
His job is not to win test series on his own. He is part of the team just like Pujara was just like Rahane was just like everyone else was. We work as a team. He was the leader of the pack. He was the reason why India won in 2018. He was the one who picked most wickets in the recent series. Our batsmen flunked. NOt his fault. What did Akram win in Australia? He let two lower order batsman chase 349 runs.
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Bumrah is a great bowler don't doubt that, but he is pampered too much than Siraj. Accept that.

And on Wasim they are plenty of guys here to do comparison. Not a big fan of Wasim. But what I have heard from Lara etc it seems Bumrah is not at his level.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Bumrah is a great bowler don't doubt that, but he is pampered too much than Siraj. Accept that.

And on Wasim they are plenty of guys here to do comparison. Not a big fan of Wasim. But what I have heard from Lara etc it seems Bumrah is not at his level.
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As much as you use Siraj just as a tool to put down Bumrah. COmpared to Bumrah Siraj is just a footnote in INdian bowilng history. Bumrah is once in a life time bowler. He played through injury in England. That is why he skipped 2 tests. He doesn't have to play a single test givent he money he makes in IPL. But he prioritizes tests. So instead of burning himself to ground and having a long layoff he is missing a test here and there. Siraj is definitely not easily irreplaceable as well. But we will find someone like him. But finding someone like Bumrah is next to impossible. That intelligence, smartness, aggression, skill set combo is rare. That is why he gets special attention. He rejected captaincy purely because he wanted continuity. Very selfless guy.



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jnaveen1980 said:
As much as you use Siraj just as a tool to put down Bumrah. COmpared to Bumrah Siraj is just a footnote in INdian bowilng history. Bumrah is once in a life time bowler. He played through injury in England. That is why he skipped 2 tests. He doesn't have to play a single test givent he money he makes in IPL. But he prioritizes tests. So instead of burning himself to ground and having a long layoff he is missing a test here and there. Siraj is definitely not easily irreplaceable as well. But we will find someone like him. But finding someone like Bumrah is next to impossible. That intelligence, smartness, aggression, skill set combo is rare. That is why he gets special attention. He rejected captaincy purely because he wanted continuity. Very selfless guy.



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Let the other indian posters be the judge of it @kron @JaDed and others
 
Siraj is the real deal. Led an attack to victory in Aus and may yet square the series vs England. The GOAT Indian bowler
 
TheSultan said:
Siraj is the real deal. Led an attack to victory in Aus and may yet square the series vs England. The GOAT Indian bowler
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And you are not saying this because he is you know?

He is genuinely good. But yes he is a true sher
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Let the other indian posters be the judge of it @kron @JaDed and others
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I dint read that properly and went on about siraj. And no siraj isn’t easily replaceable at all. For me he is better than Starc and as good as Hazlewood.

Bumrah is special and one of the best ever when FIT. But he is now always injured or skipping games? What good are you to me if you keep skipping games!
 
Siraj is not a sissy coward like Bumrah. Still, he is very unlikable.
 
Siraj clearly enjoys the limelight and being the strike bowler, it raises his performance. Him and Akash Deep did seem to produce a higher level together in a long game at Edgbaston without Bumrah being around.

However on a green top Bumrah would have probably bowled short spells at full pelt & run through England. So I’m not sure how much his absence has “benefited” India this time.
 
It only tells us that Siraj is capable of leading the bowling attack in absence of Bumrah. Of course Bumrah is an ATG and the only fast bowler in history of the game to average 19 and pick 220 test wickets and maybe more in future and that too playing most of the games vs top teams. It doesn’t demean his achievements and that stays with him.
 
James said:
Siraj clearly enjoys the limelight and being the strike bowler, it raises his performance. Him and Akash Deep did seem to produce a higher level together in a long game at Edgbaston without Bumrah being around.

However on a green top Bumrah would have probably bowled short spells at full pelt & run through England. So I’m not sure how much his absence has “benefited” India this time.
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It is an illusion. In Australia SIraj went through several barren spells being unable to maintain a channel. This was before the injury Bumrah picked up in 5th test. First 4 tests Boom was absolutely venomous. He is nowhere close too that in this series. Rohit bolwed him to ground in the previous test with 3 or 4 over spell every 10 overs or so. Every Australian was literally petrified of facing him in that period.
 
A 5fer is a 5fer regardless of the result. Should recheck this in overall terms.

Nevertheless Siraj has been a champion and a warrior
 
Bhaijaan said:
A 5fer is a 5fer regardless of the result. Should recheck this in overall terms.

Nevertheless Siraj has been a champion and a warrior
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Naah.

Match winning 5fers come under pressure. Look at this one. Siraj took something like 3 for almost nothing.
 
Mohammad Siraj is the greatest Muslim Fast bowler to have played the game with utmost grace and honesty. That deserved a lot of respect and praise. It is good to see that he finally got a match and a series to celebrate for himself. He is my player of series from India.
 
Bumrah has come full circle on PP, first Indian team were too dependent on him and couldnt win without him, then he had a negative impact on other bowlers, now he is over-rated and team wins when he is not there. He will come back and win some matches and it will be back to the first point.

That's the circle of life on PP.
 
Sachin fan said:
Bumrah has come full circle on PP, first Indian team were too dependent on him and couldnt win without him, then he had a negative impact on other bowlers, now he is over-rated and team wins when he is not there. He will come back and win some matches and it will be back to the first point.

That's the circle of life on PP.
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Bumrah and Siraj will be the best two Asian pacers ever
 
Let’s not disrespect Bumrah, we would have seen him unleash his wrath on the English tail just like he has throughout the series.

Bumrah is certainly the GOAT fast bowler once the opposition is 6 down.
 
Mamoon said:
Let’s not disrespect Bumrah, we would have seen him unleash his wrath on the English tail just like he has throughout the series.

Bumrah is certainly the GOAT fast bowler once the opposition is 6 down.
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The only thing down right now is your pants.
I remember your snide remark about how England will chase this easily, you have been defeated and shown your level. Take a break for a couple of months now.
 
Mamoon said:
Let’s not disrespect Bumrah, we would have seen him unleash his wrath on the English tail just like he has throughout the series.

Bumrah is certainly the GOAT fast bowler once the opposition is 6 down.
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Yes because this is the only series he has ever played and everyone has not seen him running through top order batsmen in other series time and again.
 
Indians performance is held firm by the two Mohammeds.

In tests Siraj has delivered a win in Aus and in England.

In ODI Shami has been the stand out bowler in world cups.

Jasprit is ahead in t20is. Btw before someone jumps down my throat I am not writing him off lol but we should acknowledge the massive role the others have had to play.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Indians performance is held firm by the two Mohammeds.

In tests Siraj has delivered a win in Aus and in England.

In ODI Shami has been the stand out bowler in world cups.

Jasprit is ahead in t20is. Btw before someone jumps down my throat I am not writing him off lol but we should acknowledge the massive role the others have had to play.
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Three wins in England. Had a 5fer in Edgbaston as well. Was also highest wicket taker in Lord's 2021.

One win in SA.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Siraj wins series.

Bumrah wins some matches.

Siraj deserves more appreciation instead of being seen as a backing dancer to Bumrah.
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Naah Bumrah won series too. 2018 Aus and 2020 was great in MCG. Even 2021-22 2-2 drawn Eng series he was Indian MoS and bowled well in both the victories. 2024 SA he took 5fer in the CT test in 2nd innings.

Both are good.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Siraj wins series.

Bumrah wins some matches.

Siraj deserves more appreciation instead of being seen as a backing dancer to Bumrah.
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Don't know why Indians hesitate to accept the obvious, Siraj will never reach his full potential unless he will be treated like a backup guy for a so called GOAT....India gave kamboh the new ball with Bumrah in 4th Test instead of Siraj and that tells enough how they treat him. And most importantly he needs workload management too
 
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