Smith has been off-color for far too long as well. Root is the only one who has evolved as a batter.
And now Stumps has been taken officially
How did they lose to Pakistan? Lol.
we should win in lanka but yea will be tough. maybe 1 0 in a 2 test series. might be able to draw as we are in transition
Kane is above Misbah lol
Kane Williamson is superior to Misbah from all angles.
On what basis is Kane = Misbah?
Misbah smashed Johnson Starc and co to smithereens in UAE enroute to the fastest test century ever. Something Williamson could only dream of. Nobody is saying that Misbah is better than Williamson. But at his peak Misbah was an awesome test batter who was a treat to watch. He averages 51 as captain, more than he does when he didn't have the captaincy. And unlike Williamson who is the king of soft runs, Misbah has played some big innings in important matches. Whether its his century at Lords, putting Australia to the sword in UAE or his unbeaten 50 in the Maghrib chase
That pitch was an absolute road at home den. Uae pitches supported spin during that era and were curated accordingly not pace. Misbah was very average overseas.
i think you confused me for someone else. i dont rate koli at all in tests. he is number 3 and yes above kane. thats about it.
in tests ? ah ok lol. i mean that sort of calibre. pujara vs kane despite what stats suggests is a decent comparison too.
Williamson's averages 33 in India, 30 in England, 21 in South Africa and 29 in Sri Lanka. So yeah, I would say that he is the king of soft runs. Misbah wasn't nearly as naturally gifted as Williamson but still achieved more than people ever expected him to when he became captain at 36. It was a flat pitch? How many flat pitches have there been in test cricket over the years? And how many times has a batter used that flat pitch to put Australia to the sword and score the fastest ever test century? And if it was such a flat pitch why couldn't Australia score more than 260 in even one of the innings? There is no comparison. One guy became a regular member of the team at 36 and still achieved more than anyone ever expected him to. The other is one of the most naturally gifted and highly touted batters of his generation but so far has only managed to score soft runs against weak sides and be a home track bully.
I understand the criticism with kane. He's a massively overrated batter who has been marketed as the best thing NZ has ever produced when in reality he doesn't even have one bit of talent that a young and raw rachin ravindra does, let alone guptil and mcullum who at peak are a 100x superior.
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Loony toon logic, Very typical of people to use this excuse to justify their favourites.
I could say the same about you trying to downplay Misbah's achievements, when the numbers are right there for everyone to see. I never said Misbah was the second coming of Bradman. And yeah, as a test batter he was one of my favourites during that time. Also, I actually saw him bat unlike you who clearly hasn't seen nearly as much cricket in the last decade as he claims to. You are the one who made the comparison to Williamson not me. I merely pointed out what a completely overrated and underachieving batter Williamson is who hasn't achieved one tenth of what he was capable of. I used to be a big Williamson fan but its time to admit that he is just the king of soft runs and not in the same league as Root, Smith, Kohli.
I didn't put him in the same league as root Smith, Kohli.
Good thing I never gave a damn what someone who thinks players should be selected in tests for List A performances, thinks about me. It's ironic you accuse me of bias when your own bias about Misbah is sticking out like a sore thumb. What is your issue anyway? If I like Misbah, I like him. What's it to you? I don't recall mentioning you in any comment before you started this diatribe about Misbah on a thread about NZ's tour of Sri Lanka.
Translation: Misbah goat + overachiever, Williamson bad + underachiever + I love misbah + you weren't born in 2014 wah wah.
I don't ever recall saying that Misbah was the goat. Just that he was a batter I really enjoyed watching bat. I think your delusion is having an effect on your ability to read. You are the one who made the comparison to Williamson because I guess Williamson is one batter who was playing after you started watching cricket.Translation: Misbah goat + overachiever, Williamson bad + underachiever + I love misbah + you weren't born in 2014 wah wah.
I live how you ignored sri lanka and other games that I talked about or his record and batting performance in test overseas
I don't ever recall saying that Misbah was the goat. Just that he was a batter I really enjoyed watching bat. I think your delusion is having an effect on your ability to read. You are the one who made the comparison to Williamson because I guess Williamson is one batter who was playing after you started watching cricket.
Misbah averages 51 as captain, 40 in England, 116 in India, 64 in West Indies, he averaged 115 in the series in New Zealand that Pakistan won and he was the leading run scorer in. Not bad for someone who started playing regularly after 36 and struggled against pace. He has a poor record in Australia, South Africa and Sri Lanka. But remind me again, how many Pak batters actually have a good record in Australia and South Africa? While you're at it remind, me again, how much the king of soft runs averages in India, England, South Africa, Sri Lanka?
Before I respond I wanna ask, Why are you constantly bringing up the 36 age thing? I dont see how that's a compliment or an impressive stat? The fact that he had a career start at 36 despite playing since the 2000's because he simply was not good enough to get into the test or odi team at that time. How is this a compliment?
You continue to expose yourself with your ignorance in each reply. If I were you I would just quit now instead of exposing myself any further. So you don't have an issue bringing up the 3 tests he played in South Africa where he averaged 22. Those figures are not meaningless. But his performances in India, where he helped save a test match and which is generally considered as one of the toughest places in the world to bat; are meaningless? Like how ignorant could you possibly even be while making this statement? If we are going by your justification that a 1 test match series is not enough to judge anyone, then surely we can also say that he could have scored more runs in South Africa if he played more tests there, right? Just going by your justification here.
Great. Another player you never saw, that you are going to reference now.
Simple question, are Misbah's numbers in South Africa meaningless?
Save this complicated speech.
I'll answer but before I do, I wanna sarcastically say that in your eyes I was born after 2014 or heck after 2016 considering for you I've never watched Misbah play.
I am simply quoting actual numbers. Misbah has an outsanding record in India.
Repeat after me, T20s and ODIs are not the same as Tests. They are different formats. Say it until you understand what it actually means.
I'm talking about how India is currently giving Bangladesh the treatment, quoting other formats was to showcase more examples of said pitch.
No I think you were born in 2023. Because based on your understanding of the game that's what I get. I am not going to bother arguing this topic with you anymore considering you have exposed yourself by saying that playing 3 tests in a country is not enough to judge anyone (what a dumb thing to say). Especially considering that teams like Pakistan have rarely played more than 3 match series against any country in this millennium. Again, you would know this if you weren't born yesterday. Everything you say about Misbah like quoting very specific things such as "he always hid himself"...he did not; tells me that you rarely saw him play, if ever...and are merely going by what was the prevailing sentiment of the time among casual fans, who judged Misbah based on his T20 and ODI performances. Misbah was always a highly proactive captain and you saying something so obviously incorrect tells me you probably need to stop passing opinions on things you have not seen.
Again, Quote the games and let's go step by step.
Actually let's start with Bradman India.
