[PICTURE] So a 'damp patch' leads to a World Cup match being abandoned

[Hasan123]

Actually you are right and the sensible one here. Its fans who are pathetic and ICC and their match officials are examples of perfection and this has been demonstrated recently :

1. Imposing a fine on Pakistan for slow over rate but not doing same against England although eng were close to 30 mins slower

2. Yesterday blind umpiring where Gayle was robbed by the umpire

3. Today the whole fiasco..


So yes u are right fans are pathetic

I didn't say anything about the ICC being perfect. Our fanbase has a victim mentality whether you like it or not.

 

[Major]

"There were a couple of patches which were very wet, and especially around the bowlers' run-up area; So what you dont want your main bowler from either side to pull a hamstring, slip or get injured and then you are out of the World Cup" : Wasim Akram

They had 1.5 hrs. 2 hrs if u add the cut off time.
Why couldnt be anything done in those 2 hrs to fix ground issues

 

[SportsWarrior]

don't attribute anything to malice if it can be explained by plain incompetency

 

[Usman Chadda]

whats with the victim mentality? just win the next five out of six matches and you will be through. even winning four gives Pak an edge. don't mess up against NZ.. Losing to India will not have any impact but if Pak loses to NZ it will be difficult to qualify

While I disagree with the victim mentality, but is winning five out of six matches really that easy?

 

[asifp]

There is no conspiracy it’s pure incompetence. ICC has robbed me of my memories and an experience.

 

[ekpakistani]

I didn't say anything about the ICC being perfect. Our fanbase has a victim mentality whether you like it or not.

Dude check out asifp's latest post.. He is in Bristol and its bright and sunny. Yet ICC officials made a mess of this

Some fans may have victim mentality just like any other country on this planet ..that does not justify you making generalizations

 

[ekpakistani]

There is no conspiracy it’s pure incompetence. ICC has robbed me of my memories and an experience.

At this rate ICC will destroy cricket. People should stop throwing fans under the bus.. Rather its time to call a spade a spade...

 

[Major]

The victim mentality amongst our fans is pathetic.

Watch other sports like nhl, premier league etc.

Every fanbase critisize rules that go against your team

and the fact that we had 2 hrs and yet the patch wasnt dried is weird.

 

[MenInG]

"There were a couple of patches which were very wet, and especially around the bowlers' run-up area; So what you dont want your main bowler from either side to pull a hamstring, slip or get injured and then you are out of the World Cup" : Wasim Akram

People should read this before making judgements.

 

[Hasan123]

Watch other sports like nhl, premier league etc.

Every fanbase critisize rules that go against your team

and the fact that we had 2 hrs and yet the patch wasnt dried is weird.

I do watch other sports.

Yes they do but at least try to understand them. People are making out as though the umpires don't want Pakistan to win. The game probably didn't go ahead to pitch not being safe. They are thinking about the players safety.

The drainage for the ground is a different issue which the umpires arent in control of.

 

[Mkumar825]

While I disagree with the victim mentality, but is winning five out of six matches really that easy?

Bangladesh, afganistan matches pak can easily win then South Africa game also Pak can win (80-20) ,only need one win out of 3 remaining ( Aus ,IND, Nz) to reach semifinal .

 

[Gladiators]

People should read this before making judgements.

No one wants an injury - but there seem to be some simple, common sense solutions.

1 - Outfield covers that "cover" the entire outfield...
2 - Longer time allowances for cutoff, given the floodlights at all venues (it's glorious now in Bristol, I'm told).
3 - Reserve days.

Shambles from the ICC.

 

[ekpakistani]

People should read this before making judgements.

No one disagrees with that.. Player safety is important. However what were ground staff and officials doing for time rain stopped

And official cutoff time was 4.15 but decision was made at 3.46 pm... How is that justified??

 

[SportsWarrior]

While I disagree with the victim mentality, but is winning five out of six matches really that easy?

I am Indian fan and but still back Pak to win games against BD, AFG, SA and NZ. BD have had a good run but i feel Pak will win any high pressure match against them. BD tend to be poor under pressure. Same with NZ, they wilt under pressure. SA is the new punching bag and might pose a threat as by the time Pak meets them i expect them to be mostly out of the tournament allowing them to play freely.

Only India and Australia matches will be difficult matches. Mostly Aus match will get washed out allowing pak to earn a point. Against India i firmly back Pak to win as I have a feeling law of averages will finally catch up with India. Pak also might play India's spinners better in the middle overs as they have three good (Mallik, Sarfarz and Hafeez) players of spin..

so yes, they can win atleast four of remaining five matches and collect a point against Australia..

 

[MRSN]

While I disagree with the victim mentality, but is winning five out of six matches really that easy?

If we win even 4 then we have a strong chance. Group is wide open and every team can beat other.

 

[Hawkeye]

here on PP after long time.. not disappointed keep these fun threads coming

"There were a couple of patches which were very wet, and especially around the bowlers' run-up area; So what you dont want your main bowler from either side to pull a hamstring, slip or get injured and then you are out of the World Cup" : Wasim Akram

This thread and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] is making all Pak fans look bad, a bunch of crybabies and conspiracy theorists.

Damn why our fans are like that.

Use your brains and look what Wasim said.

Umpires actually saved our bowlers from getting hurt.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Pakistan will still win this World Cup

 

[Syed1]

No one wants an injury - but there seem to be some simple, common sense solutions.

1 - Outfield covers that "cover" the entire outfield...
2 - Longer time allowances for cutoff, given the floodlights at all venues (it's glorious now in Bristol, I'm told).
3 - Reserve days.

Shambles from the ICC.

The match was called off 40 mins BEFORE the cut off time. For the last 1.5 hours the groundstaff made no effort to dry the patches.

 

[Syed1]

This thread and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] is making all Pak fans look bad, a bunch of crybabies and conspiracy theorists.

Damn why our fans are like that.

Use your brains and look what Wasim said.

Umpires actually saved our bowlers from getting hurt.

I thought you were moving on?

 

[ekpakistani]

This thread and [MENTION=138254]Syed1[/MENTION] is making all Pak fans look bad, a bunch of crybabies and conspiracy theorists.

Damn why our fans are like that.

Use your brains and look what Wasim said.

Umpires actually saved our bowlers from getting hurt.

Pls do explain why decision to abandon the match was made at 3.46 when cutoff time was 4.15

Players safety is important and no one disagrees. However, given the time damp patch could have been fixed.. And it was reported that ground staff were twiddiling their thumbs at time when they should be making efforts to dry up the very same damp patch

So fans have every right to question and you can be on fan bashing brigade.. I have no qualms. However, do also call out the incompetence and questionable decisions made by ICC

 

[aloo paratha]

There's no conspiracy against us but it's pathetic that they weren't able to get the game started even though it stopped raining 2 hours prior.

 

[ARK Rafay]

What's the conspiracy? The patch was damp you saw the picture.

 

[WengerOut]

Incompetency doesn't sell as much as conspiracy. Like yesterday's umpiring, it always has to be a damn conspiracy by the illuminati.

 

[HitWicket]

1. Imposing a fine on Pakistan for slow over rate but not doing same against England although eng were close to 30 mins slower

Already pointed out numerous times that this isn't true at all. Pakistan were slower in bowling their overs than England.

Pls do explain why decision to abandon the match was made at 3.46 when cutoff time was 4.15

Games are regularly called off before their cut-off time if the work/draining required isn't deemed possible in the time remaining.

 

[ekpakistani]

Already pointed out numerous times that this isn't true at all. Pakistan were slower in bowling their overs than England.

England were 28 mins slower... Why did ICC not fine them? Please enlighten me.. I will wait

 

[ekpakistani]

Games are regularly called off before their cut-off time if the work/draining required isn't deemed possible in the time remaining.

Thus my point that ICC is bent upon destroying cricket. Is it also usual for ground staff to twiddle their thumbs and for umpires to give players out blindly..not one not twice but three times in space of few overs?

 

[HitWicket]

England were 28 mins slower... Why did ICC not fine them? Please enlighten me.. I will wait

Because that's false. Pakistan were approximately 10 minutes slower than England.

 

[Itachi]

This thread summarises why rest of the world believes Pakistan suffering from victim mentality.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Sounds like this is a conspiracy to defraud Pakistan and Pakistan cricket by the August cricket bodies. :

Very sinister indeed.

 

[ekpakistani]

Because that's false. Pakistan were approximately 10 minutes slower than England.

England weren't 28 mins slower? Or are you saying pk was 38 mins slower?

Just because pk was even slower than eng doesn't mean england shouldn't be fined too..

 

[ekpakistani]

This thread summarises why rest of the world believes Pakistan suffering from victim mentality.

"Wise one" has spoken

 

[HitWicket]

England weren't 28 mins slower? Or are you saying pk was 38 mins slower?

Just because pk was even slower than eng doesn't mean england shouldn't be fined too..

Pakistan were fined for being 1 over short. Pakistan took approximately 10 minutes longer to bowl their overs than England did.

 

[Hawkeye]

I thought you were moving on?

Gotta speak out for the sensible minority.

Otherwise the world would think we all are the same with the same victim mentality.

Pls do explain why decision to abandon the match was made at 3.46 when cutoff time was 4.15

It's regular practice. It's judged based on how much time will be required to get the ground ready, and possibility of more downpours.

It wasn't possible to play the match today.

Blame mother nature.

Not all the grounds are same in terms of drying up after a heavy downpour.

 

[Itachi]

"Wise one" has spoken

Ok. Let's cut the chase.

Let's assume ICC favors India because of course India brings more money to the table.

Why ICC will be biased for England and not Pakistan?

 

[ekpakistani]

Ok. Let's cut the chase.

Let's assume ICC favors India because of course India brings more money to the table.

Why ICC will be biased for England and not Pakistan?

So now you seem it to be your worthy to contribute on this thread. OK

Did you forget BIG 3 ? That was blatant back then and now its in background.

 

[Abu_Hamza]

Its surprising that PCB hasnt lodged a complaint against ICC till now as fans are feeling that Pak team has been victimised and robbed off their two points. Fans also want PCB to sue ICC for this as ICC doesnt want PAK to win this WC.

 

[Itachi]

So now you seem it to be your worthy to contribute on this thread. OK

Did you forget BIG 3 ? That was blatant back then and now its in background.

You didn't answer my question.

What I asked was, what ICC will gain for giving advantage to ECB rather than PCB?

 

[Itachi]

Its surprising that PCB hasnt lodged a complaint against ICC till now as fans are feeling that Pak team has been victimised and robbed off their two points. Fans also want PCB to sue ICC for this as ICC doesnt want PAK to win this WC.

I think you could put a petition on change.org ?

 

[Mainul]

In one way it is good omen for Pakistan. Same happened in 1992 also.

No. Today's match was against Srilanka against which Pakistan has 7-0 record in WC. But in 1992 Pakistan had a wash out against England after being all out for just 74 and earned a point from the jaw of sure defeat. Scenario is different

 

[marlonbrowndo]

The I in ICC stands for incompetent

 

[Stewie]

Move on nothing to see here.

Win all the remaining games. Nothing is impossible.. we beat England. We ca bet Australia, NZ, India, SA, BD and afghanistan. No biggie!
End of story...

 

[ekpakistani]

You didn't answer my question.

What I asked was, what ICC will gain for giving advantage to ECB rather than PCB?

If you are serious about discussing this.. You shud answer my question. As you have been make generalizations about pk fans...so come on be a sport..big 3 is still prevalent

Smaller boards have been scr*wd over... Look decisions that went against WI yesterday

Today's fiasco is a clear case where icc officials were incompetent... Why... Motive.. This is something that should be investigated. Wouldn't you agree?

I have many theories on motive but only a sound independent investigation can determine that

How can that even happen when folks like you are making generalizations... No wonder ICC gets away with so much

I am now waiting for you to make more generalizations and assumptions.. Pls prove me wrong

 

[Mamoon]

We will always find a reason to cry and shout conspiracy. It is part of who we are and we cannot help it.

However, the Bristol authorities need to be questioned. What happened today was farcical - in this day and age, you should have the means to make the field playable after two dry hours.

 

[Itachi]

If you are serious about discussing this.. You shud answer my question. As you have been make generalizations about pk fans...so come on be a sport..big 3 is still prevalent

Smaller boards have been scr*wd over... Look decisions that went against WI yesterday

Today's fiasco is a clear case where icc officials were incompetent... Why... Motive.. This is something that should be investigated. Wouldn't you agree?

I have many theories on motive but only a sound independent investigation can determine that

How can that even happen when folks like you are making generalizations... No wonder ICC gets away with so much

I am now waiting for you to make more generalizations and assumptions.. Pls prove me wrong

On one hand, you are saying ICC is incompetent.

Then you are saying they have a motive.

These two aspects doesn't go hand in hand. An incompetent person doesn't have a motive. He isn't able to do the required work because he is incompetent.

 

[wasimjunior]

Follow your own advice and move on. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Don’t want to get in trouble but this was mega mega dodgy

 

[PakLFC]

whats with the victim mentality? just win the next five out of six matches and you will be through. even winning four gives Pak an edge. don't mess up against NZ.. Losing to India will not have any impact but if Pak loses to NZ it will be difficult to qualify

But the weather for the Aussie match isn't looking that good hence the concern. I am more concerned about even playing the formidable Aussies then the average Indian's. Now don't start going on about your past WC record over us, your current team is nothing special. We need to defeat the Aussies, will worry about Kohli and co later.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

We will always find a reason to cry and shout conspiracy. It is part of who we are and we cannot help it.

However, the Bristol authorities need to be questioned. What happened today was farcical - in this day and age, you should have the means to make the field playable after two dry hours.

I am not being a conspiracy theorist or playing the victim despite your belief that you can read “inferior” minds. How can the competency of the authorities and the ICC not be questioned. This is the bloody World Cup

 

[ekpakistani]

On one hand, you are saying ICC is incompetent.

Then you are saying they have a motive.

These two aspects doesn't go hand in hand. An incompetent person doesn't have a motive. He isn't able to do the required work because he is incompetent.

As predicted.. Generalizations are back.. Good on you buddy.. Continue.. I am happy for you.

 

[ekpakistani]

I am not being a conspiracy theorist or playing the victim despite your belief that you can read “inferior” minds. How can the competency of the authorities and the ICC not be questioned. This is the bloody World Cup

I can explain that.




Its because Mamoon said so. To him only his opinion matters. Facts are only what he can come up with. Let him be..

 

[Itachi]

As predicted.. Generalizations are back.. Good on you buddy.. Continue.. I am happy for you.

It's not generalization.

I replied to the logics that you yourself mentioned.

Are you saying an incompetent person fails to do the required work with an intention?

 

[Mamoon]

I am not being a conspiracy theorist or playing the victim despite your belief that you can read “inferior” minds. How can the competency of the authorities and the ICC not be questioned. This is the bloody World Cup

As I said, what happened today was farcical and the ground staff needs to be questioned. This is Gloucestershire and ECB’s incompetence. I don’t think you can blame ICC for it.

 

[Ronaldo7]

As I said, what happened today was farcical and the ground staff needs to be questioned. This is Gloucestershire and ECB’s incompetence. I don’t think you can blame ICC for it.

Who makes the decision on who hosts what matches??

 

[Mamoon]

I can explain that.




Its because Mamoon said so. To him only his opinion matters. Facts are only what he can come up with. Let him be..

Reading my post properly will also help.

“We will always find a reason to cry and shout conspiracy. It is part of who we are and we cannot help it.

However, the Bristol authorities need to be questioned. What happened today was farcical - in this day and age, you should have the means to make the field playable after two dry hours.”

What do you want me to say? That Indian Cricket Council deliberately forced a washout so that the unpredictable cornered tigers do not win?

 

[ekpakistani]

It's not generalization.

I replied to the logics that you yourself mentioned.

Are you saying an incompetent person fails to do the required work with an intention?

You are generalizing... Talk specifics that were being discussed... I know you are keen to prove yourself to me... Try harder..

ICC is incompetent
ICC is controlled by Big 3

These two statements are not mutually exclusive

Not so hard to understand...

 

[Itachi]

Who makes the decision on who hosts what matches??

That should be ECB who most probably decides the venue.

 

[Itachi]

You are generalizing... Talk specifics that were being discussed... I know you are keen to prove yourself to me... Try harder..

ICC is incompetent
ICC is controlled by Big 3

These two statements are not mutually exclusive

Not so hard to understand...

Ok. Then direct question.

Is ICC incompetent or ICC is controlled by big 3?

 

[Mamoon]

Who makes the decision on who hosts what matches??

The ICC is not responsible for micromanagement. They cannot go to each ground in England and inspect if they have the means to professionally deal with heavy rain. It was ECB’s job to take prepare for these instances before the World Cup.

 

[ekpakistani]

Reading my post properly will also help.

“We will always find a reason to cry and shout conspiracy. It is part of who we are and we cannot help it.

However, the Bristol authorities need to be questioned. What happened today was farcical - in this day and age, you should have the means to make the field playable after two dry hours.”

What do you want me to say? That Indian Cricket Council deliberately forced a washout so that the unpredictable cornered tigers do not win?

Who is responsible for managing international cricket?

Who has organised the cricket world cup 2019?

Who set ridiculous rules on taking upto 90 minutes to do multiple inspections where they poke umbrellas in ground to test for dampness??

Simple questions.. If you avoid confirmation bias just for 5 seconds...

 

[ekpakistani]

Ok. Then direct question.

Is ICC incompetent or ICC is controlled by big 3?

Re read my post champ.. Answer is there... Perhaps read it slowly

 

[Mamoon]

Who is responsible for managing international cricket?

Who has organised the cricket world cup 2019?

Who set ridiculous rules on taking upto 90 minutes to do multiple inspections where they poke umbrellas in ground to test for dampness??

Simple questions.. If you avoid confirmation bias just for 5 seconds...

It is easy to blame ICC for everything, but they are not responsible for the incompetence of the Bristol staff. They gave ECB the hosting rights, and it was ECB’s job to make the necessary preparations.

 

[Rana]

Each washout means ICC must refund 100% of the tickets purchased.

They have to refund over £300k in ticket sales
They cannot reclaim the money invested in Broadcasting, pitch hire, accommodation of players and staff, pitch maintenance and many other expenditures.

The boards will still pay their players in full. The only loser here is the ICC, cut them some slack

 

[uberkoen]

Each washout means ICC must refund 100% of the tickets purchased.

They have to refund over £300k in ticket sales
They cannot reclaim the money invested in Broadcasting, pitch hire, accommodation of players and staff, pitch maintenance and many other expenditures.

The boards will still pay their players in full. The only loser here is the ICC, cut them some slack

This!

If only everyone here could think logically.

 

[PakLFC]

Those who are crying foul play should remember that the ICC or umpires have no control over rain. Conspiracy theorists will be reminded of this when a match not involving Pak is victim to weather as well. If Waz bhai is saying conditions were unplayable then that is good enough for me.

 

[JaDed]

This is why England is the worst place for cricket and have never liked as a viewer probably i have bias against it , I don’t like the flat Aus pitches but the grounds over there are amazing, SA and BD are other venues where the matches get played well.

 

[Itachi]

Re read my post champ.. Answer is there... Perhaps read it slowly

Why the fear? If you believe something is truth and fact, why you can't say it on face?

I asked a simple question with two options based upon the information that you yourself have provided.

Yet you are still avoiding to answer a simple question.

 

[junoon]

There is nothing wrong with having a victim mentality when it is because of reality.

I have been watching cricket since 1996, and i am convinced that the reason why most marginal umpiring decisions go against us is because of racism. Also fines and bans for things like slow overrates are selectively applied against Pakistan

 

[Mp812]

What surprised me is that they had 1 hr and 15 minutes. Why the hell wasnt that patch cleaned up????

It was ground staffs lunch time and break time. Bad luck

 

[Loralai]

Very unfortunate but we have to accept what has happened and move on now. One does wonder why with two hours the ground and drainage system couldn't be sorted and made ready for play, but there is no point complaining about it. We have to accept that we just have to win every game from now on if we want to progress.

 

[Harshu814]

Usual victim mentality on display, if u ask me they did favour by giving pak 1 point , pak lost to afg in practice match, sl beat afg ,so sl would have rolled over pak,even in asia cup pak hardly won after lankans drop tons of dollies at end. Already started foul play while i was keen to see lankans get thier fisrt win against team who lost 11 of thier last 12 odis, but hey arrogance on display here is pathetic

 

[Ronaldo7]

Usual victim mentality on display, if u ask me they did favour by giving pak 1 point , pak lost to afg in practice match, sl beat afg ,so sl would have rolled over pak,even in asia cup pak hardly won after lankans drop tons of dollies at end. Already started foul play while i was keen to see lankans get thier fisrt win against team who lost 11 of thier last 12 odis, but hey arrogance on display here is pathetic

What Asia cup match??
Lol at you saying SL would have rolled over pak. )
Ignorance smh.

 

[Syed1]

Usual victim mentality on display, if u ask me they did favour by giving pak 1 point , pak lost to afg in practice match, sl beat afg ,so sl would have rolled over pak,even in asia cup pak hardly won after lankans drop tons of dollies at end. Already started foul play while i was keen to see lankans get thier fisrt win against team who lost 11 of thier last 12 odis, but hey arrogance on display here is pathetic

No the only thing on display is your ignorance

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Sri Lankan stadiums have much better drainage system than England.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Usual victim mentality on display, if u ask me they did favour by giving pak 1 point , pak lost to afg in practice match, sl beat afg ,so sl would have rolled over pak,even in asia cup pak hardly won after lankans drop tons of dollies at end. Already started foul play while i was keen to see lankans get thier fisrt win against team who lost 11 of thier last 12 odis, but hey arrogance on display here is pathetic

You can always watch SL vs Afghan match where SL got their first win.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Sri Lankan stadiums have much better drainage system than England.

It's criminal for a World Cup venue to not have adequate drainage facilities. The county in question should be slapped with a fine, otherwise such incidents will continue to happen in the near future.

Right now this seems immaterial, maybe, but this 1 point might mean Pakistan/Sri Lanka miss out on a semi-final spot.

 

[barah_admi]

Conspiracy or not it is unacceptable that more care was not taken to dry out the outfield and a damn shame in the modern game that this could be allowed to develop.

 

[Mp812]

With hail expected in the evening, and the unrelenting rain, the umpires and the officials decided to call off the match after a wait of over five hours given that the outfield and the weather showed no signs of improvement, and were certainly not fit for play.

 

[Harshu814]

What Asia cup match??
Lol at you saying SL would have rolled over pak. )
Ignorance smh.

My bad , was talking about pakvSL champ trophy match , well i know they wouldnt have rolled over but they sure have an edge , when pak fans can say it was easy 2 points why sl fans cant use roll over?

 

[Ronaldo7]

My bad , was talking about pakvSL champ trophy match , well i know they wouldnt have rolled over but they sure have an edge , when pak fans can say it was easy 2 points why sl fans cant use roll over?

If the pak vs eng match had been washed out, these people would have said the same thing.
"2 easy points for Eng"
Sri lanka could have won this match but that doesn't mean Pak weren't favourites beforehand.

 

[Harshu814]

You can always watch SL vs Afghan match where SL got their first win.

When everyteam is winning against particular team(afg) thier exsistance
in this wc and getting a win against them doesnt feel like a win, win is reffered as against actual teams with atleast 1 trophy under belt

 

[Harshu814]

If the pak vs eng match had been washed out, these people would have said the same thing.
"2 easy points for Eng"
Sri lanka could have won this match but that doesn't mean Pak weren't favourites beforehand.

How were they favourites? Its totally debatable. Sl has same chance of winning ,if pak fans can say they lost 2 easy points why cant it be used otherway around?

Tho yeh fans will always be this way i get ur point