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In terms of statistics, Clarke has scored over 8600 runs at an average of 49 in test cricket and around 8000 odi runs at 44.

In tests, he has led his team to one of greatest Ashes win and a series win in South Africa.

He has also captained his side to the World Cup win in 2015.

Do you consider him an ATG?
 
No.

While he was a great captain, his batting wasn't at ATG level.

He has played some good innings in test but has never dominated any series away from home. He was a good odi batsmen too but still limited.

Among the Australians, I put him behind Ponting, Gilchrist and Hayden among his teammates.

Among his contemporaries, I put him ahead of Cook and behind AB, KP and Amla.
 
Hell no. His entire career was defined by a monstrous year (2012) where he scored 1.5k runs in just 11 matches, with a triple ton and 3 double tons. He hasn't scored a single double ton before 2012, or after. His away stats aren't great either, doesn't have 50+ average in anywhere except Aus.

Without 2012 Clarke wouldn't even be called a great really.
 
No, he is a HTB. I think he averages less than 40 away.

He averages 38 away from home.However, when you look beyond stats, you will find he plays all kinds of bowling equally well.

He has scored 8 hundreds in India, England and South Africa and a lot were quality ones. He should have done more in Asia though.
 
ATG means you are a legit contender for an alltime xi. He is not. Very few are such calibre. An era great, perhaps.
 
ATG means you are a legit contender for an alltime xi. He is not. Very few are such calibre. An era great, perhaps.

Agreed.

Does not have to make the XI but atleast someone you could argue for. Clarke has way too many people higher in the pecking order so I dont think he qualifies as an atg. World class for sure though!
 
Don't know how he manage that much average in ODIs.. Never saw him playing effective ODI inings, never saw him scoring.
 
Don't know how he manage that much average in ODIs.. Never saw him playing effective ODI inings, never saw him scoring.

Two out of his highest three scores came against India.

Also scored a couple of centuries against Pakistan.

He was decent ODI batsmen, not great, not bad either,
 
One of the most courageous players to have played the game. ATG, not an ATG etc. are just words.

He was a champion player who carried Australia on his shoulders when they were at their lowest ebb since the 1980s. Ponting and Hussey were past it, Smith and Warner had not yet developed into world class players, and the trio of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins were not able to play together due to injuries and other reasons.

Someone as mediocre as Siddle was spearheading their attack. What Clarke did for Australia from 2011 to 2014 is more than what a lot of so-called ATGs did for their countries over the course of their careers.
 
One of the most courageous players to have played the game. ATG, not an ATG etc. are just words.

He was a champion player who carried Australia on his shoulders when they were at their lowest ebb since the 1980s. Ponting and Hussey were past it, Smith and Warner had not yet developed into world class players, and the trio of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins were not able to play together due to injuries and other reasons.

Someone as mediocre as Siddle was spearheading their attack. What Clarke did for Australia from 2011 to 2014 is more than what a lot of so-called ATGs did for their countries over the course of their careers.

one of the rare ocassions where i will agree with you 100%. Plus, his debut performance in India was just exceptional
 
One of the most courageous players to have played the game. ATG, not an ATG etc. are just words.

He was a champion player who carried Australia on his shoulders when they were at their lowest ebb since the 1980s. Ponting and Hussey were past it, Smith and Warner had not yet developed into world class players, and the trio of Starc, Hazlewood and Cummins were not able to play together due to injuries and other reasons.

Someone as mediocre as Siddle was spearheading their attack. What Clarke did for Australia from 2011 to 2014 is more than what a lot of so-called ATGs did for their countries over the course of their careers.

I think you are slightly over-hyping him. You didnt mentioned he failed miserably in 2010 England tour to Australia where Hussey was single-handedly battling out, which led to Australia losing Ashes at home.If he would have shown up, Australia might not have lost that series.

Also, during that phase between 2011-2014, he captained his side to a 0-4 whitewash in India.

Great captain, great player but not someone whom you can say as the standout of his era. He also never dominated any series away from home.
 
Which other ATG batsman averages below 40 outside of his home?

He had some good series outside, but due to his back it didn't end so well. He needed more big series away from home.
 
I think you are slightly over-hyping him. You didnt mentioned he failed miserably in 2010 England tour to Australia where Hussey was single-handedly battling out, which led to Australia losing Ashes at home.If he would have shown up, Australia might not have lost that series.

Also, during that phase between 2011-2014, he captained his side to a 0-4 whitewash in India.

Great captain, great player but not someone whom you can say as the standout of his era. He also never dominated any series away from home.

2004 vs India comes close, averaged 57 including a 150 and two half centuries.
 
2004 vs India comes close, averaged 57 including a 150 and two half centuries.

That series is popularly famous for Damien Martyn. He scored 444 runs including 2 hundreds and 2 fifties.

Clarke was a newbie back then. It was his first test series.
 
That series is popularly famous for Damien Martyn. He scored 444 runs including 2 hundreds and 2 fifties.

Clarke was a newbie back then. It was his first test series.

oh i am not denying that Martyn was their best batsman in that series. But more than one batsman can "dominate" a series. Clarke scored 400 runs in a 4 match series, i would say that is domination or at least close to it. Him being a newbie doesn't change it.

If Clarke didn't bat so well, they would have struggled to win. Martyn was def the best bat there but Clarke was a close second. I would say its a pretty dominant series away from home.
 
oh i am not denying that Martyn was their best batsman in that series. But more than one batsman can "dominate" a series. Clarke scored 400 runs in a 4 match series, i would say that is domination or at least close to it. Him being a newbie doesn't change it.

If Clarke didn't bat so well, they would have struggled to win. Martyn was def the best bat there but Clarke was a close second. I would say its a pretty dominant series away from home.

I meant to say a series which you could call it a Clarke series. There isn't that series away from home which you can say that for him.
 
I think you are slightly over-hyping him. You didnt mentioned he failed miserably in 2010 England tour to Australia where Hussey was single-handedly battling out, which led to Australia losing Ashes at home.If he would have shown up, Australia might not have lost that series.

Also, during that phase between 2011-2014, he captained his side to a 0-4 whitewash in India.

Great captain, great player but not someone whom you can say as the standout of his era. He also never dominated any series away from home.

Whitewashed in the UAE as well and was completely clueless.
 
Whitewashed in the UAE as well and was completely clueless.

Posters here talk of his 161 in Cape town 2014 but that inning came after he went missing in first 5 innings of the series and his total runs in that series was even less than JP, let alone Warner, ABD, Smith and Amla. That is 5 names for you.

There is a reason he doesnt get hype in PP as much as someone like Steven Smith get. However, he is still respected by everyone for carrying Australia when they were at weakest.
 
Michael Clarke named the seven best batsmen he played with or against — and only one Aussie made it

Former Australian captain Michael Clarke’s international career spanned 12 years during which time he played with and against some all-time greats of the game.

He began his career as a member of the all-conquering Australian team of the early 2000s alongside Ricky Ponting, Matthew Hayden, Shane Warne and Glenn McGrath before finishing up as a teammate to modern day stars like Steve Smith and David Warner.

He also duelled with giants like Sachin Tendulkar, Brian Lara, Kevin Pietersen, Jacques Kallis and former New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum.

But who were the best of the best?

Speaking on Big Sports Breakfast, Clarke named the seven best batsman he played with or against — and he could only find room for one Australian legend.

BRIAN LARA

“Probably my favourite batsman through my career,” Clarke said.

“You look at statstics and his average is probably not as high as others names on this list but it was the way he played, whether that it was against fast bowlers or spinners. It was the success he had against Australia. That’s the other thing about these batsmen I’ve picked is that they all dominated Australia. You think of an attack with McGrath, Gillespie, Brett Lee, Shane Warne — these guys bowling to these batsmen — and they all found a way to have success.”

SACHIN TENDULKAR

“Probably technically the best batsman I ever saw.”

“The hardest batsman to get out. I think Sachin, technically, didn’t have a weakness. Part of you hoped that he made a mistake.”

VIRAT KOHLI

“I think right now the best batsman across all three formats.”

“His one day and twenty twenty records are phenomenal and he’s also found a way to dominate Test cricket. What Kohli and Tendulkar have in common is they love making big hundreds.”

AB De VILLIERS

“I’m hoping he comes back and plays for South Africa again. Superstar. Can bat anywhere in the order. Dominates T20 cricket. He can score runs anywhere around the ground.”

JACQUES KALLIS

“The greatest all-rounder that I played against.”

“The impact he had against Australia, the way he was able score runs against our attack was extraordinary.”

RICKY PONTING

“He’s probably the best Australian batsman I played with.”

“I was lucky enough to play with some great batsman — Matthew Hayden, Steve Smith, David Warner, Adam Gilchrist, Damien Martyn who was a genius. What separates Ricky is the era that he played. Just about every attack had two or three top-line, world-class bowlers and he was able to dominate them.”

KUMAR SANGAKKARA

“He seems to be forgotten regularly.”

“Phenomenal. Batted at number three which I think is the toughest position. I think he scored three hundred in a row in a world cup. Sangakkara was a force and an absolute gentleman of the game.”

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...t/news-story/ed517dd3c59bc05b7431e1e4445f7ac0
 
Queen’s Birthday 2020 Honours List
Cricket Australia congratulates everyone that has been recognised in the Queen’s Birthday 2020 Honours List, especially those from within the cricketing community.

Michael Clarke was named an Officer in the General Division of the Order of Australia (AO) “for distinguished service to cricket as a player at the national and international level, through leadership roles, and to the community.”

Clarke represented Australia in 115 Tests for Australia and captained Australia in 47 of those tests, making him the sixth most capped skipper in Australian cricketing history. He is Australia’s fourth highest Test run-scorer and at his peak Clarke was ranked the best Test batsman in the world.

Clarke famously led Australia to a 5-0 series whitewash over England in the 2013-14 summer to regain the Ashes and also captained Australia to the 2015 World Cup title. He is part of a very small cricketing club, with Wally Hammond and Don Bradman, as the only men to score a triple-century and a double-hundred in the same series. Clarke also won the Allan Border Medal four times.

Lynette Larsen was named a Member in the General Division of the Order of Australia (AM) “for significant service to cricket as a player, selector, manager and coach at the elite level.”

Larsen played 64 matches for Australia from 1984-1992, averaged 41 in Test Cricket and captained Australia 53 times across Tests and One Day Internationals, which included winning the Women's Cricket World Cup in 1988. She has also made a significant contribution to the game and the community as an administrator at all levels from grass roots to international.

Larsen was instrumental at the international level with the International Women’s Cricket Council, and was a key driver of the integration of the IWCC with the (men’s) International Cricket Council, which has been a catalyst for huge growth in the women’s game, as integration was at State and national level in Australia.

Cricket Australia also congratulates the Hon. Alan Ferguson and Dr Douglass Lording for being named a Member in the General Division of the Order of Australia (AM)) of the Queen's Birthday 2020 Honours List.

In addition to Clarke, Larsen, The Hon. Alan Ferguson, Rosen and Lording, 10 prominent members of the cricket community received the Medal of the Order of Australia in the General Division (OAM).

Mervyn Bailey, Kevan Carroll, Gerard Price, and Gary Somerville received an OAM ‘for service to cricket.”

John Coutis, Colin Anderson, Brian Hassett, Bruce Meyer, Edna Pennicott and Rex Wilson all received OAMs recognising their service to the communities of Ballarat, West Wimmera, Kingborough, Tasmania, across sport, medicine, local government and education which also included their work in the cricket community.

Kevin Roberts, Cricket Australia CEO said:

“On behalf of the Australian Cricket family, I congratulate these outstanding women and men who have served Australian cricket from the highest levels through to dedicating their time to developing the game at the grassroots level.

“This list recognises a group of outstanding Australians who have made a significant contribution to their community in varied roles across playing, coaching, medicine, music, education, local government and volunteering.

“These individuals are the lifeblood of the community they live and work in and we are delighted to see that they are to be recognised for their great service to the game. Cricket is a richer game because of them. I wish to extended my sincere congratulations to everyone honoured in the Queen's Birthday 2020 Honours List."

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Australia’s World Cup-winning former captain Michael Clarke was on Monday appointed an officer in the Order of Australia, joining iconic ex-skippers like Allan Border and Steve Waugh who have received the national recognition.

Clarke, who led Australia to the 2015 World Cup title, has been appointed an officer (AO) in the general division of the Order of Australia, an honour for achievement or meritorious service.

Reacting to the news, Clarke told Channel 9: “To be honest, I thought it was an April fool’s prank in June. Very surprised but in the same breath very honoured.” The other Australian captains who have received an AO include Ricky Ponting, Mark Taylor, Steve Waugh, Allan Border and Bob Simpson.

Clarke has been honoured for “distinguished service to cricket as a player at the national and international level, through leadership roles, and to the community”.


The 39-year-old retired following the World Cup triumph in 2015.

He played 115 Tests, 245 ODIs and 34 T20s, scoring 8643, 7981 and 488 runs respectively.

When asked how cricket will emerge out of the COVID-19 crisis, Clarke sounded upbeat. “I believe cricket is big part of this country’s culture, like all sports but cricket is the most dominant in our country. It is in our blood and even if you don’t sit and watch it, the sound of cricket represents summer,” he said.

“We are in great hands when it comes talent in this country. I love the players coming out and saying that if ‘we have to take a pay cut because of where the games sit, we are happy to do that’. That shows their character.” Clarke said the game in Australia will be back on track irrespective of the fate of T20 World Cup which is in serious doubt due to the pandemic.

“I am really confident no matter what happens with COVID, whether we get this World Cup in October or start the summer in November, sport will find a way to survive and find a way to be successful.”

Cricket Australia, facing losses to the tune of 300 million Australian dollars, is banking heavily on hosting the India Test series later this year to get back on its feet financially.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...rthday-list/story-C1GUwI2Iy1Ngp9Rt8qfxJN.html
 
Definitely not.
Was outrageously good for 12 months though, and just a very good test player apart from that

I was at the test where he kept hitting Morkel over his head for 4, scored a run a ball 230 vs a top attack. That was mental and the most dominant batting I have ever seen

Falls for me in the Amla/Hussey/Laxman tier just below the ATG's
 
No, I don't think he was ATG. His away record wasn't great unfortunately, but I loved watching him bat.
 
Was Bradmanesque for season but apart from it he was bit of a puppy throughout his career. Never the big dog in the yard.

I would claim Mathhew Hayden has left a bigger legacy than Michael Clarke.
 
Still he's good enough to be put in the league of 1st or 2nd choice tier 2 batting greats.
 
Good batsman but not the boss. Ricky Ponting was the Boss. Very hard to emulate Punter, the ultimate Megatron of cricket during 2000-2008
 
Brilliant player.

His peak coincided with the time when Australia were at their weakest.
 
If not for back issues,I think he would have scored 10,000 runs with an average of above 50 with 30 + centuries.
 
One of my all time favourites .

Don't think he is an ATG due to his weakness away from home.


But was a brilliant captain who led a weak team and had a very good peak.
 
Former Australian cricketer Michael Clarke recalls his memorable international debut in Bengaluru

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He's a terrific batter and an underrated gem. I'm glad this popped up, because no one from Australia views him as a global atg even though by all means he's a solid aussie gem and should be.

If he was born in India, they'd do a bharamgra over him but because he's aussie, he's overlooked.

People forget that at peak he was once ranked the no 1 test batter in the world.

You're test specialist is Clarke, not Laxman, Aka an actual test batter who would also do reasonably well in odi and not hide behind the fraud he ain't an odi player mantra.

A proper player and a wc winning captain.
 
Which other ATG batsman averages below 40 outside of his home?

He had some good series outside, but due to his back it didn't end so well. He needed more big series away from home.
Dennis Compton maybe, but he has huge context like Injured tours and final tour being away at play.
 
One of my favorite Australian players. Captaincy got the best out of him. He was averaging less than 40 when he debuted in test cricket and ended his test career averaging almost 50. Captained one of the weakest Australian teams during the Tim Nielsen and Andrew Hilditch era and helped rebuild it and capped it off with a wc win.
 
I wouldn't say Clarke is an ATG. But, he is definitely an Aussie great. He won 2 World Cups (1 as a captain).
 
Michael Clarke AO to be inducted in the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame

The Australian Cricket Hall of Fame Committee, together with Melbourne Cricket Club (MCC), Cricket Australia (CA) and the Australian Cricketers’ Association (ACA), has announced former Australian Captain Michael Clarke AO has been inducted into the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame.

Clarke becomes the 64th inductee into the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame, established by the Melbourne Cricket Club in 1996.

Two further former Australian cricket players will be inducted into the Hall of Fame this season.

Michael Clarke AO

Michael Clarke AO was a precociously talented batter who went on to become a dominant force in Test cricket while rising to the Australian Test, ODI and T20 captaincy.

Clarke played 115 Tests making 8643 runs at 49.1 including 28 centuries and 27 half centuries with a top score of 329*.

In 245 One Day Internationals he made 7981 runs at 44.58 including eight centuries and 58 half centuries with a top score of 130 and was a member of Australia’s 2007 and 2015 ICC World Cup winning teams – as captain in 2015.

Representing Australia, NSW and Hampshire, Clarke played 188 First Class matches making 13,826 runs at 47.02 including 45 centuries and 48 half centuries with a top score of 329*.

From Sydney, Clarke was just 17 when he made his First Class debut for NSW against India at the SCG in December 1999 and his outstanding technique and ability to accumulate big scores would inevitably command the attention of the national selectors.

After making his limited overs debut for Australia against England at Adelaide Oval in January 2003, Clarke was selected for the Australia’s 2004 tour of India. He made a spectacular impact on debut Bengaluru with his first innings score of 151 featuring the sparkling footwork against the Indian spinners that would be a trademark of his career.

Showing unexpected versatility as an occasional off-spinner, Clarke took 6/9 in the fourth Test of the India series in Mumbai which would remain the best figures from a Test bowling career that produced 31 Test wickets at 38.19 with two five wicket hauls.

However, his bowling is best remembered for the spell of 3/5 in 1.5 overs in 2008 against India in the SCG twilight to give Australia a dramatic victory ensuring they retained the Border-Gavaskar Trophy and taking the team’s winning streak to 16 Tests.

Clarke also scored a century on home Test debut with his 141 against New Zealand at the Gabba in 2004. He also starred in the 2007 World Cup in the West Indies as he established himself at the highest levels of the game.

Clarke’s growing seniority was acknowledged when he was appointed Australia’s Test vice-captain upon the retirement of Adam Gilchrist in 2008 and he succeeded Ricky Ponting as captain in 2011. He would captain Australia in 47 Tests (24 wins, 16 losses, 7 draws).

In January 2012 Clarke began an incredibly prolific period when he became just the sixth Australian to score a Test triple century with an unbeaten 329 against India at the SCG in 2011/12. He would then score a double century in the fourth Test of the same series and a two further double centuries against South Africa in the 2012/13 season.

Clarke crowned his successful tenure as captain across three formats by leading Australia to victory in the final of the 2015 ICC World Cup at the MCG, his last one day international.

Peter King, Australian Cricket Hall of Fame Chairman, said:

“On behalf of the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame Committee, it is my great pleasure to announce Michael Clarke AO as the first inductee to the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame for the 2024/25 season.

“In selecting Michael as one of the three Australian Cricket Hall of Fame inductees for this season, the selection committee was met with statistics of a player who defined his generation and at his peak was ranked the best Test batter in the world.

“More than that, Michael was an exceptional leader of our men’s Test and ODI teams who had a sustained period of success under his captaincy.

“Michael’s extraordinary first-class playing career started at just 17 at the SCG – the place where many of his highlights occurred, including a Test triple century against India in 2012.

“While often lauded for his batting prowess, Michael also excelled with ball in hand having helped Australia secure victory in the 2008 Border-Gavaskar Trophy with a spell of 3 for 5 in 1.5 overs with just seven balls remaining in the match.

“Michael’s career will forever be remembered fondly by the Australian public and his standing held alongside those at the upper echelon of our game. On behalf of the selection committee, we congratulate Michael on his very deserved induction into the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame.”

Nick Hockley, Cricket Australia CEO said:

“I’m delighted Michael has taken his place in the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame as one of Australia’s best and most prolific batters and as captain of highly successful Test and limited overs teams.

“Michael’s elegant stroke play was a feature of Australian teams for over a decade. His application, temperament and leadership were exemplified throughout the many significant innings he played for his country, including leading Australia to World Cup victory on home soil in 2015.

“On behalf of everyone in Australian Cricket, I would like to thank Michael for his enormous contribution to Australian Cricket and congratulate him on this latest achievement.”

Greg Dyer, Australian Cricketers’ Association Chair said:

“Michael Clarke’s legacy is not only defined by his extraordinary and consistent achievements on the field, but also by the pivotal role he played during a successful era in Australian cricket history.

“As captain, his leadership steered the team to numerous victories, ensuring Australia remained a dominant force in the sport.

“Michael has always been a passionate supporter of cricket at every level, from the grassroots in local clubs, to Premier cricket and beyond, believing that a strong foundation is essential to the future of the game.

“His commitment to fostering the growth of cricket at every stage speaks to his enduring love for the sport and his belief in its power to unite and inspire future generations.

“I would like to congratulate Michael on this momentous achievement and thank him for the immense impact he has had on Australian cricket."

About the Australian Cricket Hall of Fame

The Australian Cricket Hall of Fame was first proposed by the Melbourne Cricket Club in 1995.

With the support of Cricket Australia and Cricket Victoria, the Hall of Fame was officially opened by the then Prime Minister of Australia, the Honourable John Howard MP in 1996.

The selection philosophy for the hall of fame focuses on the players’ status as sporting legends in addition to their outstanding statistical records.

The selection panel is made up of representatives from all areas of cricket. Chaired by former Victorian cricketer and Melbourne Cricket Club representative Peter King, four Australian Cricket Hall of Fame inducted players are joined by the respective CEOs of Cricket Australia and the Australian Cricketers’ Association, along with two representatives from the media.

All inductees must have been retired from international cricket for a minimum of five years to be eligible for selection.

An inaugural group of ten players were inducted in 1996, and a further 51 players have been welcomed since:

HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES
Inducted 1996 - Fred Spofforth, John Blackham, Victor Trumper, Clarrie Grimmett, Bill Ponsford, Sir Donald Bradman, Bill O’Reilly, Keith Miller, Ray Lindwall and Dennis Lillee
Inducted 2000 - Warwick Armstrong, Neil Harvey and Allan Border
Inducted 2001 - Bill Woodfull and Arthur Morris
Inducted 2002 - Stan McCabe and Greg Chappell
Inducted 2003 - Lindsay Hassett and Ian Chappell
Inducted 2004 - Hugh Trumble and Alan Davidson
Inducted 2005 - Clem Hill and Rod Marsh
Inducted 2006 - Monty Noble and Bob Simpson
Inducted 2007 - Charles Macartney and Richie Benaud
Inducted 2008 - George Giffen and Ian Healy
Inducted 2009 - Steve Waugh
Inducted 2010 - Bill Lawry and Graham McKenzie
Inducted 2011 - Mark Taylor and Doug Walters
Inducted 2012 - Shane Warne
Inducted 2013 - Charlie Turner and Glenn McGrath
Inducted 2014 - Mark Waugh and Belinda Clark
Inducted 2015 - Adam Gilchrist and Jack Ryder
Inducted 2016 - Jeff Thomson and Wally Grout
Inducted 2017 - David Boon, Matthew Hayden and Betty Wilson
Inducted 2018 - Norm O’Neill, Ricky Ponting and Karen Rolton
Inducted 2019 - Cathryn Fitzpatrick, Dean Jones and Billy Murdoch
Inducted 2020 - Sharon Tredrea and Craig McDermott
Inducted 2021 - Johnny Mullagh, Merv Hughes and Lisa Sthalekar
Inducted 2022 – Justin Langer and Raelee Thompson
Inducted 2023 – Marg Jennings and Ian Redpath
Inducted 2024 – Michael Clarke. Two further inductees to be named.
 
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He started his Test career with a famous ton in Bengaluru, and signed off his ODI career by lifting the World Cup trophy 🏆

Happy birthday to one of Australia's finest leaders who scored over 17,000 international runs - Michael Clarke is 44 today 🎂
 
Had great promise, underachieved a bit. A borderline ATG, had great highs in his career a bat but couldn't sustain for longer period. A fantastic player of spin and a great captain too.
 
Not an ATG but a solid middle order batsmen in test and odi for Australia.

The issue was the standards of Australia was way too high back then as compared to now, Clarke was brought in to replace Damien martyn once martyn retired and that was always going to be too tall a task.

Any other country he'd ve a certified ATG as their aren't many batters that are > him. He would walk into the current Indian test and odi team over the likes of sheryas and Rahul as well
 
A very reliable batsman who averaged just a shade below 50 in Test cricket. Was a very valuable player for his team both in Tests and ODI's. Had a chronic back problem that led to his relatively early retirement.

Not an ATG though.​
 
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