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Zimbabwe bound squad pass fitness tests
Lahore June 25:

The Zimbabwe bound T20 and ODI squad members passed their fitness tests conducted today at the National Cricket Academy (NCA).

Nineteen players took part in the fitness tests and passed the 17.4 mark set for the Yo-Yo tests.

Head coach Mickey Arthur has expressed his satisfaction at the fitness levels displayed by the players.

"I'm very pleased with the results of the fitness tests. We have tried to set a benchmark and develop a fitness culture in recent months, our efforts have paid off and I'm delighted how the players have taken to the culture. I would also want to thank team trainer Grant Luden besides the coaches and trianers at NCA for ensuring that the players remain steadfast and follow the routines prescribed to them."
 
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Surprised to read Pakistan have a tougher yo-yo test benchmarks than us! 17.2 vs ours at 16.1. Well done to PCB and support staff.

Despite the lowest benchmark, so many of our players have failed to clear these tests. Now there are murmurs in BCCI on how good these tests are and whether they should be used at all.
 
cricketindiafan said:
Surprised to read Pakistan have a tougher yo-yo test benchmarks than us! 17.2 vs ours at 16.1. Well done to PCB and support staff.

Despite the lowest benchmark, so many of our players have failed to clear these tests. Now there are murmurs in BCCI on how good these tests are and whether they should be used at all.
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trust us, it didnt start that way..Mickey has been the only coach in recent years who has brought discipline to this..otherwise it was biryani and Mcdonalds..
 
cricketindiafan said:
Surprised to read Pakistan have a tougher yo-yo test benchmarks than us! 17.2 vs ours at 16.1. Well done to PCB and support staff.

Despite the lowest benchmark, so many of our players have failed to clear these tests. Now there are murmurs in BCCI on how good these tests are and whether they should be used at all.
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The oldies in our team will fail to clear the fitness test if it is set at 17.4.

I doubt the likes of Rohit, Raina, Karthik can clear the Pak standards. They do not look fit at all.

Pak team is full of youngsters. They are all fit and eager to perform unlike Indian team where some of them have taken their places for granted.
 
Alot is also due to PSL i doubt someone like sahibzada farhan would have cleared that test if he was not trained along with proffesional fielding coach and international players in Psl .
 
troodon said:
The oldies in our team will fail to clear the fitness test if it is set at 17.4.

I doubt the likes of Rohit, Raina, Karthik can clear the Pak standards. They do not look fit at all.

Pak team is full of youngsters. They are all fit and eager to perform unlike Indian team where some of them have taken their places for granted.
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I thought kartik may be one of the most fitest player looking at the body physics
 
Pakistan need to bring this fitness tests as standard across all boards for all ages and sizes.

Because if they (youngsters) are not instilled with these fitness standards from the start of their playing days it will take them a long time to get used to them later on.

As times are changing and more health conscious some become, it is important that these standards are kept throughout all group ages and in domestic cricket in Pakistan.
 
Man these fitness tests are doing wonders for a our players. Well done Mickey Arthur, hopefull this kind of goes through the roots and domestic teams start putting these standards up.
 
Impressive. Having a younger team that's more malleable to coaching helps too compared to more senior players who can be stuck in their ways.
 
Errrm...fitness test after squad announcement?
Strange?
What if someone had failed the fitness test today?...would they have been replaced in the squad?
 
the Great Khan said:
trust us, it didnt start that way..Mickey has been the only coach in recent years who has brought discipline to this..otherwise it was biryani and Mcdonalds..
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Great to learn that. That is how it should be. Modern day athletes have to be supremely fit and it's not unrealistic to expect someone representing national side to be at absolutely the fittest possible. Fitness only enhances performance and should be seen as a a non-negotiable requisite skill set.
 
troodon said:
The oldies in our team will fail to clear the fitness test if it is set at 17.4.

I doubt the likes of Rohit, Raina, Karthik can clear the Pak standards. They do not look fit at all.

Pak team is full of youngsters. They are all fit and eager to perform unlike Indian team where some of them have taken their places for granted.
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How exactly do you 'look' fit? Have you seen how Raina fielded and ran between wickets in SA series? He is still one of the best fielders in Indian team slightly below Jadeja and Pandya.
 
shujaatraza said:
just curious how can a 20 minutes test determine players fitness for 5 days of cricket?
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It shows average level of fitness. After scoring 17.4, you can have modified YO-YO where you can walk and then sprint which will is what you need to do as a Batsmen/Bowler.
 
troodon said:
The oldies in our team will fail to clear the fitness test if it is set at 17.4.

I doubt the likes of Rohit, Raina, Karthik can clear the Pak standards. They do not look fit at all.

Pak team is full of youngsters. They are all fit and eager to perform unlike Indian team where some of them have taken their places for granted.
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If someone can just look at another person and see if "look fit" there would be no need for Sports science. They can just post pictures of players and you can just tell...
 
wondering how a change in culture do wonders for a team.. mickey brings in young guys and look at the results.. each and every player passing 17.4 mark while in india (which is being considered as one of the fittest unit) most of the players fails the test even with 16.1 mark.. having witnessed the transformation from being the worst fit and fielding unit to the world's fittest and best fielding unit is amazing.. pak has lost many crunch matches due to poor fielding ct 2009 semi final vs nz younis drop (younis dropped a sitter of elliot who went notout then), wc 2011 tendulkar drop (literally cost us the world cup we had beaten srilanka previously so beating them in final would be no surprise).. wc 2015 watson drop (they were 60 odd for 3) and the list goes on.. had we been a good fielding side who knows what would be the outcome even we could have won the tourney..
 
I am not sure if Yo-Yo is the ideal bench mark for cricket. Players like Warne or Tendulkar would hardly cross 17 points level, but they were extreme fit for cricket. Similarly, Rod Marsh was like wine barrel, but one of the best WK's ever, probably best against raw fast bowling and in couple of WSC games, he kept for 600+ scores, then batted for long also.

It's probably time for Cricket administrators spending on R&D to figure out a cricket specific fitness benchmark, like they use in USA for different sports. This Yo-yo test was developed by Danish soccer physiologist Jens Bangsbo and is a variation of the beep test that is used to evaluate an individual's aerobic endurance fitness, which I don't think applicable in cricket. May be it can be used to benchmark a minimum acceptable fitness level, but I won't use it as a selection tool/filter.

Recently, even Dr. Bangsho was skeptical regarding using Yo-yo test by BCCI. By his own words -

"You have to be careful about using this as the sole test for selection. You have to be always careful in using it as a selection criteria in sports like cricket. It’s not bad, though, to have a lower level (16.1 is lower spectrum) as everybody needs to have a minimum level of fitness. But whether you should use this for selection criteria is up to the federations but I would say you have to be careful; as there are other qualities that one seeks in a sportsman"

He insists that the constructive way is to use the test as a tool to measure fitness and find out training methods to improve the fitness of players.

“Since the level (16.1) isn’t that high, I can sense that they are expecting a minimum fitness level in their players. You may say that a player can perform well despite not reaching that level but as a team if it wants a certain minimum fitness level as part of its culture, 16.1 isn’t tough.”

Dr. Bangsho is former assistant coach of Juventus FC and Danish national soccer team.
 
Has to be the biggest lie of this decade. How on earth can Sarfaraz pass these fitness test . It's not believable .
 
After the fitness test and once they are on tour the players eat whatever they want though.
 
Hopefully Shadab recent performances have put some sense in Mr yasir shah mind so he can take his fitness more seriously and work hard unlike in the past where he was relax as there was no spinner who can challenge his place in test
 
MMHS said:
I am not sure if Yo-Yo is the ideal bench mark for cricket. Players like Warne or Tendulkar would hardly cross 17 points level, but they were extreme fit for cricket. Similarly, Rod Marsh was like wine barrel, but one of the best WK's ever, probably best against raw fast bowling and in couple of WSC games, he kept for 600+ scores, then batted for long also.

It's probably time for Cricket administrators spending on R&D to figure out a cricket specific fitness benchmark, like they use in USA for different sports. This Yo-yo test was developed by Danish soccer physiologist Jens Bangsbo and is a variation of the beep test that is used to evaluate an individual's aerobic endurance fitness, which I don't think applicable in cricket. May be it can be used to benchmark a minimum acceptable fitness level, but I won't use it as a selection tool/filter.

Recently, even Dr. Bangsho was skeptical regarding using Yo-yo test by BCCI. By his own words -

"You have to be careful about using this as the sole test for selection. You have to be always careful in using it as a selection criteria in sports like cricket. It’s not bad, though, to have a lower level (16.1 is lower spectrum) as everybody needs to have a minimum level of fitness. But whether you should use this for selection criteria is up to the federations but I would say you have to be careful; as there are other qualities that one seeks in a sportsman"

He insists that the constructive way is to use the test as a tool to measure fitness and find out training methods to improve the fitness of players.

“Since the level (16.1) isn’t that high, I can sense that they are expecting a minimum fitness level in their players. You may say that a player can perform well despite not reaching that level but as a team if it wants a certain minimum fitness level as part of its culture, 16.1 isn’t tough.”

Dr. Bangsho is former assistant coach of Juventus FC and Danish national soccer team.
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How do you know Tendulkar wouldnt have crossed 17 back in the day? He was a pretty quick runner between the wickets even during his last part of career.
 
Dingolfy said:
How do you know Tendulkar wouldnt have crossed 17 back in the day? He was a pretty quick runner between the wickets even during his last part of career.
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Running isn't only KPI of YoYo Test, which is a variant of beep test. Cricket fitness is not about quick release of power or acceleration of speed or extreme maneuverability. Such multistage fitness tests are useful for sports which needs high Oxygen intake, quick out burst of power and a bit aerobic capacity - sports like rugby, soccer, Aussie rules, Gaelic football, hockey, netball, handball, tennis, squash, basketball, badminton etc ... short duration but maximum energy output games.

Apart from SRT, I mentioned Warne and Rod Marsh as well, so it's not personal. Not sure if Yo Yo was invented during SRT's time; but it was definitely not when Imran or Hadlee used to play in Counties - they bowled over 1000 overs in 5 months, more than that in nets and batted at No. 4/5 as well (& more times in nets) - and, they didn't need yo-yo benchmark. Same can be said for Mark Taylor, called Tubby for a reason, but not when he was fielding at 1st slip. Not sure what score Gayle or Shahzad would clock in Yo-yo, but both guys are Gun T20 player......

That was my point - Yo yo can be used as one of the criteria, but can't be only filter - you can't put a benchmark, and drop players whoever fails to reach the mark. Cricket needs it's own fitness standard. I would always take Shoaib in even Test team, if he can give just 4 spells of 5 +3+3+4= 15 overs/day, and don't bother to even field properly. You can't get that luxury in any other team games where entire playing unit on field has to move in synchronization - one bad apple would destroy the entire structure; cricket is an unique team game and it's fitness requirements should be customized as well. .
 
MMHS said:
Running isn't only KPI of YoYo Test, which is a variant of beep test. Cricket fitness is not about quick release of power or acceleration of speed or extreme maneuverability. Such multistage fitness tests are useful for sports which needs high Oxygen intake, quick out burst of power and a bit aerobic capacity - sports like rugby, soccer, Aussie rules, Gaelic football, hockey, netball, handball, tennis, squash, basketball, badminton etc ... short duration but maximum energy output games.

Apart from SRT, I mentioned Warne and Rod Marsh as well, so it's not personal. Not sure if Yo Yo was invented during SRT's time; but it was definitely not when Imran or Hadlee used to play in Counties - they bowled over 1000 overs in 5 months, more than that in nets and batted at No. 4/5 as well (& more times in nets) - and, they didn't need yo-yo benchmark. Same can be said for Mark Taylor, called Tubby for a reason, but not when he was fielding at 1st slip. Not sure what score Gayle or Shahzad would clock in Yo-yo, but both guys are Gun T20 player......

That was my point - Yo yo can be used as one of the criteria, but can't be only filter - you can't put a benchmark, and drop players whoever fails to reach the mark. Cricket needs it's own fitness standard. I would always take Shoaib in even Test team, if he can give just 4 spells of 5 +3+3+4= 15 overs/day, and don't bother to even field properly. You can't get that luxury in any other team games where entire playing unit on field has to move in synchronization - one bad apple would destroy the entire structure; cricket is an unique team game and it's fitness requirements should be customized as well. .
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But 16 is really not that hard. All of India players are pro athletes who knew requirement well in advance.

I'm sure you remember what happened on last 2 India tours of England. Injuries to key players killed whatever little fight we had. And unfortunately we don't have Akhtar or a similar animal so no question of making an exception.
 
MMHS said:
Running isn't only KPI of YoYo Test, which is a variant of beep test. Cricket fitness is not about quick release of power or acceleration of speed or extreme maneuverability. Such multistage fitness tests are useful for sports which needs high Oxygen intake, quick out burst of power and a bit aerobic capacity - sports like rugby, soccer, Aussie rules, Gaelic football, hockey, netball, handball, tennis, squash, basketball, badminton etc ... short duration but maximum energy output games.

Apart from SRT, I mentioned Warne and Rod Marsh as well, so it's not personal. Not sure if Yo Yo was invented during SRT's time; but it was definitely not when Imran or Hadlee used to play in Counties - they bowled over 1000 overs in 5 months, more than that in nets and batted at No. 4/5 as well (& more times in nets) - and, they didn't need yo-yo benchmark. Same can be said for Mark Taylor, called Tubby for a reason, but not when he was fielding at 1st slip. Not sure what score Gayle or Shahzad would clock in Yo-yo, but both guys are Gun T20 player......

That was my point - Yo yo can be used as one of the criteria, but can't be only filter - you can't put a benchmark, and drop players whoever fails to reach the mark. Cricket needs it's own fitness standard. I would always take Shoaib in even Test team, if he can give just 4 spells of 5 +3+3+4= 15 overs/day, and don't bother to even field properly. You can't get that luxury in any other team games where entire playing unit on field has to move in synchronization - one bad apple would destroy the entire structure; cricket is an unique team game and it's fitness requirements should be customized as well. .
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Lol.I aint no Sachin fan.In fact If it was upto me, I would have Shoaib Akthar instead him as we would have won more matches.However, I just want to understand your reasoning behind including Tendulkar with somebody like Warne and Marsh who were not reknowned for fitness.
And also I dont think yo-yo test numbers indicate quick release of power or accelration or maneuverability.If it was, then there is no way Ashwin and Nehra would be topping somebody like Samson or Raina.
I still agree 16.1 is a minimum fitness level needed for an international athlete.But that doesnt mean than a guy with 20.1 would becmore explosive or agile on field than somebody with 17.
 
JattMaula said:
But 16 is really not that hard. All of India players are pro athletes who knew requirement well in advance.

I'm sure you remember what happened on last 2 India tours of England. Injuries to key players killed whatever little fight we had. And unfortunately we don't have Akhtar or a similar animal so no question of making an exception.
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No idea about 16 mark, but if it's that easy, then the bench mark itself isn't right - still if someone fails to pass that, may be it's attitude problem of diet habit; in that case one can use the chainsaw to chop outliers. As I said, instead of Yo Yo, I would love to see few Cricket physios working together with bio-mechanics lab to come up with a comprehensive test for different set of players (batsmen, fast bowler, spinner, WK ...) and set an acceptable bench mark, which can be used for selection criteria.

Personally, I think IND is still overall a bit fitter team than PAK (may be few like Kohli, Jadeja, Pandeya are influencing my judgement), and better fielding unit - but sounds like PAK's lowest benchmark of 17.4 was passed by Sarfraz, Imad (Did pass last time) & Haris; while some Indian players, even MSD might struggle with 16 .... which is a bit difficult for me to explain.
 
Dingolfy said:
Lol.I aint no Sachin fan.In fact If it was upto me, I would have Shoaib Akthar instead him as we would have won more matches.However, I just want to understand your reasoning behind including Tendulkar with somebody like Warne and Marsh who were not reknowned for fitness.
And also I dont think yo-yo test numbers indicate quick release of power or accelration or maneuverability.If it was, then there is no way Ashwin and Nehra would be topping somebody like Samson or Raina.
I still agree 16.1 is a minimum fitness level needed for an international athlete.But that doesnt mean than a guy with 20.1 would becmore explosive or agile on field than somebody with 17.
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Warne was extreme fit for his role - he bowled 72 overs in an Innings and 45 in a day (basically whole day from one end), in SAF, probably in 1998 tour, without limping and he was water tight with his length for almost every ball. Why Rod Marsh comes here, I have given example. SRT was extremely fit, for his 80KG+ body weight for a 165cm man, as he could bat for 45 overs, taking singles at will in a D/N ODI, after fielding 50 overs in scorching sun and bowling few overs.

If Ashwin scores better than Samson or Reina - then definitely I'll take Yo Yo with a pinch of salt for cricket!!!!!!!
 
MMHS said:
No idea about 16 mark, but if it's that easy, then the bench mark itself isn't right - still if someone fails to pass that, may be it's attitude problem of diet habit; in that case one can use the chainsaw to chop outliers. As I said, instead of Yo Yo, I would love to see few Cricket physios working together with bio-mechanics lab to come up with a comprehensive test for different set of players (batsmen, fast bowler, spinner, WK ...) and set an acceptable bench mark, which can be used for selection criteria.

Personally, I think IND is still overall a bit fitter team than PAK (may be few like Kohli, Jadeja, Pandeya are influencing my judgement), and better fielding unit - but sounds like PAK's lowest benchmark of 17.4 was passed by Sarfraz, Imad (Did pass last time) & Haris; while some Indian players, even MSD might struggle with 16 .... which is a bit difficult for me to explain.
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Yo Yo is a simple endurance test. IMO endurance is single most important fitness aspect for a cricketer. But I don't think its the only fitness test conducted at NCA. Its just that its the only one that's deemed mandatory, rightly or not.

Don't know how Sarfraz clears those benchmarks when he pants after running a single.
 
Ami said:
Errrm...fitness test after squad announcement?
Strange?
What if someone had failed the fitness test today?...would they have been replaced in the squad?
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That’s right, if you failed fitness test, you are out and everybody knows about it and it’s a public record. This is good way to promot fitness culture. UA was dropped because of fitness, so was Sohail Khan, so much his and cry at that time, but now everybody except that.

You get selected on skill and stats first but have to pass the fitness bench mark. Fitness is also not one off thing, it happens before every series, also when come from injury or long layoff. Those are pretty good standards...

Pakistanis should thanks Mickey, for insisting on fitness culture. This way you automatically recycle seniors 👻👻👻
 
Hiow the hell do some of these guys pass the fintess tests?

It's blatantly obvious that they are not fit enough for international cricket.
 
Sarfraz and some of them get preference over these tests so that is how they do it.

The standards that they say they have is all a big hoax.
 
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