[PICTURE/VIDEO] The "NO-BALL" bowled to Virat Kohli by Mohammad Nawaz

[jnaveen1980]

Masla is an integral part of India/Pakistan encounters It is certainly one of the best India/Pakistan encounters in history as both were in the game right till the very last ball. That is what I will remember. India is going to get kicked out at some point and they will go home. We are not a good T20 side.

 

[Runner Up]

What line? Read the law again. Nowhere it mentions that the batsman has to be inside the crease.

No ball referral? Is that even allowed, unless there is a dismissal.

I thought umpires often check the above waist high balls through TV umpires before calling it a NO BALL.

 

[GreenKhan]

Naah someone making Mickey of others on internet.
The ICC rule on the dead ball says:

"20.1.1 The ball becomes dead when 20.1.1.1 it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.

20.1.1.2 a boundary is scored. See clause 19.7 (Runs scored from boundaries).

20.1.1.3 a batter is dismissed. The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.

However, on a free hit, a batsman can get out only in four ways i.e. Handled the ball, Hit the ball twice, Obstructing the field and Run out. Since none of these happened so 20.1.1.3 wasn't applicable in this case.

This rule is not referring to being bowled on a free hit. If bowled on a free hit , it becomes a dead ball .
Obv

 

[jnaveen1980]

Good luck to Pakistan against SA.

 

[GreenKhan]

Naah someone making Mickey of others on internet.
The ICC rule on the dead ball says:

"20.1.1 The ball becomes dead when 20.1.1.1 it is finally settled in the hands of the wicket-keeper or of the bowler.

20.1.1.2 a boundary is scored. See clause 19.7 (Runs scored from boundaries).

20.1.1.3 a batter is dismissed. The ball will be deemed to be dead from the instant of the incident causing the dismissal.

However, on a free hit, a batsman can get out only in four ways i.e. Handled the ball, Hit the ball twice, Obstructing the field and Run out. Since none of these happened so 20.1.1.3 wasn't applicable in this case.

This rule is not referring to being bowled on a free hit. If bowled on a free hit , it becomes a dead ball .
Obviously he’s not out as it’s a free hit but the runs should not count .

 

[cricketjoshila]

What about the law below ?


LAW-42.6(B) relates to Bowling of High Full Pitched balls. (i) Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

(ii) A slow delivery which passes or would have passed on the full above shoulder height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

This is about dangerous bowling. If you bowl 1 such delivery you are warned. You are out of the attack after the second one.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This rule is not referring to being bowled on a free hit. If bowled on a free hit , it becomes a dead ball .
Obv

No it doesn't.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I thought umpires often check the above waist high balls through TV umpires before calling it a NO BALL.

I think its only in case of a dismissal.

 

[Major]

Why will third umpire give decision? Can a decision.of No ball be referred to the third umpire if it isn't a dismissal? Go check the rules.

Kohli was at the popping crease.

third umpires check no ball,

especially when its marginal.

plus, erasmus didnt make decision upfront, he made it based on memory

 

[Local.Dada]

I thought umpires often check the above waist high balls through TV umpires before calling it a NO BALL.

Have you heard something about a soft signal by the square leg umpire?

Unbelievable people are asking elementary questions despite watching a lot of cricket over the years.

 

[Mas-LFC]

People are upset because Kohli asked umpire to give it a No Ball. Should have been referred to third umpire.

When Kohli asked. I knew it would be given no ball. It was going one way. These Umpires earn the bread and butter in IPL. Imagine if it wasnt given no ball and India lost the outrage from Indian fans. They would lose their ipl contracts, even from icc too. The umpire didn’t even review it, because they knew it might be close. But given it on field by themselves was easier for them to save their jobs!

 

[Punjab Kings]

Being a fan of Indian cricket I accept this win and will take these kind of posts like icing on the cake I am going to eat today

Even i would have celebrated our teams win ,if it have come in a fair way....
It reminds me of my çhildhood memories when we used to play cricket and a Gunda (powerful) person used his power to decide the rules whether we should play or not... if any player is out or not....

 

[cricketjoshila]

third umpires check no ball,

especially when its marginal.

plus, erasmus didnt make decision upfront, he made it based on memory

Or he waited for the ball to dead?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not a no ball imo.

But thats cricket, sometimes things go your way. Sometimes they dont.

He smoked it out of the stadium anyway.

We lost the match before this over.

 

[Major]

Have you heard something about a soft signal by the square leg umpire?

Unbelievable people are asking elementary questions despite watching a lot of cricket over the years.

soft signals are given on out not on no ball

 

[Major]

Or he waited for the ball to dead?

on field umpires dont give no ball decision after the ball is dead. They do it real time, once the ball is dead than the decision is made on memory. this is why often such decision are given to third umpire to decide as they have recording to look at.

congrats to India for cheating a win

 

[cricketjoshila]

on field umpires dont give no ball decision after the ball is dead. They do it real time, once the ball is dead than the decision is made on memory. this is why often such decision are given to third umpire to decide as they have recording to look at.

congrats to India for cheating a win

Please post such a law. When the ball is in play, the umpires got to watch the ball.

 

[reversehook]

we deserved the loss... slap the bowler for bowling two of those in the over... also the captain and the other 2 for conceding 15-16 per over...

 

[Oneking]

No ball or not DOESNT matter anymore, but MVP Should have given to Nawaz

 

[Local.Dada]

As far as the topic, it’s like opening a thread for every drs review or marginal call. Nothing to discuss here apart from a few mins during match when it happened.

 

[HitWicket]

As a neutral I think it was quite clearly a poor decision. The ball still had 1.5m to travel to reach the popping crease. Being bowled by a spinner it quite clearly would've dropped the very small distance it needed to to be below the waist.

 

[aamir]

"Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is to be deemed to be unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker. If the bowler bowls such a delivery the umpire shall immediately call and signal No ball."

The spinner's ball had to travel a good 5 plus feet to the popping crease. You cannot consider a straight line from the point of contact to crease for judging the no-ball, nor the simple continuation of the ball's trajectory to the crease. You need to consider that the ball is losing energy exponentially and dipping. It would have clearly hit him on the thigh pads.

If this was just a bad call from the umpire it would have been one thing. But for the batsmen to pressure the umpire and the umpire yielding to the pressure is unacceptable.

I do not understand the logic of "but Pakistan gave the game away themselves", "Nawaz bowled poorly", "a fourth seamer should have been selected", etc. While all that might be true, it really is irrelevant. The game should be played on a level playing field and somehow when India is involved it is never a level playing field. Do you want this kind pathetic display to decide the World Cup. What if this was the final? The umpires and the ICC need to show some spine!

Also what a pathetic rule, you get your middle stump uprooted (albeit on a free-hit) and yet you get to make 3 runs! Why not! Here is an idea, why stop there, don't field the ball, since the ball evidently won't be declared dead and did not go over the fence, Virat could technically run forever and score the first triple century in T20s!! Would be an appropriate end to the farce.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As a neutral I think it was quite clearly a poor decision. The ball still had 1.5m to travel to reach the popping crease. Being bowled by a spinner it quite clearly would've dropped the very small distance it needed to to be below the waist.

The popping crease was 1.5mts from the point of contact?

 

[cricketjoshila]

"Any delivery, which passes or would have passed, without pitching, above waist height of the striker standing upright at the popping crease, is to be deemed to be unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker. If the bowler bowls such a delivery the umpire shall immediately call and signal No ball."

The spinner's ball had to travel a good 5 plus feet to the popping crease. You cannot consider a straight line from the point of contact to crease for judging the no-ball, nor the simple continuation of the ball's trajectory to the crease. You need to consider that the ball is losing energy exponentially and dipping. It would have clearly hit him on the thigh pads.

If this was just a bad call from the umpire it would have been one thing. But for the batsmen to pressure the umpire and the umpire yielding to the pressure is unacceptable.

I do not understand the logic of "but Pakistan gave the game away themselves", "Nawaz bowled poorly", "a fourth seamer should have been selected", etc. While all that might be true, it really is irrelevant. The game should be played on a level playing field and somehow when India is involved it is never a level playing field. Do you want this kind pathetic display to decide the World Cup. What if this was the final? The umpires and the ICC need to show some spine!

Also what a pathetic rule, you get your middle stump uprooted (albeit on a free-hit) and yet you get to make 3 runs! Why not! Here is an idea, why stop there, don't field the ball, since the ball evidently won't be declared dead and did not go over the fence, Virat could technically run forever and score the first triple century in T20s!! Would be an appropriate end to the farce.

Let's change the rules because pakistan lost.

 

[HitWicket]

Doesn't matter.

Kohli was at the popping crease. The ball was waist high when it made contact.

No Ball.

Kohli was touching the popping crease but he was not stood upright at it. The ball still had 1.5m to travel to the popping crease.

The popping crease was 1.5mts from the point of contact?

Correct.

 

[ArunOnline]

Cheating by India? Virat Kohli was asking about the no ball because of height which is clear in the picture and he wasn’t pouncing down the pitch. So he was right to ask as he went by the height. Umpire did not go to 3rd umpire to check the foot behind crease since Kohli did not come down the pitch and looked marginal, they probably did not think about that. If the umpires were Indians then at-least can understand when one claims that India cheated, but they are not even Indian?

 

[Runner Up]

I have asked this question to many people here and on Twitter but no one has responded yet.

If it was referred to TV Umpire, what would have been the result?

 

[latecut]

Let's change the rules because pakistan lost.

Hahaha. It is just the first match. One team had to lose. The loss came on the last ball so there was no harm to NRR for Pakistan. Same would have been the case for India had they lost by a few runs. Just think of Australia. They lost their first match by 89 runs. If it came down to NRR, Australia are in big trouble already, which is not the case for Pakistan.

 

[Local.Dada]

I have asked this question to many people here and on Twitter but no one has responded yet.

If it was referred to TV Umpire, what would have been the result?

You can go back in history and bring up several coulda woulda shoulda. This was a marginal call and these things happen.

I would say Rizwan’s injury breaks were worse for the spirit of the game and when Indian team complained it was fair but no one held that as reason for india losing.

You can run several scenarios in the head, in the end call went in Indias favor and we still made the remaining runs. That’s all there is to it

 

[Major]

Please post such a law. When the ball is in play, the umpires got to watch the ball.

its how the game works.

you can also post a law where it says that a batsmen standing outside his popping crease can claim a no ball if its over his waist

 

[cricketjoshila]

I will put my hand up and say this,

India won, but pakistan has the better all round team for this tournament.

Pakistan lost to the genius of Virat Kohli, but then there is only one Kohli.

 

[Major]

Let's change the rules because pakistan lost.

you shouldnt whine about that because we saw tournament formats change when India lost 2007 and even rules change when during mid 2011 world cup the 2.5 meter rule wass added

 

[cricketjoshila]

its how the game works.

you can also post a law where it says that a batsmen standing outside his popping crease can claim a no ball if its over his waist

I posted the law. The law say it has to be at the popping crease, not inside it.

 

[latecut]

I will put my hand up and say this,

India won, but pakistan has the better all round team for this tournament.

Pakistan lost to the genius of Virat Kohli, but then there is only one Kohli.

Pakistan looked like winning till 38 overs and 4 balls. It is in the last eight deliveries that India miraculously turned the match on its head.

 

[aamir]

Let's change the rules because pakistan lost.

No let's change the free-hit rule because it is a stupid rule. Just how stupid was highlighted in this game.

Anyways this post was really about the 'BCCI Magic No ball.'

 

[Major]

I have asked this question to many people here and on Twitter but no one has responded yet.

If it was referred to TV Umpire, what would have been the result?

no one knows.

But whatever the decision would had been, we would had accepted it because the TV umpire is using replays to make the correct decision. He is using the technology available.

Erasmus made decision based on memory. When he was looking at the ball, he didnt raise for no ball. The ball goes for six, he turns his head around to look at the six. When he turns back and see Kohli signalling for a no ball. He obliges and gives it.

My take is that, when you judge a waist height no ball, you look at two things, whether the batsman is out of his crease or not and whether the ball was dipping and where was the ball at the point of contact. Now we have to believe that the Leg umpire saw all these three things in real time? Same leg umpire who needs to use thrid umpire for a stump or run out decision?

The tv umpire could had made a better and more accurate decision because he would had taken all three tings in to consideration before giving his decision. He would had used replay and not rely on the memory where some pieces might have missed like where the batter was standing.

Had the TV umpire made the call, we would had not have an issue with it.

Its better if MCC or ICC makes a statement tomr regarding the decision like they did on DHarmasenas in 2019 world cup to clear things up.

 

[cricketjoshila]

you shouldnt whine about that because we saw tournament formats change when India lost 2007 and even rules change when during mid 2011 world cup the 2.5 meter rule wass added

Pakistan lost in 2007 WC. So?

2.5mt rule was always there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...-drs-rule-for-consistency-504570?platform=amp

 

[cricketjoshila]

No let's change the free-hit rule because it is a stupid rule. Just how stupid was highlighted in this game.

Anyways this post was really about the 'BCCI Magic No ball.'

Why is it stupid? You can run a bye if you are bowled of a no ball..same applies here.

 

[Local.Dada]

I will put my hand up and say this,

India won, but pakistan has the better all round team for this tournament.

Pakistan lost to the genius of Virat Kohli, but then there is only one Kohli.

Absolutely. They have a much superior fast bowling attack compared to India in T20 and no shame in admitting that. Dare I say a better fielding side too.

 

[uppercut]

you shouldnt whine about that because we saw tournament formats change when India lost 2007 and even rules change when during mid 2011 world cup the 2.5 meter rule wass added

BCCI was actually against the 2007 T20 WC it all changed after the final though ... and the 2.5 mtr rule for Hawkeye ball tracking had nothing to do with India ... and again if you recall India was a staunch opponent of technology for a long time.

 

[Local.Dada]

Why is it stupid? You can run a bye if you are bowled of a no ball..same applies here.

Not only that, when the ball ricochets off the stumps during direct hit, the ball is not a dead ball. Players can still run.

I am amazed what an Ind-Pak game does to people who watch cricket regularly and seem to know more rules and stats than the players themselves.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

I am sure if that wasn't a No ball, Pakistan would have lost from 7 off 2 as well.

What hurts probably is 6 off 3 then 5 off 3 and then 2 off 2 as he got bowled and Pakistani fans couldn't understand why Indians kept running.

It is a 50 50 call.

But since Pakistan lost, we will NEVER hear the end of it.

Had Pakistan still somehow won, this no ball thread would have gone into oblivion.



P.S A quick check at the poll suggests that it's a 50 50 call also with all Indian fans thinking its a no ball and Pakistanis thinking not.

Which tells us all you need to know.

It's not a CLEAR BLUNDER as some folks want to believe.

 

[Major]

I posted the law. The law say it has to be at the popping crease, not inside it.

the law also states being upright. He was no inside the popping crease. He was on the line which would also be a stump or run out in that case.

 

[Major]

I am sure if that wasn't a No ball, Pakistan would have lost from 7 off 2 as well.

What hurts probably is 6 off 3 then 5 off 3 and then 2 off 2 as he got bowled and Pakistani fans couldn't understand why Indians kept running.

It is a 50 50 call.

But since Pakistan lost, we will NEVER hear the end of it.

Had Pakistan still somehow won, this no ball thread would have gone into oblivion.



P.S A quick check at the poll suggests that it's a 50 50 call also with all Indian fans thinking its a no ball and Pakistanis thinking not.

Which tells us all you need to know.

It's not a CLEAR BLUNDER as some folks want to believe.

bhai, it was a wrong call, and yes it would had made a difference.

Had it been India at the recieving end, a thread would had been made still. I still accept that the free hit byes count.

No one is making claims just because we lost, we lost important points just because of a decision by an umpire who did not use technology.

Going by the logic you present, we should not complain about any wrong decision against a batter because it wont make a difference.

Next ball, free hit or not, kohli was gonna strike either way and we saw it hit the wicket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

the law also states being upright. He was no inside the popping crease. He was on the line which would also be a stump or run out in that case.

He was not stumped or run out because the ball was hit for a six.

Nowhere it says he has to be inside the crease.

He was not bending either.

 

[Major]

Pakistan lost in 2007 WC. So?

2.5mt rule was always there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.es...-drs-rule-for-consistency-504570?platform=amp

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...aks-2-5-metre-drs-rule-for-consistency-504570
the 2.5 meter rule

and, world cup format was changed for India to make sure they make it in easily.

Pakistan lost but formats were not changed for them.

So please next time claiming that changes should be made in favour of Pakistan, you should know this has happened twice in Indias favour

 

[Runner Up]

no one knows.

But whatever the decision would had been, we would had accepted it because the TV umpire is using replays to make the correct decision. He is using the technology available.

Erasmus made decision based on memory. When he was looking at the ball, he didnt raise for no ball. The ball goes for six, he turns his head around to look at the six. When he turns back and see Kohli signalling for a no ball. He obliges and gives it.

My take is that, when you judge a waist height no ball, you look at two things, whether the batsman is out of his crease or not and whether the ball was dipping and where was the ball at the point of contact. Now we have to believe that the Leg umpire saw all these three things in real time? Same leg umpire who needs to use thrid umpire for a stump or run out decision?

The tv umpire could had made a better and more accurate decision because he would had taken all three tings in to consideration before giving his decision. He would had used replay and not rely on the memory where some pieces might have missed like where the batter was standing.

Had the TV umpire made the call, we would had not have an issue with it.

Its better if MCC or ICC makes a statement tomr regarding the decision like they did on DHarmasenas in 2019 world cup to clear things up.

Good post. Agreed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

bhai, it was a wrong call, and yes it would had made a difference.

Had it been India at the recieving end, a thread would had been made still. I still accept that the free hit byes count.

No one is making claims just because we lost, we lost important points just because of a decision by an umpire who did not use technology.

Going by the logic you present, we should not complain about any wrong decision against a batter because it wont make a difference.

Next ball, free hit or not, kohli was gonna strike either way and we saw it hit the wicket.

You don't know what Kohli would have done.

 

[Major]

He was not stumped or run out because the ball was hit for a six.

Nowhere it says he has to be inside the crease.

He was not bending either.

if he was being stumped or run out the line would had been considered and so should in the no ball

also, he was not upright, go back to op to check

 

[Major]

You don't know what Kohli would have done.

you dont know either, which is why now the result stands tainted. Maybe India could had won fairly, too bad they did not

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...aks-2-5-metre-drs-rule-for-consistency-504570
the 2.5 meter rule

and, world cup format was changed for India to make sure they make it in easily.

Pakistan lost but formats were not changed for them.

So please next time claiming that changes should be made in favour of Pakistan, you should know this has happened twice in Indias favour

Rule changed to make sure India made it easy?

 

[asadee]

What's the point now we lost let's move on

 

[cricketjoshila]

you dont know either, which is why now the result stands tainted. Maybe India could had won fairly, too bad they did not

India won fairly. I don't see anything about it being unfair in the record books. Do you?

 

[Snowflake]

Never seen umpires give these no balls on spinners. Also, we saw that he clearly got pressured into it as he didn't signal immediately and only after Kohli's insistence.

Regardless, we would've lost. So, nbd

 

[Local.Dada]

you dont know either, which is why now the result stands tainted. Maybe India could had won fairly, too bad they did not

So what’s the solution, have a * next to the 2 points or get only 1.5 points for win via umpiring error ( considering your logic).

 

[Major]

India won fairly. I don't see anything about it being unfair in the record books. Do you?

history stands. Pakistan drew a test series with West Indies, but it is still remembered as the series where Pakistan would had won had it not been umpires giving unfair decisions against Pakistan.

 

[uppercut]

bhai, it was a wrong call, and yes it would had made a difference.

Had it been India at the recieving end, a thread would had been made still. I still accept that the free hit byes count.

No one is making claims just because we lost, we lost important points just because of a decision by an umpire who did not use technology.

Going by the logic you present, we should not complain about any wrong decision against a batter because it wont make a difference.

Next ball, free hit or not, kohli was gonna strike either way and we saw it hit the wicket.

regardless .... the last hit by Ashwin was a 4 when the ask was just 1 run. The scorecard shows it as just 1 of last ball due to rule that says if you run a single before the ball hits the boundary rope and it ends the match then thats what counts in final analysis. But if the 3 byes were to be not given the last ball would count as 4 runs.

 

[ex-q-zit]

This rule is not referring to being bowled on a free hit. If bowled on a free hit , it becomes a dead ball .
Obv

It becomes a dead ball only if batsmen is out. On a free hit the batsman cannot get bowled out. So the runs were legal. You can debate about the laws but what happened in the match was within the laws.

 

[asifp]

We know he would have gotten bowled.

 

[saeedhk]

Even if we disregard the no-ball, Kohli would have win it for India because this man has tremendous self-belief!

Even if 40 runs were required, Kohli would have got them somehow. We all see how Kohli was smiling and looking composed when India required 50 odd from 3 years as he knew he would do it! This guy is from a different planet!

On the other hand, Pakistani batsmen get panicky when they have to get 12 from two overs.

 

[fitCricFan]

history stands. Pakistan drew a test series with West Indies, but it is still remembered as the series where Pakistan would had won had it not been umpires giving unfair decisions against Pakistan.

Would doesn't equate to did. I remember the series and yes it was drawn. That's how it is recorded in the books and that's how it will be remembered. Trump harping that he won doesn't mean he did, no matter how many times he retorts it

 

[cricketjoshila]

history stands. Pakistan drew a test series with West Indies, but it is still remembered as the series where Pakistan would had won had it not been umpires giving unfair decisions against Pakistan.

Where is that mentioned? ICC? MCC?

 

[saeedhk]

India won it fair and square! No questions about it!The no-ball is a bit debatable and that is it.

 

[Smbhayi]

What about the law below ?


LAW-42.6(B) relates to Bowling of High Full Pitched balls. (i) Any delivery, other than a slow paced one, which passes or would have passed on the full above waist height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

(ii) A slow delivery which passes or would have passed on the full above shoulder height of the striker standing upright at the crease is to be deemed dangerous and unfair, whether or not it is likely to inflict physical injury on the striker.

Check this, is any of this above shoulder or dangerous?

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[Dr_Bassim]

bhai, it was a wrong call, and yes it would had made a difference.

Had it been India at the recieving end, a thread would had been made still. I still accept that the free hit byes count.

No one is making claims just because we lost, we lost important points just because of a decision by an umpire who did not use technology.

Going by the logic you present, we should not complain about any wrong decision against a batter because it wont make a difference.

Next ball, free hit or not, kohli was gonna strike either way and we saw it hit the wicket.

No, you don't know IF it would have made a difference or not.

You are assuming that Nawaz would have bowled the same ball and Kohli would have gone for the same shot at 7 off 2.

Since, we have NO CLUE what would have happened, you CANT ARGUE THAT INDIA WON UNFAIRLY.

The best you can argue is the "marginal call went against us" which made India favorites to win and had it not Pakistan would have remained with a better chance.

And you can't slag Indias victory because Umpires decided the no ball.

Not Indian fans.

The victory is only tainted at Pakpassion by the way.

I saw a great game and there must be a winner and loser.

But since you are dissecting so finally LET ME ASSURE you you can't also claim that if no ball was not called Pakistan would have won.

You are just sitting on assumptions.

Fact : It was an epic game

Fact : It was a marginal call

Fact : India won

Rest : Excuses as to why Pakistan lost. ( umpires, IPL contracts, Kohli)

 

[Oxfordchamp]

No, you don't know IF it would have made a difference or not.

You are assuming that Nawaz would have bowled the same ball and Kohli would have gone for the same shot at 7 off 2.

Since, we have NO CLUE what would have happened, you CANT ARGUE THAT INDIA WON UNFAIRLY.

The best you can argue is the "marginal call went against us" which made India favorites to win and had it not Pakistan would have remained with a better chance.

And you can't slag Indias victory because Umpires decided the no ball.

Not Indian fans.

The victory is only tainted at Pakpassion by the way.

I saw a great game and there must be a winner and loser.

But since you are dissecting so finally LET ME ASSURE you you can't also claim that if no ball was not called Pakistan would have won.

You are just sitting on assumptions.

Fact : It was an epic game

Fact : It was a marginal call

Fact : India won

Rest : Excuses as to why Pakistan lost. ( umpires, IPL contracts, Kohli)

Sir .hats off for this post ..you absolutely nailed it .

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Can someone post side angle photo of Rizwan's six against Shami in last T20 WC which was not given no ball and Rizwan happily accepted the decision.

Just wanted to see how high that was, should be good comparison.

 

[Major]

No, you don't know IF it would have made a difference or not.

You are assuming that Nawaz would have bowled the same ball and Kohli would have gone for the same shot at 7 off 2.

Since, we have NO CLUE what would have happened, you CANT ARGUE THAT INDIA WON UNFAIRLY.

The best you can argue is the "marginal call went against us" which made India favorites to win and had it not Pakistan would have remained with a better chance.

And you can't slag Indias victory because Umpires decided the no ball.

Not Indian fans.

The victory is only tainted at Pakpassion by the way.

I saw a great game and there must be a winner and loser.

But since you are dissecting so finally LET ME ASSURE you you can't also claim that if no ball was not called Pakistan would have won.

You are just sitting on assumptions.

Fact : It was an epic game

Fact : It was a marginal call

Fact : India won

Rest : Excuses as to why Pakistan lost. ( umpires, IPL contracts, Kohli)

the result will obviously get assumed. There is no surety aswell Kohli would had chased that.

We all saw Nawaz hit the stumps of Kohli and had it not been a free hit would had happened because he was gonna strike either way.

the win becomes tainted. It has nothing to do with Pakpassion. Older posters talk about the Pakistan vs WEst indies test series which ended a draw but it always stayed tainted because of the wrong umpiring.

Had it not been a no Ball, the required would had been 7 off 2 balls going either way. One wrong call, meant 6 needed off 3. Yes, results could had gone either way, but the result would had not been tainted. Now it is.

Point being, accept it that its a wrong call which left the game being tainted. Simple.

You are acting as if its ok that a wrong decision was made and so be it. Doesnt matter, dont discuss about it.

Before the match, I kept saying it doesnt matter we dont have any Pakistani or neutral commentators in the commentator box. But after this decision took place, I came to realize through the pavilion show, Waseem Akram said that when this howler happened, the Indian commies they tried to downplay this whole decision, didnt want to talk about it and moved on. Had we been there we would had discussed the decision right there. And I realized how having neutral or commies from both sides matter today, because atleast they can speak up about wrong decisions there at the front.

Atleast call out what is wrong so that future games dont get affected or laws can be more refined. Its not about the past which is done, its about making the laws more refined. The past will stay tainted as it is

 

[Dr_Bassim]

the result will obviously get assumed. There is no surety aswell Kohli would had chased that.

We all saw Nawaz hit the stumps of Kohli and had it not been a free hit would had happened because he was gonna strike either way.

the win becomes tainted. It has nothing to do with Pakpassion. Older posters talk about the Pakistan vs WEst indies test series which ended a draw but it always stayed tainted because of the wrong umpiring.

Had it not been a no Ball, the required would had been 7 off 2 balls going either way. One wrong call, meant 6 needed off 3. Yes, results could had gone either way, but the result would had not been tainted. Now it is.

Point being, accept it that its a wrong call which left the game being tainted. Simple.

You are acting as if its ok that a wrong decision was made and so be it. Doesnt matter, dont discuss about it.

Before the match, I kept saying it doesnt matter we dont have any Pakistani or neutral commentators in the commentator box. But after this decision took place, I came to realize through the pavilion show, Waseem Akram said that when this howler happened, the Indian commies they tried to downplay this whole decision, didnt want to talk about it and moved on. Had we been there we would had discussed the decision right there. And I realized how having neutral or commies from both sides matter today, because atleast they can speak up about wrong decisions there at the front.

Atleast call out what is wrong so that future games dont get affected or laws can be more refined. Its not about the past which is done, its about making the laws more refined. The past will stay tainted as it is

Who is tainting the victory ?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Who is tainting the victory ?

Most of the non Indian cricketing world tbh.

And its funny because its usually Indians who complain Englands world cup victory is tainted

 

[Major]

Can someone post side angle photo of Rizwan's six against Shami in last T20 WC which was not given no ball and Rizwan happily accepted the decision.

Just wanted to see how high that was, should be good comparison.

dont have side angle. Remember Bhogle saying that it doesnt matter

 

[Local.Dada]

Most of the non Indian cricketing world tbh.

And its funny because its usually Indians who complain Englands world cup victory is tainted

Because this game was not won in most wickets or some crap like that in a farce.

marginal decisions are not seen as a big deal, in fact leave alone marginal like this one even some poor calls are seen as part of the game.

As I said the op is being jazbaati here. Must be one hell of a patriot because most seem to have moved on.

 

[shokz1408]

It was bizarre, shouldn’t have been a no ball after looking at the pictures, he’s completely out his crease. The umpires didn’t give a no ball, kohli asked and the umpire then decided to give. It was strange.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Most of the non Indian cricketing world tbh.

And its funny because its usually Indians who complain Englands world cup victory is tainted

Not really.

Obviously, Pakistani forum might be a bit emotional now.

But you have to stand up and cheer at the last years of Kohli, when he has played an ATG knock.

Tomorrow, when you see the highlights you will realize he pulled off a heist in broad daylight, defied the improbable and made the target when India were dead.

Taints won't be remembered 5 years from now.

ATG innings will.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Because this game was not won in most wickets or some crap like that in a farce.

marginal decisions are not seen as a big deal, in fact leave alone marginal like this one even some poor calls are seen as part of the game.

As I said the op is being jazbaati here. Must be one hell of a patriot because most seem to have moved on.

This game was potentially won on a false no ball and a tukka 3 runs.

But Indians to this day give Stokes stick for the ball hitting his bat, and complaib more than anything about that world cup

In both instances rules are rules yet as you said one is 'farce' and the other is 'part of the game'

 

[Executioner]

I am a neutral here And I will try to remain unbiased. Here are my 2 cents

1) Axar Patel - it was most likely the gloves mowing down the stumps rather than the ball.

2) This was not a no ball, it was somewhat marginal and could have gone either way but generally these aren't called no balls traditionally. If Kohli was upright it would have been below his waist and based on the projection that would have gone on to hit the bails IMO. Tough luck for Pakistan but fantastic game. I don't think there is any foul play here.

Having said that, the no ball wasn't called early so it felt like the umps were pressurized into it subconsciously with Kohli signaling no-ball.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not really.

Obviously, Pakistani forum might be a bit emotional now.

But you have to stand up and cheer at the last years of Kohli, when he has played an ATG knock.

Tomorrow, when you see the highlights you will realize he pulled off a heist in broad daylight, defied the improbable and made the target when India were dead.

Taints won't be remembered 5 years from now.

ATG innings will.

He played exceptionally well, can't take anything away from him.

You can cheer tomorrow if you want. I'm fine lol.

 

[Local.Dada]

This game was potentially won on a false no ball and a tukka 3 runs.

But Indians to this day give Stokes stick for the ball hitting his bat, and complaib more than anything about that world cup

In both instances rules are rules yet as you said one is 'farce' and the other is 'part of the game'

Did this game end in a tie? Am I missing something?

England won when Nzl didn’t lose. No one brings out the overthrows as unfair. It was part of the game. The overall super farce was what it was.

Anyway you want to look for a crutch be my guest. I will take 1.8 points with an * if that pleases you most fans will

 

[ex-q-zit]

This should clearly the controversy around the waist height

 

[Major]

Not really.

Obviously, Pakistani forum might be a bit emotional now.

But you have to stand up and cheer at the last years of Kohli, when he has played an ATG knock.

Tomorrow, when you see the highlights you will realize he pulled off a heist in broad daylight, defied the improbable and made the target when India were dead.

Taints won't be remembered 5 years from now.

ATG innings will.

the West Indies Vs Pakistan test series that was drawed is still remembered as a series that was tainted due to unfair umpiring. No one is taking credit away from Kohli but the innings and the win is tainted now, whether you like that or not. Its nothing to do with Pakistani fans, neutrals are also calling it out as being unfair for the third umpire not to make the decision.

England won the World Cup, but even till this day people dont claim it as being a fair one, infact its the indian fans that talk about it being the most unfair one.