[PICTURES] ICC asks BCCI to remove Indian army insignia from MS Dhoni's gloves; COA says No [#207]

[Zeeraq]

The International Cricket Council (ICC) has asked the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for removal of an Indian army insignia from Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s gloves, according to media reports on Thursday.

The “Balidaan Badge” or the army insignia was spotted on Dhoni’s gloves during India’s opening game on Wednesday in the ongoing World Cup, Hindustan Times reported.

Claire Furlong, ICC's general manager of Strategic Communications, said that the BCCI has been asked to get the symbol removed from Dhoni’s gloves. “We have requested the BCCI to get it removed,” she was quoted as saying by NDTV.

According to Hindustan Times, Balidaan is a distinct insignia of India's special forces, which form part of the Parachute Regiment. It has a commando dagger pointed downwards, with upward-extending wings extending from the blade and a scroll superimposed on the blade with “Balidaan” inscribed in Devanagari, said the publication, adding only paramilitary commandos are allowed to wear the badge.

Dhoni, who was conferred an honorary rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the Parachute Regiment in 2011, had also undergone training under the Para Brigade in 2015, said Hindustan Times.

Earlier this year in March, the Indian cricket team had worn camouflage caps during a ODI match against Australia in Ranchi "as [a] mark of tribute to the loss of lives in Pulwama terror attack and the armed forces".

The move had prompted criticism from within Pakistan, with the then information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) calling for the cricket's world governing body to take action against and ban India for politicising the Gentleman's Game.

The ICC, however, had said that the Indian cricket team was granted permission to wear the camouflage caps.

“The BCCI sought permission from the ICC to wear the caps as part of a fundraising drive and in memory of fallen soldiers who have died, which was granted,” Claire Furlong had told The Associated Press.

According to ICC equipment and clothing regulations, the display of messages "that relate to political, religious or racial activities or causes" are is not permitted during an international match.

In the past, the ICC has either reprimanded or banned international players for showing off their political sentiments during international matches.

England all-rounder Moeen Ali was banned five years ago for wearing wristbands showing off slogans “Save Gaza” and “Free Palestine” during a test match against India.

In 2017, South Africa leg spinner Imran Tahir was reprimanded for showing an image of renowned pop star turned televangelist Junaid Jamshed, who died in a plane crash in December 2016, underneath his playing T-shirt during a T20 against Sri Lanka.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486716

 

[Mkumar825]

ICC has asked the BCCI to get the regimental dagger insignia of the Indian Para Special Forces symbol removed from Dhoni's wicket-keeping gloves

 

[KingKhanWC]

So Dhoni broke the rules and was politely asked to remove it while Mo was banned.

I hope all the Indian players join their forces when they retire, they could certainly do with their help.

 

[Rana]

ICC has asked the BCCI to get the regimental dagger insignia of the Indian Para Special Forces symbol removed from Dhoni's wicket-keeping glovesView attachment 92207

Request for removal?

Why no fine? I swear Moeen Ali was fined for the ‘free Palestine’ wrist band?

 

[Mkumar825]

Request for removal?

Why no fine? I swear Moeen Ali was fined for the ‘free Palestine’ wrist band?

That was more of religion related drama.

 

[ahmedzee]

Request for removal?

Why no fine? I swear Moeen Ali was fined for the ‘free Palestine’ wrist band?

Moeen Ali was BANNED for wearing the wristband. Dhoni was not fined or reprimanded. Infact ICC just politely asking BCCI to remove the logo. Indian team was not fined for wearing ARMY caps, infact they were "granted permission".

On the other hand Imran Tahir was fined for wearing Junaid Jamshed's T shirt (totally non political).

Absolutely disgusted what BCCI has become and how ICC don't have the guts to do the right thing.

 

[Mkumar825]

So Dhoni broke the rules and was politely asked to remove it while Mo was banned.

I hope all the Indian players join their forces when they retire, they could certainly do with their help.

Dhoni is Lieutenant Colonel in Indian army .

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dhoni is Lieutenant Colonel in Indian army .

He could be a tuk tuk driver at night but there are clear rules which he has broken so should be punished accordingly.

The symbol looks like something out of Indiana Jones and the temple of doom.

 

[MenInG]

 

[Mueez]

I also saw a cover of Indian Army on the MacBook of Shastri.

Did ICC notice that?

 

[Swashbuckler]

Team India should follow ICC rules like other teams. I believe they have rules and regulations about what can or can not be printed on sports kits.

 

[ali061091]

Oh man what are they trying to prove with these cheap antics?

 

[Mamoon]

The International Cricket Council (ICC) has asked the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) for removal of an Indian army insignia from Mahendra Singh Dhoni’s gloves, according to media reports on Thursday.

The “Balidaan Badge” or the army insignia was spotted on Dhoni’s gloves during India’s opening game on Wednesday in the ongoing World Cup, Hindustan Times reported.

Claire Furlong, ICC's general manager of Strategic Communications, said that the BCCI has been asked to get the symbol removed from Dhoni’s gloves. “We have requested the BCCI to get it removed,” she was quoted as saying by NDTV.

According to Hindustan Times, Balidaan is a distinct insignia of India's special forces, which form part of the Parachute Regiment. It has a commando dagger pointed downwards, with upward-extending wings extending from the blade and a scroll superimposed on the blade with “Balidaan” inscribed in Devanagari, said the publication, adding only paramilitary commandos are allowed to wear the badge.

Dhoni, who was conferred an honorary rank of Lieutenant Colonel in the Parachute Regiment in 2011, had also undergone training under the Para Brigade in 2015, said Hindustan Times.

Earlier this year in March, the Indian cricket team had worn camouflage caps during a ODI match against Australia in Ranchi "as [a] mark of tribute to the loss of lives in Pulwama terror attack and the armed forces".

The move had prompted criticism from within Pakistan, with the then information minister, Fawad Chaudhry, Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi and the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) calling for the cricket's world governing body to take action against and ban India for politicising the Gentleman's Game.

The ICC, however, had said that the Indian cricket team was granted permission to wear the camouflage caps.

“The BCCI sought permission from the ICC to wear the caps as part of a fundraising drive and in memory of fallen soldiers who have died, which was granted,” Claire Furlong had told The Associated Press.

According to ICC equipment and clothing regulations, the display of messages "that relate to political, religious or racial activities or causes" are is not permitted during an international match.

In the past, the ICC has either reprimanded or banned international players for showing off their political sentiments during international matches.

England all-rounder Moeen Ali was banned five years ago for wearing wristbands showing off slogans “Save Gaza” and “Free Palestine” during a test match against India.

In 2017, South Africa leg spinner Imran Tahir was reprimanded for showing an image of renowned pop star turned televangelist Junaid Jamshed, who died in a plane crash in December 2016, underneath his playing T-shirt during a T20 against Sri Lanka.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1486716

[MENTION=146948]Slim[/MENTION]

Aren’t ICC supposed to be scared of BCCI?

 

[Mamoon]

So Dhoni broke the rules and was politely asked to remove it while Mo was banned.

I hope all the Indian players join their forces when they retire, they could certainly do with their help.

There is a difference between Moeen (an English player) wearing a “Save Gaza” bracelet and an Indian player wearing gloves with an Indian army insignia.

It is hardly recognizable anyway. 99% of the people don’t even know what the Indian army insignia looks like. It wasn’t a big deal and ICC didn’t need to ban it, so we should appreciate them instead of comparing it to what Moeen did.

 

[Bhaijaan]

So Dhoni broke the rules and was politely asked to remove it while Mo was banned.

I hope all the Indian players join their forces when they retire, they could certainly do with their help.

Dhoni is an ATG

You don’t talk to ATGs the same manner as you would too random guys

 

[Bhaijaan]

Nothing political about what Dhoni did. BCCI should protest.

It’s a conspiracy to divert India’s focus on off the field matters

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is a difference between Moeen (an English player) wearing a “Save Gaza” bracelet and an Indian player wearing gloves with an Indian army insignia.

It is hardly recognizable anyway. 99% of the people don’t even know what the Indian army insignia looks like. It wasn’t a big deal and ICC didn’t need to ban it, so we should appreciate them instead of comparing it to what Moeen did.

Irrelevant it breaks the rules and since PCB and others from the cricketing world weren’t happy with the army caps , ICC had to act this time but so far aren’t banning him because the Indians & fellow supporters such as yourself would have a breakdown. Talking of breakdowns if Sarfraz has a Pak army symbol on his gloves , your view would be opposite so please save us the desperate excuses now .

 

[zulfiqar]

I seriously don't give a crap. Who cares! But I agree that Moeen wearing the bracelet should've also been ignored. Just because he is Muslim does not mean he's doing it for the "Islamic brotherhood". A non-Muslim could also support that cause (and many do).

 

[KingKhanWC]

Dhoni is an ATG

You don’t talk to ATGs the same manner as you would too random guys

I don’t ‘worship’ cricketers . Therefore I find it fine to criticise them if it’s valid . Nobody is above the law outside of the Bollywood world.

 

[KingKhanWC]

There is a difference between Moeen (an English player) wearing a “Save Gaza” bracelet and an Indian player wearing gloves with an Indian army insignia.

It is hardly recognizable anyway. 99% of the people don’t even know what the Indian army insignia looks like. It wasn’t a big deal and ICC didn’t need to ban it, so we should appreciate them instead of comparing it to what Moeen did.

Irrelevant it breaks the rules and since PCB and others from the cricketing world weren’t happy with the army caps , ICC had to act this time but so far aren’t banning him because the Indians & fellow supporters such as yourself would have a breakdown. Talking of breakdowns if Sarfraz has a Pak army symbol on his gloves , your view would be opposite so please save us the desperate excuses now .

 

[nam]

Is India vs Pakistan still happening?
Whatever happened to not playing with terrorist nation? ) ) ) )

 

[Extra_Cover]

There is a difference between Moeen (an English player) wearing a “Save Gaza” bracelet and an Indian player wearing gloves with an Indian army insignia.

It is hardly recognizable anyway. 99% of the people don’t even know what the Indian army insignia looks like. It wasn’t a big deal and ICC didn’t need to ban it, so we should appreciate them instead of comparing it to what Moeen did.

Please don’t be a hypocrite if Sarfraz did the same.

 

[Mamoon]

Irrelevant it breaks the rules and since PCB and others from the cricketing world weren’t happy with the army caps , ICC had to act this time but so far aren’t banning him because the Indians & fellow supporters such as yourself would have a breakdown. Talking of breakdowns if Sarfraz has a Pak army symbol on his gloves , your view would be opposite so please save us the desperate excuses now .

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

 

[Mamoon]

Please don’t be a hypocrite if Sarfraz did the same.

If Sarfaraz wears a Pakistan army symbol that is not noticeable or recognizable, I won’t have any issue. It is funny because most people weren’t even aware of the symbol on Dhoni’s gloves until ICC banned them.

Unfortunately, victim mentality is part of the Pakistani genetic makeup, so now we are falsely comparing it to Moeen’s “Save Gaza” bracelet.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

Lol the reason is it’s against the rules. Now you’re suggesting India should be allowed to break rules . Wearing armed forces symbols is very wrong especially since he would have worn them against Pakistan.

Sports is about respect for the opposition & fair play but you probably haven’t played any sports so I can understand your biased position.

 

[topspin]

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

Whilst I agree Moeen shouldn't have broken the rules, however Palestine and Israel conflict isn't a religious case, it's a humanitarian cause.

 

[cric_man]

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

Palestine is not a religious cause, there are Christian Palestinians as well who are subjugated and humiliated by Israelis on a daily basis.

 

[Malik786]

Minimum 3 match ban

 

[Iddy]

Irrelevant it breaks the rules and since PCB and others from the cricketing world weren’t happy with the army caps , ICC had to act this time but so far aren’t banning him because the Indians & fellow supporters such as yourself would have a breakdown. Talking of breakdowns if Sarfraz has a Pak army symbol on his gloves , your view would be opposite so please save us the desperate excuses now .

Whilst I don't have a problem with this or what Moin and Imran Tahir were wearing the rules should be same for all so well said!

 

[Imran Hasan]

I have got a question that if any player get a political or any kind of objectionable tatto on his body(forearm,face head etc) what will happen then?

 

[HitWicket]

I have got a question that if any player get a political or any kind of objectionable tatto on his body(forearm,face head etc) what will happen then?

Presumably they'd have to have it covered, removed or wouldn't be allowed to play.

 

[Rana]

There is a difference between Moeen (an English player) wearing a “Save Gaza” bracelet and an Indian player wearing gloves with an Indian army insignia.

It is hardly recognizable anyway. 99% of the people don’t even know what the Indian army insignia looks like. It wasn’t a big deal and ICC didn’t need to ban it, so we should appreciate them instead of comparing it to what Moeen did.

Get proper Indian vibes from all of your posts

If Afridi or someone wears a ISPR logo or something on their bat you would call them out for their immaturity

 

[Thomaskutty]

Dhoni should have flat out refused to change his gloves. I don't see anything political with what he did, how did the ICC even notice. Somebody must have complained. There is only one suspect here.

 

[Captain caveman]

Dhoni should refuse to remove it. This is the honour of the indian nation.
If he gets banned, india should withdraw from the competition!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Nothing political about what Dhoni did. BCCI should protest.

It’s a conspiracy to divert India’s focus on off the field matters

In the other thread (AB D one) you were saying that no player is bigger than game. What happened in a matter of few hours?

 

[PakLFC]

It should be removed. Cricket is a game not a war.

 

[Sachin136]

People are still falling for his baits in 2019, he says something to try and be different and hopes to get a reply from people, ignore it. His reasoning that Dhoni can wear something army related and also army style caps but Moeen can’t wear a save gaza bracelet is ludicrous.

Do you seriously not understand the difference between supporting your own armed forces and bringing up a political issue in Israel?

 

[Titan24]

He could be a tuk tuk driver at night but there are clear rules which he has broken so should be punished accordingly.

The symbol looks like something out of Indiana Jones and the temple of doom.

He can refuse but then he should suffer the consequences of hopefully a lengthy ban if ICC start to grow some

Good one guys.

 

[ChennaiFan]

Do you seriously not understand the difference between supporting your own armed forces and bringing up a political issue in Israel?

Even if it is obvious, cry babies will keep crying for everything. I just hope, Indian team and the management just focus on Cricket at this time.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Do you seriously not understand the difference between supporting your own armed forces and bringing up a political issue in Israel?

Armed forces are used where? On playground or battlefield? Who controls them? Cricket board or govt? Who controls govt? Politicians or Lodha Committee members? So how is it not a political issue?

 

[moghul]

That was more of religion related drama.

it not religious, it as a human rights issue, get yourself educated, google it.

 

[CleverSir]

Should have been a 10-20% fine and warning. Not part of the uniform code so rightfully brought up. Lets not make a mountain of a mole hill.

 

[Captain caveman]

Lol what? Just go back to your cave. You are not making any sense. There is no need for Indian team management to behave like spoiled brats just because few childish fans want them to.

This is about respect!
Respect your army it protects you!
If dhoni refuses to remove the insignia and gets banned, i firmly hope india takes a stand and withdraws from the competition.
I am actually typing this in my cave, thank you very much!

 

[Titan24]

By the way what has happened to Indian army that they need support in this manner? Is it something related to Abhinandan episode?

Because I believe so other countries also have armies but none of the other teams’ players are wearing any such things. Do you really have to wear insignia to support you army? If Dhoni wouldnt have worn it would it mean he doesnt support his army? Dhoni was also given honouree position in police, why no support for them?

Pretty ridiculous if you bring in some logic into it. To be honest nobody would have even noticed, not even Indians but why would you want to do anything as useless as this and then being ordered by cricketing body to remove it. Embarrassing.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is about respect!
Respect your army it protects you!
If dhoni refuses to remove the insignia and gets banned, i firmly hope india takes a stand and withdraws from the competition.
I am actually typing this in my cave, thank you very much!

How about respecting ICC and their rules for a start?

 

[Captain caveman]

How about respecting ICC and their rules for a start?

Respect works both ways. How can a little sticker hurt anyone? Its not a hate sticker against anyone. How about pak players doing press up after scoring centuries in england to thank their army, why wasnt that banned by icc?

 

[Mamoon]

Whilst I agree Moeen shouldn't have broken the rules, however Palestine and Israel conflict isn't a religious case, it's a humanitarian cause.

Palestine is not a religious cause, there are Christian Palestinians as well who are subjugated and humiliated by Israelis on a daily basis.

The Christian population of Palestine is only about 5% - it is predominantly a Muslim vs Jew issue.

The only reason why the vast majority of Muslims care for what is happening in Palestine is because the oppressed party are Muslims. Unfortunately for most of us, humanity starts and ends with the Muslim ummah. Someone like Moeen would never wear an armband to show solidarity for the minorities who are butchered Pakistan, or show support for the persecution of Christians in various Arab countries.

In Sept 2013, a church in Peshawar was attacked by suicide bombers and over 120 Christians were martyred. It is the deadliest attack on Christians in history of Pakistan. In July 2014, Moeen Ali was seen sport a "Save Gaza" bracelet - if he really cared for humanity, why didn't he also wear a "Save Pakistani Christians" bracelet?

The notion that Palestine is a humanitarian issue rather than a religious one is a disingenuous position. The major reason why most Muslims care about Palestine is because they are Muslims.

 

[Mamoon]

Get proper Indian vibes from all of your posts

If Afridi or someone wears a ISPR logo or something on their bat you would call them out for their immaturity

If that logo is not very common or prominent, I will not have an issue with it. Let's be honest here - you and most others here had zero clue of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. Most of us didn't even notice it, and those who somehow managed to see the symbol didn't think that it was in anyway related to the Indian military. A complete non-issue in my opinion.

 

[Mamoon]

You think you're so clever that it's actually sad.
Get a life mate.

You have comprehensibly failed to address any of the points I raised. Silence is usually a better option than run of the mill responses like "get a life" and "you think you are so clever".

 

[Sachin136]

Armed forces are used where? On playground or battlefield? Who controls them? Cricket board or govt? Who controls govt? Politicians or Lodha Committee members? So how is it not a political issue?

By that logic flags and country names are also political as politicians control the government.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] You’re reasoning is flawed in this one.

Maybe it is, which is why I would like to hear your views.

 

[Mp812]

Do you seriously not understand the difference between supporting your own armed forces and bringing up a political issue in Israel?

He is a Pakistani trying hard to look like a Indian poster. Now you understand why its hard for him to understand

 

[Thomaskutty]

No need of ban.

ICC should concentrate on things that matter and govern the game. For starters, try and draw a proper tournament schedule instead of the tamasha they have for this WC where one team plays after a long delay.

 

[Rana]

If that logo is not very common or prominent, I will not have an issue with it. Let's be honest here - you and most others here had zero clue of the fact that Dhoni was sporting an Indian army symbol on his gloves. Most of us didn't even notice it, and those who somehow managed to see the symbol didn't think that it was in anyway related to the Indian military. A complete non-issue in my opinion.

But it is there. How many people would have known Moeen was wearing his wristband until there was a zoom in image? It’s been made prominent and the repercussions should be the same as those that have been handed out before.

My issue is the request to remove it. ICC need to be partial and hand him the same punishment handed to Moeen Ali

 

[satheesh]

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

sooo sensibly said ....Armed forces are there to defend your nation .That being the case, can't find any fault with any player who wears such symbols of his respective nation.

 

[Mamoon]

But it is there. How many people would have known Moeen was wearing his wristband until there was a zoom in image? It’s been made prominent and the repercussions should be the same as those that have been handed out before.

My issue is the request to remove it. ICC need to be partial and hand him the same punishment handed to Moeen Ali

"Save Gaza" is recognisable globally. It may not be very prominent to the naked eye but it is very common nonetheless. The Indian Army symbol is neither prominent nor visible, and only an Indian Army nerd (and thus an Indian) would have been able to pick it up, so ICC needlessly invented a controversy here.

Dhoni deserves no punishment because he is not supporting a religious cause in a different country; he is simply sporting the symbol of his own army on his gloves. Since his debut, he has been carrying around a camouflage backpack. ICC may as well ban that too, because of its connection with the military.

As I have stated previously, the English team wore the poppy against India a few years ago. Should the players have been fined for paying tribute to their army on a cricket field?

 

[Mamoon]

sooo sensibly said ....Armed forces are there to defend your nation .That being the case, can't find any fault with any player who wears such symbols of his respective nation.

I am personally not a fan of showing support for armed forces on a cricket field, but in this particular case, the symbol is barely noticeable and hardly anyone outside India (and even most people in India) knows what it means.

 

[Mamoon]

I think the reason why ICC acted proactively is because in light of the recent tensions between Pakistan and India, they did not want some Pakistani fan to pick up the symbol on his gloves and stir a controversy on social media. As a result, they acted decisively and banned it right away. It is a decision that should be respected by all parties and that is the end of story.

However, ICC didn't realise that when it comes to playing the victim card, Pakistanis are always two steps ahead. Now we are whining that Dhoni must have his head chopped a guillotine because our favourite non-Pakistani cricketer, our English hero, Moeen Ali was banned for showing solidarity for Palestine.

Had ICC ignored the insignia on Dhoni's gloves and some Pakistani fan had noticed, we would be wailing that ICC are cowards and they have no spine to act against BCCI.

We can never be satisfied no matter what and will always find a reason to cry and play the victim card.

 

[Draeoftroy]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Get yourself checked by a shrink dude, spewing nonsense and making pathetic excuses.

How shamelessly you tried to divert from the topic. 2 innocent Muslims were mob lynched by a Pakistani christian mob in the aftermath of the Lahore bombing in 2015, will you go and support "Save Muslims from mob lynching"?

Dhoni needs to be handed over a ban or else it would be tough for ICC to control others who'll use their regulations and means to promote their political causes.

 

[Rana]

"Save Gaza" is recognisable globally. It may not be very prominent to the naked eye but it is very common nonetheless. The Indian Army symbol is neither prominent nor visible, and only an Indian Army nerd (and thus an Indian) would have been able to pick it up, so ICC needlessly invented a controversy here.

Dhoni deserves no punishment because he is not supporting a religious cause in a different country; he is simply sporting the symbol of his own army on his gloves. Since his debut, he has been carrying around a camouflage backpack. ICC may as well ban that too, because of its connection with the military.

As I have stated previously, the English team wore the poppy against India a few years ago. Should the players have been fined for paying tribute to their army on a cricket field?

No but I’m sure the ECB must have run the idea past the ICC before doing so. The BCCI did the same in the case of the infamous caps. A poster pointed it out that the cap idea had Dhoni written all over it. In that case it should be clear the MS is clearly a patriot and wants to pay his respect to the Armed forces, but maybe he should inform the ICC that he is doing so.

 

[Mamoon]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]

Get yourself checked by a shrink dude, spewing nonsense and making pathetic excuses.

How shamelessly you tried to divert from the topic. 2 innocent Muslims were mob lynched by a Pakistani christian mob in the aftermath of the Lahore bombing in 2015, will you go and support "Save Muslims from mob lynching"?

Dhoni needs to be handed over a ban or else it would be tough for ICC to control others who'll use their regulations and means to promote their political causes.

As a public figure, if I show solidarity selectively, people have the right to criticise me. If Moeen is giving preference to the mistreatment of Muslims over the mistreatment of non-Muslims, he is not a humanitarian. a Humanitarian doesn't differentiate and discriminate based on religion, nationality etc.

Secondly, If Dhoni deserves a ban for sporting an Indian army logo on his gloves that hardly anyone in the world would notice or even recognise, then perhaps he should have been banned long ago for using an a camouflage backpack on Indian tours, and perhaps also for making various public appearances wearing the Indian military uniform.

Both are bigger displays of showing support for your military than having a small, unrecognisable logo on his gloves that no one noticed.

Also, if Dhoni deserves a ban, so do the English players who wore poppies against India few years back.

 

[Mamoon]

No but I’m sure the ECB must have run the idea past the ICC before doing so. The BCCI did the same in the case of the infamous caps. A poster pointed it out that the cap idea had Dhoni written all over it. In that case it should be clear the MS is clearly a patriot and wants to pay his respect to the Armed forces, but maybe he should inform the ICC that he is doing so.

The cap was a BCCI stunt which is why all (or at least most) players were wearing it, but this is probably Dhoni's personal choice, just like his camouflage backpack. I do agree that he should have consulted with ICC first, but I don't think he merits a ban or a fine. The ICC did not like it and they have asked him not to wear it, and that should be the end of it.

 

[satheesh]

A Pakistani player wearing a Pakistani army logo should never be a problem for any Indian, Nepali,Srilankan , Bangladeshi , British, Israeli or a person from any other nation. This , because that player is showing only solidarity & respect towards the 'armed forces' that provides basic security to the entire nation which includes him also.If any person from any other nation finds fault with it, then that only shows that this particular person has some grudge or enmity with the other 'nation as a whole', which is 'ok in privacy' but not a 'license for complaining'.

 

[topspin]

The Christian population of Palestine is only about 5% - it is predominantly a Muslim vs Jew issue.

The only reason why the vast majority of Muslims care for what is happening in Palestine is because the oppressed party are Muslims. Unfortunately for most of us, humanity starts and ends with the Muslim ummah. Someone like Moeen would never wear an armband to show solidarity for the minorities who are butchered Pakistan, or show support for the persecution of Christians in various Arab countries.

In Sept 2013, a church in Peshawar was attacked by suicide bombers and over 120 Christians were martyred. It is the deadliest attack on Christians in history of Pakistan. In July 2014, Moeen Ali was seen sport a "Save Gaza" bracelet - if he really cared for humanity, why didn't he also wear a "Save Pakistani Christians" bracelet?

The notion that Palestine is a humanitarian issue rather than a religious one is a disingenuous position. The major reason why most Muslims care about Palestine is because they are Muslims.

One of my closest friends is a Pakistani Christian and guess what I also happen to be a vocal critic of how minorities are treated in Pakistan, not just with him but also with Muslims as well, so please don’t tar everyone with the same brush, as if every Muslim out there only cares about their own. You’ve obviously implied, I’m part of that crowd as well, so no offence you sound like a right-wing Islamaphobe.

I don’t blame Moeen Ali for promoting Gaza over other persecutions because of what the natives in the Palestinians have to had to endure for over 70 years. In the same period, name me a place on Earth where Muslims have invaded, killed and pillaged native non-Muslims and consequently kicked them out of their home land?

I know you’re in awe of Israel because how well it’s advanced in science and technology and they deserve the praise for their accomplishments, but a word of advice, don’t let it cloud your judgements, especially morally.

 

[satheesh]

I am personally not a fan of showing support for armed forces on a cricket field, but in this particular case, the symbol is barely noticeable and hardly anyone outside India (and even most people in India) knows what it means.

can 'agree to disagree' on this.I find no blame in it because the entity 'armed forces' itself is only a 'defensive mechanism' by principle, not an 'offensive mechanism' that can illegally or immorally attack any other nation or any 'group of persons' . For instance, if some Srilankan player was in Dhoni's case, showing solidarity & respect for his 'armed forces', especially because of the thankless services they are performing, especially in the context of the unfortunate incidents that happend in Lanka recently, what business I have got to blame him ??
Whether Dhoni broke the ICC rules or not is a different matter altogether.
You are right, ICC has made a problem out of nothing, for instance , I am coming across this symbol for the first time despite being an Indian.If ICC didn't bring this up, I would not even have cared about it.

 

[Sherlock]

Going to be honest and say I didn't notice the army insignia, just like I didn't know Moeen Ali wore the Palestine coloured wristband until ICC pointed it out.

But I can see where ICC are coming from but they need to be even-handed too.

 

[slipcatch]

If Sarfraz wears an armed forces symbol that is barely visible or recognizable, I won’t have an issue with it.

Supporting the armed forces of your country is different to supporting a religious cause in a different country. Moeen’s stunt was rightly discouraged because an english cricketer has no business with what happens between Palestine and Israel.

I remember the English players wearing the poppy as well. There was no reason for ICC to stop Dhoni from wearing these gloves, and banning him would have been downright ludicrous.

Stop lying.

If Sarfraz or any member of team Pakistan were to wear armed force symbol not visible to naked eyes then you would have wasted words and bandwidth on word salad hoping that typing extensively and forcefully would slit your wrist.

Lol

 

[cricketjoshila]

Pakistanis doing push ups and salutes to show appreciation for their army was fine. Dhoni being an actual Lt.Col and wearing the Insignia is a problem.

 

[slipcatch]

Pakistanis doing push ups and salutes to show appreciation for their army was fine. Dhoni being an actual Lt.Col and wearing the Insignia is a problem.

Indian can do push ups, too.

No one has stopped them from doing it.

When is Gambir and you joint the army?

 

[ekpakistani]

As a public figure, if I show solidarity selectively, people have the right to criticise me. If Moeen is giving preference to the mistreatment of Muslims over the mistreatment of non-Muslims, he is not a humanitarian. a Humanitarian doesn't differentiate and discriminate based on religion, nationality etc.

Secondly, If Dhoni deserves a ban for sporting an Indian army logo on his gloves that hardly anyone in the world would notice or even recognise, then perhaps he should have been banned long ago for using an a camouflage backpack on Indian tours, and perhaps also for making various public appearances wearing the Indian military uniform.

Both are bigger displays of showing support for your military than having a small, unrecognisable logo on his gloves that no one noticed.

Also, if Dhoni deserves a ban, so do the English players who wore poppies against India few years back.

Even ECB justified Moeen wearing wrist bands as according to ECB this was for a humanitarian cause.

 

[Syed1]

Pakistanis doing push ups and salutes to show appreciation for their army was fine. Dhoni being an actual Lt.Col and wearing the Insignia is a problem.

Stop crying its your national trait.

 

[ekpakistani]

Pakistanis doing push ups and salutes to show appreciation for their army was fine. Dhoni being an actual Lt.Col and wearing the Insignia is a problem.

What happened to all powerful BCCI? Will they actually dare to stand against this?

It is now honor of your armed forces at stake

 

[ekpakistani]

Stop crying its your national trait.

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Haha bhai these people will never understand nor accept. They think they own cricket and they think this is bollywood

Let's see what BCCI actually does.. My guess is nothing

 

[slipcatch]

Haha bhai these people will never understand nor accept. They think they own cricket and they think this is bollywood

Let's see what BCCI actually does.. My guess is nothing

BCCI will do nothing.

It is non-issue, only wrist slitting Pakistani and Bhakths would have problem with asking removing the symbol.

 

[Balthazar]

It is a nationalistic view. So ICC need to shut up and focus on other issues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Indian can do push ups, too.

No one has stopped them from doing it.

When is Gambir and you joint the army?

Indians are not going to act according to what pleases pakistanis. They will act according to their own will.

What and when i do something in my country is none of your business.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Stop crying its your national trait.

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NON COMMERCIAL LOGO. Go cry. Just like your minister and pcb did when Indians wore the army caps.

Pretty evident on this threa whose national trait is crying.

 

[ekpakistani]

NON COMMERCIAL LOGO. Go cry. Just like your minister and pcb did when Indians wore the army caps.

Pretty evident on this threa whose national trait is crying.

Pls do continue to wear those caps. I don't think you or other indians realize that ICC is actually helping Indian Cricket Team by asking Dhoni to remove the signia.

We all know what happened when they wore those caps. Now with these gloves... India would probably not qualify for semis. Therefore consider this a favor from ICC

Also, just watch ur media they like bhakhts and chowkidars are going nuts

 

[Captain caveman]

I think the entire indian team should wear the army insignia on their batting gloves, in support of the indian army!
ICC will back down, just like they did with the army caps!
If ICC dont back down, then team india should withdraw from the competition!
This is a matter of respect!

 

[Captain caveman]

Is this not a religious act on the field?

This is why i am saying india should take a stand:
NO REMOVAL OF INSIGNIA OR NO PLAY!