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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Is this finally an admission that our pacers are useless?

shamaan said:
No Amir Jamal should play as he can bat.
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One batter alone cant do wonders when six specialist batters fail so why not create a balanced side and go for a specialist pacer?

Look at what Amer Jamal has done so far in this Test...it's just a waste of resources.
 
Aaqib's all-spinner strategy is proving more effective than Jason Gillespie's four-pacer approach, considering the positive results we're seeing.
 
Moeen Ali speaking during a Podcast:

“There is this thing, people especially with Pakistani backgrounds will say Pakistan seamers are the best. I am like no. They are good, but no, they are not the best.”

“Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Haris Rauf are very good, don’t get me wrong. We are not saying they are bad, but they are not the best either.”
 
BouncerGuy said:
Moeen Ali speaking during a Podcast:

“There is this thing, people especially with Pakistani backgrounds will say Pakistan seamers are the best. I am like no. They are good, but no, they are not the best.”

“Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Haris Rauf are very good, don’t get me wrong. We are not saying they are bad, but they are not the best either.”
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Very interesting from Moeen and Adil bhai.

They basically acknowledged that Brit Pakistanis have a mentality wherein rate Pakistan's fast bowling stocks based on the past rather than current reality.

Explains a lot of posts here

Stuck in a time warp . Moeen categorically refused to rate them the best and rated Aussie pacers , Shami and Bumrah .

Host tried to play the "talented but underperforming" card but they shut him down :inti
 
BouncerGuy said:
Moeen Ali speaking during a Podcast:

“There is this thing, people especially with Pakistani backgrounds will say Pakistan seamers are the best. I am like no. They are good, but no, they are not the best.”

“Naseem Shah, Shaheen Shah Afridi, and Haris Rauf are very good, don’t get me wrong. We are not saying they are bad, but they are not the best either.”
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At least they represent their motherland and do not play for a country that ruled over their ancestors.
 
Pakistan Only produced few good fast bowlers but Pakistan fan's hype them like they were/are the best. :kp
 
Moeen is spot on, Pakistan pacers are good but they are not consistent enough to be considered match-winners.

Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have been extremely good in patches then horrid for a bunch of games. Our depth is even more woeful, which is why we keep going back to these three.

To be the best, you need to be remembered as certified match-winners like Bumrah, Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood, Rabada etc

Not be very good in a few games then downright terrible in the rest.

Another aspect is how they have regressed rather than improve.
 
Every series Pakistan hand out debuts to pacers only to bin them after 3-4 games with the core group remains cemented.
 
I think Pakistan should select Ali Raza for national team. Ali Raza played in last U-19 World Cup. He was quite impressive.
 
sweep_shot said:
I think Pakistan should select Ali Raza for national team. Ali Raza played in last U-19 World Cup. He was quite impressive.
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Very raw atm... I think he needs more domestic games behind his belt to be effective even more.
 
Bhaijaan said:
At least they represent their motherland and do not play for a country that ruled over their ancestors.
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It makes little sense to play for Pakistan unless he couldn’t get into the England ATG side in his prime, sport is not war or politics. Anyway, I personally couldn’t care less what happened to the Ancestors, and especially not enough to want to play in a team
 
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Usman Chadda said:
Moeen is spot on, Pakistan pacers are good but they are not consistent enough to be considered match-winners.

Shaheen, Naseem and Haris have been extremely good in patches then horrid for a bunch of games. Our depth is even more woeful, which is why we keep going back to these three.

To be the best, you need to be remembered as certified match-winners like Bumrah, Cummins, Starc, Hazelwood, Rabada etc

Not be very good in a few games then downright terrible in the rest.

Another aspect is how they have regressed rather than improve.
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The biggest disappointment is Shaheen, there was no ceiling for his potential but am starting to see it now, it has dropped to Steven Finn levels. The core group you mentioned have been given a long rope, the alternatives haven’t really had much off a look or given enough chances to shine. Take Mohammad Wasim Jnr for example, he disappeared from PCB’s radar after the 2023 WC, and the PCB workload management team + their world class medical have also played a key role in stunting the development of their resources. You bring in guys who are hungry to play for Pakistan, rotate them well and give them the freedom to spread their wings; you ought to be in a much better position then now, it’s a very toxic environment and the seniors have taken their positions for granted and don’t really mentor youngsters either / welcome them into the team 🐍.
 
shaz619 said:
The biggest disappointment is Shaheen, there was no ceiling for his potential but am starting to see it now, it has dropped to Steven Finn levels. The core group you mentioned have been given a long rope, the alternatives haven’t really had much off a look or given enough chances to shine. Take Mohammad Wasim Jnr for example, he disappeared from PCB’s radar after the 2023 WC, and the PCB workload management team + their world class medical have also played a key role in stunting the development of their resources. You bring in guys who are hungry to play for Pakistan, rotate them well and give them the freedom to spread their wings; you ought to be in a much better position then now, it’s a very toxic environment and the seniors have taken their positions for granted and don’t really mentor youngsters either / welcome them into the team 🐍.
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Shaheen literally looks like he has no hunger to improve right now, which is a shame since he has all the tools a pace bowler needs to become really good.

Naseem has been crippled by injuries, so he needs to work on his pathetic fitness levels before he does anything else.

The toxic environment is not helping, that’s true. All these players are just content on getting by and do enough to keep their spots.
 
Former England all-rounder Moeen Ali has raised doubts about Pakistan’s pace attack, sparking debate in the cricketing world. Speaking on a podcast with Adil Rashid, he acknowledged the talent of Naseem Shah, Shaheen Afridi, and Haris Rauf but dismissed claims that they are the best in the world. His comments have led to discussions among fans and experts.

Moeen stated that many, especially those with Pakistani backgrounds, believe Pakistan has the best fast bowlers, but he disagrees. He emphasized that while Naseem, Shaheen, and Haris are skilled, they do not surpass other top pacers globally. His remarks challenged the common perception of Pakistan’s pace dominance.

He further explained that although the trio is good, they are not at the absolute top level. His comments came after Pakistan’s pacers struggled during the Champions Trophy 2025, raising questions about their consistency in high-pressure games. Their performance in the tournament did not match the high expectations set by Pakistani fans.


Moeen’s remarks have fueled discussions about the true strength of Pakistan’s bowling attack. Many are now debating whether Pakistan’s pacers need further improvement to compete with the world’s best. His criticism has added to the ongoing conversation about Pakistan’s cricketing future.

dailytimes.com.pk

"Not the best" – Moeen Ali criticizes Pakistan’s pace trio - Daily Times

Former England all-rounder Moeen Ali has raised doubts about Pakistan’s pace attack, sparking debate in the cricketing world. Speaking on a podcast with Adil Rashid, he acknowledged the talent of Naseem Shah, Shaheen Afridi, and Haris Rauf but dismissed claims that they are the best in the...
dailytimes.com.pk dailytimes.com.pk
 
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He has a lot to say for an underwhelming career on the field, off the field he has my respect, but hes always moaning or complaining about something.
 
….”raised doubts…”? There was never any doubt. Good bowlers but very inconsistent, not fit enough to consistently bowl 10 overs well, and often succumb to pressure and leak runs. Moeen has called it right.
Remember you had Wasim, Waqar, and Akhtar leading your bowling- these bowlers are a far cry from those highs.
 
Skill wise they are right up there but there ability to handle pressure and bowl according to match situation and general bowling intelligence and ability to out think the batter are no where near top class pacers of today and that’s because of low iq and lack of education.
 
you need to able to consistently out think the modern batter if you want to get him out in crunch situation, smart bowlers like M.Amir , Asif and Shoaib were the last trio whom had the bowling skills plus the bowling brain to complement it.
 
It's the truth. Like it or not, they are nowhere near the best in the world. Probably struggling to even be considered even in the mid-tier category at international level.
 
Moin bhai is right, the current Pakistani pacers are really poor.. this might even be the worst pace attack among the test playing nations right now...
 
It is the truth.
Nothing wrong in what he said, we all know that.

I mean how can you perform when your fitness is not up to International standards.
 
Laughable to even suggest they are the best when you have Cummins, Bumrah, Starc, Hazelwood, Rabada etc in the ranks at international level.

They have the skillset, but they possess zero bowling intelligence and you can only go so far just on skill alone.

Shaheen specifically can become the best in the world, but he is more focused on making money by playing random leagues and his attitude issues are taking a toll on him now. He literally has everything a good fast bowler needs, yet he is still considered a good bowler based on potential only.
 
Usman Chadda said:
Laughable to even suggest they are the best when you have Cummins, Bumrah, Starc, Hazelwood, Rabada etc in the ranks at international level.

They have the skillset, but they possess zero bowling intelligence and you can only go so far just on skill alone.

Shaheen specifically can become the best in the world, but he is more focused on making money by playing random leagues and his attitude issues are taking a toll on him now. He literally has everything a good fast bowler needs, yet he is still considered a good bowler based on potential only.
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I don’t even think that Shaheen has the skillset tbh. He has a good inswinger & that’s it. The whole world knows that you need to see him off in the first couple of overs & then he goes for massive runs. If you do not develop variations & your pace is dropping even after playing for 7-8 years, how can you call him a good bowler?
 
Mockingbird said:
I don’t even think that Shaheen has the skillset tbh. He has a good inswinger & that’s it. The whole world knows that you need to see him off in the first couple of overs & then he goes for massive runs. If you do not develop variations & your pace is dropping even after playing for 7-8 years, how can you call him a good bowler?
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His pace is getting better and he was picking up wickets in the middle overs, just not in the two games in the CT.

His main issue is lack of intelligence which makes him look mediocre than he really is. Low IQ is the reason he goes for runs at the death. Pace, height and swing, what else does a fast bowler need?
 
Pakistan has the worst bowling attack in the cricketing world today. I mean this amazing bowling attack couldn’t defend against the USA.
 
Who are these NZ players? Are they not playing their A team here?

Most of them can’t even catch!!
 
Muhammad Saad said:
Skill wise they are right up there but there ability to handle pressure and bowl
according to match situation and general bowling intelligence and ability to out
think the batter are no where near top class pacers of today and that’s because of low iq and lack of education.
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They are not "right up there" skillwise.
Shaheen and Rauf in particular struggle to hit a line and length consistently.
 
Having seen the next generation pacers of pakistan one thing is clear, Shaheen, haris, and Naseem are way better than them, with this bowling lineup they aren't going to compete with strong teams that sure.
 
sugumarrising said:
Having seen the next generation pacers of pakistan one thing is clear, Shaheen, haris, and Naseem are way better than them, with this bowling lineup they aren't going to compete with strong teams that sure.
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Yes a 35 averaging Naseem (which is one of the worst average ever in international T20 cricket) with a T20 economy over 8, is better than them based on one single match.

Dude even a bowling machine will have a better average than Naseem.
 
shaz619 said:
The biggest disappointment is Shaheen, there was no ceiling for his potential but am starting to see it now, it has dropped to Steven Finn levels. The core group you mentioned have been given a long rope, the alternatives haven’t really had much off a look or given enough chances to shine. Take Mohammad Wasim Jnr for example, he disappeared from PCB’s radar after the 2023 WC, and the PCB workload management team + their world class medical have also played a key role in stunting the development of their resources. You bring in guys who are hungry to play for Pakistan, rotate them well and give them the freedom to spread their wings; you ought to be in a much better position then now, it’s a very toxic environment and the seniors have taken their positions for granted and don’t really mentor youngsters either / welcome them into the team 🐍.
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No country’s cricket can survive if it’s not getting constant supply of top talent. Shaheen has been around for a long time. Naseem isn’t new anymore. Babar is already a veteran.

It’s high time some exciting young talent emerge like Saim.
 
sugumarrising said:
Having seen the next generation pacers of pakistan one thing is clear, Shaheen, haris, and Naseem are way better than them, with this bowling lineup they aren't going to compete with strong teams that sure.
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1. Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem, Haris are mediocre
2. They are the best Pak have got

Both these things are true

Pakistanis seem to be under some delusion that by dropping them and getting some "talunt" from the domestics they will be a top team.

There is no "talunt".

These are the best in Pakistan.

Play with them and be a mid table team like SL, Bangladesh, WI etc. ICC trophies etc are not for you.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They are not "right up there" skillwise.
Shaheen and Rauf in particular struggle to hit a line and length consistently.
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Yes lol.

Bowling a magic ball is not skill.

Skill is bowling consistently ball after ball.

Even Sreesanth would bowl magic balls once in a while.
 
Bhaijaan said:
No country’s cricket can survive if it’s not getting constant supply of top talent. Shaheen has been around for a long time. Naseem isn’t new anymore. Babar is already a veteran.

It’s high time some exciting young talent emerge like Saim.
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True, Shaheen’s peak was shorter then Mohammad Amir’s :yk
 
saimayubera said:
1. Babar, Rizwan, Shaheen, Naseem, Haris are mediocre
2. They are the best Pak have got

Both these things are true

Pakistanis seem to be under some delusion that by dropping them and getting some "talunt" from the domestics they will be a top team.

There is no "talunt".

These are the best in Pakistan.

Play with them and be a mid table team like SL, Bangladesh, WI etc. ICC trophies etc are not for you.
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LOL

Ever heard of new players/ developing players? How will Pak cricket move on if we stick with Babar and Rizwan all the time?

Both are 30 plus anyways.

Only way forward is to forget them and move on, yes it might take 3 to 5 years to be a strong team, but going back to them should never happen.

Non one knows the future but Pak can and inshallah will bounce back.
 
shaz619 said:
True, Shaheen’s peak was shorter then Mohammad Amir’s :yk
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Shaheen must reinvent himself.
You can’t be a great bowler if you’re just a one trick pony with the new ball. He must do a camp with Wahab Riaz or Umar Gul who were both masters at bowling in the middle overs of the inning.
 
Devadwal said:
Did you see anything special in Mohammad Ali ? :kp
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He was pretty decent a year or so ago. But injuries have taken their toll I suppose.

Also, is he only 32? Might hurt the feelings of some PAK fans but some of these players' ages have been definitely questionable
 
Very high grunt/pace ratio for many PAK bowlers .

But Mohammad Ali has the highest. Very loud grunt to bowl trundle balls.
 
I mean what harm is in playing all spinners instead of fast bowlers who are giving free runs to opposition why not try something different play all spinners who knows spinners will be hard to play for sena teams why not try sufiyan abrar sajid see what they can do.
 
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