[PICTURE] Heaviest defeats for Pakistan in the T20 format

[Major]

Pakistan suffered their two heaviest T20I defeats by balls remaining (60 and 59 balls remaining) and their biggest loss by runs (115 runs - 4th T20I) in this NZ series.

 

[JaDed]

Doesn’t mean anything if they can reach top 4 of next ICC T20.

All these defeats only mean something in Tests because every test wins count.

 

[Suleiman]

Pak has been left behind, so unfortunately unless something changes drastically in the next few years the gulf of professionalism between us and everyone else is just too large. They have talent + proper structure and regimen treating their players as athletes in a sport while we just have kriketerrs

Even the teams with poor or no cricket structure like Afghanistan or West Indies are superior in terms of raw talent. Their t20 batsmen are bigger hitters on average, their spinners are more lethal, their players are fitter and more serious about being sportsmen, fast bowling is maybe something perhaps we can still have over them but that’s because of pedigree.

Everything else like handling pressure, fielding, tactics, technique and just overall fitness are all things we’ve been left behind in and that’s why when we face top teams it feels like watching your local club team square off against actual international level teams.

We couldn’t keep up with the times and the gap gets bigger every 5-10 years. NZ were treated like our water boys even as far back as 2010-2011… but they have fully surpassed us in all formats at this point

 

[Varun]

Doesn’t mean anything if they can reach top 4 of next ICC T20.

All these defeats only mean something in Tests because every test wins count.

Agreed, what a random 5 T20 series out of nowhere.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I dont care about these defeats.

I care about defeats to USA in world Cup and test losses to Bangladesh.

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s a rebuilding phase bro. Sallu bhai had the end goal in his mind which is the World Cup

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I dont care about these defeats.

I care about defeats to USA in world Cup and test losses to Bangladesh.

True. Pakistan don't have the talent currently to beat sides like NZ.

The bench strength is extremely mediocre.

 

[nish_mate]

I dont care about these defeats.

I care about defeats to USA in world Cup and test losses to Bangladesh.

Why BD? Surely loss to a brotherly nation's a matter of joy than sorrow.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why BD? Surely loss to a brotherly nation's a matter of joy than sorrow.

I was happy for them. They did well but it felt like a real nail in the coffin for Pakistan. They put batted us and our bowled us with quality seam bowling. It was when we got confirmation of rock bottom at test level.

 

[nish_mate]

I was happy for them. They did well but it felt like a real nail in the coffin for Pakistan. They put batted us and our bowled us with quality seam bowling. It was when we got confirmation of rock bottom at test level.

S***t happens time to time, wouldn't say it was rock bottom, but the kick that PCB and PCT needed...

Though shame your lot lost to that ragged bunch

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan suffered their two heaviest T20I defeats by balls remaining (60 and 59 balls remaining) and their biggest loss by runs (115 runs - 4th T20I) in this NZ series.

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RizBar and Misbah were the masterminds of the defeats in this series. Hope you are not going to blame the kachra that was selected.

 

[deltexas]

Pakistan suffered their two heaviest T20I defeats by balls remaining (60 and 59 balls remaining) and their biggest loss by runs (115 runs - 4th T20I) in this NZ series.

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Gives a new meaning to getting hammered by SENA nations !

 

[sweep_shot]

Bilateral T20s are not that important in my opinion. It is just to try out players.

ODI and Test are the most important formats. A team's quality is determined by those 2 formats.

 

[deltexas]

Bilateral T20s are not that important in my opinion. It is just to try out players.

ODI and Test are the most important formats. A team's quality is determined by those 2 formats.

They are important only when Ind loses one. Then it becomes - the worlds richest BCCI, best IPl players, etc etc cant win a bilateral series , so poor !

ODIs are a dying format. Even tests are dying except in Ind Eng Aus. Thats the reality. The other reality is Ban will be poor as always even going forward and will be the weakest cricket nation in Asia with even Nepal and Afg overtaking them.

 

[mominsaigol]

Pakistan suffered their two heaviest T20I defeats by balls remaining (60 and 59 balls remaining) and their biggest loss by runs (115 runs - 4th T20I) in this NZ series.

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That's honestly brutal. Extremely brutal, tough love for pakistan cricket. You night have been right about hasan nawaz as well.

It's why I made a test cricket thread recently

 

[mominsaigol]

They are important only when Ind loses one. Then it becomes - the worlds richest BCCI, best IPl players, etc etc cant win a bilateral series , so poor !

ODIs are a dying format. Even tests are dying except in Ind Eng Aus. Thats the reality. The other reality is Ban will be poor as always even going forward and will be the weakest cricket nation in Asia with even Nepal and Afg overtaking them.

Test isn't dying. That's a myth.

Wtc was created to prevent it and force boards to play. Icc gives the boards plenty of yearly money to run test cricket.

The only issue was who would fund the icc but bcci has got that covered via ipl, however the only downside is that obviously bcci now can influence icc decisons.

However test cricket isn't dying. Advertisers prefer it as well as they can run ads all day. Aus literally scheduled a 3 match series with wi before England ashes.

Odi is dying as advertisers aren't interested in running ads for only 8 hrs and people don't wish to play odi cricket any more outside of tournaments. And currently the top 3, Aus, India and Eng aren't interested in the format

 

[deltexas]

Test isn't dying. That's a myth.

Wtc was created to prevent it and force boards to play. Icc gives the boards plenty of yearly money to run test cricket.

The only issue was who would fund the icc but bcci has got that covered via ipl, however the only downside is that obviously bcci now can influence icc decisons.

However test cricket isn't dying. Advertisers prefer it as well as they can run ads all day. Aus literally scheduled a 3 match series with wi before England ashes.

Odi is dying as advertisers aren't interested in running ads for only 8 hrs and people don't wish to play odi cricket any more outside of tournaments. And currently the top 3, Aus, India and Eng aren't interested in the format

I like test cricket but there are less tests being played now. SA with their SA20 and tests conflicts recently was an example. SA used to play so many 5 test series in the 90's, 2000s. But they dont play that many 5 test series, hardly if any. Also, the issue in SC with tests is the viewership experience. Horrible spectator experience. Nobody wants to waste their work time and experience subhuman viewership experiences. Watching tests in Aus and Eng is such a fantastic experience. Can take my whole family and they have other stuff to do as well. Ind is an exception because the BCCI doesnt care about the passionate stupid fans who tolerate such bad viewing experience and still watch tests but the numbers have come own drastically. Frankly BCCI exploits these fans for the the love of the game they have. The 2001 epic Ind-Aus Kolkata test with Dravid-Laxman p'ship was having 100k crowds . Good luck having that number anywhere near now. More so, as the pop has increased quite a bit in the past 20 yrs.

Again , I like tests but I understand the reality as well. The younger gen is totally tuned out of tests. And that means permanently lost viewership. Plus tests need to be exciting to sustain 5 days interest. Other than the big3 games mostly, other series are so boring and one sided. Now Ban-Pak series will have poor viewership but it will be "close" & thats a different issue LOL !

 

[jamie smith fan]

That's honestly brutal. Extremely brutal, tough love for pakistan cricket. You night have been right about hasan nawaz as well.

It's why I made a test cricket thread recently

Yeah I have been saying for months that only players with good technique and decent fc can become good T20I players.
I can't recall a single good T20I players who has a poor fc record.

Abd,Gayle,klassen,kp,warner,Saim,Tilak,Head, Kohli, Rohit,miller all have an average of 35+ in fc while our hacks average 22 and 12.

 

[mominsaigol]

I like test cricket but there are less tests being played now. SA with their SA20 and tests conflicts recently was an example. SA used to play so many 5 test series in the 90's, 2000s. But they dont play that many 5 test series, hardly if any. Also, the issue in SC with tests is the viewership experience. Horrible spectator experience. Nobody wants to waste their work time and experience subhuman viewership experiences. Watching tests in Aus and Eng is such a fantastic experience. Can take my whole family and they have other stuff to do as well. Ind is an exception because the BCCI doesnt care about the passionate stupid fans who tolerate such bad viewing experience and still watch tests but the numbers have come own drastically. Frankly BCCI exploits these fans for the the love of the game they have. The 2001 epic Ind-Aus Kolkata test with Dravid-Laxman p'ship was having 100k crowds . Good luck having that number anywhere near now. More so, as the pop has increased quite a bit in the past 20 yrs.

Again , I like tests but I understand the reality as well. The younger gen is totally tuned out of tests. And that means permanently lost viewership. Plus tests need to be exciting to sustain 5 days interest. Other than the big3 games mostly, other series are so boring and one sided. Now Ban-Pak series will have poor viewership but it will be "close" & thats a different issue LOL !

Ground viewership is another matter.

Test cricket is lucrative for advertisers because unlike t20 cricket where advertising agencies and companies have to strategically post targeted ads to gain interest,

You can post any ad throughout the whole day and gain some traction hence money will be gained via tv viewership.

Secondly wtc + icc paying the boards per year guarantees test cricket will continue.

Money isn't an issue, odi cricket is a dying breed but test cricket is fine.

Their only not profitable in terms of in person viewership but tv advertisers + icc yearly payments are sufficient enough to generate interest.

As for pak, Bangladesh being a close series, Pakistan and Bangladesh sucking at test cricket is another matter lol.

Anyway as I said, this thread isn't about financial viability. When it pertains to this thread

Pakistan played more test games then Australia did in 2024-2025 period before CT, They were only behind Eng and India.

Pakistan played 3 tests vs Aus, 2 vs Bangladesh, 3 vs England, 2 vs WI and 2 vs SA. That's 12 tests played compared to aus that played 5 vs India, 3 vs Pakistan and 2 vs Sri lanka.

Although this year Australia plays more test games then any nation. 2 vs Sri lanka, 1 wtc final, 3 vs Wi and 5 vs England.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Genuinely feel that posters must come here and accept defeat to Major bhai. Debating is fine but one must be brave enough to admit defeat. Ironically it was i who supported him here despite the fact that he been mad at me in Time pass forums.

 

[Farabi]

Pakistan suffered their two heaviest T20I defeats by balls remaining (60 and 59 balls remaining) and their biggest loss by runs (115 runs - 4th T20I) in this NZ series.

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It doesn’t matter how many posts or threads you make blaming the youngsters—it won’t erase the repeated humiliation over the years leading up to this series, with players who simply aren’t suited for this format.

But those of us who believe in Pakistani talent will keep backing the right white-ball players—ones who play selflessly and adapt to what the game and the fans demand.

The results will come.

 

[Farabi]

Genuinely feel that posters must come here and accept defeat to Major bhai. Debating is fine but one must be brave enough to admit defeat. Ironically it was i who supported him here despite the fact that he been mad at me in Time pass forums.

This mindset is exactly why Pakistan has struggled. “Pakistan mai talent nai hai” is extremely short sighted and negative.

Pakistan has the talent in white ball cricket, what it lacks is courage and self belief.

Players like Finn Allen, Tim Seifert, and Mark Chapman weren’t instant successes—they failed early on but developed over the years. Seifert is 32 and has been dropped before, far from being an instant success.

The negativity from @Major only undermines the potential of our young cricketers. Throwing them under the bus is not the way forward.

If Rizwan and Babar were the solution, life would have been great by now and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We need to drop the urge to cling to what we know and must experiment!

 

[Farabi]

Agreed, what a random 5 T20 series out of nowhere.

Yup! We have an obsessive fan base with agendas that take bilateral t20 like life and death, instead of using it to experiment and develop next set of talent.