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He’s mediocre - and yet is there anyone better for his position who’s not in the team?
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Ahmed Shehzad, Saim Ayub - literally tons of player in domestics.He’s mediocre - and yet is there anyone better for his position who’s not in the team?
Saim Ayub is literally in the squad right now.He’s mediocre - and yet is there anyone better for his position who’s not in the team?
Saim Ayub is literally in the squad right now.
Hurraira was picked on back of 2 consecutive QEA top scorer awards and then dropped without getting a game.
Ahmed Shehzad, Saim Ayub - literally tons of player in domestics.
That's quite genius.I’m not sure about Shehzad; highly debatable. The guy was always too fragile and he’s past his sell by date IMO.
And Saim Ayub basis that he’s an exciting youngster, that’s a difficult judgment call. From what I see he’s played T20Is at an average of 17.56 You want to send him up to open in a Test in Australia in his debut game?
Guys Imam has literally scored the highest so far in this Test for Pakistan. yeah he’s bog average but he should get a break.
That's quite genius.
Lemme confirm. Are you looking at Saim's t20 average to gauge his test potential?
More than these 3 getting timely boundaries in test cricket is more important as it relieves the pressure and improves SR. Scoring 4 boundaries out of 199 balls shows he lacks confidence and was just trying to save his place. He should have scored at least 12-15 boundaries after playing so many deliveries3 areas where the innings could have been better:
Rotation of strike
Looking for more singles
A go-to shot which gets him off strike
Yes he missed out on some bad balls which he should have put away.More than these 3 getting timely boundaries in test cricket is more important as it relieves the pressure and improves SR. Scoring 4 boundaries out of 199 balls shows he lacks confidence and was just trying to save his place. He should have scored at least 12-15 boundaries after playing so many deliveries
Follow fc cricket maybe. Makes for an educated discourseYou realise you just made my point for me?
First let me first add that we were talking of an opener for the current Test series, not who has better long term potential.
So- you want to give him an opener slot (replace Imam) in Australia on the basis of what exactly?
He still top scored for the team. The main reason we are behind is because Shan/Babar/Saud/Sarfraz made no use of the start that we were given.161 ball half-centuries is not what Pakistan needs. But I'm sure this innings made Misbah and his loyalists very proud. Would you say that's right @Major ?
Is there an example of any team dropping their top scorer?Sadly the way PCB works is that the higher ups have zero cricketing intelligence.
They will see he scored a 50 and he’s set for the next few series.
Not taking into account how constipated of a 50 it was, when the pitch had no demons in it. He looked unsure and like a tailender holding up one end.
He had as much confidence in the first ball as he did in his last, aka zero.
People will point to Pujara, but Pujara makes it count. If you are stalling around for that long, the only way to make it count is by scoring a 100 at least. Unless you’re in the 4th innings trying to draw the game.
India dropped one of their young stars for a period just a few games after he scored a 300.Is there an example of any team dropping their top scorer?
Imam would have gotten more criticism if the entire middle order had not failed so badly.
Karun Nair. That 300 had more impact than any of Imam’s innings thus far. Yet he played 6 games and was out.India dropped one of their young stars for a period just a few games after he scored a 300.
Australia dropped Voges despite scoring a mountain of runs and was let go after just a few flops.
The big teams drop their players on innings based on context, not just number of runs.
That’s because Karun Nair was never part of India’s main plans and he failed in every inning aside from his 300. He had a massive flop of a series in Australia and he was dropped after that - his average aside from that 300 is 11.8.India dropped one of their young stars for a period just a few games after he scored a 300.
Australia dropped Voges despite scoring a mountain of runs and was let go after just a few flops.
The big teams drop their players on innings based on context, not just number of runs.
there’s more I’m sure, I need to do a bit more digging. But other top teams put a lot more weight on context than just individual scores. This is true.That’s because Karun Nair was never part of India’s main plans and he failed in every inning aside from his 300. He had a massive flop of a series in Australia and he was dropped after that - his average aside from that 300 is 11.8.
Voges was not let go after a few flops, he failed in two consecutive series and averaged 14.8 in the last 10 innings he ever played.
Almost never are players dropped right after scoring 50+ and that’s true of any cricket team.
I didn’t want Imam to be selected for this Test series to begin with, although I don’t follow Pakistan domestic cricket enough to know who should replace him. But, it’s weird that he’s getting the most hate on this forum when he played the best innings out of all of our batsmen. Shan’s 30, Babar’s 21, and Sarfraz’s 3 did way more damage than Imam’s innings did. And at least Imam and Babar are not even 30 yet while Shan and Sarfraz have gotten an unbelievable number of chances. If all of our top 7 played scored 60 we’d be looking at a draw or competing for a win right now.
what does Misbah have to do here?
Follow fc cricket maybe. Makes for an educated discourse
what does Misbah have to do with this?Imam is fulfilling Misbah’s legacy as he paced his innings the same way as Misbah would.
So therefore, shouldn’t Misbah and his supporters be proud of this knock?
But they have players to replace them.India dropped one of their young stars for a period just a few games after he scored a 300.
Australia dropped Voges despite scoring a mountain of runs and was let go after just a few flops.
The big teams drop their players on innings based on context, not just number of runs.
But they have players to replace them.
Who have Pakistan got? Remember, Pakistan is the least talented cricket nation in the world.
Australia can drop Voges and find a Labuschagne and a Head few years later and India can drop Nair and find a dozen other quality batsmen.
It is pointless to talk about dropping Imam when you have made the worst top-order Test batsman in Pakistan history the captain of the Test team.
Like I have mentioned before he's a good quality glorified night Watchman, that's it.Imam fails again. After playing 44 balls for his 10 runs, he handed one straight to slips.
Even if he plays 100 domestic games he will be the same in SENA conditions.He is even inferior to Azhar Ali when it's comes playing shots and rotating strike, in Test cricket he has no strong zone , suspectible outside off stump no pull no hook, poor feet movement while playing on offside and lot more he needs a good domestic season to get back in rhythm
When he can't play aggressively in ODIs, how can you expect a fiery inning from him in Test cricket?You can't continue to play at a strike rate of 10. Your captain has been loud and clear about the approach he wants his batters to take, but Imam refuses to listen or play for his team. Totally unacceptable!
And he can't run between the wickets.Imam is proving to be the parchi of the century. Can’t field, can’t bowl and can’t bat but is an automatic choice in Test and ODI!
Usually, when you set a batter up, you bowl a few in a spot, and then bowl a surprise ball to get the batter out.
With Imam, you only need to bowl one delivery for the set-up
In one post your're saying Imam has been decent and in the post after you're making fun of his batting.
What's going on with you?
Include Babar also, look at his score in all 4 innings he playedThis was pakistan's best chance of beating Australia... But players like imam, shafique and saud ensured that Pakistan's losing streak continues.. Fixer wahab should have selected team on merit. He selected imam even though he was a liability in the WC23. It's criminal to even think that imam will be able to score in Australia when he gets bounce out on slow sub continent track.
I'm in a dichotomy regarding his inclusion in the next test. He shouldn't bat simply because he can't bat against quality opposition.
But at the same time would it be fair to a new opener to debut against Australia in Australia, are we setting them up for failure?
Do we need to give Imam the third test to conclusively establish that he isn't fit to open for Pakistan?