[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Babar Azam’s failures against India

[Mamoon]

Series win matter zilch only series that matters are worldcups, and in your logic because Pakistan didn’t win 2021, it matters zilch.

India has 2 T20s and 2 ODI that is 100% more wins than PCT.

If champions trophy matter then might as well include Asian cup where we are ahead in tournament wins.

So what if you have more World Cup wins?

That’s the least you should have after controlling each and every aspect of cricket for 15 years now.

The cricket is world is at India’s mercy and yet India is failing to dominate like it should but the sad reality is that you are not good enough to dominate.

 

[Mamoon]

Do you even understand what Zero Sum game theory means in the context of India/Pakistan WORLD Cup matches ? I suggest you do not look it up because you wont Even have that flimsy straw that you are desperately trying to latching on to.

And we learn new things such as winning in ICC Champions Trophy is a better achievement than crashing out of multiple world cups and having to Cry and curse the evil dushman mulk responsible for that crash out and worse watch the Dushman mulk go on to eventually lift the trophy. The horror ! Let me assure you you have never experienced that. Talk about virgin territory lol

Claiming bragging rights for winning a second-rate tournament while your team has been humiliated ( i.e. Bagled ... see my signature if you dont get what that term means ) every single time on the world stage is like flexing about winning a street race after getting lapped at Formula-1.

Keep celebrating your small-time wins while the real champions are busy making history. You’re basically bragging about winning the kid’s meal prize while everyone else is enjoying a gourmet feast at a 5-star hotel. Try again when you’re relevant in the big leagues but yeah its important to celebrate the chotti-chotti khushiyan from decades ago.

Speaking of big leagues how is the situation in the little league ? Any wins against the mighty USA, BD or Afghans lately ? lol

So now Champions Trophy has become a second grade tournament, but when it comes to peddling the Dhoni captaincy narrative, the Champions Trophy victory in 2013 suddenly became a matter of flex?

Let me repeat myself: winning an ICC tournament by 180 runs (biggest spanking in history) and making the fans leave the stadium 2 hours before the match was over is much more significant than winning World Cup matches where you didn’t even end up winning the World Cup.

Btw, who are the real champions that you were inferring to? Surely it can’t be your lot?

You have fluked 1 trophy in 10 years thanks to SA choking in spite of controlling each and every aspect of cricket and you are calling yourself real champions?

India in this period should have dominated like WI and Australia but you lot are just not good enough. You don’t have the chops.

Indian cricket was exposed in November when you couldn’t even win the most rigged World Cup in history where you controlled each and everything.

You had full control of who you played and when and where. You also had full control of where others played.

The post match arrangements didn’t even consider the possibility of the opposition winning the final.

Shastri, along with 100m people were acting as if their mothers had died.

What happened to Bumrah? The messiah of fast bowling was getting slapped around in the sea of blue.

Well we Pakistani fans love him though. His no ball in 2017 triggered the most humiliating defeat for India in its ODI history.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic. No irrelevant talks and personal remarks here.

 

[Mamoon]

Why? Thread was made in Oct 2022, Since then Babar Test Avg : 36 , same downward trend in ODI and in T20.
If that's not enough, he failed in 4 games against India he played after that. 73 runs in 4 knocks.

Babar can score because XYZ scored logic was present earlier also. When all said and done, Babar needs to perform much better if wants to finish among the top 6-8 batsmen from Pakistan.

Babar Azam is only entering his peak years now and he has done really well considering his age. He still has a very good overall Test record especially for someone who was in his mid 20s when he scored most of those runs.

Apart from perhaps Don, every Test batsman has gone through a similar patch. It isn’t the end of the world.

For example, Kohli has been a clown in Test cricket for 4 years now. Even Joe Root, who is a better Test batsman than Kohli, went through a similar phase in 2018-2020 before hitting his peak.

Most batsmen peak between 30-34 and I expect Babar to have a similar peak.

 

[big_gamer007]

Yes they don’t because apart from three occasions (2007, 2011 and 2024) we both ended in the same space - with no trophy in our hands. In the context of a tournament, finishing in the group stage or losing a final means the same.

It is a zero sum game. You either win or you lose. There are no brownie points for finishing higher than the rest.

Finishing higher than the rest only matters in a league format.

Losing to India in those 3 WCs that India eventually won hurt, but I would not trade all three for the biggest humiliation ever in an ICC torment where you lot got smashed by 180 runs.

Nothing can be more satisfying for a Pakistani fan than to nuke India by 180 runs in an ICC final.

So let me get this straight, heel mamoon will take a Champions trophy over three World Cup wins?

No one including cares for champions trophy but you believe 1 CT is greater than 3 WC trophies.

 

[Mamoon]

So let me get this straight, heel mamoon will take a Champions trophy over three World Cup wins?

No one including cares for champions trophy but you believe 1 CT is greater than 3 WC trophies.

We are talking about significance of Pakistan vs India World Cup matches, not World Cup vs CT.

Of course, the World Cup is more important than the CT. That goes without saying. However, beating India/Pakistan in a World Cup game when you don’t end up winning the World Cup is absolutely not better than demolishing the other team by 180 runs in a CT final.

Of all the World Cup matches that India have won vs Pakistan, only three of them hold any value because India went home empty handed on all other occasions.

And none of those three wins were remotely as epic as the CT final destruction.

They were fairly even affairs unlike the CT final which was the biggest whooping any team has ever suffered in an ICC final. So yes, I wouldn’t trade any of them with that final.

 

[deep82]

Logged in after long time. But what happened to @Mamoon ? What did I miss?

Because what I am seeing today are views which are contrary and bang opposite to his earlier views. I can understand people change views over time but this is a 360 degree turn.

@Mamoon Sorry, but your new views are no longer objectively sound because you are contracting so many of your old topics.

 

[mominsaigol]

So let me get this straight, heel mamoon will take a Champions trophy over three World Cup wins?

No one including cares for champions trophy but you believe 1 CT is greater than 3 WC trophies.

India won 2x, not 3x

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Completely agree.

The subtle rewriting of history to make random World Cup group games the be-all and end-all of cricket has been a complete mischaracterization of the high-intensity cricket played during the peak ODI period.

I agree. High intensity period of peak ODI cricket was when Pakistan was dominating India in bilaterals.

The intensity and importance of bilateral ODIs went to zero around the time that India started beating Pakistan regularly.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

0 centuries outside Asia in any format.
Average of 32 in Test cricket away from home.
Multiple thrashings as a Test team overseas.
Anyone would be able to play the finisher gimmick in ODIs when you have such a stacked top order. Even DK would have done the same. Heck, his finish in the Nidahas trophy in 2018 was better than any finish Dhoni’s pulled off in his entire career.

Most stumpings? Talk about clutching at straws. You’re bound to make a lot stumpings if you’re keeping on Indian wickets.

Dhoni was a bang average cricketer. Pant only took a couple of years to show how much better he is. His innings in Australia alone are bigger than Dhoni’s entire career.

Pant is a better batsman than Dhoni can ever hope to be. Saha is a better keeper than he could ever hope to be.

If that wasn’t enough, his PR team decided to cook up a fake story of him meeting his future girlfriend in a plane before his first century who then died in a car crash. She did not even exist in the first place.

The Dhoni biopic is full of fake characters created to boost his image. His legal team was clever enough to not twist original storylines to prevent legal defamation. Good job on that front though, that was smart.

Where do I even begin with this smorgasbord of misinformation and delusion? Let's dissect this piece by piece, shall we?

Pant's 89 not out at Gabba is more important than his centuries in lost causes. And so is Dhoni's 76 not out at Lord's 2007, which helped India win its first Test series in England since the 80s.

Do you still suffer from amnesia about Dhoni's 148 in 153 balls in Faisalabad? You must have loved watching poor Shoaib Akhtar resorting to bowling beamers at Dhoni, just out of sheer frustration, after being whacked all-round the park.

Or his 224(265 balls) against Australia, which ultimately paved the way for India to win 4-0 against the mighty Aussies. The first clean sweep for India against them.

Under his leadership, India became the number one Test team for the very first time. Yeah, as selective as your memory is, it would be good to remember this fact.

He captained India to their first-ever Test series win in New Zealand as well.

Before Dhoni, India had lost 6 Test series against South Africa. Under his leadership India achieved the first drawn Test series in 2010.

The overseas "Test" losses in England and Australia were the norm much before Dhoni was the captain and it was more to do with how mediocre Indian fast bowling resources were at the time. In England, 2011, Zaheer Khan limped off in the first innings of the first Test and India had to do with bowlers like Pankaj Singh and Stuart Binny! Context matters, as hard as it is for some to understand this simple fact.

Now beyond Test Cricket, let's look at Dhoni's multi-nation series (involving 3 or more teams) wins as captain in white ball cricket:

World T20 2007
CB Series 2008 (Tri-Series with Aus and SL; first captain to win an ODI series final against Australia in Australia)
Compaq Cup 2009 (Tri-Series with SL and NZ)
Asia Cup 2010
World Cup 2011
Champions Trophy 2013
Tri-Nation Series 2013 (Tri-Series with SL and WI)
Asia Cup 2016


And...5 IPL titles, which according to your own words, is the premier T20 league in the world.

People should be outright ashamed to even question his record as a captain. especially in white ball cricket. As Ravi Shastri famously said: "People who criticize Dhoni aren't even worthy of tying his shoelaces!".

This delightful rant is a masterclass in cherry-picking statistics, dismissing context, and ignoring the immense impact that MS Dhoni has had on Indian and world cricket. But hey, who needs facts when you can have opinions, right? Keep living in that alternate reality. The rest of us will stick to the real world, where Dhoni's legacy speaks for itself.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I agree. High intensity period of peak ODI cricket was when Pakistan was dominating India in bilaterals.

The intensity and importance of bilateral ODIs went to zero around the time that India started beating Pakistan regularly.

You are trying to be sarcastic but it isn't nice to engage in debate in this way. Bilateral ODIs went down with the advent of IPL and franchise leagues with countries regularly playing B & C sides.

I am not saying Pakistan defeating India is peak ODI and when India wins the format is weak.

What I am saying is that Bilateral cricket has retrospectively been downgraded by Indians to brush away their record there as if it doesn't matter.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You are trying to be sarcastic but it isn't nice to engage in debate in this way. Bilateral ODIs went down with the advent of IPL and franchise leagues with countries regularly playing B & C sides.

I am not saying Pakistan defeating India is peak ODI and when India wins the format is weak.

What I am saying is that Bilateral cricket has retrospectively been downgraded by Indians to brush away their record there as if it doesn't matter.

India and Pakistan didn't play any ODI series without their full strength at any time after the IPL.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India and Pakistan didn't play any ODI series without their full strength at any time after the IPL.

Well then what the hell is your post all about

 

[big_gamer007]

India won 2x, not 3x

2007
2011
2024

Which one did you forget?

 

[mominsaigol]

2007
2011
2024

Which one did you forget?

I thought you were referring to world cups only.

India have won a world cup 2x
A ct 1x
A t20 world cup 2x

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Well then what the hell is your post all about

You are somehow trying to say that bilateral series were important at that time and should be taken seriously.

But there are plenty of examples of teams not being at full strength prior to the IPL.

In fact , it's after the IPL that India -PAK matches had full strength teams.

Teams usually have identified their best players and and are at full strength mostly only in ICC events.

Besides, if ICC matches didn't matter much , there wouldn't have been the level of celebration we saw when PAK best India in 2021.

You can't simultaneously downplay the ICC record and then celebrate breaking the streak with gusto. It's hypocritical.

 

[big_gamer007]

I thought you were referring to world cups only.

India have won a world cup 2x
A ct 1x
A t20 world cup 2x

I am referring to world cups only.

India has beaten Pakistan 3 times in World Cup when they went on to win the World Cup.

2007 T20 WC India won group stage match and final against Pakistan.

2011 50 over World Cup India won semi final.

2024 T20 Wc India won in group stage.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am referring to world cups only.

India has beaten Pakistan 3 times in World Cup when they went on to win the World Cup.

2007 T20 WC India won group stage match and final against Pakistan.

2011 50 over World Cup India won semi final.

2024 T20 Wc India won in group stage.

CT is an icc event.

World cup is an odi icc event.

The added the word T20 World cup behind the world cup for a reason. They are not the same.

 

[big_gamer007]

CT is an icc event.

World cup is an odi icc event.

The added the word T20 World cup behind the world cup for a reason. They are not the same.

You are not making any sense. What are you blabbering about?

The discussion with Mamoon was about trading CT win with 3 WC wins.

You butted in without reading the posts and posted random statement and when corrected instead of just giving up you are continuing to argue just for the sake of arguing.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, just wasting my time quoting me.

 

[mominsaigol]

You are not making any sense. What are you blabbering about?

The discussion with Mamoon was about trading CT win with 3 WC wins.

You butted in without reading the posts and posted random statement and when corrected instead of just giving up you are continuing to argue just for the sake of arguing.

Not sure what you are trying to achieve here, just wasting my time quoting me.

Am trying to state t20 wc and wc are separate

 

[big_gamer007]

Am trying to state t20 wc and wc are separate

Of course they are separate, but they are still considered as world cups.

In your opinion maybe the ODI CT holds more value than T20 WC.

In Mamoons opinion maybe winning ODI CT is a far greater achievement than winning 1 ODI WC and 2 T20 WC’s.

But for most fans and players winning a World Cup whether 50 over or 20 over is greater than winning a CT.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You are somehow trying to say that bilateral series were important at that time and should be taken seriously.

But there are plenty of examples of teams not being at full strength prior to the IPL.

In fact , it's after the IPL that India -PAK matches had full strength teams.

Teams usually have identified their best players and and are at full strength mostly only in ICC events.

Besides, if ICC matches didn't matter much , there wouldn't have been the level of celebration we saw when PAK best India in 2021.

You can't simultaneously downplay the ICC record and then celebrate breaking the streak with gusto. It's hypocritical.

I'm not downplaying the ICC record at all. My point is that the historical bilateral record shouldn't be downgraded.

Pre dilution of ODI cricket

I'd rate it
1. ICC knockout
1. ICC group = Asia cup = Bilaterals

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I'm not downplaying the ICC record at all. My point is that the historical bilateral record shouldn't be downgraded.

Pre dilution of ODI cricket

I'd rate it
1. ICC knockout
1. ICC group = Asia cup = Bilaterals

Pre dilution of ODI cricket And this predilution conveniently happened around 2007 when the IPL happened and India started pulling ahead in bilaterals.

 

[mominsaigol]

Of course they are separate, but they are still considered as world cups.

In your opinion maybe the ODI CT holds more value than T20 WC.

In Mamoons opinion maybe winning ODI CT is a far greater achievement than winning 1 ODI WC and 2 T20 WC’s.

But for most fans and players winning a World Cup whether 50 over or 20 over is greater than winning a CT.

For me Odi > CT > t20 wc.

But my reasoning is not the same as others so please try to listen before assuming.

For me CT > T20 because

A) T20 World cups happen every 2 years so a top nation is bound to win it eventually whereas CT rarely happens, Current ct is happening after a gap of 8 years.

B) It's t20 and I personally don't take the t20 format too seriously, in odi it's about skill and a weaker team is unlikely to beat a stronger team beyond one offs. T20 is a format where things become balanced. India crushed pakistan black and blue in odi last year but in t20 they were close encounters this time around with pakistan choking if anything. Similarly none of their wins were convincing nor any other teams cause t20 is just that format on most occasions.

C) Ct is also older then t20 wc and more historic due to it being an odi format, + 8 teams make it interesting

 

[uppercut]

So now Champions Trophy has become a second grade tournament, but when it comes to peddling the Dhoni captaincy narrative, the Champions Trophy victory in 2013 suddenly became a matter of flex?

Let me repeat myself: winning an ICC tournament by 180 runs (biggest spanking in history) and making the fans leave the stadium 2 hours before the match was over is much more significant than winning World Cup matches where you didn’t even end up winning the world cup

Except thats not how Zero Sum game theory works. I see that you have dutifully obeyed my instructions to not lookup the definition of Zero sum game theory and how its calculated in the context of WorldCup matches between India and Pakistan. Well done you are on the right track. So the next instruction is to not lookup the pitiable treatment that CT has received by ICC and past winners ( not fluke ). Once you do that you will automatically evacuate this thread.

And I did say that the Hajmola Cup would have been a better achievement for MSD than the CT.

 

[big_gamer007]

For me Odi > CT > t20 wc.

But my reasoning is not the same as others so please try to listen before assuming.

For me CT > T20 because

A) T20 World cups happen every 2 years so a top nation is bound to win it eventually whereas CT rarely happens, Current ct is happening after a gap of 8 years.

B) It's t20 and I personally don't take the t20 format too seriously, in odi it's about skill and a weaker team is unlikely to beat a stronger team beyond one offs. T20 is a format where things become balanced. India crushed pakistan black and blue in odi last year but in t20 they were close encounters this time around with pakistan choking if anything. Similarly none of their wins were convincing nor any other teams cause t20 is just that format on most occasions.

C) Ct is also older then t20 wc and more historic due to it being an odi format, + 8 teams make it interesting

I have nothing against your opinion, you are free to have your opinion, whatever the reasoning for it may be.

Similarly, Heel Mamoon is free to have his opinion about CT being greater than ODI + T20 WCs, whatever his reasoning may be (heel character for more footage).

What I am pointing out is that for most fans, players World cups matter in limited over nothing comes near it.

Now by most fans, I am talking about sub continent fans.
In SENA no one really cares about cricket much anyways, when Australia won 2023 ODI WC, half the people I talked to the next day didn’t even know there was a cricket World Cup going on and the other half didn’t care about Australia winning.

So for most people in Australia/England it’s mostly about Ashes.
Players and cricket nerds from those country may care about limited overs but that’s limited to world cups.

New Zealand no one really cares about cricket let alone World Cup.

South Africa also cricket isn’t as popular as it once was but if they ever win the World Cup we will find out how much the public jubilations are.

 

[mominsaigol]

I have nothing against your opinion, you are free to have your opinion, whatever the reasoning for it may be.

Similarly, Heel Mamoon is free to have his opinion about CT being greater than ODI + T20 WCs, whatever his reasoning may be (heel character for more footage).

What I am pointing out is that for most fans, players World cups matter in limited over nothing comes near it.

Now by most fans, I am talking about sub continent fans.
In SENA no one really cares about cricket much anyways, when Australia won 2023 ODI WC, half the people I talked to the next day didn’t even know there was a cricket World Cup going on and the other half didn’t care about Australia winning.

So for most people in Australia/England it’s mostly about Ashes.
Players and cricket nerds from those country may care about limited overs but that’s limited to world cups.

New Zealand no one really cares about cricket let alone World Cup.

South Africa also cricket isn’t as popular as it once was but if they ever win the World Cup we will find out how much the public jubilations are.

I have no clue what you're talking about since I live in Australia and have studied 3 years in UK for my bachelors and was their for both England winning 2019 and Australia winning 2023.

Theirs a huge uproar. For odi cups their. Infact Australia and England fans don't care about t20 as a format as a whole and ct as a cup.

For them test especially vs India or ashes matter or World cups only.

Idk which half of thr people you talked to the next day but unless you lived in Australia or England dueing the time periods I lived in, then I don't think you're in a position to make that call.

As for NZ and SA I won't comment as I have no clue about the culture and people of SA as I've never been their and I've only been to NZ a few times but never full time and not long enough to know the cricketing culture.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

@Mamoon Regarding the finisher gimmick, here are some samples:

1) 2009, West Indies: Dhoni promoted himself to No.3, needed to score 11 off the last over. Yusuf Pathan took a single off the first ball of the over, Dhoni smashed a SIX and finished the game, scoring 46* off 34 balls.

2) Adelaide, 2012 vs Australia -- 13 runs required off the last over. Dhoni smashed a 112-metre six and the rest was history.

3) ICC World Cup 2015, Zimbabwe scored 288 and India were 92/4 when Dhoni came to the crease. Dhoni scored 85* off a mere 76 deliveries, with 8 fours and 2 sixes.

4) Dhaka, 2007 -- Dhoni, elevated himself to the No.3 position again, ended up with 91* from 106 balls, after India were 144/5 at one stage chasing 251.

5) Tri-nation Series Finale, 2013 -- Dhoni finished off the match when India needed 15 runs of the last over with one wicket remaining, hitting a six and a four.

6) Lahore, 2006 -- Chasing 289, India were 12/2 at one stage and 190/5. Dhoni smashed 72* off 46 balls to win the match in the 48th over.

7) Karachi, 2006 -- Chasing 287, Dhoni scored 77* of 55 balls with 6 fours and 4 sixes, helping India win 4-1 in Pakistan

8) Vizag, 2005, Sri Lanka -- Chasing 298, Dhoni came in at 3 and hit 183*, the highest score by a wicketkeeper-batsman in ODI cricket to date, hitting 10 sixes.

9) Mumbai, 2011, World Cup Final -- Chasing 275, India were 114/3 when Dhoni promoted himself above Yuvraj Singh and you don't need me to tell you how that went. 91* off 79 balls in the World Cup final, taking on Murali and effectively negating his threat.

But sure, let's dismiss all of that because DK had one good finish. It's like saying a single sparkler is more impressive than a full-blown fireworks display. Clearly, the OP has a lot more to learn about cricket than they're letting on.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pre dilution of ODI cricket And this predilution conveniently happened around 2007 when the IPL happened and India started pulling ahead in bilaterals.

Pulled ahead of who?

There have only been two series since 07 Pak have won 1 and India 1.

In tournaments India have been much more dominant.

What I have said actually gives India more credit for their current achievements v Pakistan....

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon Regarding the finisher gimmick, here are some samples:

1) 2009, West Indies: Dhoni promoted himself to No.3, needed to score 11 off the last over. Yusuf Pathan took a single off the first ball of the over, Dhoni smashed a SIX and finished the game, scoring 46* off 34 balls.

2) Adelaide, 2012 vs Australia -- 13 runs required off the last over. Dhoni smashed a 112-metre six and the rest was history.

3) ICC World Cup 2015, Zimbabwe scored 288 and India were 92/4 when Dhoni came to the crease. Dhoni scored 85* off a mere 76 deliveries, with 8 fours and 2 sixes.

4) Dhaka, 2007 -- Dhoni, elevated himself to the No.3 position again, ended up with 91* from 106 balls, after India were 144/5 at one stage chasing 251.

5) Tri-nation Series Finale, 2013 -- Dhoni finished off the match when India needed 15 runs of the last over with one wicket remaining, hitting a six and a four.

6) Lahore, 2006 -- Chasing 289, India were 12/2 at one stage and 190/5. Dhoni smashed 72* off 46 balls to win the match in the 48th over.

7) Karachi, 2006 -- Chasing 287, Dhoni scored 77* of 55 balls with 6 fours and 4 sixes, helping India win 4-1 in Pakistan

8) Vizag, 2005, Sri Lanka -- Chasing 298, Dhoni came in at 3 and hit 183*, the highest score by a wicketkeeper-batsman in ODI cricket to date, hitting 10 sixes.

9) Mumbai, 2011, World Cup Final -- Chasing 275, India were 114/3 when Dhoni promoted himself above Yuvraj Singh and you don't need me to tell you how that went. 91* off 79 balls in the World Cup final, taking on Murali and effectively negating his threat.

But sure, let's dismiss all of that because DK had one good finish. It's like saying a single sparkler is more impressive than a full-blown fireworks display. Clearly, the OP has a lot more to learn about cricket than they're letting on.

Thank you for proving my point that Dhoni the finisher gimmick is one of the biggest con acts in history.

He has played 350 ODIs and all you could huff and puff is a list 9 of matches. The funny thing is that you can probably come up with an equally bigger - if not bigger - list of Dhoni botching it for India and losing them the match.

We would have seen how great a finisher Dhoni was if he was playing for a weaker team like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

 

[Mamoon]

“Similarly, Heel Mamoon is free to have his opinion about CT being greater than ODI + T20 WCs, whatever his reasoning may be (heel character for more footage).”

Not sure why Indians are so slow. Maybe their computers are fast but their brains are not.

I can’t make it any easier but let me retry.

Absolutely hammering a team in a CT Final is way more significant than beating them in a World Cup that you don’t end up winning yourself.

Indians flaunt their X number of World Cup wins over Pakistan but what is the use of this X number of wins when the ended up empty handed except for 3 World Cups?

And those wins in those three World Cup wins simply don’t compare to the record breaking thrashing that they suffered in 2017. As simple as that.

 

[big_gamer007]

I have no clue what you're talking about since I live in Australia and have studied 3 years in UK for my bachelors and was their for both England winning 2019 and Australia winning 2023.

Theirs a huge uproar. For odi cups their. Infact Australia and England fans don't care about t20 as a format as a whole and ct as a cup.

For them test especially vs India or ashes matter or World cups only.

Idk which half of thr people you talked to the next day but unless you lived in Australia or England dueing the time periods I lived in, then I don't think you're in a position to make that call.

As for NZ and SA I won't comment as I have no clue about the culture and people of SA as I've never been their and I've only been to NZ a few times but never full time and not long enough to know the cricketing culture.

I think you have comprehension issues or I am not making my point clear.

I already said no one cares about limited overs in those countries, that includes no one caring about CT, T20. Why are you stating the obvious?

I live in Melbourne and no one here gives two hoots about cricket in general apart from interest in ashes and test matches. Even that interest is dying slowly and is nothing compared to footie/F1/AO.
Like I said no one cared when they won the 2023 ODI World Cup and most weren’t even aware of them winning and some didn’t even knew World Cup was going on.

It’s just the desi diaspora who cares about limited overs here.

Regarding England, you can check 2005 ashes celebrations on open bus and see amount of fans gathering, compare it with 2019 World Cup and you will realise what matters to them.

Cricket popularity in England is also on a decline and that has been the case for many years, hence the need for them to bring out T20,T10,100s and what not to get some interest amongst young kids.

However, with desi migration on rise to SENA countries, cricket will be alright in those countries.

The day India qualifies for fifa World Cup and actually does well, will be the day when Demise of cricket will begin.

 

[mominsaigol]

I think you have comprehension issues or I am not making my point clear.

I already said no one cares about limited overs in those countries, that includes no one caring about CT, T20. Why are you stating the obvious?

I live in Melbourne and no one here gives two hoots about cricket in general apart from interest in ashes and test matches. Even that interest is dying slowly and is nothing compared to footie/F1/AO.
Like I said no one cared when they won the 2023 ODI World Cup and most weren’t even aware of them winning and some didn’t even knew World Cup was going on.

It’s just the desi diaspora who cares about limited overs here.

Regarding England, you can check 2005 ashes celebrations on open bus and see amount of fans gathering, compare it with 2019 World Cup and you will realise what matters to them.

Cricket popularity in England is also on a decline and that has been the case for many years, hence the need for them to bring out T20,T10,100s and what not to get some interest amongst young kids.

However, with desi migration on rise to SENA countries, cricket will be alright in those countries.

The day India qualifies for fifa World Cup and actually does well, will be the day when Demise of cricket will begin.

Since you live in Melbourne I'll take your word for it, as maybe the culture in Sydney is different. I've only been to Melbourne a few times so idk.

 

[Mamoon]

So the next instruction is to not lookup the pitiable treatment that CT has received by ICC and past winners ( not fluke ). Once you do that you will automatically evacuate this thread.

But the pitiable treatment of the CT will not change the fact that India suffered the most humiliating defeat ever in an ICC final.

The 180 run margin is the biggest margin of victory ever in a final and it is one of those records that might remain timeless because it is extremely unlikely for a team to be outclassed so badly in a final.

Indians were thumping their chests before the final but it suddenly became a pointless tournament after the final. Talk about being a sore loser.

India has not returned favor of the CT final and is highly unlikely to return it in the future because the chances of the two sides meeting in a knockout are low anyway and the chances of one team getting nuked in this manner is even lower.

Speaking of evacuation, that happened in London in 2017 as thousands of Indians evacuated the Oval to head straight to the London Underground two hours before the match ended.

But but but sir please host the WTC Final in Chennai or Jaipur because we are tired of being violated at Lord’s and want to win too.

 

[big_gamer007]

“Similarly, Heel Mamoon is free to have his opinion about CT being greater than ODI + T20 WCs, whatever his reasoning may be (heel character for more footage).”

Not sure why Indians are so slow. Maybe their computers are fast but their brains are not.

I can’t make it any easier but let me retry.

Absolutely hammering a team in a CT Final is way more significant than beating them in a World Cup that you don’t end up winning yourself.

Indians flaunt their X number of World Cup wins over Pakistan but what is the use of this X number of wins when the ended up empty handed except for 3 World Cups?

And those wins in those three World Cup wins simply don’t compare to the record breaking thrashing that they suffered in 2017. As simple as that.

If you were making a point which made any sense people would understand.

Indians beat Pakistan 3 times in World Cups, once in a final of a World Cup and once in semi final of an ODI World Cup to win the trophy.

You are saying just because Pakistan beat India by a bigger margin in a CT final (which is a rubbish tournament which even ICC don’t care about enough to host every 2 years), than the margin India beat Pakistan in 3 world cups (1 final and 1 semi final), it’s a more significant achievement.

I mean if that’s the logic heel mamoon has to grasp on to in order to troll, then I would say you are better of being face and trolling PCT. Atleast then you would have logical arguments

 

[Mamoon]

If you were making a point which made any sense people would understand.

Indians beat Pakistan 3 times in World Cups, once in a final of a World Cup and once in semi final of an ODI World Cup to win the trophy.

You are saying just because Pakistan beat India by a bigger margin in a CT final (which is a rubbish tournament which even ICC don’t care about enough to host every 2 years), than the margin India beat Pakistan in 3 world cups (1 final and 1 semi final), it’s a more significant achievement.

I mean if that’s the logic heel mamoon has to grasp on to in order to troll, then I would say you are better of being face and trolling PCT. Atleast then you would have logical arguments

It is not just about a bigger margin. It is about the biggest margin in history. Pakistan nuked India like no team has ever nuked a team in an ICC final.

So yes, I won’t trade that for any of your three fairly closely contested wins. If it was a fairly contested win rather than the biggest whacking in history, I would agree with you.

I don’t understand this heel and face analogies. I stopped watching wrestling ages ago, I’m not a man child. Please use adult reference so that I can understand.

 

[big_gamer007]

Since you live in Melbourne I'll take your word for it, as maybe the culture in Sydney is different. I've only been to Melbourne a few times so idk.

Well we get public holiday for AFL finals weekend and even for the horse racing cup.
When Matilda’s reached semis it was declared that if they reach finals it would be a public holiday, unfortunately they lost to England.

I don’t think there’s any tangible or factual data to correlate popularity of cricket today compared to a decade or two ago.
It feels it’s on a decline, however, there is probably no evidence/research to support that argument.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Thank you for proving my point that Dhoni the finisher gimmick is one of the biggest con acts in history.

He has played 350 ODIs and all you could huff and puff is a list 9 of matches. The funny thing is that you can probably come up with an equally bigger - if not bigger - list of Dhoni botching it for India and losing them the match.

We would have seen how great a finisher Dhoni was if he was playing for a weaker team like Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh.

@Mamoon Wrong again, as usual.

Dhoni has been not out 47 times in successful chases (ODIs). FORTY SEVEN, yes. No other batsman in the history of ODIs comes close. And India has lost only 2 times when he was still at the crease, during a chase. I listed 9 of the best that I could remember off the top of my head, otherwise I'd be typing till the cows come home.

More stuff for you to ponder:

Dhoni's average of 50.57 in ODIs is not just a number, it's a testament to his consistency. Only Virat Kohli has a better average among those who have scored 10,000 runs or more.

Dhoni has scored 7 centuries at No. 5 or lower, joint-highest for any team. 2 centuries from No.7, which is the most by far in the history of ODIs. But hey, who's counting?

And his average of 53.55 as a batsman while captaining in ODIs? Only Kohli has a higher average among batsmen to score more than 5,000 ODI runs. But no, let's call it a "con act" because clearly, that's what it is.

And those 6,641 runs scored as captain-wicketkeeper in ODIs? No other batsman has scored as many runs while leading their team and donning the gloves. But sure, let's dismiss that as a minor achievement.

He reached the #1 spot in ODIs in just 38 ODI innings, displacing Ponting. This is still a world record. From 2008 to 2015, Dhoni remained in the top 10 list and was the number 1 ODI player in 2008 and 2009.

About your hilarious claim that Dhoni would have been exposed if he played for a weaker team, well, if my uncle had been a woman, she'd be my aunt!

Maybe in your alternate universe, Dhoni is struggling against Pakistan or the ROW, while in this one, he's a legend who's made a career out of shattering records and winning trophies.

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon Wrong again, as usual.

Dhoni has been not out 47 times in successful chases (ODIs). FORTY SEVEN, yes. No other batsman in the history of ODIs comes close. And India has lost only 2 times when he was still at the crease, during a chase. I listed 9 of the best that I could remember off the top of my head, otherwise I'd be typing till the cows come home.

More stuff for you to ponder:

Dhoni's average of 50.57 in ODIs is not just a number, it's a testament to his consistency. Only Virat Kohli has a better average among those who have scored 10,000 runs or more.

Dhoni has scored 7 centuries at No. 5 or lower, joint-highest for any team. 2 centuries from No.7, which is the most by far in the history of ODIs. But hey, who's counting?

And his average of 53.55 as a batsman while captaining in ODIs? Only Kohli has a higher average among batsmen to score more than 5,000 ODI runs. But no, let's call it a "con act" because clearly, that's what it is.

And those 6,641 runs scored as captain-wicketkeeper in ODIs? No other batsman has scored as many runs while leading their team and donning the gloves. But sure, let's dismiss that as a minor achievement.

He reached the #1 spot in ODIs in just 38 ODI innings, displacing Ponting. This is still a world record. From 2008 to 2015, Dhoni remained in the top 10 list and was the number 1 ODI player in 2008 and 2009.

About your hilarious claim that Dhoni would have been exposed if he played for a weaker team, well, if my uncle had been a woman, she'd be my aunt!

Maybe in your alternate universe, Dhoni is struggling against Pakistan or the ROW, while in this one, he's a legend who's made a career out of shattering records and winning trophies.

Being not out has little to do with your ability to finish matches or not. You can be not out and not help your team win.

I repeat what I said: Out of 350 ODIs, you could only list a handful matches. That’s it.

Oh, so now rankings are important? But apparently they don’t mean anything when it comes to Babar Azam.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

For people talking about India defeating Pakistan en route to winning the trophy, they seem to forget the 1985 Benson and Hedges World Series where India defeated Pakistan twice, once in the initial stages and then in the final.

Gavaskar was India's captain and Imran captained Pakistan, which also had a very young Wasim Akram in the side.

India remained undefeated throughout the tournament and it was a great double after the 1983 World Cup triumph.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

In fact, India was so dominant that they bowled out all the sides except for Pakistan in the finals, who ended up making 176/9. India won the match by 8 wickets.

That's the most dominant Indian side I've ever seen apart from the recent ones in 2023 and 2024.

All Indian all-rounders ran riot against each of their opposition teams, Sivaramakrishnan spun a web on Australian pitches and Shrikant had a blast demolishing bowler's reputations.

Fun times, those.

 

[NishanKonar]

India winning the T20 QC & Pakistan getting humiliated by USA & then Bangladesh has resulted in extreme mental trauma for some Pakistani fans

Impossible for any sane person to write some of the posts in this thread.

 

[uppercut]

Indians flaunt their X number of World Cup wins over Pakistan but what is the use of this X number of wins when the ended up empty handed except for 3 World Cups?

Let me repeat this again in very simple terms

1. Zero-Sum game theory.
2. Multiple Evictions from the WorldCup by the Dushman mulk - here is something you should NOT Lookup -Virgin territory lol
3. Two more WC wins ( at your expense lol ) now go ahead and tell me How the Kitply cup was a better achievement

And those wins in those three World Cup wins simply don’t compare to the record breaking thrashing that they suffered in 2017. As simple as that.

So per your astounding logic of the lahori variety .. margin of victory in Non World cup matches is a better yardstick to go by? lol

 

[bunda_bindaas]

Being not out has little to do with your ability to finish matches or not. You can be not out and not help your team win.

I repeat what I said: Out of 350 ODIs, you could only list a handful matches. That’s it.

Oh, so now rankings are important? But apparently they don’t mean anything when it comes to Babar Azam.

@Mamoon Firstly, being not out has everything to do with finishing matches. It means Dhoni was there till the end, guiding his team to victory.

Now, let's address your claim that only a handful of matches were listed. Here's a little trip down memory lane for you:

• Against Australia: 6 scores of 25* and above, including a 44* and four 50+ scores, with 87* being the highest.
• Against Bangladesh: 3 winning scores, with 101* being the highest and 38* being the lowest. The 2nd being 91*
• Against England: 2 scores of 25+, with 35* being the highest.
• Against Pakistan: 4 scores of 25+, with two 70+ scores, in Pakistan, and another 45*.
• Against Sri Lanka: 9 scores of 45+, with 183* being the highest.
• Against Zimbabwe: 2 50+ scores with 85* in the world cup and another 67*

But sure, let's call that a "handful" because ignorance is bliss.

 

[Ab Fan]

Post Pakistan's home test series whitewash to Bangladesh, Mamoon has installed a software virus in his head and lost his brain cells.

He feels the CT 2017 Final is now all of a sudden the most important game that was played between two teams but in reality it is a game forgotten long back just like their captain, Sarfaraz Ahmed, who made a mockery of himself before even the start of that tournament by responding to one of the questions put by host on India-Pakistan game, "My answer same same" lol.

Hopefully, the current Pakistan captain comes up well prepared this time for the CT going to held early next year so that he can give a rather sensible answer than making a mockery of himself.

 

[bunda_bindaas]

@Mamoon Firstly, being not out has everything to do with finishing matches. It means Dhoni was there till the end, guiding his team to victory.

Now, let's address your claim that only a handful of matches were listed. Here's a little trip down memory lane for you:

• Against Australia: 6 scores of 25* and above, including a 44* and four 50+ scores, with 87* being the highest.
• Against Bangladesh: 3 winning scores, with 101* being the highest and 38* being the lowest. The 2nd being 91*
• Against England: 2 scores of 25+, with 35* being the highest.
• Against Pakistan: 4 scores of 25+, with two 70+ scores, in Pakistan, and another 45*.
• Against Sri Lanka: 9 scores of 45+, with 183* being the highest.
• Against Zimbabwe: 2 50+ scores with 85* in the world cup and another 67*

But sure, let's call that a "handful" because ignorance is bliss.

• Against New Zealand: 2 scores of 35+
• Against West Indies: 2 scores of 45+

 

[RyanRyan10]

If you were making a point which made any sense people would understand.

Indians beat Pakistan 3 times in World Cups, once in a final of a World Cup and once in semi final of an ODI World Cup to win the trophy.

You are saying just because Pakistan beat India by a bigger margin in a CT final (which is a rubbish tournament which even ICC don’t care about enough to host every 2 years), than the margin India beat Pakistan in 3 world cups (1 final and 1 semi final), it’s a more significant achievement.

I mean if that’s the logic heel mamoon has to grasp on to in order to troll, then I would say you are better of being face and trolling PCT. Atleast then you would have logical arguments

you committed the same mistake about which you had warned others on some other post over a week ago. Heels don't need to be logical. Let chomus take the bait.

Mamoon relishes chaos. He expresses opinions that are contrary to the majority. He supports Imam against whom most Pakistani fans are critical. He was pro Imad, with an aim to undermine Shadab who was the darling of Pak fans but has now turned against Imad as some posters saw him as a potential saviour and were harshly criticizing Nawaz, who had replaced him.

 

[Rana]

Logged in after long time. But what happened to @Mamoon ? What did I miss?

Because what I am seeing today are views which are contrary and bang opposite to his earlier views. I can understand people change views over time but this is a 360 degree turn.

@Mamoon Sorry, but your new views are no longer objectively sound because you are contracting so many of your old topics.

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim

These guys have no clue

 

[mominsaigol]

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim

These guys have no clue

@deep82 heel turn, Wwe style, but unlike roman who went from hated hero to beloved villian, he's a beloved hero and a hated villian

 

[NishanKonar]

you committed the same mistake about which you had warned others on some other post over a week ago. Heels don't need to be logical. Let chomus take the bait.

Mamoon relishes chaos. He expresses opinions that are contrary to the majority. He supports Imam against whom most Pakistani fans are critical. He was pro Imad, with an aim to undermine Shadab who was the darling of Pak fans but has now turned against Imad as some posters saw him as a potential saviour and were harshly criticizing Nawaz, who had replaced him.

When Pakistani fans went ga ga over Babar Azam he tried to prove Babar is useless. Now when Babar is getting thrashed by everyone - he is trying to prove he is a GOAT

Anyways as long as Mamoon is doing it for fun & trolling then its fine.

 

[rpant_gabba]

Logged in after long time. But what happened to @Mamoon ? What did I miss?

Because what I am seeing today are views which are contrary and bang opposite to his earlier views. I can understand people change views over time but this is a 360 degree turn.

@Mamoon Sorry, but your new views are no longer objectively sound because you are contracting so many of your old topics.

you mean a 180?

 

[topspin]

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim

These guys have no clue

Deaf, dumb and blind

 

[nish_mate]

When Pakistani fans went ga ga over Babar Azam he tried to prove Babar is useless. Now when Babar is getting thrashed by everyone - he is trying to prove he is a GOAT

Anyways as long as Mamoon is doing it for fun & trolling then its fine.

A case of exploding Mangoes?

 

[bunda_bindaas]

I think Mamoon is an extreme contrarian. He just loves to go against the prevailing sentiment & gets a kick out of it. This is actually what u call non conformist in behavioral science. Except Mamoon takes it to extreme lengths

When Pakistani fans went ga ga over Babar Azam he tried to prove Babar is useless. Now when Babar is getting thrashed by everyone - he is trying to prove he is a GOAT

Anyways as long as Mamoon is doing it for fun & trolling then its fine.

But he's definitely not having fun or trolling -- he is dead serious.

OP's problem is that once he takes a stance, which might be a complete 180-degree flip from his original position, he sticks to it like a fastidious zealot.

Even at the cost of logical coherence, retconning his own prior views, and making absurd claims that are totally out there.

He would then try to defend the indefensible by all means. It's like a red mist has descended upon him.

And I say this as someone who sympathizes with his viewpoint that overzealous fans are a big nuisance, on either side of the border.

 

[big_gamer007]

It is not just about a bigger margin. It is about the biggest margin in history. Pakistan nuked India like no team has ever nuked a team in an ICC final.

So yes, I won’t trade that for any of your three fairly closely contested wins. If it was a fairly contested win rather than the biggest whacking in history, I would agree with you.

I don’t understand this heel and face analogies. I stopped watching wrestling ages ago, I’m not a man child. Please use adult reference so that I can understand.

you committed the same mistake about which you had warned others on some other post over a week ago. Heels don't need to be logical. Let chomus take the bait.

Mamoon relishes chaos. He expresses opinions that are contrary to the majority. He supports Imam against whom most Pakistani fans are critical. He was pro Imad, with an aim to undermine Shadab who was the darling of Pak fans but has now turned against Imad as some posters saw him as a potential saviour and were harshly criticizing Nawaz, who had replaced him.

I know, just couldn’t help but take the bait.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

@topspin @mominsaigol @Dr_Bassim

These guys have no clue

He played the "broken record" statement "Pakistan cricket is finished" for half a decade because it irked the fans.

Since the Pakistani fans dont take bait anymore, its pointless.

Now he is triggering Indian fans by 180 degree turn as that makes him stay conspicuous.

There may be a political element as well (Babar Azam), but I am kind enough to ignore it.

 

[uppercut]

But the pitiable treatment of the CT will not change the fact that India suffered the most humiliating defeat ever in an ICC final.

let me convey this in very very simple terms: The Champions Trophy is a completely irrelevant tournament that has no purpose and no context.

Now lets hear your next question.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Babar failed against India and that is a truth nobody can hide. Babar is a nothing player??? That is not true. He is still better than the lot, people hyped.

 

[Mamoon]

let me convey this in very very simple terms: The Champions Trophy is a completely irrelevant tournament that has no purpose and no context.

Now lets hear your next question.

Cool story, but that, unfortunately, will not change the fact that India has been at the receiving end of the biggest thrashing ever in an ICC tournament final. It is an unfortunate record that you have to live with, and the fact that it was inflicted by Pakistan makes it only worse.

Furthermore, it is also funny how the CT becomes completely irrelevant when it comes to deflecting India’s recording breaking humiliation but becomes completely relevant when it comes to flexing the trophy count of the mediocre Dhoni.

 

[Mamoon]

Indian fans:

The CT is irrelevant, no one cares about it. It is okay if India got violated in the final by a record margin.

Also Indian fans:

Dhoni is the GOAT captain because he is the only captain to have won three trophies, including the CT.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Indian fans:

The CT is irrelevant, no one cares about it. It is okay if India got violated in the final by a record margin.

Also Indian fans:

Dhoni is the GOAT captain because he is the only captain to have won three trophies, including the CT.

Hi Mamoon, what's with your change of stance towards all topics related to Babar and Pakistan in general ?

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

@Mamoon do you still stand by your statements of pak cricket is finished, pak has no talent and the country has no future still ?

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon do you still stand by your statements of pak cricket is finished, pak has no talent and the country has no future still ?

It is good to see after a long time.

I do, but I’m also tired of the Indian fans arrogance and their delusions. They need to be humbled and brought back to earth and I’m making sure it happens.

Also, the way they disrespect Pakistan while being on a Pakistani forum is also unacceptable. They need to be more measured and careful with their words.

Otherwise, I have no issues with India and Indian posters but the low IQ trolls need to be taken to task.

 

[Mamoon]

It is not that.

I lost faith in Indian cricket on November 19, 2023. You bottled a World Cup after manipulating and influencing each and every aspect of the tournament.

That day made me finally realize that I overestimated Indian cricket for a long time and failed to see that they don’t have the chops. Perhaps it was my disappointment with Pakistan cricket that forced me to glorify and glamorize Indian cricket beyond what they deserve.

Since then, I have made a mission to humble Indian fans and bring their down to earth by showing the mirror.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please stay on topic. No need to talk personal stuff here.

 

[JaDed]

So what if you have more World Cup wins?

That’s the least you should have after controlling each and every aspect of cricket for 15 years now.

The cricket is world is at India’s mercy and yet India is failing to dominate like it should but the sad reality is that you are not good enough to dominate.

Lol what aspect are they controlling , BCCI just knows to make money, they don’t stop PCB, BCB to make money.

I can quote your older posts on this aspect but I have to say I prefer this version of yours now blaming BCCI lol

 

[Ab Fan]

BCCI has the power and money to control the game certainly but they just don't do it otherwise WTC Final would have scheduled in venues other than England too.

 

[NishanKonar]

He played the "broken record" statement "Pakistan cricket is finished" for half a decade because it irked the fans.

Since the Pakistani fans dont take bait anymore, its pointless.

Now he is triggering Indian fans by 180 degree turn as that makes him stay conspicuous.

There may be a political element as well (Babar Azam), but I am kind enough to ignore it.

He seems to have that " be the main man " obsession. Probably loves being at the center of attention

 

[NishanKonar]

Lol what aspect are they controlling , BCCI just knows to make money, they don’t stop PCB, BCB to make money.

I can quote your older posts on this aspect but I have to say I prefer this version of yours now blaming BCCI lol

Bro do u realise he is here to troll. There is little point in working out any logic in his arguments

 

[NishanKonar]

Since then, I have made a mission to humble Indian fans and bring their down to earth by showing the mirror.

Reminds me of Hasan Ali's mission before the 2018 Asia Cup : To take all 10 wickets against India

 

[Mamoon]

Reminds me of Hasan Ali's mission before the 2018 Asia Cup : To take all 10 wickets against India

No, if you want it to remind you of failure, then you should look closer to home and think about India trying to win the 2023 World Cup final.

 

[RahulBose]

He seems to have that " be the main man " obsession. Probably loves being at the center of attention

Agreed.

Some deep rooted scarring at play here... Imagine trying to humble the best or second best team in the world.
When your own team is down in the dumps.

 

[BouncerGuy]

What now??? Another failure... He was showing intent and played some good shots but the problem is still there.. Babar has fallen

 

[Hitman]

A better innings he played today than in his last game.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Babar Azam was in good touch. I feel sad for him.

I don't know when we will see him score a century against India.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Babar Azam was in good touch. I feel sad for him.

I don't know when we will see him score a century against India.

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[Cover Drive Six]

He failed once again against arch-rivals on the big stage in the ODI match.
Babar's ODI average against India is 30.1

 

[mominsaigol]

Babar Azam was in good touch. I feel sad for him.

I don't know when we will see him score a century against India.

Never gonna happen

 

[FearlessRoar]

Babar Azam against India in ODIs

23(26) (Recent)
50(58)
10(24)
48(57)
9(25)
47(62)
46(52)
8(12)

 

[Hitman]

What a shame! I wish he played till the 20th over.