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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Joe Root - following his career trajectory

Joe Root's Test batting average through his career:

10 Tests: 40.23
20 Tests: 45.63
30 Tests: 55.02
40 Tests: 54.06
50 Tests: 53.19
60 Tests: 53.76
70 Tests: 52.18
80 Tests: 49.51
90 Tests: 48.40
97 Tests: 47.99
 
Will he bounce back. Such a good player, I am quite sure he is going to score many many more runs.
 
He plays spin much better than seam.

Hope this knock Kickstart his form for the whole year
 
He is a brilliant batsman. His best is yet to come. He is youngest of the Fab Four.

Although I still believe captaincy is weighing him down. He is not going to be removed though - his batting has suffered but his captaincy is good and he has been producing positive results.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a brilliant batsman. His best is yet to come. He is youngest of the Fab Four.

Although I still believe captaincy is weighing him down. He is not going to be removed though - his batting has suffered but his captaincy is good and he has been producing positive results.
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You think he can surpass Sachin's run tally in Tests?
 
Mamoon said:
Don’t think so. He will probably not even reach Cook’s tally of 12,472 runs.

Will probably retire with around 11k runs.
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Interesting.

From the current/upcoming cricketers, I think Joe Root and Shubman Gill have the best chance of overtaking Sachin's tally in Tests.

Both England and India play the most Tests (alongside Australia) so it's gotta be someone from the Big 3. Root has played 97 Tests in 8 years for around 8K tests, meaning if he can play continuously for another 8 years (until he's 38), at this rate he'll reach around Sachin's games played and runs tally. But yeah easier said than done. He might just retire at around 34-35.

Gill is only 21 and has a long long road ahead of him but has it in him to get there.

From the Fab 4 though, only Root can possibly get there tbh.
 
Root is only 30 and he relies on solid technic to score his runs.
He is the only one from the fab 4 that will go on and play 150 tests due to his fitness and the amount of test cricket England play. He will also finish as England's highest run scorer ever and the highest run scorer of the fab 4.

The only thing is to know if he can rectify his hundred scoring problem and score more or as many hundreds as the other 3.
 
Mamoon said:
Don’t think so. He will probably not even reach Cook’s tally of 12,472 runs.

Will probably retire with around 11k runs.
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He is around 30 right now and could possibly go on to play till his late 30's with the fitness levels that he has especially when he is not playing T20's either. So could go past Cook as he has near 8k runs so far.
 
Square Drive said:
Interesting.

From the current/upcoming cricketers, I think Joe Root and Shubman Gill have the best chance of overtaking Sachin's tally in Tests.

Both England and India play the most Tests (alongside Australia) so it's gotta be someone from the Big 3. Root has played 97 Tests in 8 years for around 8K tests, meaning if he can play continuously for another 8 years (until he's 38), at this rate he'll reach around Sachin's games played and runs tally. But yeah easier said than done. He might just retire at around 34-35.

Gill is only 21 and has a long long road ahead of him but has it in him to get there.

From the Fab 4 though, only Root can possibly get there tbh.
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Gill can. He is an absolute diamond.

It is too late for Root I think, especially because of the slump that he has been in over the last 2-3 years. However, he has shown some good signs over the past 12 months. A double ton in New Zealand and could get a big one here as well.

English players generally don’t drag their careers too much. I highly doubt if he will play beyond 35.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill can. He is an absolute diamond.

It is too late for Root I think, especially because of the slump that he has been in over the last 2-3 years. However, he has shown some good signs over the past 12 months. A double ton in New Zealand and could get a big one here as well.

English players generally don’t drag their careers too much. I highly doubt if he will play beyond 35.
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Yah, I heard the same about Cook in years past, but English players just live for that one-off Australia series which they can hardly win anyway, after which they retire.
 
Mamoon said:
Don’t think so. He will probably not even reach Cook’s tally of 12,472 runs.

Will probably retire with around 11k runs.
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He is past 8000 already, and I think he has a good chance of getting 4000 more in five years as England play so many tests. Barring injury he has at least fifty more tests in him.
 
Oh my! He smashed 160+ in Asia after his bowlers knocked the host team all over at 135. This is a GOAT performance from one of the truly outstanding cricketers of the game.

Root is heading to become a legend. :salute
 
Ab Fan said:
Oh my! He smashed 160+ in Asia after his bowlers knocked the host team all over at 135. This is a GOAT performance from one of the truly outstanding cricketers of the game.

Root is heading to become a legend. :salute
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How on earth is this a GOAT performance?

Very good knock.

He smashed some really average bowlers.
 
Ab Fan said:
Oh my! He smashed 160+ in Asia after his bowlers knocked the host team all over at 135. This is a GOAT performance from one of the truly outstanding cricketers of the game.

Root is heading to become a legend. :salute
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Nope even his countryman Graham Thorpe played much better knocks in Asia that too against Saqlain and Murali.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
How on earth is this a GOAT performance?

Very good knock.

He smashed some really average bowlers.
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It must be sarcasm.

I watched this spinner Embuldeniya live in Karachi test and I would legit say he is the worst spinner I have ever seen play top level test cricket.
 
andy0204 said:
Nope even his countryman Graham Thorpe played much better knocks in Asia that too against Saqlain and Murali.
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Thorpey was key to Nasser's 1-2 win in SL, coming from behind to win the series. He nullified Murali for long periods, allowing England more time at the wicket to score competitive toals.

The big performances I can recall were Gatting in 1984 in India, and Cook in 2012.
 
Ab Fan said:
Oh my! He smashed 160+ in Asia after his bowlers knocked the host team all over at 135. This is a GOAT performance from one of the truly outstanding cricketers of the game.

Root is heading to become a legend. :salute
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sensible-indian-fan said:
How on earth is this a GOAT performance?

Very good knock.

He smashed some really average bowlers.
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Slog said:
It must be sarcasm.

I watched this spinner Embuldeniya live in Karachi test and I would legit say he is the worst spinner I have ever seen play top level test cricket.
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Damn you are right :))

Wow that's embarrassing.

Was wondering why would Ab Fan post something like that... It's so uncharacteristic of him.

What happened to SL...

I tried watching the highlights of this game but got bored to even finish that....
 
Root is a top class player. He really needs to be converting his starts into 100s now. Need to see more performances like this. Should get around 11k/12k test match runs.
 
Mamoon said:
Gill can. He is an absolute diamond.

It is too late for Root I think, especially because of the slump that he has been in over the last 2-3 years. However, he has shown some good signs over the past 12 months. A double ton in New Zealand and could get a big one here as well.

English players generally don’t drag their careers too much. I highly doubt if he will play beyond 35.
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He averaged 40 during that three-year "slump". Prior to that he was averaging 56. His average fell because he stopped converting fifties to centuries at his previous rate, converting only four out of fourteen fifties. So while his run-production has been down, he has still been doing a decent job for England.

He enters 2021 with a more selfish and ruthless mind-set, and he has Crawley above him to help take the pressure. He won't be coming in at 20-2 as often.
 
Robert said:
He averaged 40 during that three-year "slump". Prior to that he was averaging 56. His average fell because he stopped converting fifties to centuries at his previous rate, converting only four out of fourteen fifties. So while his run-production has been down, he has still been doing a decent job for England.

He enters 2021 with a more selfish and ruthless mind-set, and he has Crawley above him to help take the pressure. He won't be coming in at 20-2 as often.
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It says a lot about his caliber as a batsman. He hasn’t been poor in the last 3 years by any means, but he fell short of the standards he set for himself between 2013 and 2017.

Around 2016, he was neck and neck with Kohli as the best all-format batsman in the world. He was scoring heavily in Test cricket and chasing 220+ totals in T20I cricket while consistently piling up the runs in ODI cricket as well.

His ODI game is strong as ever and he will probably not play T20Is again, so I wonder if retiring from ODIs after the 2023 World Cup would be the right call to prolong his Test career and focus on getting back to his 2013-2017 standards.
 
Slog said:
It must be sarcasm.

I watched this spinner Embuldeniya live in Karachi test and I would legit say he is the worst spinner I have ever seen play top level test cricket.
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This is the first time I have watched him closely and he looks like a fine SLA to me. I am quite baffled by his Test stats so far. Some of the deliveries he bowled were excellent, particularly the one to Bairstow which would have made Herath proud.

I think he can be a good spinner on Asian tracks if he works with someone like Herath or Vettori. He has got the talent and the skill but needs some mental fine-tuning.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Damn you are right :))

Wow that's embarrassing.

Was wondering why would Ab Fan post something like that... It's so uncharacteristic of him.

What happened to SL...

I tried watching the highlights of this game but got bored to even finish that....
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Its a brilliant match winning double hundred from JR. He is a part of fab four but gets ridiculed the most, so deserves a bit of hype when he scores big hundreds.
 
Out for 228 Root - an innings of some unreal substance, away from home.
 
Robert said:
He averaged 40 during that three-year "slump". Prior to that he was averaging 56. His average fell because he stopped converting fifties to centuries at his previous rate, converting only four out of fourteen fifties. So while his run-production has been down, he has still been doing a decent job for England.

He enters 2021 with a more selfish and ruthless mind-set, and he has Crawley above him to help take the pressure. He won't be coming in at 20-2 as often.
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For ATG or top tier cricketer I would call 40s a slump

We are not talking about Sanga, Younis type "good" but not ATG level players
If you want root to go in the ATG list than averaging in your 40s is a slump imo
 
Ab Fan said:
Its a brilliant match winning double hundred from JR. He is a part of fab four but gets ridiculed the most, so deserves a bit of hype when he scores big hundreds.
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He is an English player he gets more than enough hype :danish
 
Magnificent innings. Perhaps the best English player of spin in my time. Ahead of the Three Gs and Thorpe.

More than half the runs in the England innings, showing that batting here is hard and the SL attack capable at home. They wilted before him. This is a massive performance from the skipper and I hope signals the start of a renaissance for him.
 
Bigboii said:
For ATG or top tier cricketer I would call 40s a slump

We are not talking about Sanga, Younis type "good" but not ATG level players
If you want root to go in the ATG list than averaging in your 40s is a slump imo
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Sanga was definitely an ATG
Root is nowhere near him. Let alone Sanga Root is inferior to Amla also.
 
A truly remarkable innings. 228 in Sl is a huge achievement. He just needs to continue turning more 50s to tons. Probably Khallis will sort his conversion rate. He has got a curious case. Struggles to get to a ton. And once there usually get daddy hundreds.
 
He will comfortably take 2nd position in that list, a while to go to beat Cook though.

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Smudger said:
A truly remarkable innings. 228 in Sl is a huge achievement. He just needs to continue turning more 50s to tons. Probably Khallis will sort his conversion rate. He has got a curious case. Struggles to get to a ton. And once there usually get daddy hundreds.
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Only since becoming skipper though. It’s probably a concentration issue. Instead of relaxing a bit on scoring 50, he must stay in the zone and keep going.
 
joe root 100 to 50 percentage ~ 37%, 150 to 100 percentage ~ 44%, 200 to 150 percentage = 50%.

his poor 50 to 100 record is a puzzle, once he actually gets through that stage he scores a high ratio of daddy hundreds.
 
Robert said:
Only since becoming skipper though. It’s probably a concentration issue. Instead of relaxing a bit on scoring 50, he must stay in the zone and keep going.
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Didn't he scored 226 in Newzealand as a captain?
 
Another potential match-winning innings in progress for Root - 67* in 2nd Test vs Sri Lanka
 
Seems to be hitting a purple patch of sorts! He’s just turned 30 and could well be approaching his prime.
 
If he gets out first ball tomorrow he averages 100 for the series.

Guy just scores so fast. Hard to believe any Englishman has played spin better, not even the Three Gs.
 
He's been batting well, but I'll hold off on the praise till he scores centuries in India.

Ed Smith's idiotic selections have burdened Root more than usual, and it'll be interesting to see if he can handle the pressure.
 
MenInG said:
Another potential match-winning innings in progress for Root - 67* in 2nd Test vs Sri Lanka
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Joe Root overtook Geoffrey Boycott's career Test runs as he kept England in contention in Sri Lanka.
 
Root in good touch is one of the most effortlessly fluent batsmen you will ever see. He races to 50-60 before anyone takes note.

He has been doing that in ODI cricket for years now.
 
Mamoon said:
No need of mocking Root when he is going through the leanest run of his career. He is a high class player and worthy of averaging 50+ which he will inevitably achieve again. All this talk of him declining is premature. His best years are still ahead of him but it is possible that captaincy is weighing him down.

As far as comparison with Smith is concerned, he is better in ODIs but Smith is probably the GOAT Test batsman.
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Your predictions are always spot on.
 
andy0204 said:
Didn't he scored 226 in Newzealand as a captain?
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He did. It's more a general observation about the fifty-and-out problem. But he seems to be more selfish as a batter now. His average as captain is up to 51, in excess of his average overall.

As [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] says he could be on the verge of his golden age.
 
King_Kohli said:
Your predictions are always spot on.
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This Aman fellow is almost always wrong, but this wasn’t much of a prediction - it is common sense.

Root is a brilliant batsman and no brilliant batsmen has ever declined at his age. There are question marks over the impact captaincy pressure has had on his batting and there is still room for skepticism on that front in spite of his sterling show in Sri Lanka, but there is no doubt that he has a lot left in the tank and the last 2-3 years do not define him as a batsman.

It will be interesting to see how he fares in India this time around. He played very, very well in 2016 but could not go big after the first Test in spite of getting starts almost every time.

The absence of Jadeja is good news for him. He is a bigger threat for him than Ashwin.
 
Mamoon said:
This Aman fellow is almost always wrong, but this wasn’t much of a prediction - it is common sense.

Root is a brilliant batsman and no brilliant batsmen has ever declined at his age. There are question marks over the impact captaincy pressure has had on his batting and there is still room for skepticism on that front in spite of his sterling show in Sri Lanka, but there is no doubt that he has a lot left in the tank and the last 2-3 years do not define him as a batsman.

It will be interesting to see how he fares in India this time around. He played very, very well in 2016 but could not go big after the first Test in spite of getting starts almost every time.

The absence of Jadeja is good news for him. He is a bigger threat for him than Ashwin.
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What makes Jadeja more dangerous than Ashwin?

Every time he is given the ball overseas, he picks up wickets while Ashwin creates pressure, but gets no wickets at all.
 
Ton up again.

Just 139 balls for this one.

Another vitally important and beautifully played captain’s innings, leading by example.
 
Great batsman, proving it again.
And what a knock, with players around him failing. If he didn't stay this match would have been a lost cause for England. He is keeping them in it.
 
Root gets to his 19th Test ton! What a player.
 
And people had the gall to take him out of the fab4 and force Babar in somehow after one one lean patch for the latter and one purple patch for the former.

And now he's on his way to become England's greatest ever. :root
 
Mesozoic said:
And people had the gall to take him out of the fab4 and force Babar in somehow after one one lean patch for the latter and one purple patch for the former.

And now he's on his way to become England's greatest ever. :root
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That was one ridiculous thing to do.
Root is such a wonderful batsman. I will be surprised if he isn't the top run getter of the fab 4 at the end of their test careers.
 
Mobashir said:
That was one ridiculous thing to do.
Root is such a wonderful batsman. I will be surprised if he isn't the top run getter of the fab 4 at the end of their test careers.
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Well it helps that his team plays more Tests per year than others and also the fact that he's two years younger than VK and SS. But yeah. Have to credit him a lot as he plays 60% of his Tests on "sporting" English wickets.
 
Form is temporary, class is permanent. Now averaging 52 away.
 
England have never lost a test in which root has scored a century which implies that even if root dosent get centuries as often as the other fab 4 members, when he does he usally makes them count.
 
MHN1293 said:
England have never lost a test in which root has scored a century which implies that even if root dosent get centuries as often as the other fab 4 members, when he does he usally makes them count.
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No, it shows that a lot of these runs in wins/losses stats are useless and applied and interpreted in the wrong way.

Root has plenty of 70s and 80s in losing causes, and 20-30 extra runs in the context of those matches would have not impacted the outcome.

Smith and Kohli are better than Root, but Root is better than Williamson.
 
Mamoon said:
No, it shows that a lot of these runs in wins/losses stats are useless and applied and interpreted in the wrong way.

Root has plenty of 70s and 80s in losing causes, and 20-30 extra runs in the context of those matches would have not impacted the outcome.

Smith and Kohli are better than Root, but Root is better than Williamson.
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I just read that Root has the best away average of the four. Not sure if true.
 
MenInG said:
Joe Root overtook Geoffrey Boycott's career Test runs as he kept England in contention in Sri Lanka.
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He has gone past Pietersen too now. Only Cook, Stewart, Gooch and Gower ahead now.
 
Mamoon said:
No, it shows that a lot of these runs in wins/losses stats are useless and applied and interpreted in the wrong way.

Root has plenty of 70s and 80s in losing causes, and 20-30 extra runs in the context of those matches would have not impacted the outcome.

Smith and Kohli are better than Root, but Root is better than Williamson.
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Smith and kohli are better than root i agree because they are more consistent with their runs and centuries. But i never stated root as better than them. Also when he gets a hundred his average score is 165 significantly better than kohlis 150 so yes 70 to 80 runs do make a difference.
 
Average inching back up to 50 now.

49.68 as I type, and he's batting on 145*.
 
150 up.... more than 50% of the team’s runs again.

Remarkable.
 
Class act. Leading from the front.

Babar needs to score these daddy hundreds if he wants to be known amongst the best Test batsmen, not pretty 60s and 70s.
 
I wish Pakistan had a few such declining batsmen to select.

Great player, superb temperament.
 
MenInG said:
Joe Root's Test batting average through his career:

10 Tests: 40.23
20 Tests: 45.63
30 Tests: 55.02
40 Tests: 54.06
50 Tests: 53.19
60 Tests: 53.76
70 Tests: 52.18
80 Tests: 49.51
90 Tests: 48.40
97 Tests: 47.99
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99 tests: 49.92
 
Two truly magnificent innings', possibly Root's two greatest
His dominance so far this series has been up there with the greatest away series - Viv, Waugh, Dravid, Smith from what I can remember atm
Completely standing apart from the other batsmen
A shame only the two tests
 
When he scores, he scores big. Looks like he is batting on a completely different wicket to all 21 other players on the field. What a player. More importantly the focus will switch to replicating such scores in India next month
 
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