[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Joe Root - following his career trajectory

[jnaveen1980]

Every good player go through ups and downs. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.

 

[James]

This one innings does not make up for everything else that has happened, and the underlying problems with Joe and his captaincy remain. But fair’s fair - it was a very good knock.

 

[BlueBeamer]

It was only a matter of time before a player of Joe's class made some some big runs. Root will always be a part of the Fab 4 no matter much people try force to another batsman in.

 

[Ab Fan]

Quality inning from Root. Can he take his team to victory in this match? Bowlers will have to do the job in 2nd inning though.

 

[Robert]

Every good player go through ups and downs. Form is temporary. Class is permanent.

But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.

 

[Mamoon]

It was only a matter of time before a player of Joe's class made some some big runs. Root will always be a part of the Fab 4 no matter much people try force to another batsman in.

Totally agree. He is a high class player who will be back to his prolific best soon.

 

[Mamoon]

But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.

I don’t think it affected Strauss that much. He even turned into a serious ODI player at the end of his ODI captaincy. He was a different type of character though.

Nevertheless, the captaincy has taken its toll on Root. A brave innings today, but you can sense the burden that he is carrying.

 

[Robert]

I don’t think it affected Strauss that much. He even turned into a serious ODI player at the end of his ODI captaincy. He was a different type of character though.

Nevertheless, the captaincy has taken its toll on Root. A brave innings today, but you can sense the burden that he is carrying.

His average stayed about the same but he became patchy, like Gatting as skipper.

Strausser has an annoying habit of battling to the close on fifty or a hundred and getting out quickly next morning. This robbed him of a higher aggregate.

 

[jnaveen1980]

But loss of run production by England captains is mostly permanent too.

England should select a lesser player as skipper and keep their main gun unencumbered.

Root's batting basics are good. Guys like him won't have prolonged slump captaincy or not.

 

[Abdullah719]

Great effort from him to make 226 against NZ, specially considering the pressure he's been under recently.

 

[Robert]

Root's batting basics are good. Guys like him won't have prolonged slump captaincy or not.

It’s concentration that is the issue, not mechanics. With more runs from the top three, Root will be better able to relax and get into the Zone.

 

[Saj]

I wish Pakistan had some of these batsmen 'in decline'.

 

[ARK Rafay]

I wish Pakistan had some of these batsmen 'in decline'.

Azhar Ali

 

[Hitman]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watching <a href="https://twitter.com/root66?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@root66</a> bat is like watching paint <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dry?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dry</a> how can u be a game down and bat this slow <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/poor?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#poor</a></p>— Fidel Edwards (@EdwardsFidel) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdwardsFidel/status/1201310545393180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[MenInG]

Missed a golden opportunity today to take the game away from SA with his batting.

 

[jnaveen1980]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watching <a href="https://twitter.com/root66?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@root66</a> bat is like watching paint <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dry?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dry</a> how can u be a game down and bat this slow <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/poor?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#poor</a></p>— Fidel Edwards (@EdwardsFidel) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdwardsFidel/status/1201310545393180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

No wonder WI is in bad shape. 29 in 49 is slow? lol Anywho has he watched Shai hope who was having strike rate of 55 in the one dayers

 

[Mobashir]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watching <a href="https://twitter.com/root66?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@root66</a> bat is like watching paint <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dry?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dry</a> how can u be a game down and bat this slow <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/poor?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#poor</a></p>— Fidel Edwards (@EdwardsFidel) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdwardsFidel/status/1201310545393180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

A game down? That's the 1st Test Fidel!

 

[Abdullah719]

No wonder WI is in bad shape. 29 in 49 is slow? lol Anywho has he watched Shai hope who was having strike rate of 55 in the one dayers

A game down? That's the 1st Test Fidel!

The tweet is from the 2nd Test between England and NZ where Root made a double-ton and the match was drawn.

 

[barah_admi]

Root out in a crucial point for England...he has normally had a good time in SA but he seems to be struggling with his feet and timing. As stated a long time ago, Root's back issues may trouble his test career and likely shorten it.

 

[tyron_woodley]

still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

is he losing his hand eye coordination?

I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.

 

[barah_admi]

still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

is he losing his hand eye coordination?

I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.

I think his back is starting to get to him, which slows down his feet and I'm guessing the stiffness makes him uncomfortable.

 

[Varun]

still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. .

A great player by England standards maybe. This is the same nation that anoints the likes of Michaels Atherton and Vaughan "great" too.

 

[Hyperion66]

still a great player but I feel like he has been figured out. I don't know. He looks very languid on the pitch these days.

is he losing his hand eye coordination?

I rate root. in 2015-2017 he was incredible.

I remember at times he never used to get out. What happened to that root.

It seems to me that he somehow lost motivation and lacking the hunger. I do not see any glaring issue with his technique, may be someone with more knowledge and experience can analyze better. As per my observation, it is more mental than technical.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Averages 48.4 now!

 

[jnaveen1980]

He doesn't have that much of obvious weaknesses. Probably not in rythm.

 

[Aman]

He doesn't have that much of obvious weaknesses. Probably not in rythm.

What are you on about? His weakness is temperament - being unable to convert and play long innings. the 40s and 50s are danger time for him.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is good for fifties only. Both Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are better batter than him.

 

[Saj]

Never looked like he was going to take England to victory today.

Looked edgy, uncomfortable and a walking wicket.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

He is good for fifties only. Both Alastair Cook and Kevin Pietersen are better batter than him.

Cook has scored more match winnings knocks than Root can even dream of imo.

 

[dildilpak]

Should be relieved of captaincy ASAP - it is weighing down on him.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

Precisely the reason I don’t want Babar to captain test team. Some guys are not suited for captaincy. Let them just bat..

 

[Varun]

Another typical Joe Root series:

29, 48, 35, 61, 27 and 59 so far.

 

[Mobashir]

Batting is not only about averages and hundreds.

Root has played so many crucial knocks in this series. He has just helped his team win an away series IN SA.

He is so underrated over here. One of the best in the world.

 

[Robert]

Should be relieved of captaincy ASAP - it is weighing down on him.

Averaghed 53 when not captain and 43 when captain.

But his captaincy has come on this series.

And he scored 343 runs at 45 average.

That's good enough.

 

[jnaveen1980]

With the kind of batting depth Root has at his disposal he can play with a lot more freedom.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

47/169 - 27.8% Root
34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
25/131 - 19.0% Smith
26/141 - 18.4% kohli

 

[Mobashir]

Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

47/169 - 27.8% Root
34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
25/131 - 19.0% Smith
26/141 - 18.4% kohli

This comparaison means nothing. It depends on the quantity of cricket you play in each country.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This comparaison means nothing. It depends on the quantity of cricket you play in each country.

What are you talking man? It doesn't mean nothing. Every player analayzes their mode of dismissal and reduces the mode of the dismissal. Tendulkar did during 2004 tour to Australia by cutting out offside shots entirely as he wsa getting out frequently. Kohli worked on his off stump game to reduce the dismissal around the off stump. It worked in England next time. This is exactly why each team has data analysis. Mode of dismissals. What type of bowlers get you out. Opposition strategy is mainly based on this.

 

[Mobashir]

What are you talking man? It doesn't mean nothing. Every player analayzes their mode of dismissal and reduces the mode of the dismissal. Tendulkar did during 2004 tour to Australia by cutting out offside shots entirely as he wsa getting out frequently. Kohli worked on his off stump game to reduce the dismissal around the off stump. It worked in England next time. This is exactly why each team has data analysis. Mode of dismissals. What type of bowlers get you out. Opposition strategy is mainly based on this.

Ok, if you are happy believing you are right, that's fine for me.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Ok, if you are happy believing you are right, that's fine for me.

This is not a secret. This is one of the most common knowledge. KL Rahul opens the innings. First over he gets an yorker from Hazlewood in Test match and gets bowled. You think it is a coincidence. Who bowls a yorker first over of a test match? Not because KL Rahul 27 out of 60 innings he is either lbw and bowled? Same way with how India worked Finch over , Guptill over with incoming balls.

 

[James]

Averaghed 53 when not captain and 43 when captain.

But his captaincy has come on this series.

And he scored 343 runs at 45 average.

That's good enough.

And if one adds in his runs against New Zealand, which were mainly comprised of his double hundred, for the last two Test series he has been averaging 55.

Seems to be starting to turn a corner.

 

[tyron_woodley]

he is fine the way he is. I respect root. Great player. better than Williamson and only a shade under kohli and smith.

right now him vs pujara is close. if it weren't for the australia series, root would be ahead comfortably. Now it's close.

puji at home is scary good though.

 

[MP2011]

Caught by wicket keeper dismissal

Root has a very high percentage of caught behind. 27.8% That is more than 1 in every 4 dismissals.

47/169 - 27.8% Root
34/137 - 24.8% Williamson
25/131 - 19.0% Smith
26/141 - 18.4% kohli

So basically Root & Williamson are getting caught behind once every 4 innings. Way too high for this generation's top batsmen. Getting caught behind is a sign of poor technique and sometimes the pitches people play on. Unlike some 'learned' people, I'm sure these 2 would be surely doing everything they could, to get that right.

 

[Ab Fan]

Root is a good batsmen, actually an elite level, but leagues below Kohli and Smith.

Him and Williamson falls in the same league as some of other elite batters- Cook, Pietersen,G Smith, ABDV, Clarke, Amla etc.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So basically Root & Williamson are getting caught behind once every 4 innings. Way too high for this generation's top batsmen. Getting caught behind is a sign of poor technique and sometimes the pitches people play on. Unlike some 'learned' people, I'm sure these 2 would be surely doing everything they could, to get that right.

Go to shot of Kane williamson is back cutting ball to third man. Sometimes he drags on to the stumps. Smith and Kohli have this habit of walking right across. But Smith makes sure he is not infront of the stumps. But Kohli doesn't mind whether he is infront of the stump when he moves across.

 

[ind_win]

pope will overtake him as Eng#1 batsman in 2-3 years - at least in Test matches. From what I have seen in 1-2 outings against India in its last tour, pope is much better in technique and has showed the same in SA tour too.

 

[andy0204]

But at least he makes couple of fifties.
Williamsons form is in worry,after world cup he is struggling
struggled in Srilanka,
Even that 100 he made against England,Denly dropped a simple catch.
Against Australia he looked exhaust.

 

[Robert]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Watching <a href="https://twitter.com/root66?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@root66</a> bat is like watching paint <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/dry?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#dry</a> how can u be a game down and bat this slow <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/poor?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#poor</a></p>— Fidel Edwards (@EdwardsFidel) <a href="https://twitter.com/EdwardsFidel/status/1201310545393180672?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 2, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

When you aim to win the series 3-1, I guess.

 

[Abdullah719]

When you aim to win the series 3-1, I guess.

Edwards' Tweet was during the New Zealand vs England series. 2nd Dec.

 

[The Viper]

England skipper Root still in training despite virus

There may be no training nets for them to attend right now but England captains Joe Root and Heather Knight are still following personalised programmes even though no one knows when they will play cricket again.

Last week the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) announced a seven-week delay to the start of the 2020 season.

The County Championship, which comprises four-day first-class matches, was due to start on 12 April.

And although England's Test series at home to the West Indies is not meant to commence until 4 June this may not begin on time either now with the ECB saying on Tuesday there "is uncertainty surrounding when, or if, the domestic and international summer will start".

But each of England's centrally contracted men's and women's players have been given an individualised training programme.

Test skipper Root, recently returned from a tour of Sri Lanka that was abandoned during a warm-up match, said: "While it has been good to get some downtime after our return from Sri Lanka, keeping my fitness up is really important so I can be at the top of my game when we get back on the field.

"I'm an active person anyway, with my young son keeping me busy, but having a structured plan will help me improve in certain areas," the star batsman added.

"We'd obviously much rather be playing cricket right now, but this gives us an opportunity to recover from a demanding past 12 months and get our bodies in good shape for when matches resume."

Meanwhile Knight, who hopes to lead her team against India this season, said: "It's obviously not ideal but it's a great way of trying to stay in shape and keep ticking over.

"This is a new challenge - we'll all just be doing what we can to maintain our levels and hopefully be as ready as we can when we get back playing, whenever that comes."

Rob Ahmun, ECB's national lead coach for strength and conditioning, said the board had provided centrally contracted men's and women's players with a 'home training' package, including ropes, resistance bands, medicine ball and a kettle ball.

"If the season does come about and we know we have, say, a six week build-up to the season we've ensured the players aren't starting for a training base of zero, they're starting from a decent base so they can hit the ground running," he said.

https://www.sport24.co.za/Cricket/england-skipper-root-still-in-training-despite-virus-20200324

 

[Firebat]

Root out for 23 on his return to the side. Was looking initially in good rhythm and in good nick, but he's thrown it away with an incredibly loose shot. Still just 1 century in his last 23 innings.

 

[sweep_shot]

Root has stopped being the root of England's batting. He seems out of form.

Did captaincy affect his batting negatively? Quite possible.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Typical English batting career graph. Will retire with 45-47 test average.

He was really good 5 years ago.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The upcoming series vs pakistan will decide who belongs in fab 4,babar or root.

 

[Saj]

Lazy and very ordinary shot today.

It was like slip-fielding practice.

 

[Mamoon]

Needs to be relieved of captaincy duties.

Buttler Test captain, Stokes vice.

I think captaincy will have the opposite effect on Buttler and help him elevate his game, while Stokes has the perfect temperament for a vice captain but probably not for a captain.

 

[tyron_woodley]

one of the best of all time. He is maybe past his prime or just going through a rough patch. At his best he is better than pujara and almost on par with smith plus kohli.

 

[Mamoon]

Root is a great batsman going through a lean period in his career. Comparisons with sidekicks like Pujara are stupid.

At his best, he is on par with Kohli and Smith.

He is entering his peak years as a batsman and ECB should not waste his potential by cluttering his mind with captaincy.

He has an excellent batting brain and let it work without hindrance.

 

[Mamoon]

Pujara is excellent but he never was and never will be comparable to Smith, Kohli and even Root.

He is actually on par with Williamson, who gets overrated because of his personality and because he plays for a neutral side that most people have a soft corner for.

An in-depth comparison of Root and Williamson clearly illustrates that Root is comfortably a better and more skilled batsman across conditions.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Pujara is excellent but he never was and never will be comparable to Smith, Kohli and even Root.

He is actually on par with Williamson, who gets overrated because of his personality and because he plays for a neutral side that most people have a soft corner for.

An in-depth comparison of Root and Williamson clearly illustrates that Root is comfortably a better and more skilled batsman across conditions.

nah root better than Kane comfortably. Kane is only good in n.z.

 

[therealAB]

one of the best of all time. He is maybe past his prime or just going through a rough patch. At his best he is better than pujara and almost on par with smith plus kohli.

One of the best of all time. Hyperbole of the highest order. Not a top 25 bat of all time
He is nowhere near Kohli, Smith in test cricket. Look at the ashes last year, he and smith were incomparable

 

[tyron_woodley]

One of the best of all time. Hyperbole of the highest order. Not a top 25 bat of all time
He is nowhere near Kohli, Smith in test cricket. Look at the ashes last year, he and smith were incomparable

he is one of the best ever English batsman of all time. top 3. Prime root is almost on par with kohli and smith. Root has performed well in india. One of the best ever.

You need to perform in india to be heralded as one of the greats. India is the toughest place to tour.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is in same league as Kane Williamson. Great batsmen across formats but not ATGs.

 

[James]

He is a good player but not a great one.

I still don’t rate him as highly as either Cook and KP.

It’s possible that he will have a late career renaissance, particularly if he is relieved of the captaincy.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is a good player but not a great one.

I still don’t rate him as highly as either Cook and KP.

It’s possible that he will have a late career renaissance, particularly if he is relieved of the captaincy.

Yeah! I can still see him ending with 13K+ runs @46-47 which will make him as good as Cook and KP.

 

[tyron_woodley]

He is a good player but not a great one.

I still don’t rate him as highly as either Cook and KP.

It’s possible that he will have a late career renaissance, particularly if he is relieved of the captaincy.

stats don't do KP justice. dude was one of the best ever Batsman I have ever seen. He is in my opinion above Williamson.

 

[therealAB]

he is one of the best ever English batsman of all time. top 3. Prime root is almost on par with kohli and smith. Root has performed well in india. One of the best ever.

You need to perform in india to be heralded as one of the greats. India is the toughest place to tour.

the other English greats, Gooch, Barrington, Kp etc all have great records in India, better than Joe50 tbh, who only has a single century. Hammond, May, Compton were all reputed players of spin, did well on the turners in England and would've done well in India

Great batsmen dominate series. The Root vs Kohli, Smith comparison has been laughable over the past few series between the teams. Great

The 'peak' arguemtn is equally laughable. Peak Root may be equal to Smith, Kohli at their lowest. Both of these players at their peaks are way, way greater than anything Joe50 can do.

If peaks can be used, can I say voges is a great bat as peak voges = bottom Sachin?

 

[Ab Fan]

The pitches that England got in their last tour to India were mostly flat with some assistance for spinners going ahead in the days. Kohli and Pujara hit bucketload of runs.

A good batsmen will very easily hit one century, that is nothing special to talk about. Kane, Smith, AB, Amla got much tougher wickets in contrast and Smithy shined up with three test hundreds.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

Needs to be relieved of captaincy duties.

Buttler Test captain, Stokes vice.

I think captaincy will have the opposite effect on Buttler and help him elevate his game, while Stokes has the perfect temperament for a vice captain but probably not for a captain.

Buttler can’t buy a Test run these days and you want him to captain? After Morgan he should captain in LOIs but Stokes should be Test captain

 

[tyron_woodley]

the other English greats, Gooch, Barrington, Kp etc all have great records in India, better than Joe50 tbh, who only has a single century. Hammond, May, Compton were all reputed players of spin, did well on the turners in England and would've done well in India

Great batsmen dominate series. The Root vs Kohli, Smith comparison has been laughable over the past few series between the teams. Great

The 'peak' arguemtn is equally laughable. Peak Root may be equal to Smith, Kohli at their lowest. Both of these players at their peaks are way, way greater than anything Joe50 can do.

If peaks can be used, can I say voges is a great bat as peak voges = bottom Sachin?

sorry, I don't care about Hammond and almonds from amateur era's. I don't like comparing past greats to modern ones. It's futile.

There was a period of time when root was almost untouchable. Bowlers had serious issues with him. He just wouldn't get out.

Pre captain root was on par with kohli and smith comfortably

 

[therealAB]

sorry, I don't care about Hammond and almonds from amateur era's. I don't like comparing past greats to modern ones. It's futile.

There was a period of time when root was almost untouchable. Bowlers had serious issues with him. He just wouldn't get out.

Pre captain root was on par with kohli and smith comfortably

Then don't say he is a top batsmen of all time, call him one of the best three English batsmen of the modern era. If you say all time, Hobbs, Hammond etc need to be factored into it
Root's peak wasn't as good of that of Smith, Kohli. Look at the ICC rankings. Root never did anything like Smith did home and away vs England, and away vs India. Bowlers have way, way more series issues with Smith - they can't get him out

 

[tyron_woodley]

Then don't say he is a top batsmen of all time, call him one of the best three English batsmen of the modern era. If you say all time, Hobbs, Hammond etc need to be factored into it
Root's peak wasn't as good of that of Smith, Kohli. Look at the ICC rankings. Root never did anything like Smith did home and away vs England, and away vs India. Bowlers have way, way more series issues with Smith - they can't get him out

smith is GOAT. best ever batsman of all time. Kohli is up there. Th a next 2 series between india and australia will determine who is the true GOAT.

Root though from what I have seen man is incredible at his best.

There was a time when he just woulndt get out. I rate him highly.

pujara is severly underrated in this forum too. I 100% believe root is better than Williamson and his peak level at his best is very close to kohli and smith. Only difference being smith and kohli can sustain their peak for longer hence they are the two best players of the modern era.

 

[therealAB]

smith is GOAT. best ever batsman of all time. Kohli is up there. Th a next 2 series between india and australia will determine who is the true GOAT.

Root though from what I have seen man is incredible at his best.

There was a time when he just woulndt get out. I rate him highly.

pujara is severly underrated in this forum too. I 100% believe root is better than Williamson and his peak level at his best is very close to kohli and smith. Only difference being smith and kohli can sustain their peak for longer hence they are the two best players of the modern era.

All the ATG bats have a period where they are amazing. Some that are not ATG's - Clarke, Hussey, Yousuf have peaks where they are dominant. The issue with Root is that not only was his peak not particularly special when compared to the other ATG's, even during his peak his conversion was poor, preventing him from having the same impact as other player's during their peaks. Only 11 hundreds in 49 tests between 2014 and 2017 is very poor for a brilliant peak - compare that to Clarke's 12 hundreds in 33 tests between 2011 and 2014 or Gooch's 11 hundreds in 34 tests between between 1990 and 1993, facing some of the best bowling of all time.

Neither of those players are considered ATG's, so in no world should Joe50 be considered one either

The point about Hammond, Hobbs etc still stands. Root cannot be called one of the top bats of all time if you discount them, only one of the top bats of the last 20 or so years.

 

[Slog]

He’s clearly a rung below Kohli and Smith but people doing comparisons with Pujara and Azhar (lol) are off their rockers...

 

[Slog]

I also think that a direct average comparison of English & South African batsmen with the rest of the worlds top batsmen is unfair. An equivalency would add atleast 2 runs to the average of English and South Africans.

KP has an average of 47.5 but he’s just about as good and arguably more impactful than any batsman of his era

 

[Ab Fan]

He’s clearly a rung below Kohli and Smith but people doing comparisons with Pujara and Azhar (lol) are off their rockers...

Pujara is a quality test batter. Those three centuries in Australia have ensured that he can never be mocked for his batting ability.

He has 18 Test hundreds in 77 tests compared to Root's 17 in 93 tests and at an average about 48.

Root is definitely an all-round all-format batsmen as he can adapt in ODIs and T20s.

 

[Slog]

Pujara is a quality test batter. Those three centuries in Australia have ensured that he can never be mocked for his batting ability.

He has 18 Test hundreds in 77 tests compared to Root's 17 in 93 tests and at an average about 48.

Root is definitely an all-round all-format batsmen as he can adapt in ODIs and T20s.

He is obviously a quality batter. But not on league of Root. You can be quality batter and not be on upper rungs

 

[Last Monetarist]

I don't even think Root is in the top 5 English batsmen of the last 40 years, as I'd have the following ahead of him:

Gooch
Gower
Pietersen
Cook
Thorpe

 

[tyron_woodley]

He is obviously a quality batter. But not on league of Root. You can be quality batter and not be on upper rungs

in Asian and bouncy conditions he is better than root actually. Root is better vs conventional swing and both are equal on flat wickets.

 

[tyron_woodley]

All the ATG bats have a period where they are amazing. Some that are not ATG's - Clarke, Hussey, Yousuf have peaks where they are dominant. The issue with Root is that not only was his peak not particularly special when compared to the other ATG's, even during his peak his conversion was poor, preventing him from having the same impact as other player's during their peaks. Only 11 hundreds in 49 tests between 2014 and 2017 is very poor for a brilliant peak - compare that to Clarke's 12 hundreds in 33 tests between 2011 and 2014 or Gooch's 11 hundreds in 34 tests between between 1990 and 1993, facing some of the best bowling of all time.

Neither of those players are considered ATG's, so in no world should Joe50 be considered one either

The point about Hammond, Hobbs etc still stands. Root cannot be called one of the top bats of all time if you discount them, only one of the top bats of the last 20 or so years.

he performed vs top teams (india and australia) at his peak.
facing best bowling in 1993? according to whom?

bowlers of current era are just as great if nmot greater. We don't know for sure.

Different era comparisons again. It's pointless to compare era's.
You play who is in front of you.

Root is one of the best of the modern era. Period.