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[PICTURE] Ravi Ashwin mankads Jos Buttler without a warning

I say we should look at all cricket rules and make them compatible with the 'spirit of the game'.

If batter was not deliberately blocking the ball heading to stumps with legs he shouldn't be LBW.

Batter should not be out if he hasnt intentionally knocked off the bails when batting.

Lastly, to make it 'sportsmanlike', batsman shouldn't be caught out the shot he mistimes/edges when defending a ball. As his intention is clearly to protect the stumps and not to score.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">its true legend...spirit & integrity of game should not be demaged so very disrespectful act <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> you should learn how to respect your game examples are infront of you like The great <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a> s.gavasker <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@msdhoni</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SGanguly99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SGanguly99</a> <a href="https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo">https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo</a></p>— Kamran Akmal (@KamiAkmal23) <a href="https://twitter.com/KamiAkmal23/status/1110447939393122304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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No problem with Mankading.

It's within the rules.

However, here, it wasn't a mankad. As Ashwin started his delivery stride and landed after the jump, Butler's bat was STILL within the crease.

Purpose of a mankad is to deny unfair advantage to the batsman when he's trying to get way out of the crease before the bowler has bowled.

Butler did no such thing.

Ashwin after completing his jump broke the action and waited for Butler to get out of the crease.

This is a disgrace.

Not mankad.
 
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Also,

This incident has proven how popular this league is throughout the cricketing world.

I doubt any other cricketing incident has generated this much hype and frenzy in recent times.

Except last year's ball tampering by Smith and co.

This is truly mind-blowing.
 
You've got pretty incredible eyesight to be able to tell for certain from that frame whether his bats on the line or behind, particularly given the angle.
Click the link. Pretty obvious nothing's behind the crease at the point of delivery.
 
Purpose of a mankad is to deny unfair advantage to the batsman when he's trying to get way out of the crease before the bowler has bowled
So if a batsman didn't mean to play too far forward but his back foot ends up an inch outside the crease or the keeper waits until his foot is slightly in the air to stump him, is that a disgrace too?

Not sure why people have an issue with "Mankading" being a legitimate way to dismiss a batsman just like any other mode of dismissal that is down to the batsman's carelessness. It's Cricket 101. Keep your bat in the crease.
 
Click the link. Pretty obvious nothing's behind the crease at the point of delivery.

It's far from pretty obvious. It's impossible to judge either way from that frame, especially given the angle. A side on view would help but I imagine it would be tough to line up the clips.
 
I say we should look at all cricket rules and make them compatible with the 'spirit of the game'.

If batter was not deliberately blocking the ball heading to stumps with legs he shouldn't be LBW.

Batter should not be out if he hasnt intentionally knocked off the bails when batting.

Lastly, to make it 'sportsmanlike', batsman shouldn't be caught out the shot he mistimes/edges when defending a ball. As his intention is clearly to protect the stumps and not to score.

All of the examples you quoted require skills of the bowler to beat the batsman. Mankading does not
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Something for you all to read and consider..! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ashwin?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ashwin</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/mankad?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#mankad</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/laws?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#laws</a> <a href="https://t.co/vnKsCF89nO">pic.twitter.com/vnKsCF89nO</a></p>— Simon Doull (@Sdoull) <a href="https://twitter.com/Sdoull/status/1110371153564962817?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">its true legend...spirit & integrity of game should not be demaged so very disrespectful act <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> you should learn how to respect your game examples are infront of you like The great <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a> s.gavasker <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@msdhoni</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SGanguly99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SGanguly99</a> <a href="https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo">https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo</a></p>— Kamran Akmal (@KamiAkmal23) <a href="https://twitter.com/KamiAkmal23/status/1110447939393122304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Huh? What is this gibberish? Anyway, I don't think Pak players should comment on IPL game incidents since they're banned in the first place. Have some self-respect yourself dude. :kakmal
 
No problem with Mankading.

It's within the rules.

However, here, it wasn't a mankad. As Ashwin started his delivery stride and landed after the jump, Butler's bat was STILL within the crease.

Purpose of a mankad is to deny unfair advantage to the batsman when he's trying to get way out of the crease before the bowler has bowled.

Butler did no such thing.

Ashwin after completing his jump broke the action and waited for Butler to get out of the crease.

This is a disgrace.

Not mankad.

Buttler was lucky he was inside the crease for that delivery so he got all the sympathy. He wasn't for the previous delivery.

Check the images I posted in the previous page.

Also Buttler was dismissed by Senanayake the same way years back. He is a habitual offender.

I think cricketing experts got it wrong this time imho. If rules say Buttler was out, he should be given out. If he wasn't, then third umpire should have given it not-out.

Also there is ambiguity on how the rule is to be interpreted.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">its true legend...spirit & integrity of game should not be demaged so very disrespectful act <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> you should learn how to respect your game examples are infront of you like The great <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a> s.gavasker <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@msdhoni</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SGanguly99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SGanguly99</a> <a href="https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo">https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo</a></p>— Kamran Akmal (@KamiAkmal23) <a href="https://twitter.com/KamiAkmal23/status/1110447939393122304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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If Ashwin was a politician, this move of his would have be called a masterstroke.

Created a contrversy from nowhere and now even Kami bhai has got into the condemning bandwagon. :))
 
The Law - 41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early



https://www.lords.org/mcc/laws/unfair-play

Buttler is actually seen BREAKING the law in the first pic of the embedded tweet. Luckily for him, he didn't break the law on the speficic deliver when his dismissal was effected unless the rule has changed (some sources quote it) where one has to stay inside the crease TILL the ball is released

So Buttler will keep stealing inches but bowlers have to show restraint because ONLY they have to uphold spirit of cricket?

If a bowler ever so much has the guts to call out this nonsense by effecting a run out, it's against spirit of cricket?

But captains who reverse these decisions by ALLOWING these batsmen to get away with this nonsense are angels? lol.

It's not like Buttler HAD never done this before. It's a habit for him. Luckily for him, he stayed on a touch more the dismissal yesterday so he has a wave of sympathy directed towards him.

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I can see why Buttler would be annoyed and I can understand the pain. But at the end of the day, he tried to steal inches and you can see it from his history.

If this is in the rules, it's out. If it's not, then umpires should be questioned for taking the call.

Ashwin can be a jerk (and delusional at times) but I don't see how he can be blamed here.

Good on him to AGAIN show up the hypocrisy of cricketing rules.

Now this rule will be crystallized so we don't have hear lectures from guys like Shane Warne who has a mile long rap sheet of bad behavior. :))

Damn the tweets and images were removed. :(

If my tweet is getting removed, atleast delete the whole post which refers to the tweet.
 
No problem with Mankading.

It's within the rules.

However, here, it wasn't a mankad. As Ashwin started his delivery stride and landed after the jump, Butler's bat was STILL within the crease.

Purpose of a mankad is to deny unfair advantage to the batsman when he's trying to get way out of the crease before the bowler has bowled.

Butler did no such thing.

Ashwin after completing his jump broke the action and waited for Butler to get out of the crease.

This is a disgrace.

Not mankad.

Buttler was lucky he was inside the crease for that delivery so he got all the sympathy. He wasn't for the previous delivery.

Check the images I posted in the previous page.

Also Buttler was dismissed by Senanayake the same way years back. He is a habitual offender.

I think cricketing experts got it wrong this time imho. If rules say Buttler was out, he should be given out. If he wasn't, then third umpire should have given it not-out.

Also there is ambiguity on how the rule is to be interpreted.

Here are the images (my prev tweets were removed cos they were from unverified profiles).

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Same game. Same bowler.
 
ah no, you cant use another delivery to justify your point.

Watch the actual mankad delivery, butler would had been behind the line had the ball been bowled

No you can't justify it.

But you can't blame the bowler either.

Blame the umpires. Or the system.

But what is the world doing?

It's blaming the bowler for doing his job.

It's blaming him for NOT allowing the batsmen to cheat a few inches.

Why?

Because that won't conform to the "spirit of the game".

That's the problem, my friend.
 
Not many Pakistani players seem to have tweeted on this. Bit surprised. It seems like eh relationships have gone rather sour or maybe due to recent tussle between two nations players feel under pressure from home fans? [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]
 
Not many Pakistani players seem to have tweeted on this. Bit surprised. It seems like eh relationships have gone rather sour or maybe due to recent tussle between two nations players feel under pressure from home fans? [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Not surprising, why should they comment on a tournament they're blocked out of.
 
No you can't justify it.

But you can't blame the bowler either.

Blame the umpires. Or the system.

But what is the world doing?

It's blaming the bowler for doing his job.

It's blaming him for NOT allowing the batsmen to cheat a few inches.

Why?

Because that won't conform to the "spirit of the game".

That's the problem, my friend.

bro, i never said what he did was wrong. Its well within the laws and i dont give two hoots about cricket ethics.

But in this case, it was not out, as he stopped at a time when the batsmen was in the crease and would had still been in the crease had the ball been bowled.
 
ah no, you cant use another delivery to justify your point.
Why not? Assuming bowler's action and speed of delivery remains the same.

Butler was a yard outside the crease before Ashwin even turned around to break the stumps. No way was he behind the line at the point of delivery.
 
bro, i never said what he did was wrong. Its well within the laws and i dont give two hoots about cricket ethics.

But in this case, it was not out, as he stopped at a time when the batsmen was in the crease and would had still been in the crease had the ball been bowled.

Yeah I agree.
 
A precedent has been set. If I was a bowler I wouldn't even bother trying to bowl anymore when there is less risk in just trying to mankad off every ball and not concede a run at the same time..... A cat and mouse game of predicting will the bowler ball or attempt a mankad begins. Might not be fun for the spectators but it maximises the chances of winning and that's all that matters, right?
 
It's impossible to judge either way from that frame, especially given the angle.
It's impossible not to. You need some part of the bat behind the line. Even from that angle, you can clearly see the crease line without the bat hiding it, meaning it wasn't behind the crease at the point of delivery.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">its true legend...spirit & integrity of game should not be demaged so very disrespectful act <a href="https://twitter.com/ashwinravi99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@ashwinravi99</a> you should learn how to respect your game examples are infront of you like The great <a href="https://twitter.com/sachin_rt?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@sachin_rt</a> s.gavasker <a href="https://twitter.com/msdhoni?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@msdhoni</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SGanguly99?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@SGanguly99</a> <a href="https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo">https://t.co/MgDerMl0Vo</a></p>— Kamran Akmal (@KamiAkmal23) <a href="https://twitter.com/KamiAkmal23/status/1110447939393122304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Kami don has spoken. Step aside world, the expert on respecting the game is here. Dont mess with the Don otherwise he will DROP you from the 10th floor.
 
The problem here being Buttler isn't trying to steal a run. He'd probably have been in his crease when Ashwin released the ball if he just went through with it.

Am not talking about this incident alone, am talking about each and every time a bowler gets a batsmen out, fans/players seems to take a offense to it. Also, buttler was actively doing it and Ashwin finally ran him out. Not sure if you did watch the match. Buttler also has a nag of doing this aswell. Remember the Senanayaka episode with buttler?
 
Pathetic behavior by Ashwin. This is no way to cut short yet another marvelous innings by one of the most talented batsmen in the modern era.

I don’t want to hear the “rules are rules” rubbish that are applied selectively and conveniently. Mankading has no place in cricket and is a coward’s weapon.

Ashwin deserves to be criticized for it but I do agree that there is no need of making vile comments on his family pictures on social media.

The only good that has come out of this is that I don’t see any bowler pulling it off for a while. Ashwin has received a lot of bad press and other bowlers would not dare to face the same humiliation.

I am disgusted by the apologists defending his behavior.
 
Buttler was lucky he was inside the crease for that delivery so he got all the sympathy. He wasn't for the previous delivery.

Check the images I posted in the previous page.

Also Buttler was dismissed by Senanayake the same way years back. He is a habitual offender.

I think cricketing experts got it wrong this time imho. If rules say Buttler was out, he should be given out. If he wasn't, then third umpire should have given it not-out.


Yes, the point is about that delivery, where he was inside the crease.

You're saying he wasn't on the other balls. So he should've been warned about it. Or even dismissed.

If Butler was really well outside the crease and abusing his position, Ashwin would've had a lot of support.

In this case he doesn't because on that particular delivery he premeditated to get Butler out .

Also look at the bigger picture and the precedent this premeditation sets. What if this cat and mouse game is played on every ball . Bowlers will be trying to get batsmen out this way. It's not cricket.
 
I don’t want to hear the “rules are rules” rubbish that are applied selectively and conveniently. Mankading has no place in cricket and is a coward’s weapon.

So should the non-striker be allowed to stand a meter out of the crease?
 
MCC STATEMENT ON THE ‘MANKAD’ INCIDENT IN THE IPL MATCH BETWEEN KINGS XI PUNJAB AND RAJASTHAN ROYALS, IN WHICH R ASHWIN RAN OUT JOS BUTTLER.

In relation to the incident, the wording of the Law needs to be examined to understand it further. This Law is essential. Without it, non-strikers could back up at liberty, several yards down the pitch and a Law is needed to prevent such action.

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Law 41.16 Non-striker leaving his/her ground early

If the non-striker is out of his/her ground from the moment the ball comes into play to the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball, the bowler is permitted to attempt to run him/her out. Whether the attempt is successful or not, the ball shall not count as one in the over.

If the bowler fails in an attempt to run out the non-striker, the umpire shall call and signal Dead ball as soon as possible.

The crux of the issue is when the non-striker can safely leave his/her ground, and what the bowler can do to effect this form of dismissal without courting controversy. To clarify, it has never been in the Laws that a warning should be given to the non-striker and nor is it against the Spirit of Cricket to run out a non-striker who is seeking to gain an advantage by leaving his/her ground early.

Furthermore, with batsmen now being deemed in or out by millimetres by TV replays on quick singles, it is right that they should remain in their ground at the non-striker’s end until it is fair for them to leave.

Yesterday’s incident could have been ruled out or not out, depending on how “the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball” is interpreted. Some feel that Ashwin delayed his action to allow Buttler the chance to leave his ground and that Buttler was in his ground when he expected the ball to be released. If it was a deliberate delay, that would be unfair and against the Spirit of Cricket. Ashwin claims this not to be the case.

The TV umpire had to make a decision and, under the Law (and indeed ICC’s interpretation of them, which clarifies the expected moment of release as when the arm reaches its highest point), it was understandable how he opted to give Buttler out.

It is up to both teams to ensure that the game is played within both the Laws and the Spirit of Cricket. Non-strikers must be careful not to gain an unfair advantage by leaving their ground early, while bowlers must act within the timeframe outlined in the Law to effect a Run out under Law 41.16.

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Pathetic behavior by Ashwin. This is no way to cut short yet another marvelous innings by one of the most talented batsmen in the modern era.

Bolded part makes no difference. Butler is no different compared to other batsmen and doesn't deserve extra leeway for being talented or having special ability. You can't treat this dismissal differently just because the batsman involved was Butler and not Chahal or Chris Martin.

I don’t want to hear the “rules are rules” rubbish that are applied selectively and conveniently. Mankading has no place in cricket and is a coward’s weapon.

But you have to hear them because "rules are rules" and the third umpire found it fit to rule the non-striker out in this instance. In the eyes of the umpires no rule was violated during the course of the entire process starting from the beginning of the bowler's run up.

If rules are applied selectively that is ICC's problem, let them take the initiative and ensure it is applied consistently. Or let them scrap the rule, either way their call. The players on the field will use all tools available in the rulebook to ensure they have an advantage. This is professional sports at the highest level and not a hobby, no place for sentimentality. If you deem a player a coward for following the rules I guess you are on the wrong.

Body serves aimed at women are strictly frowned at in mixed doubles tennis matches but that doesn't stop some male players from employing the same during critical moments. Hitting smash at the body of the opponent is frowned at for being ungentlemanly, but what will a player do when the opponent cuts out the approach angle standing close to the net, either lob or target the body. And sometimes they choose the latter option, even bigwigs like Federer, Nadal, Djokovic have done the same many times in their career. All sports have the 'spirit of XYZ' element in some form but no athlete is obliged to abide by them.


The only good that has come out of this is that I don’t see any bowler pulling it off for a while. Ashwin has received a lot of bad press and other bowlers would not dare to face the same humiliation.

If the ICC rules won't change, nothing wrong if other bowlers attempt to repeat the same. Ultimately it is about winning and no self respecting cricketer should let go off the chance to press the advantage, provided the actions don't fall outside the ambits of the ICC rule book.

I am disgusted by the apologists defending his behavior

Again, sorry. You are being judgemental about it. This is a forum and people have every right to express their views. As long as posters aren't doing seriously criminal stuff, spreading hate, being racist or abusive, duping others etc you shouldn't feel disgusted. Surely you can disagree without feeling disgusted.

Pathetic behavior by Ashwin.

How so? He appealed which was well within his right. The umpire had a good look at it and ruled in his favour, so how can you ignore the umpire's role and blame Ashwin?

As I said in an earlier post, in our 1999 tour to Australia Mcgrath appealed for shoulder before the wicket when it was going a feet above the stumps, almost troll like. The umpire ruled Sachin out in bizarre fashion. Was the bowler to blame for that ridiculous appeal or the umpire for the howler? Quite often (especially before DRS era) we had wicketkeepers and bowlers appeal in unison for caught behind to escape the wide signal and sometimes the umpires would blunder and rule the batsman out. How do you approach that from the ethical angle?
 
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Meanwhile.

PakPassion.net : Take us back to the incident in 1987 in Lahore during the World Cup in Pakistan when you could have run Saleem Jaffar out at the non striker's end when he was backing up too far and won the match for the West Indies. Pakistan went onto win the match and qualify for the semi finals, any regrets now?

Courtney Walsh : Well he (Saleem Jaffar) was backing up too far and he was looking to steal a single. If I didn't believe in the spirit of the game I could have run him out, but that wasn't the way I was brought up to play my cricket.

I have absolutely no regrets about what I did. If the same thing happened to me today I would not run the player out without warning him.
 
Yh rules are rules but there’s also something called being petty. Was it against the rules for Australia to bowl under arm against NZ ? But it was still petty, that’s why we have something called spirit of the game. if a pak player did this I would not back him and I would label him as petty too.
 
Pretty disgraceful act and from a captain as well

I could understand it if buttler was gaining a unfair adv but here ashwin has set him up and purposely broke his action, waited a couple of seconds for him to leave the crease then broke the wkt


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Yh rules are rules but there’s also something called being petty. Was it against the rules for Australia to bowl under arm against NZ ? But it was still petty, that’s why we have something called spirit of the game. if a pak player did this I would not back him and I would label him as petty too.

Can't compare those two. In that over first 4 balls he left the crease too soon.He could have warned. So he decided to run him out. Although we are trained to think mankading is against the spirit of the sports, we also have to question where do you draw the line? Crucifying someone and his daughter on social media over this will prevent others from doing. It will indirectly encourage batsmen to wander out of the crease with no consequences. Cricketing boards should always stick by law not by the so called "SPIRIT".
 
Ashwin cunningly exploited the rule by deliberately delaying his action to get jos buttler out anyhow in his last over of the match.
This is probably worst mankad I have seen.
I guess the reactions of defenders would have been extreme had an overseas bowler did something like this to any indian star batsman.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">If I remember in one of the meetings of captains & match referee where I was also present as chairman it had been decided that if non striking batsman steps out bowler as a courtesy will not run him out <a href="https://twitter.com/IPL?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@IPL</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@BCCI</a></p>— Rajeev Shukla (@ShuklaRajiv) <a href="https://twitter.com/ShuklaRajiv/status/1110245486546554881?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 25, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ashwin has proven himself to be a very sore loser. Intentially chucked the ball because he was getting overshadowed and outclassed by better LOI spinners and is now resorting to mankading and highlighting his performances from two years ago to try to make India's World Cup squad. Of course, having been a massive HTB throughout his career, he probably thinks he can get away with anything in India.
 
Many people are talking about spirit of the game and how Ashwin didn't play with good spirit. Butler stole singles before the incident and was trying to steal another one. He was taking undue advantage by the head start. Fielding team had the right to dismiss him as per the rule and they did. Crying about it is nothing but a loser attitude. Fielding team complied with the law and I don't see how sprit of the game was brought down. The gentleman's game applies to both fielders and batsmen.
 
Ashwin has proven himself to be a very sore loser. Intentially chucked the ball because he was getting overshadowed and outclassed by better LOI spinners and is now resorting to mankading and highlighting his performances from two years ago to try to make India's World Cup squad. Of course, having been a massive HTB throughout his career, he probably thinks he can get away with anything in India.

Ashwin is a sore loser in this case indeed.

However, he's one the best legal spinners of this era and much much better than UAE Test specialist Yasir Shah. Yasir is a dud in the UAE in ODIs as well, a total dud.

Also, Ash deliberately chucked a few deliveries to bring attention of the world to the blatant cheat and thrower Saeed Ajmal. Who was getting away by cheating and throwing in every freaking match.

Did a huge service to cricket and we witnessed an end to the era of chuckers and throwers.

His act yesterday wasn't even Mankad, rather premeditated cheating.

But what Saeed Ajmal was doing, was way way worse. Chucked and cheated in every match, celebrated it as well.

You can call Ashwin out for his cheating yesterday, yes .
 
So should the non-striker be allowed to stand a meter out of the crease?

No, and Butler wasn't doing that either in this case. Was rather behind the line.

Ashwin cheated and set up a trap, broke his action and waited for Butler to get out.

It's a disgrace. Not even mankad.
 
Many people are talking about spirit of the game and how Ashwin didn't play with good spirit. Butler stole singles before the incident and was trying to steal another one. He was taking undue advantage by the head start. Fielding team had the right to dismiss him as per the rule and they did. Crying about it is nothing but a loser attitude. Fielding team complied with the law and I don't see how sprit of the game was brought down. The gentleman's game applies to both fielders and batsmen.

Two wrongs don’t make a right
 
Can't compare those two. In that over first 4 balls he left the crease too soon.He could have warned. So he decided to run him out. Although we are trained to think mankading is against the spirit of the sports, we also have to question where do you draw the line? Crucifying someone and his daughter on social media over this will prevent others from doing. It will indirectly encourage batsmen to wander out of the crease with no consequences. Cricketing boards should always stick by law not by the so called "SPIRIT".

People getting personal against Ashwin is wrong, and no it won’t encourage batsmen to do anything new as bowlers majority of the time give a warning and then there’s usually no further incident.
 
Yes, the point is about that delivery, where he was inside the crease.

You're saying he wasn't on the other balls. So he should've been warned about it. Or even dismissed.

If Butler was really well outside the crease and abusing his position, Ashwin would've had a lot of support.

In this case he doesn't because on that particular delivery he premeditated to get Butler out .

Also look at the bigger picture and the precedent this premeditation sets. What if this cat and mouse game is played on every ball . Bowlers will be trying to get batsmen out this way. It's not cricket.

Buttler was outside the other balls.

Ashwin didn't effect the runout.

If he had effected the run out during those deliveries, you would be fine right?

He caught on to Buttler's act and finally effected the runout. But Buttler was in the crease.

Umpire should have given it not out and called it a day.

Isn't this the same as a bowler appealing for a bad lbw? Or stumping?

How many would blame the bowler then?

As for warning, it was removed from ICC rules. Batsmen can't be allowed to steal inches for years while bowlers have to show restraint.

The only valid reason I see here is that Buttler should have been declared not out. That too involves a certain interpretation.

As for bad precedent, here's what will happen:

Batsmen will simply stay in the crease till ball is released. None of the monkeying around will happen as many predict.

Proof?

Same as what happened when no balls resulted in freehits. Bowlers simply adjusted. In this case its even easier for batsmen to adjust.

Stay in the crease.
 
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First of all, can the mods please correct themselves when they have posted that there was no handshake, as like other posters have pointed out, that is misleading information as hands were shaken, but I think Buttler avoided eye contact with him [MENTION=133760]Abdullah719[/MENTION] [MENTION=93712]MenInG[/MENTION]

Anyway as for this, I don't care about the IPL, but I found this whole episode very interesting. I used to think Ashwin was one of the more likable Indian cricketers but I have lost all respect for him, completely moronic behaviour, I don't care what the rules are, it's just awful sportsmanship and I hope Ashwin gets some bad karma served to him and it's good to see other international cricketers roasting him. Shame on Ashwin
 
No you can't justify it.

But you can't blame the bowler either.

Blame the umpires. Or the system.

But what is the world doing?

It's blaming the bowler for doing his job.

It's blaming him for NOT allowing the batsmen to cheat a few inches.

Why?

Because that won't conform to the "spirit of the game".

That's the problem, my friend.

Diving is frowned upon in football. The referee is not blame there. The player who gets the penalty is. If the player gets it in his favor, its great coz the referee didn't catch that. But you can't help but cringe when you look at it on a replay.

Regardless of what the umpire did, it does not look good on camera for the bowler to be eyeing the player on the non striker's at the end he is not bowling to. He has a weapon in his hand, his ball. He has his tricks, the batsmen have theirs. Use them and make it a game between bat and ball. Don't resolve to petty stuff to get things your way.

If this becomes a trend it will start happening every over, every ball and there is the component of time that will be wasted getting extra reviews for these kind of decisions. Give the public a spectacle not a farce.
 
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I see absolutely nothing wrong with what Ashwin did ... yes !!! Remember, the non-striker broke the rule
FIRST .... by leaving the crease !!!! Change the Rule ..... or stop bad mouthing the bowlers !!!!
 
Nothing wrong with what Ashwin did. However, rules should be simple. Batsman CANNOT leave the crease until ball has been delivered.
 
Jos Buttler 'Mankad' dismissal shows that 'spirit of the game' doesn't exist, says David Lloyd

There are two key things to remember with Buttler's 'Mankad' dismissal in the IPL

Number 1, of paramount importance is, as batsman, don't leave your ground. Number 2, to the bowler, don't try and deceive the batsman. There is onus on both Buttler and Ashwin here.

But, I would argue Ashwin didn't go about things correctly. It's only my opinion, but I thought that Ashwin was trying to deceive the batsman.

'm just reading through the laws of the game, because the law has recently changed. It states: 'If the non-striker is out of his ground at any time from the moment the ball comes in to play, until the instant when the bowler would normally have been expected to release the ball'.

What seems particularly relevant is, 'when the bowler is normally expected to release the ball'.

It looked to me, at the precise moment of his dismissal, Ashwin had stopped in his delivery. Buttler would therefore have continued, expecting Ashwin to release the ball and not knowing that he would stop.

This is one that is quite useful to know within the law. 'The fielding side have the option not to appeal, or to withdraw the appeal, if they do not want to dismiss the batsman in this way'. The way to interpret that is "we're giving you a warning". "Don't do it again."

As for the 'spirit of the game'? Forget it. There is none.

It's pie in the sky thinking. The spirit of the game went years ago; It's dog eat dog.

The present-day players seem to want the onus to be thrown straight back on to the umpire. Ashwin wants Buttler out, and so it is the third umpire who ends up making the decision. The argument could be that he got it wrong - under the interpretation of the laws of the game.

Because of the furore surrounding this, I'd like the law to be written a little clearer, so that everyone understands.

That said, Michael Atherton has a very good point on the issue: Why was Buttler not looking at the bowler's hand?

If you stay in your ground and watch the bowler's hand and then move only when the ball is released, there's absolutely no problem.

But the wider issue is, is a batsman leaving his crease to gain an unfair advantage? I'm not sure Buttler was doing that last night.

Of course the defence of the bowler would be to show a number of other instances where Buttler was out of his ground. But it just looked to me that he wasn't charging down the pitch, he wasn't stealing a march. He was just guilty of being a bit dozy.

Buttler has previous for it [against Sri Lanka in 2014]. And teams have noticed that.

If you're asking me with a coach's hat on, I'd have been absolutely livid. I know exactly how I'd have reacted; "When they bat, they are fair game. Nail their best player."

That is how I'd react. But that is a dangerous way to go.

It's dangerous because it could lead to this now being looked at as a genuine tactic to get rid of a premier player. And it's just another law the umpires are left to implement.

You'll often get little messages that come on to the field from the 12th man. I wonder what that message was?

"Watch the non-striking batsman, he's out of his ground, run him out." Run up, stop in the run up, wait till the batsman is out of his ground and take the bails off. Howzat?

Ask yourself this. If it's the World Cup final, and somebody does that to Virat Kohli, are you ok with it?

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...rit-of-the-game-doesnt-exist-says-david-lloyd
 
Early days into the start of the Indian Premier League season 12 and a major controversy erupted after Kings XI Punjab captain Ravichandran Ashwin dismissed Rajasthan Royals' Jos Buttler by Mankading him. While the entire cricketing fraternity is busy debating the sportsmanship factor, Pakistani cricketer Wahab Riaz has also given his take on the entire matter.

The social media world has been divided, with many suggesting that Ashwin did nothing wrong as he stayed within the rules of the game and dismissed Buttler in a legal manner. There are those too who consider Mankading as an act of unsportsmanlike behaviour, especially if it was the first instance for the batsman.

Riaz joined the bandwagon of current and former players criticising Ashwin, as he suggested that the Indian off-spinner's decision to opt for a temporary benefit might affect his lifetime achievements.

“It’s not okay to let temporary benefit hamper your lifetime achievements. Spirit of the game should always be remembered when playing under pressure,” the Pakistan cricketer tweeted.

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The BCCI itself has been divided on the whole incident, with one official suggesting that a bowler should use his 'cricketing skills and not shady skills', another official said that the offie did what was allowed as per the rule books.

"A player is supposed to deceive the other with his cricketing skills and not with shady skills. If the batsman is taking advantage, deal with it in the right way - as a gentleman. Competitiveness is all very well but a standard of decorum ought to be maintained," an official told IANS.

Another senior member of the board told PTI that no one in the BCCI would be "lecturing Ashwin on sportsman spirit" despite the controversy surrounding the issue.

"There is no question of lecturing Ashwin on spirit of the game. He did what is permissible within the rules of the game. The umpires and match referees are there to ensure that players compete as per laws of the game," the official said.

https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...e-game-after-jos-buttler-mankad-moment/389492
 
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Ashwin dud a great job. Keep up the good work dude. Don't listen to those whinning English players. They always cry for nothing.

If a batsman can step out of his creese to play a lofted shot, if the batsman on the opposite side of the crease can run few meters before the ball is delivered, then a bowler can also do whatever he's allowed to do according to the rules.

Change the rules If it doesn't suit the game, don't blame the bowler for doing his job.

Long may ashwin keep mankanding the batters. All power to him.
 
And what is this nonsensical spirit of the game? Does it exist in cricket only or does it exist in some other sports too. I have never understood this vage terminology properly.
 
The cricket world appears divided on whether Ravichandran Ashwin was justified in Mankading Jos Buttler in an Indian Premier League (IPL) fixture on Monday.

But Saleem Jaffar knows what it feels like when an opponent cricketer chooses path of sportsmanship over winning and keeps the ‘spirit of the game’ alive!

A former Pakistan fast bowler, Jaffar recollects the time when a certain Courtney Walsh refused to run him out, that too, in a crucial group league fixture of the 1987 World Cup.

That decision eventually cost West Indies a berth in the semifinals, but Walsh went on to become one of the ambassadors of fair play.

“In that era, each and every player had character. This gesture shows how strong the cricketers were then. Cricket is a gentleman’s game and we should maintain that even now,” Jaffar told Sportstar from Dallas late on Tuesday.

In 1987, it was a group league fixture against West Indies at Lahore, which went down the wire. With Pakistan requiring 14 runs off the last over, Walsh was entrusted with the responsibility to defend the total.

For Pakistan, tail-enders Abdul Qadir and Jaffar were at the crease. Before the final delivery - when Pakistan needed two runs to win - non-striker Jaffar took a start and was scampering even before Walsh had reached the bowling crease.

Walsh stopped in front of the wicket and warned Jaffar to return. There was every opportunity for the West Indies pace ace to dislodge the stumps, but he chose to give Jaffar a fair chance.

Though West Indies lost, Walsh was lauded for his ‘sportsmanship’ and was even appreciated by the Pakistan government.

“That was an important game for the West Indies. At that time, the rules for run out were different but even then, Walsh did not want to win a game by unfair means. He was a great bowler, he did not want to win it this way.”

Looking back at that incident 22 years later, Jaffar feels such a gesture is unthinkable in today’s times.

“In T20s, bowlers get only 24 balls and in such a short format, such behaviour is not expected. If they do not maintain the spirit the game then it doesn’t speak highly of their character,” Jaffar said, referring to Ashwin.

“He (Ashwin) is a great off-spinner, and given his stature, he could have stayed away from such a thing. I know, as per the law of the game, it is out, but then, why endorse such an act? Play to your strength, get them out genuinely,” Jaffar said.

“He (Ashwin) has a good image. Perhaps, it happened at the heat of the moment. But I am sure, Ashwin will realise his mistake later. It will hurt him in the future. It certainly wasn’t a good gesture by him,” the former cricketer said.

The 56-year-old Jaffer, who played in 14 Tests and 39 ODIs, also admitted that that extreme competitive environment has done the game more harm than good.

“In our times, cricket was more of a passion and not a profession. Now, it is more challenging and with the Boards introducing franchise leagues, everyone wants to

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...eem-jaffar-courtney-walsh/article26650269.ece
 
And what is this nonsensical spirit of the game? Does it exist in cricket only or does it exist in some other sports too. I have never understood this vage terminology properly.

"Virat Kohli mankaded in an ICC final without being warned even once"

"Muhammad Amir stops in run up, waits for Kohli to move out and then runs him out in world cup final"

No Indian would enjoy these headlines if they became a reality.
 
"Virat Kohli mankaded in an ICC final without being warned even once"

"Muhammad Amir stops in run up, waits for Kohli to move out and then runs him out in world cup final"

No Indian would enjoy these headlines if they became a reality.

I would not enjoy our No 3 batter getting out but it would be legal. If our kaptaan is a chor who likes to steal a portion of run every ball then he takes the risk of getting mankaded out.
 
I would not enjoy our No 3 batter getting out but it would be legal. If our kaptaan is a chor who likes to steal a portion of run every ball then he takes the risk of getting mankaded out.

Almost every player steal little margin from nonstriker end regularly or occasionally and I think non strikers themselves are not aware of it most of the time. See last match's highlights dd vs csk. Shikhar dhawan was doing same thing and other day gayle was doing same. Kohli must be doing this also unintentionally sometimes.

Let's see which bowler does it next.
 
Almost every player steal little margin from nonstriker end regularly or occasionally and I think non strikers themselves are not aware of it most of the time. See last match's highlights dd vs csk. Shikhar dhawan was doing same thing and other day gayle was doing same. Kohli must be doing this also unintentionally sometimes.

Let's see which bowler does it next.

You do it once unintentionally but as the pics of earlier balls on this page show buttler was doing it every ball, if you are doing it every ball it isn't unintentionally anymore.
 
Almost every player steal little margin from nonstriker end regularly or occasionally and I think non strikers themselves are not aware of it most of the time. See last match's highlights dd vs csk. Shikhar dhawan was doing same thing and other day gayle was doing same. Kohli must be doing this also unintentionally sometimes.

Let's see which bowler does it next.

They are all chor if they like to get unfair advantage against the rules and still expect a warning before getting in trouble.

LOCK THEM UP! :trump (or mankad them out.)
 
Meanwhile.

PakPassion.net : Take us back to the incident in 1987 in Lahore during the World Cup in Pakistan when you could have run Saleem Jaffar out at the non striker's end when he was backing up too far and won the match for the West Indies. Pakistan went onto win the match and qualify for the semi finals, any regrets now?

Courtney Walsh : Well he (Saleem Jaffar) was backing up too far and he was looking to steal a single. If I didn't believe in the spirit of the game I could have run him out, but that wasn't the way I was brought up to play my cricket.

I have absolutely no regrets about what I did. If the same thing happened to me today I would not run the player out without warning him.

Thank you Saj for reminding the one of most memorable ODI in history. I think A Qadir was on the batting crease & incident happened in the last over. It is true that the legends of this game are the legends in every aspect.
 
People reveal who they really are under pressure. That was the most gutless, cowardly and cheap tactic i have even seen on a cricket field. Growing up i only heard about underarm delivery, this mankad takes the cake. As an Indian cricket fan i feel ashamed and cheated. This is not brand of cricket our cricketers are known for. I would rather lose with dignity than win by cheating. People who are defending his actions just think how would you react if Imran Tahir did the same to Kohli. Ashwin robbed Buttler of a well deserved match winning innings. Ashwin is among few cricketers who are well educated, never expected he could do something like this. I guess he is very desperate to revive his LOI career. I hope he never plays for India ever again in any format.
 
What I have observed in that match (as I saw live)

Butler was a key batsman in the team and the whole batting was somewhat dependent on him (You know Smith is brilliant only in tests) And he is in the form of his life! (Both International Cricket and also last IPL coming into this season!) He is on the urge of taking up strike! That is why you are seeing him coming out of the crease so much! Probably he doesn't trust the other batsman to score as briskly as him (especially if it is someone like Rahane!) The required RR was higher! At least this is what I have observed in that match! It could be a temporary brain fade! OR looking at his past experiences (where he had done that in an international match too!) he might have also developed it through his instinct (probably again to take as much strike as possible!).

I think this is a case where he is trying to take as much strike as possible by stealing a single! He may not be doing this to just steal/add one run to the team's total (that too it goes to his partner's credit!) Also he is not doing this deliberately in decisive overs (slog overs when the runs are desperate!) Sometimes a top order batsman may do this when he is batting with a weak tail...! Nothing much wrong in that!

And from Ashwin's perspective, I think he might have deliberately avoided to give warnings to Butler and was desperate to pick his wicket somehow and used this as a ploy! This is where I think all the hate is coming at him! Also I think he knew Butler's past (as a old twitter chat being mentioned in this thread!) and was trying to utilize that opportunity in this match as his wicket was crucial and was aware of Butler's instincts!

In my opinion this incident should be forgotten soon (Ashwin perhaps has only few years in international cricket given his fitness and that too only in Tests as he lost his touch in white ball cricket!) But I have some sympathy for bowlers in general here! Batsmen should not be taking this additional advantage (with all other advantages/rules in their favor) and should stay in the crease till the bowler has bowled. At least don't make it a habit like Butler (and such guys should be definitely targeted aptly!) Its OK in human nature that in some desperate times the batsmen will be on their toes to steal a single and they might be outside the crease unintentionally and everyone (including bowler) may ignore such cases and everyone will be focused on the game!

Also I don't think there is any bigger gain a batsman (non-striker) can get by staying outside the crease like that all the time! At times they can get run out (regular runout) due to this because the striker may not be in sync with them! Also it is like sending wrong signal to the partner that you are not good enough to take more strike, so I will take strike from you!
 
Whats next, appeals when a batsman defends the ball and then rolls it back to the batsmen or closest fielder, if you want to play on technicalities cricket will become a very sad game.
 
Ashwin was within his rights, but I'd prefer a warning first: Rahul Dravid

JAIPUR: Was Ravichandran Ashwin right in running Jos Buttler out the way he did? Opinion on it is divided. Rahul Dravid for one, feels the 'Mankaded' dismissal was well within the laws. However, the former India captain admits he would have done it differently. "Personally I would have given the batsman a warning," he told TOI during an interaction here on Tuesday.

Excerpts:

How do you look at Ashwin's dismissal of Buttler?

It's within the laws of the game and that's pretty clear. So I don't have a problem with someone deciding to do it. Ashwin was well within his rights to do what he did. However, personally I would prefer it if somebody warns someone first. That would be my personal choice, but I respect someone's view to think differently. I might not agree with it necessarily, but I would just have to agree to disagree whether someone should run someone out without warning him.

Do you think Ashwin lost some of his gentleman image?

I think some of the reactions were overblown. Questioning Ashwin's character because he did that is totally wrong. He has every right to his view. You might not agree with it, but it was well within his rights to do it and that does not make him a bad person. Like I said, I would rather he had warned first, but if he chose not to do it, then that's his interpretation and you can't have issue with that. It is not about being a gentleman or a non-gentleman. This is not a judgement on his character, but his reading of the law. He has not cheated anybody, nor is he a bad person because he did that.

Later Ashwin hinted he doesn't really care about sporting spirit...

The interpretation of sportsman spirit is different for different people and I don't think we need to go into that. You can decide in how you want to be. It's a player's personal choice. The toughest thing for Ashwin and his coach in Kings XI is that an issue like sometimes polarizes opinion. Among the players and support staff, there might be some who feel he could have done things differently and that becomes difficult for the captain and coach going forward.

As coach, how would you look at it?

When I coach teams, I suggest and I use the word suggest, to players that if they feel someone is trying to get undue advantage, then please warn him and if he continues to do that, you can maybe do that (Mankaded). But then people don't have to agree with me. There is nothing in the laws that say you have to warn. He (Ashwin) has read the law in a particular way. You can agree to disagree with him, but you cannot question his character, this is wrong.

Do you agree with the controversial 'Mankaded' law?

I don't see any other way. Tomorrow if you don't have the law, you can have somebody standing five feet outside the crease. So how do you make sure that someone doesn't take advantage? The law is there for a reason and how you choose to use it is a tricky one.
Buttler has been 'Mankaded' earlier, so shouldn't he have been more careful?

Look, I didn't watch the game so I can't really comment on that. I don't want to get into it.

Talking about World Cup, should MS Dhoni or Risabh Pant play?

As a coach of the India U-19 team, I should not be commenting on who should be included. Everyone is same for me. All I will say is that Dhoni has incredible experience and he has been playing very well in the past few months. Rishabh is definitely an exciting young player and he has got the talent. If the selectors feel, two wicketkeepers can play. The best 15 should be in the team.

Who is your ideal No. 4?

Like I said, I cannot be commenting on that. I am coaching 10 boys and all of them are fighting for a place in that squad. I cannot publicly pick one particular player.

Do you think IPL is overloading the players? Jasprit Bumrah got injured...

In IPL, bowlers have to bowl just four overs. There cannot be overloading. Moreover, the players know best when they should be playing. You cannot force someone to play if he feels he cannot.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...g-first-rahul-dravid/articleshow/68589990.cms
 
Looks like batsmen staying in their crease today when Ashwin bowling....
 
Pathetic but not surprised. Ashwin is the same guy who admitted to chucking “because everyone was doing it”
 
Looks like batsmen staying in their crease today when Ashwin bowling....

I hope people now realize that how important is to do this often by every bowlers so batsmen get into habit of staying in their crease. This revolution was needed for the fairness, and I am glad it's done before the WC. So batsmen stay in the crease.
 
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I am amused to see so many Pakistani supporters who love their bowlers don't support this 'Mankad' rule. People are so quick to hand out character certificate. :facepalm:

There is a guy who dances on a pitch to deteriorate the pitch and leave teeth mark on the ball, but the crowd goes LALA LALA. but here we have a bowler, who is setting an example of fair game and people jump on their guns.
 
Deary me. What a depressing thread. Instead of arguing on whether Ashwin's actions were legal or not, how about some semblance in the following.

Although history has not been kind to his name, Vinoo Mankad was one of India’s finest cricketers. He scored his country’s first double hundred, took 12 wickets in India’s first victory over England and was the fastest all-rounder to the cherished double of 1,000 runs and 100 wickets, until Ian Botham came along to snatch the record from his grasp.

Instead of those stirring deeds, his name has become indelibly linked to the dismissal that caused such a stink this week when Jos Buttler was run-out by Ravi Ashwin in the IPL, the batsman having left his crease before the ball was bowled. Amid the subsequent moralising, the context of the original deed has been forgotten and it was left to Mankad’s son, Rahul, to remind us in a rather touching interview yesterday with a newspaper in Mumbai.

Mankad ran-out Bill Brown, the Australian batsman, twice in this way during the 1947-48 tour, the first time in a state game in Queensland after multiple warnings for backing-up too far. “My father regretted it and wished it had never happened, but he felt it was the only course of action left [my italics] because Brown refused to heed the warnings,” Rahul said. He called his father’s actions “brave”, rather than underhand, echoing the contemporary comments of Sir Donald Bradman and other Australian cricketers, who exonerated Mankad from all blame.

Quite how, then, this mode of dismissal wrongly came to be tainted is uncertain. It can only be linked to its scarcity; I cannot remember it happening during my career, and I can count only nine instances in the history of international cricket, the last of which was Buttler against Sri Lanka at Edgbaston five years ago. That and the Spirit of Cricket, which, although associated with the game since its reinvention in Victorian England, was only codified in 2000, when it was written into the Laws of the game.

To be run-out in such a way once may be regarded as a misfortune; twice, as Buttler has now been, looks like carelessness. Except nothing is quite that simple in cricket. Certainly, Ashwin’s action this week was less clear-cut than when Buttler was so dismissed against Sri Lanka five years ago, or indeed when Ashwin attempted such a dismissal in an earlier ODI against Sri Lanka, only to be persuaded to drop the appeal.

This time, the third umpire’s opinion was a finely balanced one: as the MCC noted on Tuesday, it could have gone either way, depending as it did on the subjective judgment of when the ball would have been expected to be released. What seems clear is that Ashwin was looking for an opportunity to dismiss Buttler in this way and by giving the bowler such an opportunity, Buttler was guilty of doziness again.

Interestingly, I had a text from a friend yesterday from Chennai, Ashwin’s home town, who said that such dismissals are regularly seen during the ruthless floodlit 15-yard soft ball matches played during the steaming summer nights in the city, where every inch counts. Short-form franchise competitions mirror native playground games more and more (or the other way around), was his gist, and no one who has played in those games thinks of it as a moral issue.

In that context, bringing morality into such a dismissal is much like the infamous Australian “line” on sledging and behaviour, it being drawn differently depending on who you are or where you are from. One man’s sledge is another’s polite greeting. Morality, then, is best left to playwrights; cricket should concern itself with its Laws.

Part of the problem, indeed, was the change to the Law in 2000, whereby batsmen could leave their crease the moment the bowler’s back foot landed. This was an open invitation to steal ground — and therefore runs — and encouraged batsmen to be casual of their whereabouts at the crease. Rightly, MCC changed the Law again in 2017, so that batsmen must now be in their ground from the moment the ball is live until the moment the ball is expected to be released.

There has been a lot of woolly thinking in the reaction to the incident, mostly from those who are clearly ignorant of the Law. Breathless tweets from former players suggested the fabric of the game was threatened as further shenanigans would be encouraged. Few wondered what would happen if batsmen maintained their ground, as they are supposed to do.

Precisely nothing would happen, because that’s what the Law is there for. There can only be a virulent outbreak of similar run-outs, something no one wants to see, if batsmen continue to be dozy, or underhand, and leave their ground too soon.

When it changed the Law in 2017, MCC did two further things: it clarified that there was no stipulation for the bowler to give a warning (although that would still be reasonable in my view, to prevent the sourness that followed Buttler’s dismissal) and it placed the responsibility for fair play upon the batsman, not the bowler. It was a belated way of saying that the name Mankad should not be tainted at all.

That, really, is the starting point for any debate. The onus here is on the batsman, not the bowler: watch the ball, stay your ground until it has been delivered and, for the right reasons rather than wrong, we can all let Mankad’s name recede gracefully into history.

Warner played his ban to perfection
Exactly 12 months to the day after Cricket Australia handed down its judgment on the events in Cape Town, the bans on Steve Smith and David Warner from playing for their country, and in first-class cricket in their country, come to an end.

Cameron Bancroft, the third member of the trio to be barred, was able to return in December, his ban being shorter than his more senior team-mates. Not that he has been out of the news recently, given his remarkable elevation to the captaincy of a county, Durham, he has never set foot in before.

Of the three, Warner remains the most fascinating. It was widely felt at the time that Smith’s return to the Australia team was inevitable, that Bancroft’s was likely, if he had a return to form, and that Warner, despite his formidable record as a batsman in all forms, would be the most vulnerable to permanent exclusion.

Banned from leadership roles within Australia cricket for good, it looked like Warner was being set up to take the largest portion of whatever blame was being attributed. As Australia cricket distanced itself from him, what, we wondered, would Warner’s reaction be? Would he lash out? Would he spill the beans? Having left the reservation — the team’s WhatsApp group in this instance — where would this loose cannon train his fire?

In fact, as Gideon Haigh, columnist at The Australian newspaper noted recently, Warner has had the best ban of the three. After the initial teary press conference immediately on returning from South Africa, and one sulky retreat from the crease in club cricket apart, he has stayed out of view. He has refused all of the presumably many juicy offers to tell his side of the story and maintained a telling silence.

The heavy hand of spin could be seen in the televised interviews Smith and Bancroft gave at Christmas during the Test series against India. They were unenlightening and were clearly intended to be among the first steps back to rehabilitation. Smith did an advert with Vodafone around the same time — tagged “gutsy is calling” — which jarred. Warner has simply kept his head down, his mouth shut, and accepted the punishment.

Now he is back and in his first innings in the IPL for Sunrisers Hyderabad he made a blistering 85. Few would bet against a return in both the Ashes and the World Cup this summer, despite Australia’s performances having bottomed out following their ODI tour of England last summer.

The list of those who have left their jobs in Australia in the last year is a long one: gone are CEO James Sutherland, chairman David Peever, high-performance manager Pat Howard, head coach Darren Lehmann and bowling coach David Saker. Having wisely kept his counsel, Warner will outlast them all.
 
Ashwin was fishing for it, which is not right. HOWEVER, This whole mankad rule needs to be tweaked. Players implementing legal rules to get abused is ridicilous. Either state in the rule book that the bowler needs to warn the batsmen atleast once before performing the mankad or stop hating on the players for playing by the books. The match between NZ/AUS is a good example of it when rules had to be tweeked (roll the ball so that the batsman had no way of hitting it fo a boundary). Then again, ethically might have not been correct but it was well within the rule at that time. They saw it as a problem and changed the rules of the game. Same should be done here or else bowlers gets bashed on for no reason in the name of Spirit of the game. Batsmen stealing those extra inches for a run gets a free pass, no spirit of the game is disrupted at that point apprantly.
 
'We don’t think it was within the spirit of the game' – MCC U-turn on Buttler run-out

A day after ruling the ‘Mankad’ to be essential to the game, cricket lawmakers MCC have taken a U-turn on their stance on the controversial dismissal after it took place during an Indian Premier League game.

The ‘Mankad’ has been a hot topic of debate over the last couple of days, ever since Kings XI Punjab captain Ravichandran Ashwin employed it to dismiss Jos Buttler. Various experts, and former and current players weighed in on the issue, but the MCC, the guardians of the laws of cricket, said Ashwin did nothing unethical.

"[The] incident could have been ruled out or not out," the MCC had said in a statement on Tuesday, 26 March. "This law is essential. Without it, non-strikers could back up at liberty, several yards down the pitch, and a law is needed to prevent such action.

Buttler and Ashwin exchanged words after the Englishman's dismissal – AFP Buttler and Ashwin exchanged words after the Englishman's dismissal – AFP
"The crux of the issue is when the non-striker can safely leave his/her ground, and what the bowler can do to effect this form of dismissal without courting controversy. To clarify, it has never been in the laws that a warning should be given to the non-striker and nor is it against the spirit of cricket to run out a non-striker who is seeking to gain an advantage by leaving his/her ground early.”

However, in a turnaround of the interpretation, the lawmakers on Wednesday told British newspaper The Telegraph that the run-out was indeed contrary to the spirit of the game. "Having extensively reviewed the incident again, and after further reflection, we don’t think it was within the spirit of the game," MCC laws manager Fraser Stewart said.

Buttler's controversial ‘Mankad’ run out – best of the reaction

MCC’s reasoning was that the pause between the moment Ashwin reached the crease and the moment of delivery was unusually long. As per the law, if the non-striker has left the crease at the moment the bowler would “normally” be expected to release the ball, he is entitled to try to run him out. "We believe the pause was too long between the time Ashwin reached the crease and the moment it was reasonable to expect the ball would be delivered,” Stewart said.

However, he clarified that it is also unfair on the part of the non-striker to gain an unfair advantage, and that the best way to avoid the mess is to make sure to stay inside the crease until the ball has begun travelling down the pitch.

"When Buttler could have reasonably expected the ball to be delivered, he was in his ground,” he said. “It is also unfair, and against the Spirit of Cricket, for non-strikers to leave their ground too early. All these debates wouldn’t be necessary if non‑strikers remained in their ground until the ball is on its way down the pitch."

We believe the pause was too long between the time Ashwin reached the crease and the moment it was reasonable to expect the ball would be delivered.

The MCC’s change in stance is likely to spark further debate over the mode of dismissal. But Stewart defended the lawmakers against accusations of having changed direction and put the onus on the players to go about their business in a responsible manner.

“We didn’t come down either way [in the original statement],” he said. “Ultimately, the game is for the players and they’ve got a responsibility to work out how they want to play it and set an example to grassroots cricketers as role models, by upholding standards to preserve the game, and particularly the Spirit of Cricket, for future generations.

“The Spirit of Cricket is as relevant now as it has ever been. It is important that cricket is played in accordance with the spirit of the game, as well as within the laws.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1131537
 
Ashwin did nothing wrong, he was operating within the laws: AB de Villiers

De Villiers revealed that captain Virat Kohli will not want to tinker with his side despite the season opening loss in Chennai.

De Villiers revealed that captain Virat Kohli will not want to tinker with his side for their next match against Mumbai despite the season opening loss in Chennai. @ BCCI
Ravichandran Ashwin’s ‘mankading’ of Jos Buttler during Punjab’s home match against Rajasthan in the Indian T20 League split the cricket fraternity wide open. Former South Africa captain AB de Villiers has joined the debate and believes that the Tamil Nadu offie was well within his rights. (ALSO READ: It’s unfortunate that my father’s name has been tainted: Vinoo Mankad’s son)

“I felt sorry for Buttler because he wasn’t trying to steal a run, and Ashwin did nothing wrong because he was operating within the laws,” the Bangalore star wrote in his column for the Times of India on Thursday.

“It’s still a grey area, and Law 41.16 needs to be clarified. Either running a batsman out at the non-striker’s end is legal or it isn’t — can somebody please decide.” (ALSO READ: Questioning Ashwin’s character because he mankaded Buttler is totally wrong: Rahul Dravid)

Meanwhile, Bangalore were off to the worst ever starts possible when their explosive batting line-up failed to live up to expectations and were skittled for a paltry 70. ABD departed for just nine after he fell to Harbhajan Singh, who won the Man of the Match for his three wickets in Chennai’s emphatic seven-wicket win.

In their next match, Bangalore host three-time champions Mumbai, who are also in search of their first win after going down to Delhi at the Wankhede.

“We are playing under pressure not only because, as ever, we want to excite our own supporters but also because of the disappointing defeat in our opening match against CSK. That’s no problem. We embrace the pressure. This is why we play the game,” De Villiers wrote. (ALSO READ: I don’t want to be Ashwin, says Kevin Pietersen on Jos Buttler Mankading)

“Our preparations this week have focussed on nothing more clever or complicated than hard work. On Tuesday, guided — and goaded — by head coach Gary Kirsten, we focussed almost entirely on fitness drills.”

ABD revealed that captain Virat Kohli will not want to tinker with his side despite the season opening loss in Chennai. (ALSO READ: ‘It’s too late to say sorry Mr. Ashwin, you will be remembered for that low act’)

“There are unlikely to be many changes in our team to play MI. We underperformed in Chennai but the balance feels right and, very often, it is consistency in selection that enables a team to build momentum. That’s what we need right now… consistency and momentum, and an opening home victory over MI will get our campaign up and running,” he explained.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...erating-within-the-laws-ab-de-villiers-820550
 
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