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He mankaded Jos Buttler tonight.

Very bad from him.

Against the spirit of the game.

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Ravi Ashwin receives a torrent of criticism from cricketers after mankading Jos Buttler

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">As if Ashwin has just done that. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Pathetic?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Pathetic</a></p>— Ben Duckett (@BenDuckett1) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenDuckett1/status/1110229830958747650?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">That is terrible!!!!!!</p>— Sam Billings (@sambillings) <a href="https://twitter.com/sambillings/status/1110230011619926016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If <a href="https://twitter.com/josbuttler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@josbuttler</a> had been warned well that’s fine ... if he hasn’t and it’s the first time I think <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> is completely out of order ... watch how often this happens from now on !!!!!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1110230057660936192?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Very very poor wasn’t it</p>— Chris Lynn (@lynny50) <a href="https://twitter.com/lynny50/status/1110230136173953024?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">What an absolute disgrace! <a href="https://twitter.com/josbuttler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@josbuttler</a> spitting tacs and rightfully so!!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RRvsKXIP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RRvsKXIP</a></p>— Mitchell McClenaghan (@Mitch_Savage) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mitch_Savage/status/1110230162044387336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well the fair play award isn’t going to Mohali this year....</p>— Sam Billings (@sambillings) <a href="https://twitter.com/sambillings/status/1110230185935142917?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I can’t believe what I’m seeing!! <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IPL</a> Terrible example to set for young kids coming through. In time I think Ashwin will regret that.</p>— Eoin Morgan (@Eoin16) <a href="https://twitter.com/Eoin16/status/1110230239018393600?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He ain’t winning any spirit of cricket awards is old ashwin</p>— Dale Steyn (@DaleSteyn62) <a href="https://twitter.com/DaleSteyn62/status/1110230586306777089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hahahaahaha Ashwin u little Rippa Hahahaha 🤣🤣🤣 this is historic only way to get him out 🤷🏾*♂️ well I’ll take it hahahahaha Ashwin , Ppl need to know it’s the rules and until it’s change guys will do it , but Jos stealing as well getting a head start for a run 🤷🏾*♂️ <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2019</a></p>— Tino95 (@tinobest) <a href="https://twitter.com/tinobest/status/1110231318036660224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ashwin, that’s shocking behaviour! Very disappointed to see that.</p>— Jason Roy (@JasonRoy20) <a href="https://twitter.com/JasonRoy20/status/1110231434541838336?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Feel sad for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JosButtler?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JosButtler</a>. Hope this rule changes to give a compulsory warning first, before a bowler can go for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mankading?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mankading</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/VivoIPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#VivoIPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RRvKXIP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RRvKXIP</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SpiritOfTheGame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SpiritOfTheGame</a>!</p>— Pragyan Prayas Ojha (@pragyanojha) <a href="https://twitter.com/pragyanojha/status/1110231698631880704?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Opinions ??? <a href="https://t.co/9IXy0MqXRY">pic.twitter.com/9IXy0MqXRY</a></p>— Carlos Brathwaite (@TridentSportsX) <a href="https://twitter.com/TridentSportsX/status/1110231880014528515?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s within the laws of the game but Jos Butler should have been warned by Ashwin before that. Very Surprised ! Remember Ashwin doing the same in an international game where Sehwag withdrew the appeal.</p>— Mohammad Kaif (@MohammadKaif) <a href="https://twitter.com/MohammadKaif/status/1110232150878625798?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-conversation="none" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pathetic</p>— Usama Mir (@iamusamamir) <a href="https://twitter.com/iamusamamir/status/1110232355128508416?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Looking forward to the press conference with Hess, a coach who built his reign with NZ on playing cricket in the right spirit...</p>— Mitchell McClenaghan (@Mitch_Savage) <a href="https://twitter.com/Mitch_Savage/status/1110232453271052288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No No No Ashwin,that’s just not in the spirit of the game🙈<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KKRvRR?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KKRvRR</a></p>— Cameron Delport (@Cam12Delport) <a href="https://twitter.com/Cam12Delport/status/1110232681789485056?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wonder if teams in the World Cup gonna be thinking this is a way to dismiss <a href="https://twitter.com/josbuttler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@josbuttler</a> 🤣🤣</p>— Tino95 (@tinobest) <a href="https://twitter.com/tinobest/status/1110232682774953984?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hope kingsXI finish rock bottom in the IPL this year. No fair play or spirit of cricket there. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/disgrace?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#disgrace</a></p>— Riki Wessels (@RikiWessels) <a href="https://twitter.com/RikiWessels/status/1110233332992888832?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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It's within laws of the game.

Not that I care about IPL or Ashwin.

They should check his action tho, I must say!
 
Ashwin did this to Lahiru Thiramane.

Sehwag opposed it as captain and brought the batsman back.
 
That was disgraceful.

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Via ICC :
A bowler can only "mankade" a batsmen if he/she has strayed outside his/her crease after he/she has started his/her run up, but before he/her has entered his/her delivery stride.
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his/her :))
 
In most cases, I defend Mankading. I especially defend mankading after a warning has been issued.

In this case, Ashwin was setting him up. This is a dangerous precedent. Spinners will come in and go through with their actions without delivering the ball, instead they will run the batsman out.

In most situations like this the umpire signals deadball.

If the ICC says that bowlers can now set up batsmen and then mankad them then fair enough but there needs to be absolutely clarity on that.

If the ICC says no you may not pull out of your bowling action as Ashwin did there then that should also be made clear.
 
It’s within the Laws.

Ashwin had better stay in his crease in future! Live by the sword, die by the sword.
 
Sherlock said:
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I would argue that Ashwin was well into his delivery stride considering his foot lands as if to bowl. If the ICC allows this, then you'll see more and more cases of mankading especially in close games. As a bowler, I will just not deliver after going through the motion.
 
Wow!

Ashwin is the most hated person in cricket today.
 
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This has happened to Butler before as well against Sri Lanka in an ODI I believe.
 
Buttler again ? Did he not learn his lesson after Senanyake in 2014 ?
 
RickyG said:
I would argue that Ashwin was well into his delivery stride considering his foot lands as if to bowl. If the ICC allows this, then you'll see more and more cases of mankading especially in close games. As a bowler, I will just not deliver after going through the motion.
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Yeah, that's what I figured too. He was well into his action and the 3rd Umpire messed up the decision.
 
Ashwin reminds me of Indian cricketers from the 90s, home track bullies with poor sportsmanship.
 
I am all for stopping the whole warning nonsense, but that shouldn't be out. He doesn't leave the crease before ashwin completes the action ashwin cheated here, there should be a fine and clear warning for this.
 
Butler was inside the line when ashwin entered the delivery stride. Wrong call by umpire. This was a dead ball.
 
It should of been given not out, Ashwin waits for Butler to come out of his crease and wasn't in the motion of delivering the ball. This was Blatant cheating, Butler was backing up fine, if this isn't shot down as illegal by the ICC then it starts a dangerous precedent.
 
Should have been not out given Buttler was not going to be out of the crease by the time Ashwin would have bowled. Wrong decision and poor form from Ashwin.
 
Lol nothing creates a bigger controversy in cricket these days than mankading.
 
He’s a snake for this.

He’s hurting the integrity and professionalism of a league made to nurture genuine talent, not this type of cheap behavior.
 
It was a dead ball but either way just awful sportsmanship by Ashwin and a sore loser. KXIP were getting spanked and he had to resort to kindergarden tactics. Even then, it should've been a dead ball. Rubbish umpiring but jheez Ashwin you're a mug
 
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What Ashwin has done is not only unfair because Butler was clearly aiming to leave his ground at the time the ball was going to be delivered but according to the laws of MCC it is also illegal. FireShot Capture 052 - D2hfE8UVYAASGci.png_large (601×242) - pbs.twimg.com.png
 
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This is totally against the rules. I have no idea why one of the commentators is defending Ashwin! He already entered his delivery stride and then STOPPED midway in his action to knock off the bails. The runner is allowed that head start once the bowler has already entered his bowling stride. How did the 3rd umpire give this out? Poor from both Ashwin and the third umpire - shouldn't be allowed again.
 
KXI Punjab won in the end so all the haters out there wishing bad for my Punjab this is for you! Deal with it.

We were the better team tonight.
 
It's a very Indian tradition, seen this happening frequently in their club cricket
 
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This is totally against the rules. I have no idea why one of the commentators is defending Ashwin! He already entered his delivery stride and then STOPPED midway in his action to knock off the bails. The runner is allowed that head start once the bowler has already entered his bowling stride. How did the 3rd umpire give this out? Poor from both Ashwin and the third umpire - shouldn't be allowed again.
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In hindi commentary, everyone took Jos Butler's side.
 
It was cheap because Butler wasn't doing anything wrong such that he needed to be warned or anything. He was being extra careful with his bat behind the line even while he was walking forward, you don't expect a runner to keep looking at bowler's arm to see if he has delivered the ball or not.

Ashwin is a delusional character like Umar Akmal. Since Ashwin is educated and speaks good English so he gets away with all the nonsense he keeps talking esp ever since he has been dropped from limited overs team. It's quite hilarous how often he describes his past performance using words like 'extraordinary'.
 
Nothing wrong with Ashwin's tactics and this is not the first time this Butler lad doing this! Poor RR fell like a pack of cards after Butler's dismissal! And no, it's not the Butler's wicket that lost the game for them, it's their pathetic middle order and lower order batsmen who couldn't buy a run against the KXI.
 
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To those saying it is within the laws, you're wrong.

The batsmen can leave the crease after the bowler has started his delivery stride. In this case, Ashwin was in his delivery stride, stopped midway, waited for Buttler to start out and then ran him out. This was completely unfair on Buttler and pathetic by Ashwin.
 
This ISN'T permitted by law, the law has been misapplied. The change in wording ("would be expected to deliver the ball") explicitly excludes the situation where the bowler purposefully delays his delivery stride Think about it. Otherwise the word "expected" is redundant in that sentence.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Law 41.16 a batsmen at non strikers end should not leave his ground UNTIL the bowler has released the ball! <br><br>SO OUT! Lesson.. batsmen watch the bowlers release the ball! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/easy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#easy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectDugout?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectDugout</a></p>— Dean Jones (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1110234512825307136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Current law.
 
Buttler was not stealing ground AT ALL!

Poor umpiring in this case.

I've said it in the past and will say it again, Ashwin tries to be too clever for his own good. He thinks he's some sort of genius and often comes across as a wannabe. He has been rightfully slammed by so many fellow cricketers on twitter. What a disgrace!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Law 41.16 a batsmen at non strikers end should not leave his ground UNTIL the bowler has released the ball! <br><br>SO OUT! Lesson.. batsmen watch the bowlers release the ball! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/easy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#easy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectDugout?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectDugout</a></p>— Dean Jones (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1110234512825307136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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That settles it then. Not very honorable but not cheating.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Law 41.16 a batsmen at non strikers end should not leave his ground UNTIL the bowler has released the ball! <br><br>SO OUT! Lesson.. batsmen watch the bowlers release the ball! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/easy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#easy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectDugout?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectDugout</a></p>— Dean Jones (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1110234512825307136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Current law.
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Has the law been updated? Been reading multiple versions of it.

However, even if we go with this, you can clearly see Ashwin delaying his delivery stride solely to catch Buttler out. The non-striker cannot keep his eyes on the bowler till the ball is released! This was a cheap tactic from Ashwin no matter how you look at it.
 
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Buttler was not stealing ground AT ALL!

Poor umpiring in this case.

I've said it in the past and will say it again, Ashwin tries to be too clever for his own good. He thinks he's some sort of genius and often comes across as a wannabe. He has been rightfully slammed by so many fellow cricketers on twitter. What a disgrace!
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Well.

His team just won with this kind of attitude so ... :23:
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Law 41.16 a batsmen at non strikers end should not leave his ground UNTIL the bowler has released the ball! <br><br>SO OUT! Lesson.. batsmen watch the bowlers release the ball! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/easy?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#easy</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/SelectDugout?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#SelectDugout</a></p>— Dean Jones (@ProfDeano) <a href="https://twitter.com/ProfDeano/status/1110234512825307136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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leatherface58 said:
That settles it then. Not very honorable but not cheating.
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Has the law been updated? Been reading multiple versions of it.

However, even if we go with this, you can clearly see Ashwin delaying his delivery stride solely to catch Buttler out. The non-striker cannot keep his eyes on the bowler till the ball is released! This was a cheap tactic from Ashwin no matter how you look at it.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Utter nonsense from you jones! <br><br>Law 41.16: (playing condition interpretation) OFFICIAL!<br>If the non striker is out of his ground from the moment the ball comes into play, when the bowler would NORMALLY had been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to run him out</p>— Scott Styris (@scottbstyris) <a href="https://twitter.com/scottbstyris/status/1110240972300931072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Jones is wrong for the exact reason Styris gives. Jones has completely ignored the word "expected" in the new law. The drafters of the law explicitly excluded the interpretation Jones is offering. What Ashwin did is not permitted by law. Umpire error.
 
Snowflake said:
Has the law been updated? Been reading multiple versions of it.

However, even if we go with this, you can clearly see Ashwin delaying his delivery stride solely to catch Buttler out. The non-striker cannot keep his eyes on the bowler till the ball is released! This was a cheap tactic from Ashwin no matter how you look at it.
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If it's done again and again by bowlers. Cheap or not. Sennayanake also did this to Butler, if bowlers are doing again and again then why make a habit of leaving ground early. Every small margin matters in some games. that extra millimeter can save batsman when he is at opossite end. I like this rule to give balance strength for fielding side. I have seen keeper waiting for batsman to lose balance and disloges the bails. It's similar to this.
 
Ashwin put his teammates in a very uncomfortable position as well.
 
Dog act really.

I normally don't mind Mankads if the batsman is stealing ground but here he has started his delivery then stopped and waited for Buttler to leave his crease. I don't want to see that kind of bottom feeding tactics in cricket sorry.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Utter nonsense from you jones! <br><br>Law 41.16: (playing condition interpretation) OFFICIAL!<br>If the non striker is out of his ground from the moment the ball comes into play, when the bowler would NORMALLY had been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to run him out</p>— Scott Styris (@scottbstyris) <a href="https://twitter.com/scottbstyris/status/1110240972300931072?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Jones is wrong for the exact reason Styris gives. Jones has completely ignored the word "expected" in the new law. The drafters of the law explicitly excluded the interpretation Jones is offering. What Ashwin did is not permitted by law. Umpire error.
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Umpire had to compare his earlier deliveries that he actually waits a bit before releasing his ball. Don't watch This video in slow motion. One can argue that this was the expected time of delivery a moment where he is just about to release the ball. ash.JPG Butler was just outside and ball isn't delivered either. Despite ball not being delivered, Butler is out of the crease.
 
Ashwin at end of the game:

No really argument to that (Mankading incident) and it's pretty instinctive. I actually didn't load and he left the crease. That's always been my take on it because it's my half of the crease. I was not even at the crease, he wasn't even looking at me and he just left the place.
 
He's probably been waiting to do this since becoming captain. No one can veto him.

Not a fan of doing this unless you tell the batsman before and he doesn't listen. Then it's fair game and the batsman deserves it.
 
happydavy said:
It was cheap because Butler wasn't doing anything wrong such that he needed to be warned or anything. He was being extra careful with his bat behind the line even while he was walking forward, you don't expect a runner to keep looking at bowler's arm to see if he has delivered the ball or not.

Ashwin is a delusional character like Umar Akmal. Since Ashwin is educated and speaks good English so he gets away with all the nonsense he keeps talking esp ever since he has been dropped from limited overs team. It's quite hilarous how often he describes his past performance using words like 'extraordinary'.
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Ashwin also has some 350 test wickets @25odd. Umar Akmal isnt worth mentioning as a cricketer along side Ashwin.
 
I am hearing multiple interpretations of the law. If it was within the law then its fine.

There is nothing about compulsorily warning the batsman, in the law.
 
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Ashwin at end of the game:

No really argument to that (Mankading incident) and it's pretty instinctive. I actually didn't load and he left the crease. That's always been my take on it because it's my half of the crease. I was not even at the crease, he wasn't even looking at me and he just left the place.
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What a liar! He was in his delivery stride before aborting. Also, Buttler was not looking to steal ground or get an unfair advantage. Ashwin is a petty individual.
 
kingusama92 said:
He's probably been waiting to do this since becoming captain. No one can veto him.

Not a fan of doing this unless you tell the batsman before and he doesn't listen. Then it's fair game and the batsman deserves it.
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Does a batsman warn a bowler that he is about to come of the crease (where he is already standing outside of the crease) and he gets a momentum and yard to hit bowler for a six?
 
Enough with the name calling and attacking a player's character. He is still playing within rules. One side people are seeking for balance between ball and bat, and when rules are made to allow that, people complain. :facepalm:
 
If Buttler was actually trying to gain an advantage before the ball was delivered, that would be cheating, and be considered to be out. In this situation, Ashwin pulled out of his delivery stride to deceive Buttler, as per the laws of the game, this should've been declared a dead ball.
 
The Argument that he WAITED for the Buttler to leave the crease, so Ash is wrong. Lol, how else he suppose to Mankad a batsman if he didn't wait. What was Buttler doing then? People who understands that why this kind of rule is in place, will support Ashwin for this.
 
cricketworm said:
Does a batsman warn a bowler that he is about to come of the crease (where he is already standing outside of the crease) and he gets a momentum and yard to hit bowler for a six?
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Because bowler can see it himself whether batsman is jumping down the pitch or not.
Also bowler can bowl from behind the stumps as well.

In mankding batsman at non striker end has no chance if cunning bowlers like ashwin adapts to this kind stop-start bowling action techniques and start deliberately running out batsmen.
 
introvert said:
Because bowler can see it himself whether batsman is jumping down the pitch or not.
Also bowler can bowl from behind the stumps as well.

In mankding batsman at non striker end has no chance if cunning bowlers like ashwin adapts to this kind stop-start bowling action techniques and start deliberately running out batsmen.
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Lol it's very simple. Just watch the bowler, stay under the crease. Ball gets released. Leave your crease. Make this habit. Getting a fast paced 'walking movement' gives a clear advantage to runner.

And many batsmen switch their stance to destort bowler, batsmen can leave a crease right at the delivery, and bowler has no way to recover. Batsmen can do switch hit. Some batsmen leave the crease and then come back.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">No deliberate attempt to steal some ground from <a href="https://twitter.com/josbuttler?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@josbuttler</a> If <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> didn’t stop, turn then take the bails off he wouldn’t have left his crease!! Disgraceful decision!!! Fair play award certainly isn’t going to Mohali &#55357;&#56834;<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPLT20?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPLT20</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ipl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ipl</a></p>— Paul Collingwood (@Colly622) <a href="https://twitter.com/Colly622/status/1110235306249326593?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Ashwin was completely within his rights to dismiss butler there. Don’t understand how Spirit of Cricket can be questioned. How many times have u seen a batsman wait for Umpires decision when he knew he was out? <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RRvKXIP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RRvKXIP</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— R P Singh रुद्र प्रताप सिंह (@rpsingh) <a href="https://twitter.com/rpsingh/status/1110236882233946114?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Will teams now start monitoring players in opposing teams to see which ones back up out of the crease etc etc and use it as a tactic to get them out !!!?????? Surely the game hasn’t come to this ..... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1110237237768318980?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Buttler was still in his crease when Ashwin was in his delivery stride! He wasn’t trying to gain an advantage! He was literally walking in with the bowler... <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashwin?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashwin</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Buttler?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Buttler</a></p>— James Taylor (@jamestaylor20) <a href="https://twitter.com/jamestaylor20/status/1110237314373033985?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Am sorry Michael with all due respect does the wicket keeper ask the same question when u stump him by one millimeter or a million miles or when he loses his balance on the leg side.. Pls don't validate something which is wrong&#55357;&#56911; <a href="https://t.co/EUH3n8XdGA">https://t.co/EUH3n8XdGA</a></p>— Kartik Murali (@kartikmurali) <a href="https://twitter.com/kartikmurali/status/1110240665575677952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone has their view on the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashwin?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashwin</a> run out, there is the spirit of the game which is a line in the sand, and the actual rules on the other ,if I was a skipper or a bowler I will warn the non-striker once ☝&#55356;&#57339; <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/RRvKXIP?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#RRvKXIP</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2019</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BadriBytes?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BadriBytes</a></p>— subramani badrinath (@s_badrinath) <a href="https://twitter.com/s_badrinath/status/1110241602835021824?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The Laws state it’s OUT ... Still doesn’t mean I like it at all ... just think it’s a bad look for the game ... I would prefer a 1 warning rule then after that it’s a free for all ... only my opinion so don’t abuse please ... or you can if you want .. I am not arsed <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/OnOn?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#OnOn</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1110244884907286528?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Surprising to see its only the English people crying foul.. MCC IS IN YOUR COUNTRY.. Go change it.. Batsman warned or not warned David are not supposed to leave the crease.. Don't vindicate STEALING as that's what it is plain and simple.. Keep crying till the cows come home <a href="https://t.co/OD6u7WRiYZ">https://t.co/OD6u7WRiYZ</a></p>— Kartik Murali (@kartikmurali) <a href="https://twitter.com/kartikmurali/status/1110246617481797632?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oh dear Ashwin.....millions of people watching that!...Incredibly bad cricket! &#55357;&#56883;</p>— Scott Borthwick (@Borthwick16) <a href="https://twitter.com/Borthwick16/status/1110247231788068865?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Shocking to see <br>Butler wasn’t gaining any advantage whatsoever? Premeditated out of desperation</p>— Darren Gough (@DGoughie) <a href="https://twitter.com/DGoughie/status/1110247971407515649?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Well <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ashwin?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ashwin</a>, I’m afraid you will regret that in the morning! Maybe he’s ‘right’ to appeal,because let’s be honest no body really knows the actual rule, but morally he’s messed up big time <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— Graham Onions (@BunnyOnions) <a href="https://twitter.com/BunnyOnions/status/1110249235088330754?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So disappointed in <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> as a Captain & as a person. All captains sign the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a> wall & agree to play in the spirit of the game. RA had no intention of delivering the ball - so it should have been called a dead ball. Over to u BCCI - this a not a good look for the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL</a></p>— Shane Warne (@ShaneWarne) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/1110256662760300547?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Just checked my feed & it seems some foolishness has happened in the <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2019?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2019</a> &#55357;&#56384; just seen it & that is shocking from <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Ashwin?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Ashwin</a> anyone defending that in my eyes is wrong &#55357;&#56398;&#55356;&#57343; Buttler was not looking to take advantage...Cue kids at my school doing that tomorrow now &#55357;&#56847;</p>— Alex Tudor (@alextudorcoach) <a href="https://twitter.com/alextudorcoach/status/1110258203495985153?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Harsha, if that had of been an international player you would have nailed him ! Please do not be bias & stick up for your own. Any player in the game that does that to anyone is an embarrassment to the game & as captain it’s even more disgraceful ! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/spiritofthegame?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#spiritofthegame</a> ! <a href="https://t.co/4PqLL1MzBT">https://t.co/4PqLL1MzBT</a></p>— Shane Warne (@ShaneWarne) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShaneWarne/status/1110262035605012481?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">ASHWIN you absolute PLONKER !!</p>— Chris Tremlett (@ChrisTremlett33) <a href="https://twitter.com/ChrisTremlett33/status/1110266579370102786?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Endless argument and Many will debate it, but ask any professional cricketer in the world if a “mankad” is acceptable.... 99% will say absolutely not.... the other 1% are bell ends!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ipl?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ipl</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/spiritofcricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#spiritofcricket</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/KXIPvRR?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#KXIPvRR</a></p>— Peter Trego (@tregs140) <a href="https://twitter.com/tregs140/status/1110277850240827392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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You would've thought Butler had learnt his lesson when it happened last time but no.
 
Lots of useless moral argument from 'gentlemen cricketers'. Not surprising in the least.
 
cricketworm said:
The Argument that he WAITED for the Buttler to leave the crease, so Ash is wrong. Lol, how else he suppose to Mankad a batsman if he didn't wait. What was Buttler doing then? People who understands that why this kind of rule is in place, will support Ashwin for this.
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You're kidding me, right? Your lot will go to any lengths to defend your own. Geez!
 
JattMaula said:
Lots of useless moral argument from 'gentlemen cricketers'. Not surprising in the least.
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Forget the moral argument! Ashwin pulled midway during the delivery stride. Buttler was IN THE CREASE when Ashwin stopped (screengrabe above). He had no intention to ball the ball. It was a wrong call!
 
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Forget the moral argument! Ashwin pulled midway during the delivery stride. Buttler was IN THE CREASE when Ashwin stopped (screengrabe above). He had no intention to ball the ball. It was a wrong call!
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Yes it was. I just don't like the way its being argued. Spirit of cricket is a mythical beast that everyone describes differently.

They should only argue the rule and its interpretation.
 
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Forget the moral argument! Ashwin pulled midway during the delivery stride. Buttler was IN THE CREASE when Ashwin stopped (screengrabe above). He had no intention to ball the ball. It was a wrong call!
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Looks like you need some burnol for the burn Ashwin caused! It's a Legal dismissal and it's decided by the Official Umpires and that's where the story ends!
 
Snowflake said:
Forget the moral argument! Ashwin pulled midway during the delivery stride. Buttler was IN THE CREASE when Ashwin stopped (screengrabe above). He had no intention to ball the ball. It was a wrong call!
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How do you Mankad a batsman if you have full intention to bowl?
 
Well done Ashwin. Nothing better than seeing these self-righteous western cricketers moan when something doesn't go their way.
 
Wish it was done more often as it is legal so people should get over it.
 
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