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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Mohammad Amir - a failed career?

So Amir being allowed to train/use NCA facilities it seems

As per his YT remarks

"If someone creates a security issue even in Pakistan, the ICC team was here four days ago; I was also there at the National Cricket Academy. PCB provided them with such hospitality,"
 
A failed career definitely.

He could've had 400 Test wickets by now. But, threw it away and never truly recovered.
 
Mohammad Amir, during a Q&A session:

Top 3 batters: "Virat [Kohli], Babar is my favourite apart from T20s. He is my favourite in Tests and ODIs. Finally, Shubman Gill, as I feel he will be the next big thing for India in future, if he maintain his current form,"

Top 3 bowlers: "[Trent] Boult, he is number one for me, then Naseem Shah. These are bowlers, who I feel are complete bowlers and can play all formats. And third would be Mitchell Starc,"


"Pakistan will be in top four (in World Cup 2023) and you can't write them off in Asian conditions,"
 
MenInG said:
Mohammad Amir, during a Q&A session:

Top 3 batters: "Virat [Kohli], Babar is my favourite apart from T20s. He is my favourite in Tests and ODIs. Finally, Shubman Gill, as I feel he will be the next big thing for India in future, if he maintain his current form,"

Top 3 bowlers: "[Trent] Boult, he is number one for me, then Naseem Shah. These are bowlers, who I feel are complete bowlers and can play all formats. And third would be Mitchell Starc,"


"Pakistan will be in top four (in World Cup 2023) and you can't write them off in Asian conditions,"
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Doesn't seem to be a fan of Shaheen.
 
Amir’s legacy is on par with Munaf Patel and Irfan Pathan at best
 
Rana said:
And Shaheen’s?

On Par with Mathew Wade’s ramps to the stands?
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His career is not done yet though is it and at least use a bowler for comparison you jobber :)) Amir is finished anyway.

Why you upset, am being kind, Irfan is also a double champion is he not?
 
shaz619 said:
His career is not done yet though is it and at least use a bowler for comparison you jobber :)) Amir is finished anyway.

Why you upset, am being kind, Irfan is also a double champion is he not?
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You don’t need to be kind. Amir’s two ICC medals which he won for his side plus the respect he has earned by Kohli and Smith in this era is legit. Your kindness can be worth Zulqarnain Haider’s claims to win the World Cup for Pakistan
 
Rana said:
You don’t need to be kind. Amir’s two ICC medals which he won for his side plus the respect he has earned by Kohli and Smith in this era is legit. Your kindness can be worth Zulqarnain Haider’s claims to win the World Cup for Pakistan
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And your affections must supersede that praise from some of his peers and two ICC medals I gotcha, why you so upset with the comparison with Irfan :(
 
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shaz619 said:
And your affections must supersede that praise from some of his peers and two ICC medals I gotcha, why you so upset with the comparison with Irfan :(
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Irfan is a better and more accomplished white ball cricketer than Shaheen is so no issues
 
Rana said:
Why? Because he won Pakistan two ICC trophies?
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He wasn't even the second best bowler in both of those tournaments Hassan Ali, Junaid Khan and Gul, Ajmal, Afridi were better bowlers in the respective tournaments. What funny is that the same guy says "Babar doesn't win you games single handedly" and then comes up saying that Amir has won you this, amir has won you that. :D
Amir has won us insults worldwide and nothing else, period.
 
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Lots of promise but when you are retired, you are assessed based on your output and not on promise.
 
Needless to say the 5 years out and the toll of spot fixing took something away both from his longevity and also his desire.

But he could still turn it on like the 2017 CT Final.

My biggest disappointment with his was his lack of ambition post 2017. He was happy to play it safe and turn in to a white ball specialist and even in that capacity he more of a variety bowler than a pace bowler. I hate the image of his late international career which was littered with slower balls.
 
3 games, 6 wickets for Amir so far in CPL 2023.

 
topspin said:
As mentioned by Mamoon, it can't be a failed career when you've won Pakistan 2 x ICC tournaments.

A good example of a failed career would be Misbah with his 2011 Mohali show.
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If trophies are the yardstick, Misbah did lead us to the test mace, however shortlived it was. He captained the side and he navigated us through a perilous time with honor and helped regain our dignity after the fiasco under Butt which Amir was a part of.

Failed careers would be someone like Sami, Wahab maybe, etc. Amir still has the career most internationals these days are now shooting for. But for the national team, he definitely underachieved at the end of the day.
 
Barbados Royals vs Jamaica Tallawahs, 14th Match

Mohammad Amir 0/23 in 4 overs

Decent in terms of run saving but no wickets and team lost as well
 
I have seen this thread and passed it by because still to this day I feel sorrow for what could have been...yet often ask myself is that fair and was it ever fair for Amir?

Muhammad Amir was the first true bright spot in Pakistan's pace bowling resurgence. The 2 Ws were gone, Akhtar was fats but also on his way out and never as great as the others. Asif was a gem but lacked the quality Pakistanis love the most...speed yar!

Along came Amir and everyone could dream again. Just a gangly 17 year old with a whip like action and that pace...pace is pace as we love saying. Yet he was also accurate, he could swing and he troubled the great Ponting...like a great young fighter meeting an older sage. Everyone dreamed again but the spot fixing saga, imo very badly handled by the PCB and the Pakistani establishment...but I digress as that is an entirely different discussion. 5 years away from the game, a fair amount of time in juvenile, locked away like some asbo baby ended the dream.

When Amir returned he was never the same yet we all expected him to be. That was unfair. Even then he was key to winning the 2017 Champion's Trophy, oh and how could we forget his wickets in England during that now well remembered series, one of the bets played between the two nations in recent times. Amir was there again, front and centre, part of Pakistan's only Test No. 1 side.

Even then we wanted more while he just wanted to live his life his way. He wanted to maximise his earning potential and he wasn't going to get that by playing 5 tests a year. Maybe he didn't want to work for it, to sharpen his skills...maybe he was happy where he was. A t20 specialist without a home. Why should we dare ask for more.

Pakistan as a team moved on too...Shaheen is a genuinely top tier bowler already, Naseem Shah is headed that way, the reserves of Wasim Jr, Haris Rauf et al look promising. The PSL has thrown up fast bowling stars almost every season, even if they haven't progressed beyond.

Amir has not had a failed career...he has won two ICC trophies, the only two Pakistan have won post 1992. He was also a key part of Pakistan's test rise in England. If any other cricket, in any other country had done this, he would be feted. In Pakistan he is just not good enough. That is because we as fans dreamed too big.
 
i think Amir himself went on a self destruction mode.. he was on his prime when he took retirement. He must have shown some patience to get his chance again.
 
owenhcricket said:
I have seen this thread and passed it by because still to this day I feel sorrow for what could have been...yet often ask myself is that fair and was it ever fair for Amir?

Muhammad Amir was the first true bright spot in Pakistan's pace bowling resurgence. The 2 Ws were gone, Akhtar was fats but also on his way out and never as great as the others. Asif was a gem but lacked the quality Pakistanis love the most...speed yar!

Along came Amir and everyone could dream again. Just a gangly 17 year old with a whip like action and that pace...pace is pace as we love saying. Yet he was also accurate, he could swing and he troubled the great Ponting...like a great young fighter meeting an older sage. Everyone dreamed again but the spot fixing saga, imo very badly handled by the PCB and the Pakistani establishment...but I digress as that is an entirely different discussion. 5 years away from the game, a fair amount of time in juvenile, locked away like some asbo baby ended the dream.

When Amir returned he was never the same yet we all expected him to be. That was unfair. Even then he was key to winning the 2017 Champion's Trophy, oh and how could we forget his wickets in England during that now well remembered series, one of the bets played between the two nations in recent times. Amir was there again, front and centre, part of Pakistan's only Test No. 1 side.

Even then we wanted more while he just wanted to live his life his way. He wanted to maximise his earning potential and he wasn't going to get that by playing 5 tests a year. Maybe he didn't want to work for it, to sharpen his skills...maybe he was happy where he was. A t20 specialist without a home. Why should we dare ask for more.

Pakistan as a team moved on too...Shaheen is a genuinely top tier bowler already, Naseem Shah is headed that way, the reserves of Wasim Jr, Haris Rauf et al look promising. The PSL has thrown up fast bowling stars almost every season, even if they haven't progressed beyond.

Amir has not had a failed career...he has won two ICC trophies, the only two Pakistan have won post 1992. He was also a key part of Pakistan's test rise in England. If any other cricket, in any other country had done this, he would be feted. In Pakistan he is just not good enough. That is because we as fans dreamed too big.
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Very well said.

When I first came across this thread, my instinctive reaction was, Yes, he had a failed career. He was a revelation when he started, got disgraced for match fixing. He had a chance to redeem himself, but he was not the same after. And indeed, his stats reflect this sad reality, as shown below:

FormatBefore Spot-fixing banAfter Spot-fixing ban
T20s19.8 (25 matches)27.67 (10 matches)
ODIs22.2 (31 matches)38.26 (10 matches)

But there are some things that statistics don't reveal. As you rightly point out, he was pivotal in winning us the ICC Champions Trophy after his 5 year ban. And to me, that is poetic and overwhelmingly redeeming.

So certainly NOT a failed career.
 
Asad T said:
Very well said.

When I first came across this thread, my instinctive reaction was, Yes, he had a failed career. He was a revelation when he started, got disgraced for match fixing. He had a chance to redeem himself, but he was not the same after. And indeed, his stats reflect this sad reality, as shown below:

FormatBefore Spot-fixing banAfter Spot-fixing ban
T20s19.8 (25 matches)27.67 (10 matches)
ODIs22.2 (31 matches)38.26 (10 matches)

But there are some things that statistics don't reveal. As you rightly point out, he was pivotal in winning us the ICC Champions Trophy after his 5 year ban. And to me, that is poetic and overwhelmingly redeeming.

So certainly NOT a failed career.
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We won Ct due to Hassan Ali
 
Amir’s wicket of 2017 Kohli, 2017 Rohit and 2017 Dhawan are worth more than all of Shaheen and Rauf’s wickets…

These are FACTS not opinion!
 
msb314 said:
Amir’s wicket of 2017 Kohli, 2017 Rohit and 2017 Dhawan are worth more than all of Shaheen and Rauf’s wickets…

These are FACTS not opinion!
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Aamir achieved that during one game which was 6 years ago.

Both Shaheen and Rauf have the chance to do the same or even better numerous of times in the upcoming years.

Now that is a fact not an opinion!
 
Sad career in the end.

After he resumed post spot fixing ban he looked like he lost the spark. A bit dejected and understandably so. Having such high and lows at such a young age is bound to mess with your head and he hasn't fully recovered. Always comes across as very bitter in the media.

Glad he's not playing, but part of me does feel sorry for him and what could have been was he under the right influence at the right time.

 
Amir would have definitely loved to be involved in these matches and the upcoming high pressure wc.
Sadly, he was the one who chose to step away.
 
Man.... I wanna slap the person who gives Aamir advice . Who TF retires and throws a tantrum. Guy had talent but got too cocky and started thinking himself gods gift to cricket. I fell bad for him now but the one person that i really feel bad for is Asif . nasha woh kerta tha aur jhoomti ball thi
 
Jamaica Tallawahs vs Trinbago Knight Riders - CPL 2023 (17th Match)

Muhammad Amir displayed a stunning bowling performance in the 17th match of CPL 2023, playing for the Jamaica Tallawahs against the Trinbago Knight Riders. In his impactful 4-over spell, Amir took 3 crucial wickets while conceding only 20 runs, including a maiden over. His early breakthroughs and economical bowling were instrumental in the Tallawahs' success, and his contributions played a vital role in securing a significant victory for his team.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1698365079589155069
 
Of course it is. The most talented fast bowler we’ve produced since Akram and he threw it away for a quick buck.
 
Failed tainted whatever you call him, deep down Amir definitely will had that regret, that was a trauma and it is very difficult to get of these kind of situations even if you come out life is changed 360C,

Shame Amir we must pity on Amir he was a diamond thrown away by Salman Butt, Alas! PcB never punished Butt according to severity of his crime, he robbed Pakistan cricket , International cricket, sponsors and fans and no. Of Vloggers social media business
 
He has accepted his time is over for Pakistan. In the Geo show he was asked if he would ever take back his retirement and he replied Pakistan has plenty of young upcoming promising bowlers
 
Savak said:
He has accepted his time is over for Pakistan. In the Geo show he was asked if he would ever take back his retirement and he replied Pakistan has plenty of young upcoming promising bowlers
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Pakistan doesn't need him.
 
Mohammad Amir was phenomenal for the New York Strikers in the Abu Dhabi T10 League 2023 against Delhi Bulls he took 1 wicket and conceded 5 runs. He only bowled 1 over. Resulting New York Strikers win by 67 runs.

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Mohammad Amir bowled an impressive spell in the Abu Dhabi T10 league tonight.

He couldn't take any wickets but he bowled 2 economical overs in which he gave only 8 runs.
 
Still the best white ball bowler in Pakistan I recon. Retired or active
 
He doesn't have the passion to play international cricket. Doesn't want the grind. He is making more money from playing random leagues than he would have made from international cricket.

His ambition was always easy money.

Hopefully PCB learns from its mistakes and doesn't facilitate players who will not put country before leagues most of the time.
 
cricketjoshila said:
He doesn't have the passion to play international cricket. Doesn't want the grind. He is making more money from playing random leagues than he would have made from international cricket.

His ambition was always easy money.

Hopefully PCB learns from its mistakes and doesn't facilitate players who will not put country before leagues most of the time.
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Sadly that requires having a big wallet. The PCB cannot afford to offer the Big 3 compensation to force loyalty towards the country.
 
hitthestump said:
Shaheen is the man who made people forget that Amir is even relevant. No surprise to see that Amir is bitter about it.
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Oh how well this has aged

Amir even right now is a better bowler than Shaheen.
 
MenInG said:
Big expectations from Amir at the ILT20.
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Reputations like this are built when the real kings of batting openly state that Amir is the most difficult bowler they have faced.

Kohli
Smith

They salute Amir.
 
Rana said:
Reputations like this are built when the real kings of batting openly state that Amir is the most difficult bowler they have faced.

Kohli
Smith

They salute Amir.
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Yes but that is history.

We are talking about now.
 
hitthestump said:
Shaheen is the man who made people forget that Amir is even relevant. No surprise to see that Amir is bitter about it.
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I’m a fan of Shaheen’s bowling but let’s see how many ICC tournaments he wins for Pakistan before posting such hyperbole.
 
topspin said:
I’m a fan of Shaheen’s bowling but let’s see how many ICC tournaments he wins for Pakistan before posting such hyperbole.
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Cricket is well known for being an individual sport after all.

In any case the fact remains. Amir is an active cricketer yet his activities mean zilch for the country.

Shaheen misses one test match. What happened? The whole of cricket had a mini meltdown.

No-one is asking for Amir's return, nobody misses him, nobody wants him.

Amir is currently a nobody.

Shaheen is currently a captain.

Amir is finished. Good riddance.
 
hitthestump said:
No-one is asking for Amir's return, nobody misses him, nobody wants him.
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Well that’s clearly a lie isn’t it?

www.sportskeeda.com

"I personally called Mohammad Amir" - Mohammad Hafeez says pacer has "moved on" from international cricket

Pakistan men's new director Mohammad Hafeez has stated that he offered Mohammad Amir to take back his international retirement and fight for selection again by playing domestic cricket but the pacer d
www.sportskeeda.com www.sportskeeda.com

Why is your director of cricket calling him to return? Making a habit of chatting nonsense are we?
 
MenInG said:
Yes but that is history.

We are talking about now.
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Right now,

Platinum category for QG. Big signing for desert vipers (big money there too). Big money in CPL. British Passport soon, IPL loading as well.
 
Rana said:
Right now,

Platinum category for QG. Big signing for desert vipers (big money there too). Big money in CPL. British Passport soon, IPL loading as well.
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Do you think he would get picked in the IPL if he gets a UK passport?
 
Asad T said:
Do you think he would get picked in the IPL if he gets a UK passport?
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-Left arm seamer (sought after in T20 generally)
-Good performances against big name Indian batsmen
-Thoroughly experienced T20 bowler around the world.
-Good star/brand reputation too (marketable)

See no reason why he won’t get picked up. He will be 33-34 but he can still play 2-3 seasons
 
Rana said:
-Left arm seamer (sought after in T20 generally)
-Good performances against big name Indian batsmen
-Thoroughly experienced T20 bowler around the world.
-Good star/brand reputation too (marketable)

See no reason why he won’t get picked up. He will be 33-34 but he can still play 2-3 seasons
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Yeah true especially very markitable.

But I also mean, from a pollitical standpoint, do you think IPL teams would pick him? He might have changed his passport, but he is still, after all, Pakistani.
 
Asad T said:
Yeah true especially very markitable.

But I also mean, from a pollitical standpoint, do you think IPL teams would pick him? He might have changed his passport, but he is still, after all, Pakistani.
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Punjab didn’t waste time signing Azhar Mahmood when he got his British passport. That was a long time ago but even now, it’s not like Amir is seen as a patriotic Pakistani who would be hated in India.

He’s an outcast Pakistani. Same as Imad. They won’t really care. I guess Mumbai Indians may not want anything to do with him, but Delhi, Bangalore, Chennai, Punjab…these franchises wouldn’t mind him I recon.
 
hitthestump said:
Cricket is well known for being an individual sport after all.

In any case the fact remains. Amir is an active cricketer yet his activities mean zilch for the country.
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Amir won Pakistan 2 x ICC white ball tournaments so that's not true.

hitthestump said:
Shaheen misses one test match. What happened? The whole of cricket had a mini meltdown.
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There was a far bigger meltdown when Pakistan missed Amir due to his spot fixing. I believe Pakistan would have won the 2011 World Cup had he been available.

hitthestump said:
No-one is asking for Amir's return, nobody misses him, nobody wants him.

Amir is currently a nobody.

Shaheen is currently a captain.

Amir is finished. Good riddance.
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Amir might well be finished at International level but Shaheen has a long way to go in white ball cricket before he can match his achievements on the big stage.
 
topspin said:
Amir might well be finished at International level but Shaheen has a long way to go in white ball cricket before he can match his achievements on the big stage.
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Amir took apart India's top order in the CT final. At his peak he was truly world class and it's a great loss for the game we didn't get to see more of him.
 
I've always wondered this why has no BBL team ever selected Amir. Heck even Usman Shinwari and Dilbar Hussain played the BBL.
 
Sher Khan said:
I've always wondered this why has no BBL team ever selected Amir. Heck even Usman Shinwari and Dilbar Hussain played the BBL.
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Once in 2015. he was in line to play for the Thunders but they did not sign him because He recently got off that spot-fixing scandal and they signed Kallis instead of him due to that controversy.
 
Now a seasoned league cricketer, Mohammad Amir is in action today for Desert Vipers in ILT20 2024.
 
Got smacked by Gambir in the Master series. He is old now, will not last in international cricket. Should stick playing leagues.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Now a seasoned league cricketer, Mohammad Amir is in action today for Desert Vipers in ILT20 2024.
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Mohammad Amir remained wicketless with figures of 0/35 in 4 overs for Desert Vipers,The Riders secured victory by 6 wickets against the Vipers.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohammad Amir remained wicketless with figures of 0/35 in 4 overs for Desert Vipers,The Riders secured victory by 6 wickets against the Vipers.
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Still way better than the usual scores of Haris Rauf in most matches. Amir should have been kept his patience... I am sure he must have been called back again to play for Pakistan.
 
Mohammad Amir took only 1 wicket for 27 runs in 4 overs for Desert Vipers against Gulf Giants in ILT20. During the Powerplay, he was very economical, but in the death overs, things didn't go in his favor.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Mohammad Amir took only 1 wicket for 27 runs in 4 overs for Desert Vipers against Gulf Giants in ILT20. During the Powerplay, he was very economical, but in the death overs, things didn't go in his favor.
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He's way past it even in these low level leagues.
 
Gullycricket said:
He's way past it even in these low level leagues. But but Rana from Haryana can't see it
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If he’s past it, then what does that make the pace bowlers of Pakistan?

Don’t try to argue they are all better than him, you have to answer to God too.
 
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It's a reality that the current crop of bowlers are inferior to Amir. None of them have any skills or aggression.
 
Rana said:
If he’s past it, then what does that make the cr@p pace bowlers of Pakistan?

Don’t try to argue they are all better than him, you have to answer to God too.
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Wait for this year's PSL. You will get the answer when all of them play in the same league. If you put Rauf or Wasim Jr in these low quality leagues they would do far better than fixer.
 
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Gullycricket said:
Wait for this year's PSL. You will get the answer when all of them play in the same league. If you put Rauf whose cheerleader you were earlier or Wasim Jr in these low quality leagues they would do far better than fixer ko sixer
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What do you mean getting an answer in PSL? That’s another poor response isn’t it? How do you get signed in Platinum if you are rubbish? And the fixer got Babar Azam out for a duck in Rawalpindi last time, how rubbish is Babar if that’s the case??

Do you even have an idea of all the big names in cricket who have fallen to Amir? He as a bowler has achieved 10 times more than the entire current Pakistan team has in their own rights as professional cricketers
 
Rana said:
What do you mean getting an answer in PSL? That’s another poor response isn’t it? How do you get signed in Platinum if you are rubbish? And the fixer got Babar Azam out for a duck in Rawalpindi last time, how rubbish is Babar if that’s the case??

Do you even have an idea of all the big names in cricket who have fallen to Amir? He as a bowler has achieved 10 times more than the entire current Pakistan team has in their own rights as professional cricketers
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He can't rest on his laurels. On current form he is no better than any of the present bowlers. Shaheen has also taken out many big names so what. You have to do it consistently day in and day out. Not sell out your country twice.
I mentioned PSL as you will see current Amir is no better than Rauf or Wasim Jr. Better to invest in Ihsanullah, Abbas Afridi etc
 
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