[PICTURES] For those who hail Jasprit Bumrah, must acknowledge the greatness of the Real Head of the Table (Imran Khan)

[The Bald Eagle]

People and especially Indian fans are always in so awe for Jasprit Bumrah and they have every legit reason to exhibit and express so much faith in his ability but the things and tall claims to paint him as the ATG are far from the reality because there were many other great bowlers before him too which exhibited such skills that hardly could any replicate.

The legendary World Cup winning captain, Imran Khan is a case in hand who was and is head and shoulders above Bumrah. While Bumrah has cost India many matches due to his No-balls, in comparison the Pakistan former captain hasn't bowled one in his entire career. Let's leave the small matrix and delve into some big statistics; You name it be it wickets taken in similar number of matches, 5fers or Test 10 fers. Khan reigns supreme over the current generation Indian sensation. Furthermore, a Comparitive analysis between both bowlers in their prime also show who is the real Tribal Chief.

So a question to Jasprit Bumrah's ardent fans, would they acknowledge the real Tribal Chief?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@Devadwal, Happy February. If you remember....

 

[gazza619]

Nice post. The greatest of Khan doesn’t need the acknowledgment of teenage posters on this forum.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Nice post. The greatest of Khan doesn’t need the acknowledgment of teenage Indian posters on this forum.

I know brother gazza, but for the past 6 months. Indians have been praising Bumrah day and night. Even ICC is hell bent to give him all the cricketer of the years accolade. But hopefully after seeing these stats comparison they won't make the claim for Bumrah to be the ATG.

PS: I believe Bumrah is a great bowler but NOT the best at all....

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Saw his stats from the 80’s, no Pakistani comes close to him…don’t care how good Wasim was, he wasn’t doing it like Immy on and off the field.

 

[Devadwal]

@Devadwal, Happy February. If you remember....

Post the Home& away records and against top 4 team of that era

 

[anikrc1]

Imran legitimately have the claim of having the highest peak in test match ever. Indians ackknowledge this.

 

[Devadwal]

Btw have you checked the Adam voges test record @The Bald Eagle

Anyway imran khan is one the finest all rounder ever to play cricket .nobody denied it .

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Post the Home& away records and against top 4 team of that era

You are more than welcome mate. Let's bring on the stats.

But just for your information . He drawn that series unlike losing it away from home after his career best show like some ATG

Imran Khan's Pakistan team came close to ending the West Indies' undefeated home test series record in 1987–88. However, the West Indies won the series.

Explanation
In 1987–88, Pakistan toured the West Indies and played in a test series.

During the tour, Pakistan came close to ending the West Indies' undefeated home test series record.
In the first test, Pakistan defeated the West Indies by 9 wickets. Imran Khan took 11 wickets in the match.

In the second test, the West Indies won and leveled the series.

 

[Devadwal]

You are more than welcome mate. Let's bring on the stats.

But just for your information . He drawn that series unlike losing it away from home after his career best show like some ATG

Imran Khan's Pakistan team came close to ending the West Indies' undefeated home test series record in 1987–88. However, the West Indies won the series.

Explanation
In 1987–88, Pakistan toured the West Indies and played in a test series.

During the tour, Pakistan came close to ending the West Indies' undefeated home test series record.
In the first test, Pakistan defeated the West Indies by 9 wickets. Imran Khan took 11 wickets in the match.

In the second test, the West Indies won and leveled the series.

No if and but .if Bumrah would have bowled in the final innings than BGT series would have been drawn 2-2 .

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Really liked this comment by @AZulfi

Also let’s not forget Imran missed 2.5 of his peak years from 1983-1986 because of a stress fracture. Otherwise his career stats (already great) would have been even better

 

[The Bald Eagle]

No if and but .if Bumrah would have bowled in the final innings than BGT series would have been drawn 2-2 .

Yep my friend, Bumrah who just missed the bowling effectively in the 2nd Innings would have helped India defend a mammoth total of 162.

 

[Devadwal]

Yep my friend, Bumrah who just missed the bowling effectively in the 2nd Innings would have helped India defend a mammoth total of 162.

Bumrah is already defended 119 and 30 runs in 30 balls at the one the biggest stages of World cricket.

He had won the match when india was bundled out under 150 runs at the Perth test .

Nothing is impossible for GOAT

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bumrah is already defended 119 and 30 runs in 30 balls at the one the biggest stages of World cricket.

He had won the match when india was bundled out under 150 runs at the Perth test .

Nothing is impossible for GOAT

Mate he could GOTG ( Greatest Of This Generation) but not GOAT. My basic premise that you forgot. If I am wrong then plz present your case. An open challenge for all.

And of 150 at Perth is a different story but 119 was a feat that couldn't have been possible because of great contributions from some Pakistan players, epic bottling. That is why I have made a comparison between the real Pak ATG but your proclaimed ATG. Yep could be Indian ATG. But not the GOAT

 

[Devadwal]

Mate he could GOTG ( Greatest Of This Generation) but not GOAT. My basic premise that you forgot. If I am wrong then plz present your case. An open challenge for all.

And of 150 at Perth is a different story but 119 was a feat that couldn't have been possible because of great contributions from some Pakistan players, epic bottling. That is why I have made a comparison between the real Pak ATG but your proclaimed ATG. Yep could be Indian ATG. But not the GOAT

Pakistan Pacers in early 80s and 90s were also got a big contribution from bottle caps .

One the Major reason of their success.

Bhai sabko pta hai kon kitne Pani main hai

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Even Bumrah is a fan of IK's aura:

"We’ve seen Pat Cummins doing really well. When I was a child, I’d seen Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis as captains. Kapil Dev has won us a World Cup. Imran Khan has won a World Cup for Pakistan. So, bowlers are the smart ones."

 

[Rana]

Imran Khan, whatever he does or whatever happens go him as a result, it’s big news

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The greatest Asian cricketer

 

[Rajdeep]

If this thread is an attempt to glorify Imran Khan by OP as a fanboy, I have no issues. However, LOL at the manipulated stats. It is a case of pure nitpicking.

@Buffet can you pls do some stats comparison between Imran and Bumrah. Should be fun

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If this thread is an attempt to glorify Imran Khan by OP as a fanboy, I have no issues. However, LOL at the manipulated stats. It is a case of pure nitpicking.

@Buffet can you pls do some stats comparison between Imran and Bumrah. Should be fun

I accept your challenge, but to be fair for everyone. Has chosen the stats after almost identical stages in life. That is after 84 innings of bowlings in Test. Lol instead Bumrah stats are after 86 innings ie 2 extra innings but I am biased.

Mate just acknowledge him like other nice Indian posters. Aka your Tribal Chief

 

[The Bald Eagle]

If this thread is an attempt to glorify Imran Khan by OP as a fanboy, I have no issues. However, LOL at the manipulated stats. It is a case of pure nitpicking.

@Buffet can you pls do some stats comparison between Imran and Bumrah. Should be fun

The Sachin Tendulkar of 1980s vs Imran Khan

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Which Test captain was most often dismissed by his opposite number? Was it Sunil Gavaskar by Imran Khan?

Sunil Gavaskar was dismissed five times by Imran Khan in Tests in which they were both captain.

Source: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ften-dismissed-by-his-opposite-number-1220176

 

[GoUgandaCranes]

The other forum where I reside has seen a massive uptake in Imran's popularity within Aussie / Indian fanbase. Whatever stat that pops up for Cummins or Bumrah that shows their greatness is headed by IK & then they go like damn, Immi K what a player.

Most wickets in a calendar year, Most Man of series (when Ashwin retired, IK had fewer MOTS but played fewer series than Ashwin & was MOTS every third series that he played on average which was the best), Most wickets as a captain, greatest peak in cricket as an all-rounder, highest Wisden bowling ranking etc.

If he wasn't in jail & hadn't been associated with politics, we'd see a resurgence in his popularity as a cricketer. It's just that he's so big outside the game that his in game performance is almost forgotten by so many. I mean talk about being an icon.

 

[khyberlion]

Imran Khan is comfortably the greatest Asian cricketer.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The greatest Asian cricketer

@cricketjoshila @Hitman any doubts?

 

[Ab Fan]

Imran was a great bowler but his record is massively boosted via home pitches where he dominated opposition like a spinner do on rank turners.

What was the magic behind such phenomenal success at home(avg 19 and almost 4.5 WPM) that he couldn’t replicate the same away from home( avg 25.76 and 4 WPM)?

It does seem like both Imran and Waqar were able to replicate the same magic till 1994 but post that somehow Pakistan’s home stats went all downhill despite having bigger names playing in that team( the likes of Inzy, Anwar, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shoaib coming in then Afridi, Yousuf etc).

So, Imran’s away stats:-

Matches - 50
Wkt - 199
Avg - 25.76

Bumrah’s away stats :-

Matches - 33
Wkts - 158
Avg - 20.06

 

[mominsaigol]

Imran was a great bowler but his record is massively boosted via home pitches where he dominated opposition like a spinner do on rank turners.

What was the magic behind such phenomenal success at home(avg 19 and almost 4.5 WPM) that he couldn’t replicate the same away from home( avg 25.76 and 4 WPM)?

It does seem like both Imran and Waqar were able to replicate the same magic till 1994 but post that somehow Pakistan’s home stats went all downhill despite having bigger names playing in that team( the likes of Inzy, Anwar, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shoaib coming in then Afridi, Yousuf etc).

So, Imran’s away stats:-

Matches - 50
Wkt - 199
Avg - 25.76

Bumrah’s away stats :-

Matches - 33
Wkts - 158
Avg - 20.06

A) Imran faced tougher batters. Bunrah facing usman khawaja, same konstas etc isn't the same. He got smoked against nz when he played against proper batsmen.

B) Imran was a great bowler but his record is massively boosted via home pitches where he dominated opposition like a spinner do on rank turners.

Lmao, hypocrite. Ashwin and jadeja

 

[mominsaigol]

If this thread is an attempt to glorify Imran Khan by OP as a fanboy, I have no issues. However, LOL at the manipulated stats. It is a case of pure nitpicking.

@Buffet can you pls do some stats comparison between Imran and Bumrah. Should be fun

Why don't you do it?

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is so overrated it's criminal. But it's not a surprise, I remember zaheer Khan threads on PP .

Bumrah is the best ever pacer from India. Weird how it took India nearly a 100 years to find 2 good pacers, Bumrah and shami.

 

[Rajdeep]

Imran Khan is comfortably the greatest Asian cricketer.

And you concluded that based on what? LOL

 

[mominsaigol]

And you concluded that based on what? LOL

He's a bowler + batter. How many Asian cricketers can you think of that are equally good and match winners in both regards?

At home he's a Mcgrath level bowler and away he's atleast a Cummins level Bowler at worst and Pollock level at best.

Batting wise he's extremely good in both formats for his era.

Sachin is a batter only and if I pick and choose the near 50+ games he lost as a batter 2000 onwards you're gonna scream and cry and whine and speak in 3rd person.

Same qith dravid, Quality atg test batter, Overrated odi batter.

Kapil dev is the only one who logically co.pares.

An atg allrounder who's equal with the bat and ball will always be a bigger match winner then a pure batsmen or pure bowler since both parties need to rely on their team counterparts to win games for them.

For example aus posted 438 vs sa but it's irrelevant if the bowlers were run machines and sa won.

Problem is in cricket their haven't been many allrounders who have been equally good with bat and ball. Maxwell is a batting allrounder. Pollock and Cummins are bowling allrounders etc etc.

 

[Rajdeep]

The Sachin Tendulkar of 1980s vs Imran Khan

=====

Which Test captain was most often dismissed by his opposite number? Was it Sunil Gavaskar by Imran Khan?

Sunil Gavaskar was dismissed five times by Imran Khan in Tests in which they were both captain.

Source: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/...ften-dismissed-by-his-opposite-number-1220176

You coming across as desperate now to sell Imran Khan in front of Indian posters. I would strongly urge you to not do this. He is a legendary cricketer without any doubt. However your jealousy against Bumrah and constant need of seeking validation of Pak bowlers from Indians is so strong that you have created a thread comparing him with a player who has retired from the game even before Bumrah was born and that too with flimsy stats.

Imran Khan dismissed Sunil Gavaskar 5 times in tests in which they were both captain. And?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

You coming across as desperate now to sell Imran Khan in front of Indian posters. I would strongly urge you to not do this. He is a legendary cricketer without any doubt. However your jealousy against Bumrah and constant need of seeking validation of Pak bowlers from Indians is so strong that you have created a thread comparing him with a player who has retired from the game even before Bumrah was born and that too with flimsy stats.

Imran Khan dismissed Sunil Gavaskar 5 times in tests in which they were both captain. And?

And if I am not wrong Sunil Gavaskar the great was his bunny. If we compare face to face overall stats. @Rajdeep only that person look desperate who could just talk only but can't back it up with stats? Isn't it obvious

 

[gani999]

Imran Khan is one of the greatest the game has even seen and no sane Indian would deny that. Jasprit is the best today, and I'm sure no sane Pakistani would deny that either.

Why is the OP showing us his deep seated insecurity by starting such threads?

 

[Rajdeep]

And if I am not wrong Sunil Gavaskar the great was his bunny. If we compare face to face overall stats. @Rajdeep only that person look desperate who could just talk only but can't back it up with stats? Isn't it obvious

I am not following your line of argument at all. I have not seen both Sunil Gavaskar or Imran Khan play but lets assume Sunny was his bunny based on some PDS (Pakistani delusional syndrome), so what? What are you trying to say and how does that makes him better than Bumrah, head of the table, chair or all other flimsy stuffs you put on OP?

I know where all this heart ache is coming from...it is the ICC award that Bumrah won recently. Man you are a jealous guy

 

[Rajdeep]

Imran Khan is one of the greatest the game has even seen and no sane Indian would deny that. Jasprit is the best today, and I'm sure no sane Pakistani would deny that either.

Why is the OP showing us his deep seated insecurity by starting such threads?

ICC cricketer of the year that Bumrah won has made OP insecure that he directly started comparing him with a player retired before he was born.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

ICC cricketer of the year that Bumrah won has made OP insecure that he directly started comparing him with a player retired before he was born.

Lol...don't blush when someone state you the facts. Just stop calling him GOAT. Simple as that. Bumrah an ATG fine but GOAT lol....you guys will just make fun of yourselves

Imran Khan is one of the greatest the game has even seen and no sane Indian would deny that. Jasprit is the best today, and I'm sure no sane Pakistani would deny that either.

Why is the OP showing us his deep seated insecurity by starting such threads?

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Imran was a great bowler but his record is massively boosted via home pitches where he dominated opposition like a spinner do on rank turners.

What was the magic behind such phenomenal success at home(avg 19 and almost 4.5 WPM) that he couldn’t replicate the same away from home( avg 25.76 and 4 WPM)?

It does seem like both Imran and Waqar were able to replicate the same magic till 1994 but post that somehow Pakistan’s home stats went all downhill despite having bigger names playing in that team( the likes of Inzy, Anwar, Wasim, Waqar, Saqlain, Shoaib coming in then Afridi, Yousuf etc).

So, Imran’s away stats:-

Matches - 50
Wkt - 199
Avg - 25.76

Bumrah’s away stats :-

Matches - 33
Wkts - 158
Avg - 20.06

Nice stats but below are in full versions

IK


Bumrah


PS: Bumrah yet to take a 10-fer, also the quality of batters in both generations is before everyone

Also let’s not forget Imran missed 2.5 of his peak years from 1983-1986 because of a stress fracture. Otherwise his career stats (already great) would have been even better

 

[Rajdeep]

Nice stats but below are in full versions

IK
View attachment 150335

Bumrah
View attachment 150336

PS: Bumrah yet to take a 10-fer, also the quality of batters in both generations is before everyone

What? If anything this stats is only showing Bumrah is better.

That's why I said, lets not dig into stats further which will only save you from embarrassment. If your issue is why some Indians called him GOAT and that upset you much, okay we won't. He will also not be playing in upcoming CT to cause mayhem against your team like he did in last few encounters, so chill bro.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

What? If anything this stats is only showing Bumrah is better.

That's why I said, lets not dig into stats further which will only save you from embarrassment. If your issue is why some Indians called him GOAT and that upset you much, okay we won't. He will also not be playing in upcoming CT to cause mayhem against your team like he did in last few encounters, so chill bro.

Thanks for indirectly acknowledging the IK as ...... IYKWIM

 

[RexRex]

Thanks for indirectly acknowledging the IK as ...... IYKWIM

Bumrah is the better cricketer, Imran is the better politician.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Bumrah is the better cricketer, Imran is the better politician.

How come, please explain. Rather than some Indians here, I am open to everything. By the way, Imran had these tremendous stats despite being an all rounder rather than a sole bowler

 

[kingusama92]

Imran Khan's real greatness is through his cricketing skillset as a whole.

Almost a perfect athlete.

He was one of the greatest cricketers to play the sport whether it was with ball, bat, or his leadership. There is no comparison on that point.

The bowling comparison between these two is close and requires further analysis on the quality of competition. The GOAT tags are of course a bit silly for Bumrah but he's had a dominant Test career. Just the fact he's among these names is a testament to his quality as a pacer.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

There is room for multiple players to be appreciated across formats and across eras.

I don't like this attitude of gate keeping. It's mainly Indians who do it when people appreciate someone than older. But our fans have also started to do it regarding Bumrah and comparisons with Pakistan players.

Bumrah will have a seat at the table amongst the goats when his career ends. So will Imran Khan. We can appreciate Imrans amazing achievements and also appreciate the great bowling spells of Bumrah. There is no need to make everything a head to head.

 

[Champ_Pal]

I’m have seen so many videos of players from 1980’s and 70’s. They are horrible and unprofessional to say the least. The tail cannot bat and the top order were bang average. Very few were good.

Not saying the likes of Imran are not great, but I will take the stats from bowlers of those eras with a bucket load of salt. The bowlers from those eras would be taken to the cleaners routinely if they play today.

This is why I rate Wasim, Waqar and Shiaib higher than Imran Khan. They bowled when the wickets were getting batsmen friendly and they he had real pace that Imran did not. Imran was a swing bowler to me that bowled around 130k’s and perhaps could crank it up to 140 on effort deliveries.

I am not going to buy the Imran khan hype. He was a shrewd captain and a great man manager and had a great eye to catch talent. That much I can give to him.

 

[Ab Fan]

Nice stats but below are in full versions

IK
View attachment 150335

Bumrah
View attachment 150336

PS: Bumrah yet to take a 10-fer, also the quality of batters in both generations is before everyone

Thanks for showing us the full version. Your post strengthens my point that that Bumrah is operating in a different league to Imran.

So you first create a thread to compare both players and when I show you the actual stats, the excuse is quality of batters now.

 

[Vikram1989]

I’m have seen so many videos of players from 1980’s and 70’s. They are horrible and unprofessional to say the least. The tail cannot bat and the top order were bang average. Very few were good.



I am not going to buy the Imran khan hype. He was a shrewd captain and a great man manager and had a great eye to catch talent. That much I can give to him.

Steve waugh wrote in his autobiography that aus bowlers used to get out voluntarily as soon as they received a bouncer from wi pacers.thats the situation of late 80s /early 90s.batsmen too will duck but not attack as the adage goes "never hook andy".you have to consider last 4 wickets are sitting ducks.wv raman said the most aggressive batsmen from sub continent also have to bat at lowest batsmen calibre so that others should not suffer at the hands of pacers.now u don't see that level of cowardice

 

[Ab Fan]

More stats for little brother @The Bald Eagle.

Away averages :-

Bumrah - 158 wkts, Avg 20
Imran - 199 wkts, Avg 25.76
Waqar - 211 wkts, Avg 26.06
Wasim - 260 wkts, Avg 24.44

Bumrah is operating in a different league altogether to all the Pakistani fast bowlers that have played the game ever. Moreover, he is also an all format great bowler which is an achievement that only 4-5 fast bowlers in the history can claim.

 

[BouncerGuy]

More stats for little brother @The Bald Eagle.

Away averages :-

Bumrah - 158 wkts, Avg 20
Imran - 199 wkts, Avg 25.76
Waqar - 211 wkts, Avg 26.06
Wasim - 260 wkts, Avg 24.44

Bumrah is operating in a different league altogether to all the Pakistani fast bowlers that have played the game ever. Moreover, he is also an all format great bowler which is an achievement that only 4-5 fast bowlers in the history can claim.

Imran has 25 avg because he was not a sole bowler. He was a good batter and was also the captain. Hope it makes some sense that doing 3 jobs and still end up matching top bowlers is a bigger achievement than doing just 1 job and be good at it...

 

[Vikram1989]

Imran has 25 avg because he was not a sole bowler. He was a good batter and was also the captain. Hope it makes some sense that doing 3 jobs and still end up matching top bowlers is a bigger achievement than doing just 1 job and be good at it...

Whole point of the thread Is appreciation of imran as the best bowler ahead of bumrah .

 

[Hitman]

Some Pakistani fans are in love with Younis Khan's 4th innings record, and use it to prove his 'superiority' over Indian players. I wonder why they don't bring up Imran's 'extraordinary' bowling record in 4th innings in this thread and compare it with Bumrah, LOL.​

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If Bumrah goes on to get 250+ wkts with the same record he has now, I will consider him as a better bowler than Imran.

Imran was also a 37 averaging batsman, and that definitely takes him above Bumrah as a package. That’s why I think he is the best Asian cricketer.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Whole point of the thread Is appreciation of imran as the best bowler ahead of bumrah .

Imran deserves appreciation actually...

 

[cricketjoshila]

@cricketjoshila @Hitman any doubts?

Yes doubts.

The greatest Asian cricketer is Sachin Tendulkar followed by Wasim Akram and then Muralidharan.

 

[Hitman]

Yes doubts.

The greatest Asian cricketer is Sachin Tendulkar followed by Wasim Akram and then Muralidharan.

It's funny everytime any list of greatest cricketers comes up by someone with merit in the game, Imran never, ever comes up as the greatest cricketer from Asia. But I'll give him that he has always come up as the second greatest cricketer from Asia whenever such lists have been made, after a certain Indian.

Can't blame his fans from Pakistan though. Even a lot of Kapil fans from India believe he is a better all rounder than Imran. Being a blind fan of someone makes you believe in crazy things.​

 

[Vikram1989]

Imran deserves appreciation actually...

He deserves appreciation every bit as he is the leader (first of its kind in sub continental culture) not just a captain. But in bowling comparison ,its different matter.

 

[Ab Fan]

Imran has 25 avg because he was not a sole bowler. He was a good batter and was also the captain. Hope it makes some sense that doing 3 jobs and still end up matching top bowlers is a bigger achievement than doing just 1 job and be good at it...

I acknowledge Imran as one of the greatest cricketers ever but here the comparison is about fast bowling only. I am only making my point to argue against the claim that OP has made in his opening post. I didn’t talked about their overall utility as a cricketer.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I acknowledge Imran as one of the greatest cricketers ever but here the comparison is about fast bowling only. I am only making my point to argue against the claim that OP has made in his opening post. I didn’t talked about their overall utility as a cricketer.

I acknowledge Bumrah as well... He is the greatest one in the current era. no doubts.

Imran has other things to do apart from just bowling that affected his stats overall. That is my point

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

You can be a great fan of both, it doesn’t have to be a contradiction.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's funny everytime any list of greatest cricketers comes up by someone with merit in the game, Imran never, ever comes up as the greatest cricketer from Asia. But I'll give him that he has always come up as the second greatest cricketer from Asia whenever such lists have been made, after a certain Indian.

Can't blame his fans from Pakistan though. Even a lot of Kapil fans from India believe he is a better all rounder than Imran. Being a blind fan of someone makes you believe in crazy things.​

See Imran is a ATG. Without doubt. But so are Gavaskar or Dravid or Sanga. They are not greatest from Asia.

 

[uppercut]

here is the most important "picture" thats missing in the OP

@Hitman
@cricketjoshila
@Rajdeep
@Devadwal

 

[Ab Fan]

I acknowledge Bumrah as well... He is the greatest one in the current era. no doubts.

Imran has other things to do apart from just bowling that affected his stats overall. That is my point

Imran’s bowling career had started impacting due to injuries. Hence, he focussed on his batting more and in final years, became a batting all rounder who would be a stock bowler mostly.

But his whole bowling legacy is built on the magic that he weaved between 1980-1984. Nobody in the history of the game created the kind of magic that Imran was able to built on flat pitches in Pakistan between 1980-1984. His test average in 70s was 31.5.

But in first half of 80s, it was like as if someone with extremely superhuman skills has come to earth to destroy opponents at home. He picked 134 wickets in 26 tests at avg of 16 during this period. At home, he picked 83 wickets at avg of 15. That’s insane.

What or how Imran weaved this magic during that period is what his legacy as a fast bowler is.

 

[Ab Fan]

^ One modification to the above post.

That period was actually 1980-1986 and not till 1984.

Here is his home and away record between 1980-1986:-

Home - 118 wickets @14.3
Away - 66 wickets @18.7

At home, he was by far the best but away there were few better than him.

Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Lol...don't blush when someone state you the facts. Just stop calling him GOAT. Simple as that. Bumrah an ATG fine but GOAT lol....you guys will just make fun of yourselves

Imran is not the GOAT bowler

 

[mominsaigol]

Yes doubts.

The greatest Asian cricketer is Sachin Tendulkar followed by Wasim Akram and then Muralidharan.

Wasim and murli > IK? Lol

 

[Itachi]

I don't why OP requires validation from other posters in the forum.

If you believe IK is great, be it.

The whole premise of this thread seeks validation

Just present the case without some type of confrontation. Learn from W63L35.

 

[FastBowlingAllrounder]

Bumrah is already defended 119 and 30 runs in 30 balls at the one the biggest stages of World cricket.

He had won the match when india was bundled out under 150 runs at the Perth test .

Nothing is impossible for GOAT

While he's a great bowler and was certainly on song until the last 2 days of that series, defending just 162 was still a tough ask and a tall claim. You forget that in Perth, Jaiswal and Kohli showed up in the second innings and gave India lots of runs to bowl to. Australia still managed 200+ in the 4th innings of that match and if the Indian batting order hadn't fired in the 2nd innings even that 1st match could've become tricky for India to win.

 

[mominsaigol]

Bumrah is already defended 119 and 30 runs in 30 balls at the one the biggest stages of World cricket.

He had won the match when india was bundled out under 150 runs at the Perth test .

Nothing is impossible for GOAT

If nothing is impossible, why did India lose 2 games before Perth?

 

[Hitman]

Bumrah is a great bowler. Neither me nor anyone else can take that away from him. But there's a thing called mileage. It's mileage along with average and SR that makes a good bowler a great one, and a great one among the GOATS.

I seriously want at least 350 Test wickets from him. If he does that, I'll rate him among the likes of Lillee and Hadlee.​

 

[Hitman]

Bumrah is a great bowler. Neither me nor anyone else can take that away from him. But there's a thing called mileage. It's mileage along with average and SR that makes a good bowler a great one, and a great one among the GOATS.

I seriously want at least 350 Test wickets from him. If he does that, I'll rate him among the likes of Lillee and Hadlee.​

But if you ask me his place among Indian fast bowlers, he comes up on top by a kilo country mile. It's an insult to the art of fast bowling to compare any Indian fast bowler with Bumrah.

 

[sweep_shot]

Bumrah is heavily pampered. That's the secret behind his success.

The moment he had to work just a bit harder, he got injured.

He is a good bowler but is quite brittle and with a suspicious action.

 

[Hitman]

Bumrah is heavily pampered. That's the secret behind his success.

The moment he had to work just a bit harder, he got injured.

He is a good bowler but is quite brittle and with a suspicious action.

If that's the secret of his success, every team will pamper each one of their fast bowler provided they can give output like Bumrah

 

[Ab Fan]

Bumrah is a great bowler. Neither me nor anyone else can take that away from him. But there's a thing called mileage. It's mileage along with average and SR that makes a good bowler a great one, and a great one among the GOATS.

I seriously want at least 350 Test wickets from him. If he does that, I'll rate him among the likes of Lillee and Hadlee.​

More than quantity, it should be about the quality of his wickets.

Top teams in his era are Australia, India, England, New Zealand and South Africa. India don’t play Pakistan so 5th opponent would be SL. Then BD and WI.

So, out of these 7 opponents, three are SL, BD and WI. If he can pick 200 wickets vs top 4 opponents then whatever he produces vs other three hardly matters. That would just boost his stats and that’s what a lot of other pacers have done. Those who sustained their performance vs top 4-5 opponents are the only top tier ATGs and rest is just adding up as numbers.

Does Bumrah has longevity vs top 4 opponents? I would say probably 40-50 more quality wickets and he would have enough.

 

[Ab Fan]

The greatest Asian cricketer

Tests maybe, overall No.

 

[cricketjoshila]

While he's a great bowler and was certainly on song until the last 2 days of that series, defending just 162 was still a tough ask and a tall claim. You forget that in Perth, Jaiswal and Kohli showed up in the second innings and gave India lots of runs to bowl to. Australia still managed 200+ in the 4th innings of that match and if the Indian batting order hadn't fired in the 2nd innings even that 1st match could've become tricky for India to win.

Would Australia score 180 in the first innings if Bumrah was not injured?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Bumrah is a great bowler. Neither me nor anyone else can take that away from him. But there's a thing called mileage. It's mileage along with average and SR that makes a good bowler a great one, and a great one among the GOATS.

I seriously want at least 350 Test wickets from him. If he does that, I'll rate him among the likes of Lillee and Hadlee.​

At 350 wkts with the same avg and SR Bumrah will be far ahead of Lille and Hadlee.

Only Marshall will remain in comparison.

 

[Romali_rotti]

here is the most important "picture" thats missing in the OP

@Hitman
@cricketjoshila
@Rajdeep
@Devadwal

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Well then there is the Pakistani home umpires to top it off, helping Imran look immortal.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Bumrah needs to finish his career with 290-300 wickets at under 20 avg to be considered an atg imo...

I don't think he will get there, his body will break down, he is the only bowler for India and having to shoulder all that load is too much for one player...

 

[Ab Fan]

At 350 wkts with the same avg and SR Bumrah will be far ahead of Lille and Hadlee.

Only Marshall will remain in comparison.

It is very unlikely that he will maintain that average of 19 with 350 wickets.

But 350 wickets at 21-22 won’t put him above McGrath and Hadlee either.

I think he will likely pick 80-100 more and there will be some decline too. Probably somewhere between 280-320 wickets at avg of 21-22.

That would include the output of 200+ away wickets at 22-23 and will put him above Imran Khan as a test bowler.

Imran’s 362 wickets constitutes 199 wickets away from home at 25.76.

So, unless Bumrah has a major decline in his next 3-4 years or 20 tests, he should go past Imran as a test bowler.

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is very unlikely that he will maintain that average of 19 with 350 wickets.

But 350 wickets at 21-22 won’t put him above McGrath and Hadlee either.

I think he will likely pick 80-100 more and there will be some decline too. Probably somewhere between 280-320 wickets at avg of 21-22.

That would include the output of 200+ away wickets at 22-23 and will put him above Imran Khan as a test bowler.

Imran’s 362 wickets constitutes 199 wickets away from home at 25.76.

So, unless Bumrah has a major decline in his next 3-4 years or 20 tests, he should go past Imran as a test bowler.

Bumrah is 31. I doubt he will play more than 1 format after 2027. So that decline due to injuries may not come.

Bumrah like McGrath and Marshall relies on skills and accuracy so the decline in pace post 33-34 may also not affect him that much.

If Bumrah is fit to play England series and other test series this year, his avg will go into 18s.

Bumrah is extremely frugal Even when not taking wickets thats why i think he will end 19-20 bracket in bowling avg.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

More stats for little brother @The Bald Eagle.

Away averages :-

Bumrah - 158 wkts, Avg 20
Imran - 199 wkts, Avg 25.76
Waqar - 211 wkts, Avg 26.06
Wasim - 260 wkts, Avg 24.44

Bumrah is operating in a different league altogether to all the Pakistani fast bowlers that have played the game ever. Moreover, he is also an all format great bowler which is an achievement that only 4-5 fast bowlers in the history can claim.

@Ab Fan I like your discourse, because atleast unlike other posters you come up with stats and logic to get your point across. But thankfully, your little question made me do a search for detail stats that hilariously debunk your argument


Bumrah's average against all teams in Test is below. And as in IK's time there wasn't any SENA but ENA. So his avg against ENA is 28.25. Ang against NZ it is awful. While Imran's avg is 25.19 against ENA