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[PICTURES/VIDEOS] Physical fitness camp in Kakul, attended by 29 Pakistani players comes to an end [Update at Post#228]

How many of them are going to pass this assessment test?

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Pak cricketers undergo fitness assessment in Kakul

The fitness camp for the national cricket team’s probables has started at the Kakul PT School (Abbottabad) under the watchful eyes of Army’s physical instructors with three leading players likely to report on Wednesday.

Babar Azam, Naseem Shah, and Iftikhar Ahmed, who performed Umrah just recently, are expected to return today (Wednesday).‘They are likely to join the physical training camp, straight on their return from Saudi Arabia. Most probably the three would be with the other members of the team on Wednesday,’ one of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials told

The opening day (Tuesday) was more focused on assessment of the cricketers with all going through the required procedures set forth by the trainers.

‘The assessment of each cricketer was conducted to know his basic physical fitness standards. This is the normal procedure before going ahead with the training. Some cricketers may be fit enough to come through rigorous training head high while others required to make extra efforts to catch up with the best.’

The official added that the camp that will continue till April 8 has nothing to do with cricketing or technical aspects. ‘The trainers mostly from PT School Abbottabad will focus on helping the players to get fit and ready for the heavy international schedule coming up.’

It is believed that the trainers will focus on improving the stamina of players so that they could be in a position to perform consistently throughout their stay on the field.

Sports has gone professional with cricket not far behind. ‘To maintain a relatively high standards of fitness there is a dire need to work on the fitness of these probables for national team so that they could stay fit and focus to fulfill technical requirements of the game. A fit player can perform to his abilities on the field, in bowling, and even in batting,’ the official added.

SOURCE:The News International
 
BouncerGuy said:
How many of them are going to pass this assessment test?

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Pak cricketers undergo fitness assessment in Kakul

The fitness camp for the national cricket team’s probables has started at the Kakul PT School (Abbottabad) under the watchful eyes of Army’s physical instructors with three leading players likely to report on Wednesday.

Babar Azam, Naseem Shah, and Iftikhar Ahmed, who performed Umrah just recently, are expected to return today (Wednesday).‘They are likely to join the physical training camp, straight on their return from Saudi Arabia. Most probably the three would be with the other members of the team on Wednesday,’ one of the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) officials told

The opening day (Tuesday) was more focused on assessment of the cricketers with all going through the required procedures set forth by the trainers.

‘The assessment of each cricketer was conducted to know his basic physical fitness standards. This is the normal procedure before going ahead with the training. Some cricketers may be fit enough to come through rigorous training head high while others required to make extra efforts to catch up with the best.’

The official added that the camp that will continue till April 8 has nothing to do with cricketing or technical aspects. ‘The trainers mostly from PT School Abbottabad will focus on helping the players to get fit and ready for the heavy international schedule coming up.’

It is believed that the trainers will focus on improving the stamina of players so that they could be in a position to perform consistently throughout their stay on the field.

Sports has gone professional with cricket not far behind. ‘To maintain a relatively high standards of fitness there is a dire need to work on the fitness of these probables for national team so that they could stay fit and focus to fulfill technical requirements of the game. A fit player can perform to his abilities on the field, in bowling, and even in batting,’ the official added.

SOURCE:The News International
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Who in their right mind would hold a fitness assessment in month of ramadan we are dealing with humans here or do they don't fast can pcb not find another month.
 
Apparently Irfan Khan Niazi recorded 2km run at 6 and a half minutes.

2nd place was Rizwan at 8 minutes something.


Niazi is a serious athlete
 
As per reports:

Day 3 Kakul Camp: 2km Test results

Irfan Khan Niazi: Just below 7 minutes (Fastest)

Naseem Shah, Mohammad Rizwan, Fakhar Zaman, Mohammad Haris, and Haseebullah Khan: Just below 8:30 minutes

Mohammad Amir: 9:30 minutes

Mohammad Nawaz and Shadab Khan: 10 minutes
 
During the fitness camp at the Army School of Physical Training (ASPT) in Kakul, Pakistani players participate in training sessions and gym workouts.

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What's the point of finding out things we already know?

We know Azam has fitness issues, as does Imad with his knee

By putting these people under physical stress

1. Will demotivate them
2. May worsen their injuries
 
MenInG said:
What's the point of finding out things we already know?

We know Azam has fitness issues, as does Imad with his knee

By putting these people under physical stress

1. Will demotivate them
2. May worsen their injuries
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If Azam Khan is going to be demotivated by running 1.5 km in 20 mins, how is he going to field?

Better question, why is he in the team?
 
Muhammad Saad said:
A normal guy when jogs can get to 1km in 7 minutes so for an athlete it’s normal that he can do 2km , nothing special
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Yes but you gotta remember that the 2nd place is rizwan who did it in 8mins.

Our players aren't fit, that's why their doing this fitness camp, the cake videos made them gain weight.

If Niazi is doing 2km in 6mins, that means he's running decently fast for 6 mins straight. That's still very very impressive.

But obviously by Olympic standards or Usain bolts standards its not impressive at all, its not even impressive for ab de devillers standards.
 
daytrader said:
Because he can hit and has power. We lack hitters Dr. Sahib
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None of that matters if he averages 4 away from home in international cricket and any quality bowler will just get him out first or 2nd delivery.

You have a batter who can't bat, a fielder( assuming rizwan is first choice keeper) who can't field, a keeper who can't properly keep as he can't dive as effectively as rizwan can.

I don't like rizwan, but you need to give rizwan credit, he's the 2nd fittest member in the entire 29 camp, Rizwan has always been fit, even when our team was stuffing themselves with cakes and getting dad bods, Rizwan was the only one who's fitness remained in tact and for that he has my respect.

Azam doesn't deserve to keep over rizwan by any means especially when rizwan is a superior keeper to even someone like haris, who himself is 1000x the keeper azam is.

That means since rizzu is first choice, he'll have to play as a fielder, in which case you'll have a fielder who can't field as he can't run, since a 20 minute walk would tire him, him running after the ball to prevent the boundary would be comedy gold.
 
I don't see the point of this!

I want to see the them work on their power game and building muscles.

The bowlers will benefit, but not many Test caliber bowlers picked anyway.
 
Barragan said:
I don't see the point of this!

I want to see the them work on their power game and building muscles.

The bowlers will benefit, but not many Test caliber bowlers picked anyway.
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It's army training, they will build muscles.

Today was cardio day, they will ve going through more days of strength training as well
 
These players have been around a long time and have been through this army camp, fitness camp before. Its not like they didn't know the current modern fitness, nutrition requirements. The real question is why don't the players have the discipline, dedication like Kohli to look after themselves on their own devices without needing anyone elses supervision?
 
What is the purpose of training in Ramadan at Kakul, in pics i see all players are lazy and lethargic
 
zahid01 said:
Who in their right mind would hold a fitness assessment in month of ramadan we are dealing with humans here or do they don't fast can pcb not find another month.
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I agree it's a stupid idea to hold it in ramadan.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
A normal guy when jogs can get to 1km in 7 minutes so for an athlete it’s normal that he can do 2km , nothing special
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Let's compare it with other sports and players who have done these tests in cricket.


Rugby 7s Aussie captain Ed Jenkins who weighs 95kg clocked 6 minutes 40 seconds in a recent 2km time trial.
Ben Stokes ran a sub-seven-minute trial ahead of the 2019 ashes.
Indian cricket team bench mark was
8 minutes and 15 seconds.
At the 2018 AFL combine, the best performer was Jacob Kennerley who ran 6:04.
West Australian team Perth Glory team must run 2km in under 7 minutes.
 
FearlessRoar said:
What is the purpose of training in Ramadan at Kakul, in pics i see all players are lazy and lethargic
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Pak has a packed calendar, this was the only time slot available. Pakistani players are unfit, lazy, lethargic even outside Ramzan. This strict head master approach is unfortunately needed.
 
Savak said:
Pak has a packed calendar, this was the only time slot available. Pakistani players are unfit, lazy, lethargic even outside Ramzan. This strict head master approach is unfortunately needed.
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But what are the coaches doing to get these players upto scratch in terms of fitness eg (fitness plans/diet plans).
 
cricketjoshila said:
Most of teams have fit players, how many of them visit Army training camps?
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Because most teams have proper coaching set ups with an NCA that looks after there players fitness by conducting monthly fitness test and comparing results and scores.

There are various fitness test which also include a bleep test. Infact, even a Highschool team in Canada maintains monthly fitness scores of al PE participants. So forget most teams, even most highschools have a fitness regime in place.

Our problem is because we switch around Chairmans, Coaches and Selectors, the criteria is changed each time. When the criteria is changed, the whole process in place before gets destroyed and replaced.

So when Wasim Khan came in, he bought Misbah in as Coach, Misbah create a fitness standard and a process for it and had it implemented. Than when a few limited overs results were not going in favor, in comes Wasim Khan as the selector and decides to select unfit players because for Wasim Khan fitness doesnt matter, scoring runs matters. Eventually than Misbah is forecd to resign from the Coaching position by Rameez Raja and Rameez Raja comes in with a philosophy that Coaching is not important in international cricket, Me and Imran won a World Cup with Intikhab Alam as a coach. So he comes in, has no coach, decides to hire Saqlain Mushtaq as the jolly uncle for the team to chill and also decides to hire Australian Mentors on Adhoc basis on monthly contracts.

Eventually, that blows up aswell, and we have Zaka coming in as Chairman, and by now Babar and co are telling him that stop focusing on our fitness, just look at our runs. So the philosophy is continued and now we are at the point where every player has a tid sticking out.

Now, because the process in place was destroyed, we need a fitness culture for the players to adapt to, so what we do?

We run to the Army. Why? Because unlike PCB, the Army has held a fitness standard and regime, and probably the only institute that follows it for its soldiers. No matter how many kills one soldier gets or whether the person works in the Signal or Engineering department, everyone has to abide by the Army fitness regime of Pakistan. So because they have a system in place, the PCB has to request them that we screw up our system please take our players in and if we win we can share credit and you will also look good in the media.

In other countries, they have a proper sports body that has facilities where players can do fitness like in Germany.

But PCB is PCB. NCA for us means having10 outdoor nets and having 10 indoor nets and bowling machines. Play a few knocks while Umar Akmal will record you and post your strokes on FB, TikTock and show it as mehnaat. This convinces the likes of Sarfraz Ahmad to select guys like that Youngster at QG
 
zahid01 said:
Who in their right mind would hold a fitness assessment in month of ramadan we are dealing with humans here or do they don't fast can pcb not find another month.
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Its not the PCBs issue. Its the players fault. They should not have been this much unfit.

The WOrld T20 is near and we have alot of series in between, this is the best time.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Most of teams have fit players, how many of them visit Army training camps?
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The aussies have sent their team to the Australian army for certain boot camps. The 2007 Ashes series at home was preceded by the Australian team going into army boot camp.
 
Major said:
Because most teams have proper coaching set ups with an NCA that looks after there players fitness by conducting monthly fitness test and comparing results and scores.

There are various fitness test which also include a bleep test. Infact, even a Highschool team in Canada maintains monthly fitness scores of al PE participants. So forget most teams, even most highschools have a fitness regime in place.

Our problem is because we switch around Chairmans, Coaches and Selectors, the criteria is changed each time. When the criteria is changed, the whole process in place before gets destroyed and replaced.

So when Wasim Khan came in, he bought Misbah in as Coach, Misbah create a fitness standard and a process for it and had it implemented. Than when a few limited overs results were not going in favor, in comes Wasim Khan as the selector and decides to select unfit players because for Wasim Khan fitness doesnt matter, scoring runs matters. Eventually than Misbah is forecd to resign from the Coaching position by Rameez Raja and Rameez Raja comes in with a philosophy that Coaching is not important in international cricket, Me and Imran won a World Cup with Intikhab Alam as a coach. So he comes in, has no coach, decides to hire Saqlain Mushtaq as the jolly uncle for the team to chill and also decides to hire Australian Mentors on Adhoc basis on monthly contracts.

Eventually, that blows up aswell, and we have Zaka coming in as Chairman, and by now Babar and co are telling him that stop focusing on our fitness, just look at our runs. So the philosophy is continued and now we are at the point where every player has a tid sticking out.

Now, because the process in place was destroyed, we need a fitness culture for the players to adapt to, so what we do?

We run to the Army. Why? Because unlike PCB, the Army has held a fitness standard and regime, and probably the only institute that follows it for its soldiers. No matter how many kills one soldier gets or whether the person works in the Signal or Engineering department, everyone has to abide by the Army fitness regime of Pakistan. So because they have a system in place, the PCB has to request them that we screw up our system please take our players in and if we win we can share credit and you will also look good in the media.

In other countries, they have a proper sports body that has facilities where players can do fitness like in Germany.

But PCB is PCB. NCA for us means having10 outdoor nets and having 10 indoor nets and bowling machines. Play a few knocks while Umar Akmal will record you and post your strokes on FB, TikTock and show it as mehnaat. This convinces the likes of Sarfraz Ahmad to select guys like that Youngster at QG
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The Pakistani players are handsomely paid by the PCB and i am not even including their sponsorships, savings, investments they have made from years of playing in cricket and the T-20 leagues. These players have the money, resources to hire the best personal trainers, dieticians, cooks and even build a full fledged private gym at their homes. There are zero excuses for them to not be Virat Kohli style fit.
 
From what I've read and seen the players lack focus and look lethargic.

They're most likely fasting as well which can be a factor as well.
 
Savak said:
The aussies have sent their team to the Australian army for certain boot camps. The 2007 Ashes series at home was preceded by the Australian team going into army boot camp.
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JOHN Buchanan’s infamous boot camp prior to the 2006 Ashes whitewash nearly broke Australian spin kings Shane Warne and Stuart MacGill.

The intense camp – which took place three months ahead of the Gabba Test that summer – left Warne near speechless.

“I think it is one of John Buchanan’s wonderful, mastermind things that keeps everyone stumped,” he said before so much as packing a rucksack.

His mood would get no more cheery as the world’s greatest leg-spinner was forced to do hikes and carry sandbags – while forgoing clean underwear and socks in order to fit enough packets of cigarettes into his backpack.

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MacGill, meanwhile, suffered a knee injury – while fast bowler Michael Kasprowicz suffered a costly back injury – putting the merits of that boot camp firmly under the spotlight.

But it’s well and truly still part of Cricket Australia’s plans for the future, with 18 of Australia’s brightest emerging talents pushed to their physical and mental limits in an exhaustive camp last week that was in line with what proved too much for some of Australia’s best ever more than a decade before them.

National Performance Program head coach Troy Cooley ran the show last week and knows better than anyone the benefits – and pitfalls – these camps can bring to teams.

Cooley was also there when Warne and MacGill chucked the towel in 12 years ago, having been brought in by Buchanan as Australia’s bowling coach following his starring role in England’s shock 2005 Ashes success.

“Part of that was Warney and Stuey MacGill sitting at a table while all the boys went out and did (their challenges) one day,” Cooley recalled to FoxSports.com.au.

“They had to sit there and face each other all day writing down what leadership and mateship was all about.”
www.foxsports.com.au

National Performance Squad: Why the camp that crushed Shane Warne is back

Why the camp that crushed Warney is back
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Read how it injured players.
 
mominsaigol said:
None of that matters if he averages 4 away from home in international cricket and any quality bowler will just get him out first or 2nd delivery.
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That's like 80% of the players we've tried aside from RizBar. Don't single him out. Body shaming and publicly humiliating him is not the way to develop any young player. Azam has his strengths.

mominsaigol said:
You have a batter who can't bat, a fielder( assuming rizwan is first choice keeper) who can't field, a keeper who can't properly keep as he can't dive as effectively as rizwan can.

I don't like rizwan, but you need to give rizwan credit, he's the 2nd fittest member in the entire 29 camp, Rizwan has always been fit, even when our team was stuffing themselves with cakes and getting dad bods, Rizwan was the only one who's fitness remained in tact and for that he has my respect.

Azam doesn't deserve to keep over rizwan by any means especially when rizwan is a superior keeper to even someone like haris, who himself is 1000x the keeper azam is.

That means since rizzu is first choice, he'll have to play as a fielder, in which case you'll have a fielder who can't field as he can't run, since a 20 minute walk would tire him, him running after the ball to prevent the boundary would be comedy gold.
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Rizwan is obviously the first choice. Not just Azam but there's literally no one on the horizon that can replace him. That doesn't mean that Azam has no right to pursue a career in cricket. He's still useful for PSL and franchises and domestics. Also if Azam and Rizwan are both selected, the most probable scenario would be Azam keeping and Rizwan fielding as he's a better fielder. Same if it was Sarfraz or Haris. Rizwan, eventhough he's a better keeper than all of them would still end up fielding because he's also a better fielder than all of them.
 
daytrader said:
That's like 80% of the players we've tried aside from RizBar. Don't single him out. Body shaming and publicly humiliating him is not the way to develop any young player. Azam has his strengths.



Rizwan is obviously the first choice. Not just Azam but there's literally no one on the horizon that can replace him. That doesn't mean that Azam has no right to pursue a career in cricket. He's still useful for PSL and franchises and domestics. Also if Azam and Rizwan are both selected, the most probable scenario would be Azam keeping and Rizwan fielding as he's a better fielder. Same if it was Sarfraz or Haris. Rizwan, eventhough he's a better keeper than all of them would still end up fielding because he's also a better fielder than all of them.
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And because Azam cannot field in the outfield, period.
 
Savak said:
The aussies have sent their team to the Australian army for certain boot camps. The 2007 Ashes series at home was preceded by the Australian team going into army boot camp.
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For one when was the last time they did it?
Aus knows what sports fitness is, it’s not the same as Army fitness if not every athlete would just be sent there.
 
mominsaigol said:
It's army training, they will build muscles.

Today was cardio day, they will ve going through more days of strength training as well
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Not possible to build muscle from a 10 day training camp. If anything, these drills will create a calorie deficit and will help them burn some fat.

Strength training will help and can add muscle but that process is much longer, and need to be followed for a long time to see changes in your physical appearance.

Weight training is the best way to add muscle but players can’t do that when they are actively participating in different leagues and are refusing to take a break to work on their fitness. For adding muscle, an individual must follow a very strict diet and a weight training program.

This army camp is more of a conditioning workout program. I believe this was designed to expose the fitness levels of our players who are refusing to accept that they are unfit.
 
Muhammad Saad said:
A normal guy when jogs can get to 1km in 7 minutes so for an athlete it’s normal that he can do 2km , nothing special
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Amateurs run that way ace for a 10k = 35 min

Personally, I’ve run 38 min 10k in my 30’s

7 minn 2k for a professional athlete is a bare minimum
 
Savak said:
The Pakistani players are handsomely paid by the PCB and i am not even including their sponsorships, savings, investments they have made from years of playing in cricket and the T-20 leagues. These players have the money, resources to hire the best personal trainers, dieticians, cooks and even build a full fledged private gym at their homes. There are zero excuses for them to not be Virat Kohli style fit.
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Maintaining Fitness doesnt even require money. I agree with what you have said.

Fitness is the most basic thing, if you cant have that, you have no place in sports. The fact that Azam Khan gets to be a professional sportsman is just an insult to cricket
 
daytrader said:
That's like 80% of the players we've tried aside from RizBar. Don't single him out. Body shaming and publicly humiliating him is not the way to develop any young player. Azam has his strengths.



Rizwan is obviously the first choice. Not just Azam but there's literally no one on the horizon that can replace him. That doesn't mean that Azam has no right to pursue a career in cricket. He's still useful for PSL and franchises and domestics. Also if Azam and Rizwan are both selected, the most probable scenario would be Azam keeping and Rizwan fielding as he's a better fielder. Same if it was Sarfraz or Haris. Rizwan, eventhough he's a better keeper than all of them would still end up fielding because he's also a better fielder than all of them.
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He has atleast haris, Usman khan( who's apart of the camp) all being superior to him.

Also enough about riz and Babar
 
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mominsaigol said:
It's army training, they will build muscles.

Today was cardio day, they will ve going through more days of strength training as well
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Is the camp longer than 4-6 weeks? If not, they will absolutely not build muscles.

The training being conducted right now is to reduce their body fat %, but most importantly build fitness and stamina. Also factor in the fact that they are fasting, so if anything they are LOSING more muscles as this regime is being done whilst fasted (arguably calorie deficit) - so protein intake will be extremely low pre and post camp.
 
Theo_14 said:
Is the camp longer than 4-6 weeks? If not, they will absolutely not build muscles.

The training being conducted right now is to reduce their body fat %, but most importantly build fitness and stamina. Also factor in the fact that they are fasting, so if anything they are LOSING more muscles as this regime is being done whilst fasted (arguably calorie deficit) - so protein intake will be extremely low pre and post camp.
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Some muscle will be built assuming this is proper military training which by the looks of it for azam Khan it doesn't seem to be.

10 days is enough to build muscle if you're under army regime, The problem is none of our players can actually do army training.

They can't exactly do push ups, pulls up all day like the army does.
 
Only thing that can save Azam is ozempic and a personal chef that makes him nice tasting healthy food. And even that will take a disciplined effort of 6-8 months to reach tolerable weight levels.

But i know from personal sources, and ill use the term alleged here that Azam cannot stop himself from eating pasta. He is a regular midnight snacker, and pasta is his go to.
 
mominsaigol said:
Some muscle will be built assuming this is proper military training which by the looks of it for azam Khan it doesn't seem to be.

10 days is enough to build muscle if you're under army regime, The problem is none of our players can actually do army training.

They can't exactly do push ups, pulls up all day like the army does.
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Did I just see someone say “10 days is enough to build muscles” Are you serious lol?

Can you tell me how it is scientifically suffice for a human body to “build muscle within 10 days.”? This tells me you don’t go to the gym or know your science.

A very good gym programme - consistently followed with a good high protein diet will see you develop muscles within 4-8 weeks, not days unless you are on supplements ie steroids.

You are also ignoring the formula of 80% diet and 20% gym (with 20% mostly covered by strength based workouts.) This camp currently happening is focusing on a high resistant/intense cardio workout focused to improve stamina and fitness. The fact players are likely to be fasting as well, they are likely to LOSE muscle then gain. So the formula is not even being adopted here.
 
Theo_14 said:
Did I just see someone say “10 days is enough to build muscles” Are you serious lol?

Can you tell me how it is scientifically suffice for a human body to “build muscle within 10 days.”? This tells me you don’t go to the gym or know your science.

A very good gym programme - consistently followed with a good high protein diet will see you develop muscles within 4-8 weeks, not days unless you are on supplements ie steroids.

You are also ignoring the formula of 80% diet and 20% gym (with 20% mostly covered by strength based workouts.) This camp currently happening is focusing on a high resistant/intense cardio workout focused to improve stamina and fitness. The fact players are likely to be fasting as well, they are likely to LOSE muscle then gain. So the formula is not even being adopted here.
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We have different definitions of building muscle, I'm not taking about being jacked.

If you lose weight, you'll literally see some abs form around us due to lower body fat and your muscle mass will just naturally shine through. As well as some slight muscle feeling in your arms and legs.

We all have muscles and fat in our body, they don't just randomly spawn when exercising. The more you decrease something the other even if it remains constant will become noticeable.
 
mominsaigol said:
He has atleast haris, Usman khan( who's apart of the camp) all being superior to him.

Also enough about riz and Babar,
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I didn't mention Babar in the post anywhere and you brought up Riz
 
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daytrader said:
I didn't mention Babar in the post anywhere and you brought up Riz
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If azam wanted to pursue a career in a professional sport he'd be fit.

Why are you playing a fitness sport if you're that unfit?

That's like If I wanted to pursue a career as a fitness instructor but I don't know how to deadlift myself,

Who cares if I can give instructions or operate the machinery.

Azam cannot bat, he has an average of 4 in international, him bullying franchise trundles that anyone can Bully doesn't mean he'll become the next Glenn Maxwell in batting.

Haris sohail who unlike azam Khan is a classy batsmen and could easily have become our greatest pakistani batsmen in the modern era and our ideal no 4, got replaced by iftikhar because he had fitness issues, the dude couldn't run properly, his knee issues were getting in the way.

But haris sohail could atleast field and bat when needed, Azam Khan gets tired from simply walking for 20 minutes? Every single time I see him, he gets chubbier and chubbier.

If azam wanted to have a right to pursue cricket, then he'd be passionate about it. Kohli was a chubby but kohli was so passionate that he went full vegetarian mode and built an entire routine.

Azam Khan is a disgrace to the greats of the game.
 
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mominsaigol said:
We have different definitions of building muscle, I'm not taking about being jacked.

If you lose weight, you'll literally see some abs form around us due to lower body fat and your muscle mass will just naturally shine through. As well as some slight muscle feeling in your arms and legs.

We all have muscles and fat in our body, they don't just randomly spawn when exercising. The more you decrease something the other even if it remains constant will become noticeable.
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You still didn’t answer my question.

Brother, rain is rain, storm is storm. You either build muscles or you don’t. There is no spectrum to building muscles.

Your whole argument was about “building” muscles with days and now you are saying “if you lose weight, your muscles will shine through.” With all due respect, you’ve changed your statement and it’s clear you are not knowledgeable in this area.

I think what you are trying to say here is, if you are in a calorie deficit, a diet of high fibre and high protein, will see your body fat % reduce and your muscles will be visible. We all have muscles under our layers of fat, but that wasn’t what I questioned, I questioned your statement of building muscles within days. Even then, body % won’t significantly drop within 10 days of camp for muscles ie abs to be visible.

If you are aware of a programme where I can build muscles within 10 days - 100% natural and clean please share the programme and diet with me. I will share this with my clients.
 
Babar Azam, who was previously absent, has now joined the training camp directly after the Thursday evening training session upon his arrival at the Kakul Academy.
 
mominsaigol said:
If azam wanted to pursue a career in a professional sport he'd be fit.

Why are you playing a fitness sport if you're that unfit?

That's like If I wanted to pursue a career as a fitness instructor but I don't know how to deadlift myself,

Who cares if I can give instructions or operate the machinery.

Azam cannot bat, he has an average of 4 in international, him bullying franchise trundles that anyone can Bully doesn't mean he'll become the next Glenn Maxwell in batting.

Haris sohail who unlike azam Khan is a classy batsmen and could easily have become our greatest pakistani batsmen in the modern era and our ideal no 4, got replaced by iftikhar because he had fitness issues, the dude couldn't run properly, his knee issues were getting in the way.

But haris sohail could atleast field and bat when needed, Azam Khan gets tired from simply walking for 20 minutes? Every single time I see him, he gets chubbier and chubbier.

If azam wanted to have a right to pursue cricket, then he'd be passionate about it. Kohli was a chubby but kohli was so passionate that he went full vegetarian mode and built an entire routine.

Azam Khan is a disgrace to the greats of the game.
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Please try to comprehend arguments made. I have never advocated for Azam to be selected for the national team. I'm only against the body shaming he's facing
 
Theo_14 said:
You still didn’t answer my question.

Brother, rain is rain, storm is storm. You either build muscles or you don’t. There is no spectrum to building muscles.

Your whole argument was about “building” muscles with days and now you are saying “if you lose weight, your muscles will shine through.” With all due respect, you’ve changed your statement and it’s clear you are not knowledgeable in this area.

I think what you are trying to say here is, if you are in a calorie deficit, a diet of high fibre and high protein, will see your body fat % reduce and your muscles will be visible. We all have muscles under our layers of fat, but that wasn’t what I questioned, I questioned your statement of building muscles within days. Even then, body % won’t significantly drop within 10 days of camp for muscles ie abs to be visible.

If you are aware of a programme where I can build muscles within 10 days - 100% natural and clean please share the programme and diet with me. I will share this with my clients.
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nothing can be changed within days. I doubt any real cardiovascular changes can occur. They need to be doing regular long term training.
 
daytrader said:
Please try to comprehend arguments made. I have never advocated for Azam to be selected for the national team. I'm only against the body shaming he's facing
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Tbf I am not body shaming him in any of my arguments.

Just like the military have certain standards of fitness and various requirements needed to become an army officer, cricketers should have the same standards.

A batsmen doesn't need to have a model body or anything but they shouldn't be a cricketer if they can't do very basic tasks.

Walking and being tuckered out after 20 mins is embrassing.
 
Army guys are giving a hard time to Team Green during the training on day 3.

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