[PICTURE] Does Jasprit Bumrah's presence have a negative impact on Mohammad Siraj's performance?

[mominsaigol]

The thing is here's where Pakistanis will always view everything through lens of religion and the whole Shor Sharaba by Pakistanis is because Siraj's Muslim and Bumrah's Hindu. If both were Hindus or Muslims, neither the OP nor the subsequent Pakistanis would be posting about it.

It all comes down to religion and Islam ke self appointed thekedaars and even funnier Pakistanis preaching about democracy and equality?

However let me indulge one of these- Siraj in this series has been better than Bumrah and we wouldnt have drawn the series without him.

. Have you ever seen me bring god into any conversation?

No cause God is overkill. I am enough to destroy everyone in my path.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Well they were invited to play 5 tests in 1987 and 1992 and guess what Pakistan won both series with Wasim playing so errmmm learn some history

130k by the last match. Hmm Wasim took a 6fer in the first innings and 3fer in the second innings in 1992 5th Test. And Waqar took a 5fer in the second innings of the 5th test.

Time to edit your ish post

5th test 2 for 19 in total of 13 overs

5th test at ova 0/37 & 0/3

Those were the only 2 5th test he has played . Grand total of 2 wickets

 

[nish_mate]

Don't be so blind in hatred mate, Bumrah is a proud sikh

My bad on calling a Sikh a Hindu.

The point stands, if Bumrah and Siraj were Sikhs or Muslims there would be no shor sharaba from you and others....

As for hatred, you are hopefully old enough to know who's more consumed by hatred etc..... maybe open something on TP and others can help you there.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

My bad on calling a Sikh a Hindu.

The point stands, if Bumrah and Siraj were Sikhs or Muslims there would be no shor sharaba from you and others....

As for hatred, you are hopefully old enough to know who's more consumed by hatred etc..... maybe open something on TP and others can help you there.

You are not talking sense mate, will advise you to take a break.

PS: I admire Bumrah as a great bowler and want same treatment for Siraj....which infact you guys have been denying till now but thankfully things are going to change now soon

 

[nish_mate]

You are not talking sense mate, will advise you to take a break.

PS: I admire Bumrah as a great bowler and want same treatment for Siraj....which infact you guys have been denying till now but thankfully things are going to change now soon

Thanks for the advise- do you give the same to your countrymen who bring religion into every facet of life?

As for Siraj vs Bumrah- funny you are the judge, jury and excutioner of what Indian fans feel or favour...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Thanks for the advise- do you give the same to your countrymen who bring religion into every facet of life?

As for Siraj vs Bumrah- funny you are the judge, jury and excutioner of what Indian fans feel or favour...

Let us all be the judge then, it's an open forum.

 

[nish_mate]

Let us all be the judge then, it's an open forum.

Then dont pass the judgement unanimously .

 

[saimayubera]

We usually spank you in Asia Cup so now your narrative is India doesnt care LOL!

Ye kab hua lol

We have 8 AC to Pak's 2

Matches W/L is 10-6

In last 5 years 5-1 with India winning 3 AC and Pak winning 0. In fact Pak has made less finals than Bang in the last 10 years.

 

[Ab Fan]

0 IQ moment spotted.

Let me educate you, although I think you are beyond being educated.

The real humiliation was PCB forcing BCCI to move the entire Asia Cup to UAE, including matches between other teams.

In the CT, BCCI failed to do the same. They only played their own matches in UAE, while other teams played their own matches in Pakistan.

BCCI’s narrative that Pakistan is not safe to play cricket in was not accepted by other cricket boards. For example, Australia and England couldn’t care less about BCCI sentiment when they played a thriller in Lahore and both teams got crazy support by the fans.

Even the players from both sides acknowledged that the atmosphere was electric and it’s not something that you usually experience in a neutral match.

BCCI was hoping that their refusal to play in Pakistan would discourage other teams from playing in Pakistan and the whole CT will move out of Pakistan which did not happen.

However, that is what PCB achieved with the Asia Cup. India will not play a single match in India now, whereas they could have forced PCB to play Pakistan matches in UAE.

Haha , funnily enough but 0 IQ moment was shown by you because you earlier mentioned that he is a GOAT bowler when bowling to batters who come to bat after 6 down and that claim was for overall international career and not just that series. But I showed you the real facts that over his international career, his lower order wickets % belongs to same range as most of the fast bowlers that played the game.

If we look at the extremes then not Bumrah but instead it is Wasim Akram, one of your guys with 35% lower order wickets and it is among the highest % among most pacers so instead of criticising Bumrah, the real question should be raised on Wasim’s lower order stats padding.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Haha , funnily enough but 0 IQ moment was shown by you because you earlier mentioned that he is a GOAT bowler when bowling to batters who come to bat after 6 down and that claim was for overall international career and not just that series. But I showed you the real facts that over his international career, his lower order wickets % belongs to same range as most of the fast bowlers that played the game.

If we look at the extremes then not Bumrah but instead it is Wasim Akram, one of your guys with 35% lower order wickets and it is among the highest % among most pacers so instead of criticising Bumrah, the real question should be raised on Wasim’s lower order stats padding.

Back then lower order couldn't bat to save their lives unlike now.

 

[Ab Fan]

Ye kab hua lol

We have 8 AC to Pak's 2

Matches W/L is 10-6

In last 5 years 5-1 with India winning 3 AC and Pak winning 0. In fact Pak has made less finals than Bang in the last 10 years.

Bhai has lost it. I guess arranging a bilateral series vs Afghanistan will help.

 

[Devadwal]

Most Wickets by Indians in SENA Test Wins

63 - Jasprit Bumrah
51 - Siraj
38 - E Prasanna
34 - B Chandrasekhar
34 - Ishant Sharma
29 - Mohd Shami
28 - Anil Kumble
26 - Zaheer Khan

 

[Hitman]

Akhtar faced an ATG Aus team and strong Indian batting on phattas. He is a far bigger match winner than Bhumrah...2 fivers and 2 losses in England LOL @Devadwal

LOL, the only thing he was better at than Bumrah is injecting himself with nandrolone. That drug infected junkie isn't good enough to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bumrah.

 

[saimayubera]

Akhtar faced an ATG Aus team and strong Indian batting on phattas. He is a far bigger match winner than Bhumrah...2 fivers and 2 losses in England LOL @Devadwal

Bumrah also has a 5fer in a win in England - TB 2018.

You know how many 5fers Akhtar has in England (win or lose)? ZERO

Bumrah also has 2 match winning 5fers in Aus. You know how many Akhtar has? ZERO

 

[jnaveen1980]

LOL, the only thing he was better at than Bumrah is injecting himself with nandrolone. That drug infected junkie isn't good enough to be mentioned in the same sentence as Bumrah.

Agarkar has a fifer in Australia against ATG and won the match

 

[Technics 1210]

Lol Insecure are those who are trying hard to drum beat a drawn series as series triumph even after escaping by 6 runs against 10 men

Beating a 10 man team and drawing the series in the same test against an England B-Team, is how low Indian fans have stooped to taste victory.

It's called scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[Hitman]

Beating a 10 man team and drawing the series in the same test against an England B-Team, is how low Indian fans have stooped to taste victory.

It's called scraping the bottom of the barrel.

While some teams keep losing every single Test match they have played in Australia since 1998.

 

[Hitman]

Agarkar has a fifer in Australia against ATG and won the match

I posted Akhtar's Test stats against the 2 best batting line ups of his time for everyone to see. Despite that some posters lack shame to even mention him alongside Bumrah.​

 

[gazza619]

This is very interesting. Can someone please pull out the test performance of the two Ws when they played together and not together. I am curious

 

[jnaveen1980]

This is very interesting. Can someone please pull out the test performance of the two Ws when they played together and not together. I am curious

That is going to be same. But if you look at Ishant's performance/Shami performance both have done better when they played with Bumrah. Ishant's average drops down by 7 points. I only checked the stat of ishant after Bumrah made debut. Having said that when on song Siraj can perform well even with Bumrah like SA got bowled out for 55 when he took 6fer. Bumrah took 1 or 2 wicket that day. He bowled SL out for 50 odd runs twice.

 

[TheSultan]

5th test 2 for 19 in total of 13 overs

5th test at ova 0/37 & 0/3

Those were the only 2 5th test he has played . Grand total of 2 wickets

I mean even a kid can google “England vs Pakistan 5th test 1992 Oval scorecard”. Clearly you are having some trouble so let me just paste the link to it. Hope you know how to click a link:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-england-1992-61462/england-vs-pakistan-5th-test-63579/full-scorecard

 

[BreadPakoda]

Was listening to the Beard Before Wicket podcast and seems like Broad had a similar situation where he performed better when Anderson wasn’t playing. That’s when he got his career-best 8/15 too.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...a-4th-investec-test-743969/live-cricket-score

 

[jnaveen1980]

I mean even a kid can google “England vs Pakistan 5th test 1992 Oval scorecard”. Clearly you are having some trouble so let me just paste the link to it. Hope you know how to click a link:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/pakistan-tour-of-england-1992-61462/england-vs-pakistan-5th-test-63579/full-scorecard

Except he didn't play all 5 tests duh.lol If someone plays only 5th test doesn't mean he played all 5 tests.

 

[TheSultan]

Except he didn't play all 5 tests duh.lol If someone plays only 5th test doesn't mean he played all 5 tests.

Are we entering that twighlight zone again of shifting goalposts?

You started off by saying Pakistan were never invited for a 5 test series and as a result wasim never performed in a 5 test series.

After I slapped you down by giving you the facts - they were “invited” in 1987 and 1992 - incidentally decades before India ever were. Then you come out with some random stats.

I slap you down again by providing the facts about the 5th test in 1992.

Now it becomes “oh he didn’t play all 5 tests”. Well he played 4 and only missed the first test due to shin splints.

And of course as you should know, Waqar played all 5 tests and took a 5fer - 5-52 in the last innings Pakistan bowled in. So what’s your excuse there?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Are we entering that twighlight zone again of shifting goalposts?

You started off by saying Pakistan were never invited for a 5 test series and as a result wasim never performed in a 5 test series.

After I slapped you down by giving you the facts - they were “invited” in 1987 and 1992 - incidentally decades before India ever were. Then you come out with some random stats.

I slap you down again by providing the facts about the 5th test in 1992.

Now it becomes “oh he didn’t play all 5 tests”. Well he played 4 and only missed the first test due to shin splints.

And of course as you should know, Waqar played all 5 tests and took a 5fer - 5-52 in the last innings Pakistan bowled in. So what’s your excuse there?

There is no goal post shifting. Just do a cricinfo search of AKram by series. You will find only two series where he played all 5 tests. You didn't slap anyone lol I just exposed your ignorance. You get a rest day also in between. Your whole explanation is moot. DOn't waste time.

 

[Ab Fan]

I posted Akhtar's Test stats against the 2 best batting line ups of his time for everyone to see. Despite that some posters lack shame to even mention him alongside Bumrah.​

Where have you posted? I want to check.

 

[Hitman]

Where have you posted? I want to check.

Post in thread '[PICTURE] Does Jasprit Bumrah's presence have a negative impact on Mohammad Siraj's performance?'

Tuesday at 12:17 PM

Shoaib was a proper speedster, not baby late 130s, odd 140+ pace.

People only now are finding out that those type of bowlers require management.

Don’t compare a rickshaw with a Ferrari

Did I forget to mention his ferrari like performances against the top 2 batting line ups of his time, Australia and India?

vs Australia - 35.64 (ave); SR - 56.4

vs India - 34.50 (ave); SR - 61.9


Link: https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/42655.html?class=1;template=results;type=bowling

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[Sachin fan]

Siraj wins series.

Bumrah wins some matches.

Siraj deserves more appreciation instead of being seen as a backing dancer to Bumrah.

No one player wins series. We wouldn't have won Gabba without Pant and Gill and Sirajs effort would have been wasted just like Bumrahs 5-fer was wasted in Lord when our batsmen failed to chase 190 runs.

Teams wins series and it's good to see this young team doing well.

 

[Sachin fan]

India in cricket in 2025

With Bumrah - played 3, won 0
Without Bumrah - played 18, lost 0

Yes india started playing tests in 2025. Some of you guys desperation are hilarious

I remember same mental gymnastics used to attack Sachin.

Looks like Pak fans have not grown mentally from that time at all, while most other countries have matured as fans.

And this mentality is reflected not just in sports but in a country's progress as well

You can correlate a country progress with its citizens mentality. Not growing and maturing since the 90s and having exact same thing and mentality is not a good sign at all.

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC NOW

 

[TheSultan]

There is no goal post shifting. Just do a cricinfo search of AKram by series. You will find only two series where he played all 5 tests. You didn't slap anyone lol I just exposed your ignorance. You get a rest day also in between. Your whole explanation is moot. DOn't waste time.

That was a lot of waffle.

No. It is about Siraj. You can have it here. Siraj was bowling at 146k on 5th day of 5th test. A dream of Akram. oh wait. they were never invited to play 5 tests were they? They would be trundling at 130k by 5th test.

this is what you said at the start. You got slapped down boy, now sit back down.

What you’re trying to chest thump about now, we were doing decades ago.

It’s cute watching Indians get excited about fast bowling

 

[Hitman]

It’s cute watching Indians get excited about fast bowling

More than the performance of Indian fast bowlers, I just hope and pray they don't start injecting themselves with nandrolone.

 

[saimayubera]

That was a lot of waffle.

this is what you said at the start. You got slapped down boy, now sit back down.

What you’re trying to chest thump about now, we were doing decades ago.

It’s cute watching Indians get excited about fast bowling

It's cute watching Paksitan hang on to a legacy that finished 30 years ago.

 

[TheSultan]

More than the performance of Indian fast bowlers, I just hope and pray they don't start injecting themselves with nandrolone.

Yea cheers, what a great comeback

 

[TheSultan]

It's cute watching Paksitan hang on to a legacy that finished 30 years ago.

Not quite 30 years ago, the last time Pak-India met in an ICC world final, our spearhead destroyed your top order. By the same token, your spearhead choked a no ball in the same game.

Pakistan have big issues, and we address all of them. I’m their biggest critic, because I expect more. By we don’t need Indians getting involved. Stay in your lane son

 

[saimayubera]

Yea cheers, what a great comeback

At least it is one.

Pakistan's pace bowling is never coming back.

 

[TheSultan]

At least it is one.

Pakistan's pace bowling is never coming back.

Just stick to nerdy stats. You guys just ain’t got it

 

[saimayubera]

Not quite 30 years ago, the last time Pak-India met in an ICC world final, our spearhead destroyed your top order. By the same token, your spearhead choked a no ball in the same game.

Pakistan have big issues, and we address all of them. I’m their biggest critic, because I expect more. By we don’t need Indians getting involved. Stay in your lane son

That was eight years ago. Pakistan get kicked out in group stage games so there will hardly be any finals will there?

The last time India and Pakistan met in a World Cup game, our spearhead stopped Pakistan from chasing a paltry 120 and kicked them out in the first round.

As far as CT is concerned, in the last edition (which happened this year) India first made Paksitan fly out to Dubai and then kicked their ass, kicking them out of their own home tournament. India went on to win the tournament undefeated. Pak went out in the first round, bottom of the group with zero wins. To add insult to injury, India did not allow the final to happen in Pakistan.

Kicked Pakistan out of the tournament and then the tournament out of Pakistan.

 

[saimayubera]

Just stick to nerdy stats. You guys just ain’t got it

Pakistan are the ones who don't have it. And never had tbh.

 

[Ab Fan]

Shoaib was a proper speedster, not baby late 130s, odd 140+ pace.

People only now are finding out that those type of bowlers require management.

Don’t compare a rickshaw with a Ferrari

Shoaib is nowhere like a Ferrari. A better metaphor for him would be Bugatti Veyron. Fastest but limited in every other aspect.

Bumrah is more like a Ferrari- Deadly fast, tactically superior, built for all conditions. Balanced between art and engineering.

 

[nish_mate]

Pakistanis now mixing up tests and LOIs to diss Bumrah, tells you the hold he has on them

 

[saimayubera]

Pakistanis now mixing up tests and LOIs to diss Bumrah, tells you the hold he has on them

Bumrah was MoM in both the last WC games he played vs them and helped kick them out in both.

As a cope, they are sticking to some old match of a tournament whose current holders are India who won it undefeated defeating Paksitan in the way who won zero matches lol. To make matter worse, that tournament was held by Paksitan.

 

[Hitman]

Yea cheers, what a great comeback

Come back? That a fact.

 

[TheSultan]

That was eight years ago. Pakistan get kicked out in group stage games so there will hardly be any finals will there?

The last time India and Pakistan met in a World Cup game, our spearhead stopped Pakistan from chasing a paltry 120 and kicked them out in the first round.

As far as CT is concerned, in the last edition (which happened this year) India first made Paksitan fly out to Dubai and then kicked their ass, kicking them out of their own home tournament. India went on to win the tournament undefeated. Pak went out in the first round, bottom of the group with zero wins. To add insult to injury, India did not allow the final to happen in Pakistan.

Kicked Pakistan out of the tournament and then the tournament out of Pakistan.


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Do you have reading comprehension? I already said our current team have big issues.

But I hope India enjoy their champions white blazers with Pakistan’s name on it!

 

[TheSultan]

Come back? That a fact.

Another great comeback - anything cricket related to discuss?

 

[TheSultan]

Shoaib is nowhere like a Ferrari. A better metaphor for him would be Bugatti Veyron. Fastest but limited in every other aspect.

Bumrah is more like a Ferrari- Deadly fast, tactically superior, built for all conditions. Balanced between art and engineering.

Limited? What could he not do? Fastest ever, could swing the new ball, deadly old ball, deadly bouncers, deadly Yorkers, mental slower ball.

He had injuries which extreme speed bowlers have but no way was he limited.

 

[Hitman]

Limited? What could he not do? Fastest ever, could swing the new ball, deadly old ball, deadly bouncers, deadly Yorkers, mental slower ball.

He had injuries which extreme speed bowlers have but no way was he limited.​

All that resulted in such fantastic output against the top 2 batting line ups of his time, Australia and India. It would make any of his blind and man child fans 'proud'.​

 

[TheSultan]

All that resulted in such fantastic output against the top 2 batting line ups of his time, Australia and India. It would make any of his blind and man child fans 'proud'.​

Engineered stats don’t make a difference. Calcutta 1999 and Colombo 2002 are etched in everyone’s memory.

Do your bud bud pajeet style stats to the kids. We watched it, we know

 

[BouncerGuy]

YOU GUYS NEED TO WATCH YOUR LANGUAGE.... ENOUGH

 

[Ab Fan]

Limited? What could he not do? Fastest ever, could swing the new ball, deadly old ball, deadly bouncers, deadly Yorkers, mental slower ball.

He had injuries which extreme speed bowlers have but no way was he limited.

Limited in terms of not bowling traits. But in terms of impact, match winning spells and performance vs top teams as visible by his performance against top sides.

 

[Hitman]

Engineered stats don’t make a difference. Calcutta 1999 and Colombo 2002 are etched in everyone’s memory.

Do your bud bud pajeet style stats to the kids. We watched it, we know

LMAO, those are statistical facts, not some fantasies of me. The fact that he choked all his career against Australia and India is for everyone to see.​

 

[TheSultan]

yeah most of them 2 years into their careers without sehwag.

was ***** slapped in 2004 in his own home including rawalpindi.

cheers pawki

And of course sorry, forgot the great Mohammad Azharuddin too. One of the GOATs of Indian cricket.

2006 was a good smack down too. Shoaib steaming in scaring the Indians and Asif cleaning up. Good cop, bad cop

LMAO, those are statistical facts, not some fantasies of me. The fact that he choked all his career against Australia and India is for everyone to see.​

whatever some keyboard warrior says is irrelevant. Everyone knows Shoaib’s pedigree.

No go and get really angry, let’s see what gems you can come up with

 

[Hitman]

whatever some keyboard warrior says is irrelevant. Everyone knows Shoaib’s pedigree.

No go and get really angry, let’s see what gems you can come up with

Those are not some opinion of keyboard warrior. Those are facts of that nandrolone infected junkie.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Yes india started playing tests in 2025. Some of you guys desperation are hilarious

I remember same mental gymnastics used to attack Sachin.

Looks like Pak fans have not grown mentally from that time at all, while most other countries have matured as fans.

And this mentality is reflected not just in sports but in a country's progress as well

You can correlate a country progress with its citizens mentality. Not growing and maturing since the 90s and having exact same thing and mentality is not a good sign at all.

I just shared an interesting stat. Didn't draw any conclusions.

You wrote an essay attacking everything from me to my country's mentality

And yet you claim I haven't grown mentally.

Maybe introspect a bit and take a good hard look in the mirror before you decide to open your mouth next time.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I just shared an interesting stat. Didn't draw any conclusions.

You wrote an essay attacking everything from me to my country's mentality

And yet you claim I haven't grown mentally.

Maybe introspect a bit and take a good hard look in the mirror before you decide to open your mouth next time.

I read it somewher on twitter. If you use the same filter for Virat kohli and bastmen it is absolutely shocking whenever VIrat kohli did not play average of Indian batsmen go very high

Gill, Rahul, Pant, Sundar all average way high whenver Kohli don't play. Something 55-60s. When he plays they go as low 25ish.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I read it somewher on twitter. If you use the same filter for Virat kohli and bastmen it is absolutely shocking whenever VIrat kohli did not play average of Indian batsmen go very high

Gill, Rahul, Pant, Sundar all average way high whenver Kohli don't play. Something 55-60s. When he plays they go as low 25ish.

So did I. And it was actually shared by an Indian user.

Point is, it was just a lighthearted joke. A stat you wouldn't think would be true, but out of coincidence happens to be. But seems some people here are just looking for a reason to get offended. And yet I am the one who needs to 'mentally grow up.'

 

[jnaveen1980]

So did I. And it was actually shared by an Indian user.

Point is, it was just a lighthearted joke. A stat you wouldn't think would be true, but out of coincidence happens to be. But seems some people here are just looking for a reason to get offended. And yet I am the one who needs to 'mentally grow up.'

Siraj took 6fer while bundling out South Africa for 55 runs. Bumrah played in that test. Siraj has some skills of his own. Bumrah has some skills of his own. But Bumrah is far more versatile, accurate, can adapt easily to many conditions. Also probably the most thinking bowler. During Perth test SIraj kept on referring to how Jassie helped him with what length to hit, how to use wide of the crease. Siraj is a humble person, Bumrah is a humble person. That guy rejected captaincy because continuiy will be missing and Gill got the captaincy. Real arrogant guys are the batsmen in Indian set up. Not bowlers. I think some want to desperately put down Bumrah they resort to exaggerating correlations. Let me tell you the whole correlation was floated around because of fight between Kohli and Rohit fans. Kohli fans absolutely despise Bumrah as Bumrah plays for MI. The funny thing is Kohli did not win a single overseas test without Bumrah. It is only other captains that won without Bumrah.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Siraj took 6fer while bundling out South Africa for 55 runs. Bumrah played in that test. Siraj has some skills of his own. Bumrah has some skills of his own. But Bumrah is far more versatile, accurate, can adapt easily to many conditions. Also probably the most thinking bowler. During Perth test SIraj kept on referring to how Jassie helped him with what length to hit, how to use wide of the crease. Siraj is a humble person, Bumrah is a humble person. That guy rejected captaincy because continuiy will be missing and Gill got the captaincy. Real arrogant guys are the batsmen in Indian set up. Not bowlers. I think some want to desperately put down Bumrah they resort to exaggerating correlations. Let me tell you the whole correlation was floated around because of fight between Kohli and Rohit fans. Kohli fans absolutely despise Bumrah as Bumrah plays for MI. The funny thing is Kohli did not win a single overseas test without Bumrah. It is only other captains that won without Bumrah.

Who do you think are these arrogant batsmen in the set-up?

Strange to hear that Indian fans are so divided. You would think that a bowler like Bumrah would be more celebrated by all. And while Rohit has done alot in white-ball he has been a nothing test cricketer for most of his career, so not sure how he can be compared to Kohli, who has 9K+ test runs and as captain, made India into a competitive team overseas that could not only compete but also win matches. Till Dhoni was captain India's overseas performances were absolutely embarrassing.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Beating a 10 man team and drawing the series in the same test against an England B-Team, is how low Indian fans have stooped to taste victory.

It's called scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Eloquent brother

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Siraj took 6fer while bundling out South Africa for 55 runs. Bumrah played in that test. Siraj has some skills of his own. Bumrah has some skills of his own. But Bumrah is far more versatile, accurate, can adapt easily to many conditions. Also probably the most thinking bowler. During Perth test SIraj kept on referring to how Jassie helped him with what length to hit, how to use wide of the crease. Siraj is a humble person, Bumrah is a humble person. That guy rejected captaincy because continuiy will be missing and Gill got the captaincy. Real arrogant guys are the batsmen in Indian set up. Not bowlers. I think some want to desperately put down Bumrah they resort to exaggerating correlations. Let me tell you the whole correlation was floated around because of fight between Kohli and Rohit fans. Kohli fans absolutely despise Bumrah as Bumrah plays for MI. The funny thing is Kohli did not win a single overseas test without Bumrah. It is only other captains that won without Bumrah.

So Kohli is behind this all mess. I never knew he was that jealous of Jassie

 

[jnaveen1980]

Who do you think are these arrogant batsmen in the set-up?

Strange to hear that Indian fans are so divided. You would think that a bowler like Bumrah would be more celebrated by all. And while Rohit has done alot in white-ball he has been a nothing test cricketer for most of his career, so not sure how he can be compared to Kohli, who has 9K+ test runs and as captain, made India into a competitive team overseas that could not only compete but also win matches. Till Dhoni was captain India's overseas performances were absolutely embarrassing.

Current set up they are early in their careers. Bowlers never get it . When you watch highlights how much airtime a batsman get? how much airttime a bowler get? Batsman get a lot more time as they show him hitting all the fours, sixes etc. If he hits 25 fours. you watch him 25 times including slowmo tracking the ball. But even if a bowler takes all 5 wickets he gets air time of what? 5 times? YOu almost subconsciously take bowlers for granted as their magic moment doesn't last that long. India traditionally enjoyed batsmen more as they didn't have many pacers until Kapil. Kapil probably was the last fast bowler that had rousing reception while bowling. That tradition continues. Almost all Indian fast bowlers are humble. Bumrah, Siraj, Shami. Also they are generall not that eloquent during the playing days. Bumrah is probably the most eloquent fast bowler in Indian history. Watch Bumrah's interview with DK on SKY sports before the series. That is real gold. Batsmen generally develop this ego as they get all the attention. popularity can make you do such things.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So Kohli is behind this all mess. I never knew he was that jealous of Jassie

kOhli fan club is the most anti-Bumrah.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

kOhli fan club is the most anti-Bumrah.

O what an ungrateful bunch, Bumrah and Hardik saved Kohli legacy in 2024

 

[saimayubera]

And of course sorry, forgot the great Mohammad Azharuddin too. One of the GOATs of Indian cricket.

2006 was a good smack down too. Shoaib steaming in scaring the Indians and Asif cleaning up. Good cop, bad cop

whatever some keyboard warrior says is irrelevant. Everyone knows Shoaib’s pedigree.

No go and get really angry, let’s see what gems you can come up with

Remember when his career was ended in 2007 by India when he had to taken out on a stretcher?

He never played tests again lol.

Only great Pakistanis on the net overate Shoaib. Never won an ICC trophy. Never won a big away series against a top team.

 

[RizwanT20Champ]

@nish

Bumrah also has a 5fer in a win in England - TB 2018.

You know how many 5fers Akhtar has in England (win or lose)? ZERO

Bumrah also has 2 match winning 5fers in Aus. You know how many Akhtar has? ZERO

Akhtar silenced 1.5 billion in 1999 when he got Tendulker and Draved out 2 in 2 balls. Humbled him again in Rawalpindi 2006 when Tendulker choked a runchase as usual lol.

 

[Sachin fan]

@nish

Akhtar silenced 1.5 billion in 1999 when he got Tendulker and Draved out 2 in 2 balls. Humbled him again in Rawalpindi 2006 when Tendulker choked a runchase as usual lol.

Sachin always got out to new players on debut. It was nothing new, akhtar wasn't the first one and wouldn't be the last.

Sachin even struggled against Henry olanga his first match. Then he would study and play way better against the same bowlers in the future.

 

[Sachin fan]

I just shared an interesting stat. Didn't draw any conclusions.

You wrote an essay attacking everything from me to my country's mentality

And yet you claim I haven't grown mentally.

Maybe introspect a bit and take a good hard look in the mirror before you decide to open your mouth next time.

Its not a "stat" if it's based on one series, it's a coincidence

My post about the mentality is exactly right. I have been following cricket through the 90s when Pakistani fans used the same twisted "stats" to attack Sachin again and again and again

These interesting "stats" were used even at that time.

So I was pointing to an interesting observation about how the thinking and logic of the Pakistani fans hasn't changed for over 3 decades.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Its not a "stat" if it's based on one series, it's a coincidence

My post about the mentality is exactly right. I have been following cricket through the 90s when Pakistani fans used the same twisted "stats" to attack Sachin again and again and again

These interesting "stats" were used even at that time.

So I was pointing to an interesting observation about how the thinking and logic of the Pakistani fans hasn't changed for over 3 decades.

If they extend this to other bowlers like Ishant, Shami you will see a different picture. But they had to choose this one because this fits the narrative. I am 100% sure this was not something they worked out. This was spammed by Kohli trolls on social media which they picked up on.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Its not a "stat" if it's based on one series, it's a coincidence

My post about the mentality is exactly right. I have been following cricket through the 90s when Pakistani fans used the same twisted "stats" to attack Sachin again and again and again

These interesting "stats" were used even at that time.

So I was pointing to an interesting observation about how the thinking and logic of the Pakistani fans hasn't changed for over 3 decades.

I guess an inferiority complex about fast-bowling shaped over decades takes a long time to shake-off. You mentioned you started watching in the 90s. That explains alot!

I could go on about the "mentality of Indian fans" too, but then what would be the difference between you and me? Anyway, I hope you find better ways to cope with some obvious frustrations in life.

 

[Hitman]

@nish

Akhtar silenced 1.5 billion in 1999 when he got Tendulker and Draved out 2 in 2 balls. Humbled him again in Rawalpindi 2006 when Tendulker choked a runchase as usual lol.

Actor's 'phenomenal' performances in Tests against Australia and India are there for everyone to see. I posted the stats. Imagine, he achieved those 'honourable' numbers despite injecting himself with nandrolone. What would his numbers be against those 2 teams without nandrolone? ​

 

[Sachin fan]

I guess an inferiority complex about fast-bowling shaped over decades takes a long time to shake-off. You mentioned you started watching in the 90s. That explains alot!

I could go on about the "mentality of Indian fans" too, but then what would be the difference between you and me? Anyway, I hope you find better ways to cope with some obvious frustrations in life.

The irony and hypocrisy of this post is staggering.

Its Pakistani fans crying and attacking a 19 averaging Bumrah. Its pakistani fans opening a 100 thread about indian bowlers, no Indians have opened a thread attacking Pak bowlers.

And we have the inferiority complex? Really?

Not even a child will believe that buddy. Its obvious where the inferiority complex and jealousy is coming from.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Don't be so blind in hatred mate, Bumrah is a proud sikh

well according to some indians here then Bumrah isn't indian

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

The irony and hypocrisy of this post is staggering.

Its Pakistani fans crying and attacking a 19 averaging Bumrah. Its pakistani fans opening a 100 thread about indian bowlers, no Indians have opened a thread attacking Pak bowlers.

And we have the inferiority complex? Really?

Not even a child will believe that buddy. Its obvious where the inferiority complex and jealousy is coming from.

The only thing that's truly staggering is your level of ignorance.

Especially the manner in which you keep conflating my opinions (which you clearly don't know) with the opinions of "pakistani fans." And rather than just leaving well enough alone and keeping your mouth shut, you keep blabbering on incessantly.

Even after I made it clear that I was just trolling and having fun. Had you known my opinions, you would have known that I regard Bumrah as the best fast-bowler in the world right now, and generally have positive things to say about India's current pace-attack. But no, you insist on opening your mouth and spouting the same nonsense repeatedly.

BTW, if you think so less of Pakistani fans, wth are you doing on a Pakistani cricket forum populated mostly by Pakistani fans? Especially since it's quite obvious that you are not here to win any hearts and minds.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@nish_mate

So what has been the collective judgement now?

 

[TheSultan]

the other thing Siraj has over Bumrah is that he just is so much more aesthetically pleasing to watch.

You actually feel like you’re watching a proper fast bowler. Great energetic run up and action.

Sorry, Bumrah is just ugly - India stumbled upon him by accident.

Siraj should be a proud product of India’s investment in a pace academy. The textbook fast bowler (even though he doesn’t (nor any other Indian bowler for that matter bowl) that fast).

 

[nish_mate]

@nish_mate

So what has been the collective judgement now

Depends on the mix of the collective aint it mate?

 

[Mesozoic]

Looks like Pakistanis have still not recovered from these

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Looks like Pakistanis have still not recovered from these

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O yes

 

[Mesozoic]

O yes

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Nah not the same..

We have mauled you each and every time in Odis since this game and Bumrah has played a part in all of those maulings. Now tell me who must be traumatized..

Try harder...

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nah not the same..

We have mauled you each and every time in Odis since this game and Bumrah has played a part in all of those maulings. Now tell me who must be traumatized..

Try harder...

O wow in finals

Bumrah is a legend, he isn't the star of 2017 only, thanks to Shami for being the scapegoat in 2021.