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[PICTURES] 'Fighting back': Kashmir enclave blocks entry of Indian troops (Reuters)

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Kashmiri protesters stand at a barricade to block the entrance of a neighbourhood [Danish Ismail/Reuters]

For more than a week, the young men of Soura, a densely-populated enclave in Indian-administered Kashmir's main city of Srinagar, have been taking turns to maintain a round-the-clock vigil at the entry points to their neighbourhood.

Each of the dozen or so entrances have been blocked with makeshift barricades of bricks, corrugated metal sheets, wooden slabs and felled tree trunks. Groups of youths armed with stones congregate behind the biggest obstacles.

Their aim: to keep Indian security forces, and particularly the paramilitary police, out of the area.

"We have no voice. We are exploding from within," said Ejaz, 25, who, like many other residents in Soura interviewed by Reuters news agency, gave only one name, saying he feared arrest.

"If the world won't listen to us too, then what should we do? Pick up guns?"

Soura, home to about 15,000 people, is becoming the epicentre of resistance to the government's removal on August 5 of the partial autonomy enjoyed by Jammu and Kashmir, the country's only Muslim-majority state.

The enclave, which has effectively become a no-go zone for Indian security forces, is now a barometer of the ability of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Hindu nationalist government to impose its will in Kashmir after its dramatic move.

The change, the government said, was necessary to integrate Kashmir fully into India, tackle corruption and nepotism, and speed up its development, which Modi says is the key to securing lasting peace and defeating "terrorism".

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A neighbourhood street is blocked with tree branches by Kashmiri protesters during restrictions in Srinagar [Danish Ismail/Reuters]

In Soura, it is hard to find anyone who supports Modi's move. Many of the more than two dozen residents interviewed by Reuters over the past week referred to Modi as "zaalim", an Urdu word meaning "tyrant".

The constitutional change will allow non-residents to buy property in Jammu and Kashmir and apply for jobs in local government.

Some Muslims in Kashmir say they fear that India's dominant Hindu population will overrun the lush state at the foot of the Himalayas and that Kashmiris' identity, culture and religion will be diluted and repressed.

"We feel like we are guarding the LoC here," said Ejaz, referring to the Line of Control, the highly militarised de facto border between the Indian and Pakistan-controlled parts of Kashmir.

For decades, Kashmir has been a source of friction between nuclear-armed India and Pakistan. Both nations claim the region in full and have fought two wars over the territory since 1947.

Residents in Soura say dozens of people have been injured in clashes with the paramilitary police over the past week. It is unclear how many have been detained.

A spokesman for the Jammu and Kashmir government declined to answer questions from Reuters.

The Indian government's Home Ministry did not return calls and emails seeking comment.

Focal point of resistance

In Srinagar, the government has banned gatherings of more than four people, set up scores of roadblocks to prevent movement, and reportedly detained thousands of people, including former chief ministers of the state, community leaders, and activists.

Internet and cellphone services have been out for more than two weeks throughout the city and the rest of the Kashmir valley, making it difficult for opponents of the government's decision to organise protests.

Landline phone service has begun to return to the region but not to Soura, which is best-known for a Muslim shrine and a well-regarded medical college.

Residents have found other ways to organise.

When they spot security forces trying to enter the area, residents say they rush to a mosque and sound the alarm by playing a devotional song calling for people to "stand against illegal occupation", or by issuing an alert over the loudspeaker.

Piles of bricks and stones, ready to use against Indian troops, sit at the intersections of the narrow lanes that make up Soura, a largely lower middle class area bounded to the west by a lake and marshy wetlands.

At one barricade, concertina wire had been strung across the road. The young men patrolling the barrier said the wire had been stolen from Indian security forces.

A protest on August 9, when people took to the streets after Friday prayers, marked Soura as the focal point of resistance to the Indian government's decision. As residents from surrounding neighbourhoods joined the demonstration, the crowd swelled to at least 10,000, according to local police sources.

More than a dozen residents told Reuters that around 150 to 200 security personnel in riot gear attempted to enter Soura after the protests, resulting in clashes with residents that went on late into the night, as police fired tear gas and metal pellets.

The Indian government initially denied there had been a protest, saying there had been no gathering in Soura involving more than 20 people.

It later said there had been a demonstration of 1,000 to 1,500 people, after TV footage of the crowd was broadcast by the BBC and Al Jazeera.

'Fighting back'

Since then, Soura has been the scene of smaller demonstrations and daily running battles with the security forces, according to people living in the neighbourhood.

The security forces have made several attempts to enter Soura, according to residents, with the apparent goal of sealing off a large area of open ground next to the Jinab Sahib shrine that has become an assembly point for protesters.

India's paramilitary police say they are determined to regain control of the area.

"We have been trying to enter, but there is a lot of resistance in that neighbourhood," said an Indian paramilitary police official in Srinagar who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Another senior security official told Reuters on condition of anonymity that "some of the youth of the area are highly radicalised" and it is "a hotbed of militancy".

But the residents said they will continue to resist the entry of the security forces.

"Every day they are trying to attack us here, but we are fighting back," said Owais, in his early twenties. "We feel like we are trapped."

SOURCE: REUTERS NEWS AGENCY

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019...ocks-entry-indian-troops-190820090426828.html
 
The kid raising his finger looks like a 10 year old. Where are the adults and why are they sending kids to do man's job? People who want to protest should be allowed to demonstrate and let their plight known to the world in a peaceful manner. Damage to public and public property and religion based demands should not be tolerated in modern world.
 
The kid raising his finger looks like a 10 year old. Where are the adults and why are they sending kids to do man's job? People who want to protest should be allowed to demonstrate and let their plight known to the world in a peaceful manner. Damage to public and public property and religion based demands should not be tolerated in modern world.

The indian occupiers just kidnap peaceful protesters. They've already taken 4000.
 
The kid raising his finger looks like a 10 year old. Where are the adults and why are they sending kids to do man's job? People who want to protest should be allowed to demonstrate and let their plight known to the world in a peaceful manner. Damage to public and public property and religion based demands should not be tolerated in modern world.

Most adults are either killed, in detenson centers like papa-2 or missing.
 
Most adults are either killed, in detenson centers like papa-2 or missing.

May be, may be not, from the pics it looks like they are sending the kids to the front line and the adults are staying back. If papa is in police custody, why are whom ever is taking care of these kids, sending them to protest? Shouldn't the kids stay safe inside the house?
 
The kid raising his finger looks like a 10 year old. Where are the adults and why are they sending kids to do man's job? People who want to protest should be allowed to demonstrate and let their plight known to the world in a peaceful manner. Damage to public and public property and religion based demands should not be tolerated in modern world.

Irony died ....

but the modern world shining India have blocked communication from last 16 days ,
not mentioning the need of health care and food here ....
 
Im b4 reteurs is also considered a fake news network
 
May be, may be not, from the pics it looks like they are sending the kids to the front line and the adults are staying back. If papa is in police custody, why are whom ever is taking care of these kids, sending them to protest? Shouldn't the kids stay safe inside the house?

Man you need to learn a bit more about Kashmir struggle. I didn’t mention papa. Papa-2 was a famous detention center in occupied Kashmir for torturing and killing Kashmiris. Look it up
 
May be, may be not, from the pics it looks like they are sending the kids to the front line and the adults are staying back. If papa is in police custody, why are whom ever is taking care of these kids, sending them to protest? Shouldn't the kids stay safe inside the house?

be it man, woman or kids, all gt arrested at some point in Hitler's new shining India ....
 
Nice job in deflecting the question with the fake outrage. Curfew is used a means to bring order in the society all over the word. Even in the US when there is a natural disaster or when protest get unruly, counties bring in curfew to as means for the authorities to take control of the situation.
 
Nice job in deflecting the question with the fake outrage. Curfew is used a means to bring order in the society all over the word. Even in the US when there is a natural disaster or when protest get unruly, counties bring in curfew to as means for the authorities to take control of the situation.

So the sending in 700k troops and barricading the city and suppressing its' people by taking away their voices is a natural disaster?

Protests get unruly so lets jail them, fire pellet guns at them?

You see a picture of some children and anyone's first thought would be "my god the poor kids".
But not in India. No.. first thing that comes to their mind is where are the adults hiding??

Honestly mate you carry on because you doing a good job making yourself look a right idiot.
 
There is no need of protests at the first place. So , after purposefully creating problems & then To put blame on the authorities when they react make no sense to me what so ever.
 
So the sending in 700k troops and barricading the city and suppressing its' people by taking away their voices is a natural disaster?

Protests get unruly so lets jail them, fire pellet guns at them?

You see a picture of some children and anyone's first thought would be "my god the poor kids".
But not in India. No.. first thing that comes to their mind is where are the adults hiding??

Honestly mate you carry on because you doing a good job making yourself look a right idiot.

Take a chill pill. I feel sorry for the kids and hence my post, why are the parent's not keeping the kids safe and letting them face troops. Why would any parent allow a 10 year old kid to protest? How pathetic of you to justify a kid facing an army, just because it fits you narrative.

Also if someone is being destructive they need to be arrested, no one want to see 2011 London riots or LA riots of 1992. I absolutely support peaceful protest and is against subjugation of people thru armed forces or religion.
 
"We feel like we are guarding the LoC here," said Ejaz, referring to the Line of Control, the highly militarised de facto border between the Indian and Pakistan-controlled parts of Kashmir.

The first AJK exclave inside IOK.

Mighty oaks from little acorns grow...
 
Take a chill pill. I feel sorry for the kids and hence my post, why are the parent's not keeping the kids safe and letting them face troops. Why would any parent allow a 10 year old kid to protest? How pathetic of you to justify a kid facing an army, just because it fits you narrative.

Also if someone is being destructive they need to be arrested, no one want to see 2011 London riots or LA riots of 1992. I absolutely support peaceful protest and is against subjugation of people thru armed forces or religion.

Yet you support the suppression of a people.
 
There is no need of protests at the first place. So , after purposefully creating problems & then To put blame on the authorities when they react make no sense to me what so ever.

No need to protest????? Freaking no need to protest????



Are you out of your mind? They have been in lockdown for 15-16 days and you are spewing filth that they have no need to protest?


You yatris will have a mental breakdown if you don't get power or internet for half an hour. No need to protest
 
Man you need to learn a bit more about Kashmir struggle. I didn’t mention papa. Papa-2 was a famous detention center in occupied Kashmir for torturing and killing Kashmiris. Look it up

Just finished Basharat Peer’s Curfewed Night. Papa II is mentioned a number of times. The Indians later decommissioned it, whitewashed it, had it exorcised by priests from all religions, and made it the official residence of the Chief Minister.
 
There is no need of protests at the first place. So , after purposefully creating problems & then To put blame on the authorities when they react make no sense to me what so ever.

same thing we will be preaching to all indians in few months ... :)
 
So the sending in 700k troops and barricading the city and suppressing its' people by taking away their voices is a natural disaster?

Protests get unruly so lets jail them, fire pellet guns at them?

You see a picture of some children and anyone's first thought would be "my god the poor kids".
But not in India. No.. first thing that comes to their mind is where are the adults hiding??

Honestly mate you carry on because you doing a good job making yourself look a right idiot.

Curfew is important to maintain peace and harmony in troubled areas. North East is perfect example of it. Same sentiment, same movement, even more agitation in 80s and 90s. But since then, we have progressed drastically.
 
Curfew is important to maintain peace and harmony in troubled areas. North East is perfect example of it. Same sentiment, same movement, even more agitation in 80s and 90s. But since then, we have progressed drastically.

An infinite curfew? So people can't buy everyday essentials? So the occupying forces can kidnap more and more civilians?
 
Yet you support the suppression of a people.

How did you come to a conclusion that I support suppression of people. People can protest for anything, but that don't mean they are going to be successful in their demand. No country is going to sit and watch people throwing rocks, rioting and destroying public infrastructure. People in subcontinent are know for this kind of behavior, they don't believe in respecting or maintaining what is not theirs.

Pakistan want Kashmir to burn and more people getting killed and rioters looting so Kashmir will gain international attention like Hong Kong is receiving now. Unfortunately for them it is not happening due to the curfew.
 
How did you come to a conclusion that I support suppression of people. People can protest for anything, but that don't mean they are going to be successful in their demand. No country is going to sit and watch people throwing rocks, rioting and destroying public infrastructure. People in subcontinent are know for this kind of behavior, they don't believe in respecting or maintaining what is not theirs.

Pakistan want Kashmir to burn and more people getting killed and rioters looting so Kashmir will gain international attention like Hong Kong is receiving now. Unfortunately for them it is not happening due to the curfew.

No!

Pakistanis want you to stop suppressing the Kashmiris. Why not allow a referendum?
 
May be, may be not, from the pics it looks like they are sending the kids to the front line and the adults are staying back. If papa is in police custody, why are whom ever is taking care of these kids, sending them to protest? Shouldn't the kids stay safe inside the house?

Not just that. It's easy to stay outdoors with a mask and blab whatever comes to mind than do that bloody algebra. Apparently they are worried they are gonna lose their jobs. Who's gonna give u a job with zero education?
 
How did you come to a conclusion that I support suppression of people. People can protest for anything, but that don't mean they are going to be successful in their demand. No country is going to sit and watch people throwing rocks, rioting and destroying public infrastructure. People in subcontinent are know for this kind of behavior, they don't believe in respecting or maintaining what is not theirs.

Pakistan want Kashmir to burn and more people getting killed and rioters looting so Kashmir will gain international attention like Hong Kong is receiving now. Unfortunately for them it is not happening due to the curfew.

That's the frustration isn't it. They've been counting on mass violent riots and killings by army by now. They went ahead and said genocide, Hitler etc. But now, Kashmir is not even in the news. India has been thinking about this play for a while and is well planned.
 
That's the frustration isn't it. They've been counting on mass violent riots and killings by army by now. They went ahead and said genocide, Hitler etc. But now, Kashmir is not even in the news. India has been thinking about this play for a while and is well planned.

Why would we want killings of what are considered our own people. It's why Pakistan is hesistant at responding on the border due potential killing of civilians, whilst the indians don't care about Kashmiri lives lost. Fill that area with non-Kashmirs and see how extensive any response is to border activity.

It is on the news or do you think BBC, Al Jazeera, RT and Reuters are basement radio stations?
 
Why would we want killings of what are considered our own people. It's why Pakistan is hesistant at responding on the border due potential killing of civilians, whilst the indians don't care about Kashmiri lives lost. Fill that area with non-Kashmirs and see how extensive any response is to border activity.

It is on the news or do you think BBC, Al Jazeera, RT and Reuters are basement radio stations?

Not doubting the news papers as they are irrelevant. However it's no shock to Indian side. There were protests before 370 repeal as well. It's business as usual there. The shock and frustration is on the Pakistani side. There is no traction because of the curfiew. Indians do care about Kashmiri lives lost and hence the curfiew. It will blow up in India's face if people are dead. Precisely what Pak expected and hence the "Hitler", "genocide" rhetoric.
 
Not doubting the news papers as they are irrelevant. However it's no shock to Indian side. There were protests before 370 repeal as well. It's business as usual there. The shock and frustration is on the Pakistani side. There is no traction because of the curfiew. Indians do care about Kashmiri lives lost and hence the curfiew. It will blow up in India's face if people are dead. Precisely what Pak expected and hence the "Hitler", "genocide" rhetoric.

Will it blow up once the curfew is lifted? Or is it the intention to keep the curfew and starve the people out?

I think the NAZI Germany reference is overused everywhere however it maybe in reference to the 4000 kidnappings and further unknown numbers.
 
No need to protest????? Freaking no need to protest????



Are you out of your mind? They have been in lockdown for 15-16 days and you are spewing filth that they have no need to protest?


You yatris will have a mental breakdown if you don't get power or internet for half an hour. No need to protest

yeah ...definitely ...definitely .... no need to protest . Majority of Indian poplulation has elected a government to rule India. Naturally they would make or modify rules as per the need.

That being the case, a section of people from a region creating unnecessary problems does not make sense what so ever. That being the case concerned authorities would be forced to react appropriately and there is no wrong in it what so ever.
 
Will it blow up once the curfew is lifted? Or is it the intention to keep the curfew and starve the people out?

I think the NAZI Germany reference is overused everywhere however it maybe in reference to the 4000 kidnappings and further unknown numbers.

It's already not the main news. Consider this a cool off period. Curfiew will be lifted in phases. India's strategy seems to be punishing the entire population for the folly of a few miscreants. It's better from Indian pov as killing people is not an option. The idea is to make millions of Kashmiris realize that a few thousand of their brothers are ruining their livelihoods. This time is also precious for India. Moves are.made to cut the separatist infrastructure- funding and other resources while their leaders are taking ice baths in locked guest houses.
 
No need to protest????? Freaking no need to protest????



Are you out of your mind? They have been in lockdown for 15-16 days and you are spewing filth that they have no need to protest?


You yatris will have a mental breakdown if you don't get power or internet for half an hour. No need to protest

Brother they are blind.They are speaking same language which Britishers used in their colonies that we are making them civilized and the excuses made by Indians are similar.One pathetic poster here was mentioning concentration camps for Kashmiris and settling RSS,army there.
 
yeah ...definitely ...definitely .... no need to protest . Majority of Indian poplulation has elected a government to rule India. Naturally they would make or modify rules as per the need.

That being the case, a section of people from a region creating unnecessary problems does not make sense what so ever. That being the case concerned authorities would be forced to react appropriately and there is no wrong in it what so ever.

Just go back 100 years and see how you are talking like British viceroys.Atleast have shame.You people decieved them.The Governor and your PM told that nothing of this sort is on cards and then pulled the rug under them.
 
As expected, Kashmiris will never accept this pathetic Indian invasion. They can send 7 million soldiers there; outcome shall remain the same.

Only solution to Kashmir can be achieved with a thorough change of mentality. And making Kashmiris' lives miserable will only make them stronger and strengthen their already unbreakable resolve.

First they started with "Pak being the bogeyman and IK being some sort of evil villain" campaign (for months)

A pathetic try to launch airstrike inside Pakistan came later. Delusional and dangerous.

Now that everything has failed, they resorted to harass unarmed population :facepalm: and yet another failure is ahead...

Shame on you India.
 
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If a war between India and Pakistan happen anytime soon then i wish the first victims of the war are these indian keyboard warriors on social media and PP and their families i really want them to go through the same pain like Kashmiris you guys deserve the worse.
 
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Just go back 100 years and see how you are talking like British viceroys.Atleast have shame.You people decieved them.The Governor and your PM told that nothing of this sort is on cards and then pulled the rug under them.

when lost for logical replies , emotional responses like the above are the results .But then, no wonder in that
 
If you really believe that Muslim Killer Modi respects and follows Indian constitution then I pity you.

I don't mind as to what you think of me. Why so because Modi only ' took off a law' which was a timely matter . You Pakistani wants Modi to be a dummy and naturally when he acts as against your wish no wonder he becomes a Muslim Killer for you.I don't need such people's certificate.
 
An infinite curfew? So people can't buy everyday essentials? So the occupying forces can kidnap more and more civilians?

Curfew isn't infinite. You really do believe people are surviving for 15 days without foods and water?

In a curfew situation, for a brief period of time in each day, IPC 144 is generally applied which means one is allowed to go out and do his basic needs except there won't be a gathering of more than 4-5 people. Shops are also opened for a brief period of time so that people can buy their daily requirements.

The supply chain goes under strict observation of the army.
 
when lost for logical replies , emotional responses like the above are the results .But then, no wonder in that

You want reply...See what your forces are doing by terrorizing people.Women are wailing that their kids will be killed as you are arresting them without record.Zip your mouth and question your conscience

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This video is from Buchpora Mehmoodaabad in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> is 19 Aug 1:40 am. A child is arrested and the women of the house are running after him. (via ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/InshahMalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@InshahMalik</a>⁩) cc ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/project_polis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@project_polis</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/58a9BSinBg">pic.twitter.com/58a9BSinBg</a></p>— francesca recchia (@kiccovich) <a href="https://twitter.com/kiccovich/status/1163838247409201154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Brother they are blind.They are speaking same language which Britishers used in their colonies that we are making them civilized and the excuses made by Indians are similar.One pathetic poster here was mentioning concentration camps for Kashmiris and settling RSS,army there.

I look forward to the Kashmiris picking up arms and taking the fight to mainland India.
 
You want reply...See what your forces are doing by terrorizing people.Women are wailing that their kids will be killed as you are arresting them without record.Zip your mouth and question your conscience

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This video is from Buchpora Mehmoodaabad in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> is 19 Aug 1:40 am. A child is arrested and the women of the house are running after him. (via ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/InshahMalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@InshahMalik</a>⁩) cc ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/project_polis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@project_polis</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/58a9BSinBg">pic.twitter.com/58a9BSinBg</a></p>— francesca recchia (@kiccovich) <a href="https://twitter.com/kiccovich/status/1163838247409201154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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these type of incidents are the results of their own actions. Government of India amended a law that is applicable to every citizen of every region in India. That being the case, what was the need of creating these unnecessary problems??Only Kashmiris are creating these type of problems, other regions of India are not involved in these problems.
Once after creating these type of problems, there is no point in blaming the authorities if they retaliate thru what ever be the means they think as appropriate. It was so better of these people not to have created unnecessary problems at the first place.
 
You want reply...See what your forces are doing by terrorizing people.Women are wailing that their kids will be killed as you are arresting them without record.Zip your mouth and question your conscience

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This video is from Buchpora Mehmoodaabad in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Kashmir?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#Kashmir</a> is 19 Aug 1:40 am. A child is arrested and the women of the house are running after him. (via ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/InshahMalik?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@InshahMalik</a>⁩) cc ⁦<a href="https://twitter.com/project_polis?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@project_polis</a>⁩ <a href="https://t.co/58a9BSinBg">pic.twitter.com/58a9BSinBg</a></p>— francesca recchia (@kiccovich) <a href="https://twitter.com/kiccovich/status/1163838247409201154?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 20, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Probably a stone pelter. They are gonna scare and slap him a bit and let him loose. Worse yet they will ask him what (a+b) squared is and once he asks who a and b are, they will make him write the answer 100 times. They are a part of India now. Kids need to stop pelting and start reading like the rest of the Indian kids.
 
I look forward to the Kashmiris picking up arms and taking the fight to mainland India.

Ofcourse you will. You must be punching a wall in Canada in frustration. These are people who are being taught to be civil now. Your preachings might work better on those Taliban kids.
 
One day maybe I'll open Time Pass and won't have to see fraud neutral rhonys name as the last reply on each thread. Just maybe. We can all hope for good things I suppose.
 
Ofcourse you will. You must be punching a wall in Canada in frustration. These are people who are being taught to be civil now. Your preachings might work better on those Taliban kids.

Ha! You wish things were that simple

Kill unarmed kids and call them terrorists. Easy peasy, eh?

This was (supposedly) written by an Indian:
The words, "Taj Mahal was not built by Shahjahan. It was a Shiva temple." still rings in my ears. My aunt who never had anything beyond primary school education told me so when I was a kid. My grandmother who never went to school knew that the first atom bomb was detonated in Kurukshetra during the battle between Pandavas and Kauravas in Mahabharata. Apparently, this is why not a shred of grass grows in Kurukshetra. Of course, she had not been to Kurukshetra and she had no idea about nuclear physics. But as a child, I had no reason to doubt their wisdom.

It is said that ignorance is bliss. But I firmly believe that ignorance is a curse. It corrupts the mind of the people. Our ignorant grandparents, uncles and aunts, parents have systematically, though not necessarily deliberately, shoved us towards ignorance and false pride. Their inadequate knowledge blended with haughty confidence has rendered most Indians into pompous fools.

These fools were relegated mostly to tasks that did not need intellectual acumen. They did their servile jobs and nurtured the pride that Ganesha had the first plastic surgery. They did their thankless duties and passed on their ignorance to their children. But someday, these fools had to come to prominence and they did. They started winning elections.

The electoral system is terribly flawed. It allows ignorants, uneducated people, idiots to become candidates and since power and money are all that is required, these imbeciles inevitably win elections. But it is not just power and money. People vote. If the people are uneducated, they would not know the value of education and they would help elect ignorants. And so they did. They elected those who would tell them how great a people they are and how quickly they would lead the world. In other words, they elected those who would give them the illusion of becoming a superpower or Vishwaguru.

Now that the ignoramus became leaders, it was no longer required to surreptitiously suggest that Newton did not discover the laws of gravity. The buffoons started finding Indic greatness in just about everything and made it their sacred duty to vomit their crazy thoughts publicly. They started investing effort in meaningless researches such as finding the suitability of Sanskrit in programming talking computers. But I hold responsible not just those who never went to school, for being ignorant. Such is the pathetic condition of the education system in India that having MS in Physics is also not enough to make a person educated in Physics or else why would a former lecturer of physics claim that Heisenberg's uncertainty principle is found in Vedas? Why would a judge claim that peacocks reproduce with their tears? Why would another judge declare that Brahmins are born twice? Why would an MBBS claim that that the Vedas postulated a theory superior to Albert Einstein's theory of relativity? These people did go to schools and universities. But unfortunately, these schools and universities failed to give them an education. These universities washed off their hands having given these duffers just their qualification. I blame the worthless education system of India for the burden of ignorance these cretins carry exactly on their shoulders as much I hold responsible the ignorant parents these people had.

When ignorants come to power, they lead the country towards intellectual bankruptcy. It heralds the onset of disaster for a nation. Such a scenario was seen during the 1930s in Germany when the Nazis came to power. They claimed weird and unfounded theories about science, anthropology and history. They invested time, manpower and money in worthless researches. They promoted occultism and pseudoscience. They made racial laws based on pseudo-Darwinism.

When ignorants achieve power, they also want glory. They cook up stories of a great past that have made them a great race. It pumps false pride and prejudices in the people. It propels society towards collective lunacy. To assert their perceived supremacy, such a deluded nation ends up declaring war on other nations. Whether India follows such a destructive path or not, will be seen in a very near future. But the symptoms are already visible. There is a witch's broth being cooked, a diabolical concoction of patriotism, pseudoscience, the glorification of the past, nationalism, occultism, militarism and ignorance. India is going down a slippery slope.
 
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Ha! You wish things were that simple

Kill unarmed kids and call them terrorists. Easy peasy, eh?

This was (supposedly) written by an Indian:

Look, there are cuckoos everywhere. Zaid Hamid for example has a bihari dad and a kashmir mother. He was born wired wrong. U shouldn't take these things seriously. There are three generations of Kashmiris currently. The pre 1990 gen, the post 1900 gen and the third- kids who are very young and don't know much about kashmir. India can talk to the old gen, India lost the post 1990 gen, India has hope about the new gen. The Mass killings and raped during the 90s is when India lost the post 1990 gen. India will not make the same mistake again. Kashmir is being saved now from burning after the 370 repeal. The curfiew is helping in nabbing the trouble makers who are in a few thousands. The terror infrastructure, financing is being dismantled. There is patience on both sides and Kashmiris aren't running out despite a curfiew with knives and stones as many predicted. Every body is evaluating their options with the Indian state being at an advantage because of power and resources. One needs to be patient as this is a long term plan. India cannot lose the next gen and they know that. This is the last chance. Probably their only chance and that's why I don't think there will be a genocide.
 
Probably a stone pelter. They are gonna scare and slap him a bit and let him loose. Worse yet they will ask him what (a+b) squared is and once he asks who a and b are, they will make him write the answer 100 times. They are a part of India now. Kids need to stop pelting and start reading like the rest of the Indian kids.

You are supporting torture. What if the CHILD continues to resist? After a few slaps, do you want the child to be water boarded, electrocution or perhaps sent to a unmarked grave?
 
You are supporting torture. What if the CHILD continues to resist? After a few slaps, do you want the child to be water boarded, electrocution or perhaps sent to a unmarked grave?

In the 90s they probably would have killed the kid. A few slaps and convincing isn't torture. The same parents running after the kid now will.learn a lesson as well. One can't let their kids loose pelting stones at the army. It is a dangerous business and what if the kid gets killed or blinded in the process? A couple of slaps are the need of the hour than pelting. Children are being poisoned with this false ideology of Azadi and Martyrdom. There is no glory in being blind or dead other than being disabled for life or worm food. That's what they will be taught along with those slaps
 
In the 90s they probably would have killed the kid. A few slaps and convincing isn't torture. The same parents running after the kid now will.learn a lesson as well. One can't let their kids loose pelting stones at the army. It is a dangerous business and what if the kid gets killed or blinded in the process? A couple of slaps are the need of the hour than pelting. Children are being poisoned with this false ideology of Azadi and Martyrdom. There is no glory in being blind or dead other than being disabled for life or worm food. That's what they will be taught along with those slaps

So you are also advocating beating up the parents because their child went out of the home? According to you beating up a child and parent will help them? A child doesn't know of martyrdom, he/she simply doesn't want soldiers with guns who hate their people around them.
 
So you are also advocating beating up the parents because their child went out of the home? According to you beating up a child and parent will help them? A child doesn't know of martyrdom, he/she simply doesn't want soldiers with guns who hate their people around them.

A child doesn't understand all that. He will only understand what he's being told. He was told about stuff he shouldn't be bothered with pre pelting and now will be told otherwise. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in Kashmir that go to schools and don't pelt stones. I am not advocating beating the parents. U are speculating that. Once a good parent realizes that a child is in focus for an indiscretion, they learn to understand their priorities. Kids are gullible. If the miscreants are targeting the gullible and misusing them, it is the role of a parent to explain to the kid. Sans that, army will teach the kids. Army doesn't want to kill or blind people. However, they won't sit tight either. The thresholds are higher, way higher than in 90s. Before that option is used, there will be many steps involved to save a child from losing his way.
 
Look, there are cuckoos everywhere. Zaid Hamid for example has a bihari dad and a kashmir mother. He was born wired wrong. U shouldn't take these things seriously. There are three generations of Kashmiris currently. The pre 1990 gen, the post 1900 gen and the third- kids who are very young and don't know much about kashmir. India can talk to the old gen, India lost the post 1990 gen, India has hope about the new gen. The Mass killings and raped during the 90s is when India lost the post 1990 gen. India will not make the same mistake again. Kashmir is being saved now from burning after the 370 repeal. The curfiew is helping in nabbing the trouble makers who are in a few thousands. The terror infrastructure, financing is being dismantled. There is patience on both sides and Kashmiris aren't running out despite a curfiew with knives and stones as many predicted. Every body is evaluating their options with the Indian state being at an advantage because of power and resources. One needs to be patient as this is a long term plan. India cannot lose the next gen and they know that. This is the last chance. Probably their only chance and that's why I don't think there will be a genocide.

Modi is a Muslim Killer for goodness sake. Their is a video on YouTube where RSS' animals are talking about beheading all Muslims. Interview and all. Too lazy to post link. I think we can say that these are not isolated cuckoos.

These last few months common Hindu men are seen literally lynching Kashmiris on side of road many viral videos ... in an instance they even started hitting a Hindu guy who talked against all it. These are day to day events that people do take seriously. Especially the ones who are getting hit.

We don't know what's going on inside IOK right now. That's the whole point of curfew. Indian / media and army have no credibility. At least, for me.

There was this Kashmiri girl (and I don't wanna write her name for some filthy people to utter), Indian army kidnapped her, raped her for seven days until she finally died. NOTHING HAPPENED. The soldiers and command is probably still harassing someone as I type this... Angels they ain't, believe me.
Do you seriously believe current Kashmiri generation and future ones will forget it all?

Personally, I am against war and I firmly believe that the only way forward is by dialogue and peace.

But Muslim Killer Modi will never do that. I don't think his kind has courage beyond harassing unarmed people but still you never know...

Kashmiris won't ever accept Indians. India had their chance back in 1950s maybe. I am ignorant in history but right now, no way in hell IOK will ever accept India. It will always be a forced invasion.
 
A child doesn't understand all that. He will only understand what he's being told. He was told about stuff he shouldn't be bothered with pre pelting and now will be told otherwise. There are hundreds of thousands of kids in Kashmir that go to schools and don't pelt stones. I am not advocating beating the parents. U are speculating that. Once a good parent realizes that a child is in focus for an indiscretion, they learn to understand their priorities. Kids are gullible. If the miscreants are targeting the gullible and misusing them, it is the role of a parent to explain to the kid. Sans that, army will teach the kids. Army doesn't want to kill or blind people. However, they won't sit tight either. The thresholds are higher, way higher than in 90s. Before that option is used, there will be many steps involved to save a child from losing his way.

Firstly your beloved army has committed numerous human rights abuses including killing people.

The vast majority hate your army in Kashmir and kids will pick up on this. If you want kids to not to throw stones, treat people in a humane manner. If your army beats up kids when they grow up they might retaliate with a bullet, keep it in mind.
 
Modi is a Muslim Killer for goodness sake. Their is a video on YouTube where RSS' animals are talking about beheading all Muslims. Interview and all. Too lazy to post link. I think we can say that these are not isolated cuckoos.

These last few months common Hindu men are seen literally lynching Kashmiris on side of road many viral videos ... in an instance they even started hitting a Hindu guy who talked against all it. These are day to day events that people do take seriously. Especially the ones who are getting hit.

We don't know what's going on inside IOK right now. That's the whole point of curfew. Indian / media and army have no credibility. At least, for me.

There was this Kashmiri girl (and I don't wanna write her name for some filthy people to utter), Indian army kidnapped her, raped her for seven days until she finally died. NOTHING HAPPENED. The soldiers and command is probably still harassing someone as I type this... Angels they ain't, believe me.
Do you seriously believe current Kashmiri generation and future ones will forget it all?

Personally, I am against war and I firmly believe that the only way forward is by dialogue and peace.

But Muslim Killer Modi will never do that. I don't think his kind has courage beyond harassing unarmed people but still you never know...

Kashmiris won't ever accept Indians. India had their chance back in 1950s maybe. I am ignorant in history but right now, no way in hell IOK will ever accept India. It will always be a forced invasion.

The stories about rape were true in the 90s. Doesn't work that way anymore. There is no advantage for India to commit those crimes now. RSS is unnecessarily being given a lot of publicity. In a violent situation like in Godhra or Mumbai riots people lost their mind and killed mercilessly. It happened on both sides.
Those are part of communal violence in India. The deaths are proportionate to the overall population distribution. One can't burn a train of majority hindus and not expect backlash. Government can't control these as they go out of hand quickly.

If you want to understand RSS, look beyond the Muslims deaths, the communal riots or an odd lynching here or there. RSS is a nationalist organization that has only one agenda. That's India's dominance in the world. Article 370 was always on the agenda because Kashmir is a life source for India and RSS doesn't want speculations or deliberations on it. . Babri Masjid was on the agenda to come to power. Uniform civil law is for equality. They don't preach for separate priveleged rules for hindus. They don't want priveleges for the rest that Congress has doled out over the years. Look at Modi's 5 year rule from 2014 to 2019. Did Indian Muslims were killed enmasse as your own news papers speculated? Millions of Muslim families have taken advantage of many schemes for the poor. RSS is in power and they have a chance to be in power for a decade. They already have a succession plan after Modi in Shah. This is an organization that wants to remove India's ills like reservations and they know they need to be economically much stronger and be in power long enough. Killing Kashmiris, raping people will not fit into that narrative. It will unnecessarily engage the 200 million Muslims in India that RSS can't handle. India is currently relevant internationally for economic reasons and also because of it's history. A genocide will ruin it for good.
 
Firstly your beloved army has committed numerous human rights abuses including killing people.

The vast majority hate your army in Kashmir and kids will pick up on this. If you want kids to not to throw stones, treat people in a humane manner. If your army beats up kids when they grow up they might retaliate with a bullet, keep it in mind.

This is not day 1 and army is not a baby. This has been through so many iterations that army is now a stake holder in kashmir. Army knows kashmir as Kashmiris know Kashmir. Lessons have been learned and will be implemented.
 
This is not day 1 and army is not a baby. This has been through so many iterations that army is now a stake holder in kashmir. Army knows kashmir as Kashmiris know Kashmir. Lessons have been learned and will be implemented.

But do you accept a child who has been 'slapped around' may perhaps one day grow up to attack Indian soldiers?
 
But do you accept a child who has been 'slapped around' may perhaps one day grow up to attack Indian soldiers?

Depends on the child and the family. At the same time you agree that a young pelter if left untouched has a chance to be a Jihadi one day. They won't just stop automatically. Some body has to teach them. It's usually parents for a million kids that don't do these things. For the stragglers, it's the army that will be the teacher.
 
Blocking roads in the morning to stop the Indian Army.

Then removing the roadblocks in the evening when they realize... they have to use the roads themselves to get around!

Good example of wasted energy.
 
Blocking roads in the morning to stop the Indian Army.

Then removing the roadblocks in the evening when they realize... they have to use the roads themselves to get around!

Good example of wasted energy.

It's called the artificial intelligence of the other kind where people don't have natural intelligence
 
Depends on the child and the family. At the same time you agree that a young pelter if left untouched has a chance to be a Jihadi one day. They won't just stop automatically. Some body has to teach them. It's usually parents for a million kids that don't do these things. For the stragglers, it's the army that will be the teacher.

As a Hindu please dont use Islamic words which you have no clue of. Kashmiris have a legitimate right to Jihad as it's self defence.

I hope one day nobody forces you to stay at home and if your child doesnt, no soldier beats him/her.

You have a disgusting mindset wanting children to be slapped. Perhaps it's you who deserves a few of those.
 
As a Hindu please dont use Islamic words which you have no clue of. Kashmiris have a legitimate right to Jihad as it's self defence.

I hope one day nobody forces you to stay at home and if your child doesnt, no soldier beats him/her.

You have a disgusting mindset wanting children to be slapped. Perhaps it's you who deserves a few of those.

As opposed to your mindset that wants to send children into harm's Way? If it's your kids we will know how important jihad is for you. Those terms are irrlevant in today's age when one party is fighting with stones and the other with machine guns. When a bullet comes your way, it doesn't matter who you pray to. You will be dead. As simple as that.
 
As opposed to your mindset that wants to send children into harm's Way? If it's your kids we will know how important jihad is for you. Those terms are irrlevant in today's age when one party is fighting with stones and the other with machine guns. When a bullet comes your way, it doesn't matter who you pray to. You will be dead. As simple as that.

Yes, your soldiers need to keep that in mind for the rest of the time they are present in Kashmir.

I want children to be out playing , going to school, meeting their friends. You want them to stay inside and if they dont , your low life soldiers to beat them.

Have you got kids?
 
Yes, your soldiers need to keep that in mind for the rest of the time they are present in Kashmir.

I want children to be out playing , going to school, meeting their friends. You want them to stay inside and if they dont , your low life soldiers to beat them.

Have you got kids?

They will be playing, going to schools and meeting their friends shortly. They already did all those just a couple of weeks ago. But their comrades are spoiling the fun for them by pelting and clashing with the army. Curfiew won't be going on indefinitely as you must understand. In the mean time these kids need to be like million other Kashmiri kids and stay put instead of being used and thrown under the bus by a few nonsensical idiots.
 
People are failing to realize that kashmir is not an uncommon issue in India. Similar separatist movements have been in Indias history time to time. And I must say, this time, the government was far more cautious than the previous occasions where casualties were very high.

Having said that, it will take time (generations) where the people will realize the benefits of blending in. There will be agitations time to time but as the places will prosper and more jobs will be created, it will die down. It may take decades, but steps towards future peace has been taken.

You (pakistani) guys may not like it and probably would have preferred the status quo (more than this) but, it's time we take steps towards prosper of kashmir too by building the infrastructure and a skeleton for future improvements. It's just a matter of time when like other states, the agitation will fade away.
 
People are failing to realize that kashmir is not an uncommon issue in India. Similar separatist movements have been in Indias history time to time. And I must say, this time, the government was far more cautious than the previous occasions where casualties were very high.

Having said that, it will take time (generations) where the people will realize the benefits of blending in. There will be agitations time to time but as the places will prosper and more jobs will be created, it will die down. It may take decades, but steps towards future peace has been taken.

You (pakistani) guys may not like it and probably would have preferred the status quo (more than this) but, it's time we take steps towards prosper of kashmir too by building the infrastructure and a skeleton for future improvements. It's just a matter of time when like other states, the agitation will fade away.

Kashmiris never wanted to be part of India, they dont now and wont in the future. You are in some BJP ulter reality if you believe anything different.
 
They will be playing, going to schools and meeting their friends shortly. They already did all those just a couple of weeks ago. But their comrades are spoiling the fun for them by pelting and clashing with the army. Curfiew won't be going on indefinitely as you must understand. In the mean time these kids need to be like million other Kashmiri kids and stay put instead of being used and thrown under the bus by a few nonsensical idiots.

90% of Kashmiris hate India.

Why are Indians so deluded in thinking Kashmiris love India and the Indian army?

Try using some basic common sense. If they loved India, you wouldnt have hundreds of thousands of troops around them!
 
Kashmiris never wanted to be part of India, they dont now and wont in the future. You are in some BJP ulter reality if you believe anything different.

As I said, kashmir is not a unique situation in India. The blue print is already there which everytime worked in past (otherwise India would have been broken to pieces considering how many separatist movements were going on in 80s and 90s in different states) to bring prosper and growth.

It will take time. But it paved the way.
 
90% of Kashmiris hate India.

Why are Indians so deluded in thinking Kashmiris love India and the Indian army?

Try using some basic common sense. If they loved India, you wouldnt have hundreds of thousands of troops around them!

every Kashmiri who hates India has the right to move out of India permanently . No one is blocking from that.
 
90% of Kashmiris hate India.

Why are Indians so deluded in thinking Kashmiris love India and the Indian army?

Try using some basic common sense. If they loved India, you wouldnt have hundreds of thousands of troops around them!

90 percent? Is that just you in that "official" poll? With 10 percent bias for some Indian thing u like. If they hate India they won't be there for 70 years going about their lives. Use the same common sense you preach. Majority of the 700k are in the border areas by the way. Read up on stuff that you are ignorant about. The Jihadi culture in 90s ruined kashmir and will be weeded out. Pakistan is hoping for pre 1947 in kashmir. India is just looking for pre 1990. India has time and resources, Pakistan has none.
 
Kashmiris never wanted to be part of India, they dont now and wont in the future. You are in some BJP ulter reality if you believe anything different.

Kashmiris never wanted to be part of Pakistan either then why is Imran Khan giving his independence day speech from POK as if it was part of his country.

Vaccate POK and Gilgit asap and hold a plebiscite there then come back and talk to India about morality.

All these goons are trained by Pakistan to revolt against India and kill innocent human beings and you are talking about humanity.

Unlike Pakistan double standards, Indian version is simple Kashmir was/is part of India.
 
Usual Indian garbage in this thread. Condoning every kind of human right violation and torture from their state.
Too many of the posers here, some describe themselves as neutrals, some atheists, some first world educated , some liberal but all expressing blatant disregard for the rights and lives of the Kashmiris.
 
Probably a stone pelter. They are gonna scare and slap him a bit and let him loose. Worse yet they will ask him what (a+b) squared is and once he asks who a and b are, they will make him write the answer 100 times. They are a part of India now. Kids need to stop pelting and start reading like the rest of the Indian kids.


Well all the reading you have done hasn't done you any good so please spare the Kashmiri kids of your fake education
 
As I said, kashmir is not a unique situation in India. The blue print is already there which everytime worked in past (otherwise India would have been broken to pieces considering how many separatist movements were going on in 80s and 90s in different states) to bring prosper and growth.

It will take time. But it paved the way.

Yes the blueprint of hating Pakistan is keeping you all united. Keep at it!
 
They will be playing, going to schools and meeting their friends shortly. They already did all those just a couple of weeks ago. But their comrades are spoiling the fun for them by pelting and clashing with the army. Curfiew won't be going on indefinitely as you must understand. In the mean time these kids need to be like million other Kashmiri kids and stay put instead of being used and thrown under the bus by a few nonsensical idiots.

This 'curfew' has been in place for over 2 weeks. When do you think the first phase of lifting it will start?
 
As I said, kashmir is not a unique situation in India. The blue print is already there which everytime worked in past (otherwise India would have been broken to pieces considering how many separatist movements were going on in 80s and 90s in different states) to bring prosper and growth.

It will take time. But it paved the way.

It is unique as it was almost accepted by all it would be part of Pakistan when partition took place. Its also unique having UN resoluations confirming they have a right to self determination and it's disupted land.

You claim to be a liberal but cant find it within youself to allow people to live how they want?

every Kashmiri who hates India has the right to move out of India permanently . No one is blocking from that.

Kashmir is not part of India, try again.

90 percent? Is that just you in that "official" poll? With 10 percent bias for some Indian thing u like. If they hate India they won't be there for 70 years going about their lives. Use the same common sense you preach. Majority of the 700k are in the border areas by the way. Read up on stuff that you are ignorant about. The Jihadi culture in 90s ruined kashmir and will be weeded out. Pakistan is hoping for pre 1947 in kashmir. India is just looking for pre 1990. India has time and resources, Pakistan has none.

Again. Stop and think, use some common sense. India has hundreds of thousands of troops in the land. This isn't for singing songs on the streets but to control a population who are against them.

Show me why you believe the majority want to be with India? Any reasoning based on ground realities?

Kashmiris never wanted to be part of Pakistan either then why is Imran Khan giving his independence day speech from POK as if it was part of his country.

Vaccate POK and Gilgit asap and hold a plebiscite there then come back and talk to India about morality.

All these goons are trained by Pakistan to revolt against India and kill innocent human beings and you are talking about humanity.

Unlike Pakistan double standards, Indian version is simple Kashmir was/is part of India.

Again, IK has tweeted Kashmiris have the right to self determination but it the resolution calls for the whole of Kashmir to get this right. If Pakistan gives them the vote, do you agree India should do to?
 
More pics and videos please before Modi Trump meeting preferably
 
This 'curfew' has been in place for over 2 weeks. When do you think the first phase of lifting it will start?

It already did in Jammu. People already know what they need to do to enjoy their liberties. It's all in their hands.
 
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