[PICTURES/VIDEOS] PSL should go head to head with IPL

[Bewal Express]

Dr Nauman has clarified that the value of the tv rights depends heavily on the quality of the foreign stock. This time, A Sports out bid PTV Sports and refused to share the tv rights with PTV sports and this has resulted in Dr Nauman heavily bashing both the PCB and the PSL quality this season.

So based on the Foreign players we have had recently, we would have got next to nothing. Not a single one of the guys is box office.

 

[Savak]

So based on the Foreign players we have had recently, we would have got next to nothing. Not a single one of the guys is box office.

Hence why the national stadium was mostly empty. The national stadium had full sold out games when England came with a full strength T-20 side to Pakistan in 2022.

 

[Bewal Express]

Hence why the national stadium was mostly empty. The national stadium had full sold out games when England came with a full strength T-20 side to Pakistan in 2022.

I don't think that was the reason. From what I gather it was facilities that was the main gripe and obviously Ramadan also caused people to stay at home

 

[topspin]

I have to disagree with you here, man. The current franchises are not spending enough money and by having more teams the pie gets stretched and their pockets shrink further. Also we dont want to create viewer fatigue by having an elongated tournament. The audience in karachi already refuses to go to the stadium.

PSL is not ready for expansion yet. It first needs to develop more stadiums to enter non KLRM cities like the ones you mentioned - FSD, Sialkot, Gujranwala etc.

Maybe extending the competition is not on at present but I would certainly like to see PSL being played in the same window as IPL.

 

[Mesozoic]

One of the PSLs 26 percent of viewers were Indians. I'm on TikTok where there's a few Indian accounts who watch and then comment on games.

I mean this forum is awash with Indian posters itself

That's just how mathematics and percentages work.

I'm pretty sure that 90% of LPL (Lanka Premier League) viewership comes from Indians when you consider Sri Lanka's relatively tiny population compared to India. Even if a tiny fraction of the our cricket viewing audience watches any league , it skews the proportions massively. But it doesn't mean Indians sit down and watch LPL every day.

And Tik tok is banned in India.. so probably most of those accounts are all false flaggers.

 

[sweep_shot]

And Tik tok is banned in India.. so probably most of those accounts are all false flaggers.

It is possible those Indians are residing in foreign countries or they are accessing TikTok using VPNs.

 

[Suleiman]

IPL is pure bakwaas. They need dancing girls and outdated Bollywood celebs to make their league relevant. And a 3 m high metal fence to keep rabid Indian fans at bay when rajasthan roosters or whatever they’re called lose a game and they can’t contain themselves.

PSL is pure, raw cricket. It’s the test cricket of t20s. Rizwan’s gritty 70 off 85 is far better than all of IPL combined.

 

[Suleiman]

If Shahrukh Khan or whatever Khan attends IPL, IPL stocks rise.

If same Shahrukh Khan attends PSL (in his dreams…) then Shahrukh Khan stock rises.

 

[Itachi]

It is possible those Indians are residing in foreign countries or they are accessing TikTok using VPNs.

Tiktok is one of the toughest app to get access via VPN (in India). It catches most VPN providers (free and paid both).

 

[Itachi]

IPL is pure bakwaas. They need dancing girls and outdated Bollywood celebs to make their league relevant. And a 3 m high metal fence to keep rabid Indian fans at bay when rajasthan roosters or whatever they’re called lose a game and they can’t contain themselves.

PSL is pure, raw cricket. It’s the test cricket of t20s. Rizwan’s gritty 70 off 85 is far better than all of IPL combined.

Had a bad day or what? Such hatred is unhealthy.

 

[topspin]

Had a bad day or what? Such hatred is unhealthy.

He was being sarcastic. Read his last sentence about Rizwan again

 

[Mr.Q]

Not a great idea. Such a move would give the BCCI an opportunity to directly attack the PSL (and I bet they will).

And it’s not about what the PSL is now, it’s about what it aspires to be. I don’t think the PSL is designed by the PCB just for the Pakistani audience. For a league like this to do well, global attention is necessary.

Overlapping with the IPL would severely limit the attention PSL gets. Since the time zones are similar too, I’m not sure how this would help improve PSL’s viewership. In fact, the opposite might happen. The IPL has bigger stars and is aesthetically far more pleasing to the eye overall. It’s possible that people who sit down to watch PSL may start watching the IPL. I don’t agree with the argument that Pakistanis are going to watch only the PSL no matter what. That’s just not how things (or people) work.

I think the PSL is doing rather well considering what Pakistan is going through right now. I’ve often felt that some of the fans here are completely oblivious to the ground realities in Pakistan. Once the Pakistan economy and polity stabilises, the PSL will also improve as a product overall. You cannot look at the PSL in isolation.

 

[Savak]

Not a great idea. Such a move would give the BCCI an opportunity to directly attack the PSL (and I bet they will).

And it’s not about what the PSL is now, it’s about what it aspires to be. I don’t think the PSL is designed by the PCB just for the Pakistani audience. For a league like this to do well, global attention is necessary.

Overlapping with the IPL would severely limit the attention PSL gets. Since the time zones are similar too, I’m not sure how this would help improve PSL’s viewership. In fact, the opposite might happen. The IPL has bigger stars and is aesthetically far more pleasing to the eye overall. It’s possible that people who sit down to watch PSL may start watching the IPL. I don’t agree with the argument that Pakistanis are going to watch only the PSL no matter what. That’s just not how things (or people) work.

I think the PSL is doing rather well considering what Pakistan is going through right now. I’ve often felt that some of the fans here are completely oblivious to the ground realities in Pakistan. Once the Pakistan economy and polity stabilises, the PSL will also improve as a product overall. You cannot look at the PSL in isolation.

The top tier foreign players who will get rejected by the IPL will still get picked as Commentators in India or as experts and the amounts they get paid by the Indians will still be more than the PSL.

PSLs more realistic goal is to atleast try and be the number two and they are certainly not going to be able to do that by challenging the IPL head on.

Drastically improving the PSLs finances might not be realistic but the PCB will be smart enough to choose another window for the PSL ie somewhere around Oct Nov to improve the chances of getting the best possible foreign stock at the prices the PCB, PSL can afford and with minimum competition from other leagues.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That might happen but the Foreign players aren't the basis for the success of the PSL, they add a bit of flavour but not much else.

PSL is a success? Ok.

If foreign players are not essential for PSL, PCB should have continued with Faysal Bank T20. No?

 

[cricketjoshila]

The top tier foreign players who will get rejected by the IPL will still get picked as Commentators in India or as experts and the amounts they get paid by the Indians will still be more than the PSL.

PSLs more realistic goal is to atleast try and be the number two and they are certainly not going to be able to do that by challenging the IPL head on.

Drastically improving the PSLs finances might not be realistic but the PCB will be smart enough to choose another window for the PSL ie somewhere around Oct Nov to improve the chances of getting the best possible foreign stock at the prices the PCB, PSL can afford and with minimum competition from other leagues.

Raise salary cap to $2.5mn. Watch the fun.

Else its just not good enough for quality foreign players.

 

[Bewal Express]

PSL is a success? Ok.

If foreign players are not essential for PSL, PCB should have continued with Faysal Bank T20. No?

Its called branding. The old Division one became the EPL, no change in personnel at the start but the brand was developed. The PSL is a success, it is watched by millions of PKs. The IPL is a success because millions of Inds watch. It is watched by a tiny proportion of non Inds, outside IND no one cares one iota for it.

 

[jnaveen1980]

SKY sports has deal for both IPL and WPL till 2027. Every day record of 200000 people and a weekly record of 1.7 million people in 2023.
From one of the article

"Liverpool versus Sheffield United and Arsenal versus Leicester, recorded 110,000 and 140,000 viewers, respectively. The opening match of the IPL, between Mumbai Indians and Chennai Super Kings, was watched by around 168,000 viewers,"

 

[BouncerGuy]

Shane Watson speaking on social media – he was asked a question regarding the the difference between the IPL and PSL:

"One thing that PSL brings is the quality of fast bowlers. Every team you play against in PSL has one or two bowlers who bowl at 150 kph. If you play there, you need to be on your A-game; otherwise, you will be exposed, and there is a searing pace there all the time.”

“One thing about IPL is that it brings together all the best players in the world. Because there is no window for PSL, it gets all the Pakistani players, who are world-class players, and there are a lot of world-class overseas players who are playing in PSL. But IPL has a window. It has the best players in the world playing every game, and it is incredibly tough. There are no weak links in any team in the IPL. IPL is an incredible challenge, and that’s why everyone loves coming to play in the IPL because you know it is a true test of what you’ve got."
​

 

[Devadwal]

Its called branding. The old Division one became the EPL, no change in personnel at the start but the brand was developed. The PSL is a success, it is watched by millions of PKs. The IPL is a success because millions of Inds watch. It is watched by a tiny proportion of non Inds, outside IND no one cares one iota for it.

IPL 2023: A Global Phenomenon Attracting Massive US Investment

This cricket league is not just popular in India- it is truly a global phenomenon. In fact, it’s attracted massive attention from US investors- a country where cricket does not exist on such a large scale.

Why is the IPL attracting American investors?

Indian Premier League 2023 is a professional Twenty20 cricket league in India that has become a global phenomenon. The IPL has attracted massive attention from US investors who are pouring money into the league, making it one of the most lucrative investments in sports.

According to a report by the Financial Times, the IPL has attracted over $3.2 billion in investment from US firms, including Silver Lake Partners, KKR & Co., and TPG Capital. In 2021, Silver Lake Partners invested $1.35 billion in the IPL's parent company, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), making it the largest investment in the league's history.

The interest of US investors in the IPL can be attributed to the league's massive popularity and potential for growth. And IPL is not just a popular sporting event….it is also a significant contributor to India’s economy.

For instance, in 2019, IPL attracted 4L domestic and international tourist arrivals in India- which resulted in a revenue of nearly 68 MILLION USD to India’s hospitality sector.

IPL has created over 1,20,000 direct and indirect job opportunities in the country. The advertising revenue generated by the IPL has grown steadily over the years. The total advertising revenue for IPL 2020 was estimated to be around INR 3,000 crore (around $410 million USD), a 10% increase from the previous year (According to a report by Duff & Phelps).

Additionally, The IPL has created a market for merchandise related to the league, resulting in increased revenue for small businesses. In 2019, the sale of IPL merchandise was estimated to be around INR 500 crore (around $68 million USD).

Last but not least, the construction of several world-class stadiums and training facilities for the IPL has resulted in the development of sports infrastructure in India. According to a report by Deloitte, the construction of IPL stadiums and training facilities has contributed significantly to the growth of the Indian sports industry.

These statistics demonstrate the significant impact of the IPL on India's economy, making it not just a popular sporting event but also a crucial contributor to the country's economic growth.

With this being said, the IPL has an estimated global audience of 462 million viewers, making it one of the most-watched sporting events in the world. This beats the United States’ Super Bowl fir American football- considered one of the most viewed sporting events on the globe. In 2022, the Super Bowl had 99.18 million viewers in the United States and advertising revenue reached approximately 500 MILLION USD.

Coming back to IPL.

In 2020, before COVID19, IPL’s brand value was estimated at $6.8 billion, with a total revenue of $530 million. The league's popularity and massive fanbase are expected to drive further revenue growth in the coming years, making it an attractive investment opportunity.

This is for sure why America is so interested in cricket, even though cricket may not be such a big sport in the USA. The IPL’s innovative approach, including technology, strategic timeouts and trading of players from all over the globe has resulted in creating a truly international audience which increases revenue and investment opportunities.

We’re talking big money here.

In 2021, Chris Morris, an all-rounder from South Africa became one of the most expensive player in IPL history when he was bought by Rajasthan Royals for INR 16.25 crore (approximately $2.25 million USD) at the player auction.

India’s Virat Kohli was retained by Royal Challengers Bangalore for INR 17 crore (approximately $2.3 million USD) in multiple seasons, making him one of the highest-paid players in the league.

Australian fast bowler Pat Cummins became one of the most expensive foreign player in IPL history when he was bought by Kolkata Knight Riders for INR 15.5 crore (approximately $2.1 million USD) in 2020.

These are just a few examples of the most expensive players in the IPL, and the list is constantly evolving as new players emerge and old ones retire or move on to different teams. And just last year, IPL had two new franchises, taking the team total from 8 to 10 teams, meaning more players and more money.

Enter American investors.

In addition to the investments made by US firms, several prominent American businessmen have also shown their interest in the IPL. Amazon founder Jeff Bezos, Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg, and hedge fund manager Steve Cohen have all reportedly expressed their personal desire to invest in the league.

With the league set to become even bigger in the coming years, it is no surprise that US investors are and will be betting bigger and higher on the IPL.

IPL 2023: A global phenomenon attracting massive US investment - Times of India

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IPL is global brand and will further increase as Indian economy increase. Wait for a decade it will give competition to top Football league around the world

 

[Savak]

Raise salary cap to $2.5mn. Watch the fun.

Else its just not good enough for quality foreign players.

It's still possible to get quality foreign players without going bankrupt. Simple solution is to find a less busy window

 

[Monday Morning]

Going against the IPL would be suicidal for the PSL.

Let's say this happens and a foreign player does well in the PSL. It's pretty obvious, he'll be playing the IPL next season and skipping the PSL.

At least PSL teams can build their team and brand around foreign players today. That won't be possible if the PSL window is concurrent with the IPL.

 

[Human786]

Shane Watson speaking on social media – he was asked a question regarding the the difference between the IPL and PSL:

"One thing that PSL brings is the quality of fast bowlers. Every team you play against in PSL has one or two bowlers who bowl at 150 kph. If you play there, you need to be on your A-game; otherwise, you will be exposed, and there is a searing pace there all the time.”

“One thing about IPL is that it brings together all the best players in the world. Because there is no window for PSL, it gets all the Pakistani players, who are world-class players, and there are a lot of world-class overseas players who are playing in PSL. But IPL has a window. It has the best players in the world playing every game, and it is incredibly tough. There are no weak links in any team in the IPL. IPL is an incredible challenge, and that’s why everyone loves coming to play in the IPL because you know it is a true test of what you’ve got."
​

How many 150 kph bowlers played in this edition ? Any list ?

 

[BouncerGuy]

How many 150 kph bowlers played in this edition ? Any list ?

Hasnain was one of the bowlers to touch 150+. All other bowlers were in between 145-150 as far as I remember.

 

[Bewal Express]

IPL 2023: A global phenomenon attracting massive US investment - Times of India

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IPL is global brand and will further increase as Indian economy increase. Wait for a decade it will give competition to top Football league around the world

It isn't. It's basically the equivalent of PK mangoes- loved by Inds at home and abroad. You average cricket has heard of it and has caught bits of action but couldn't care less who wins or losses.

 

[OldWarHorse]

Well lack of international cricket during IPL should help PSL grab some better players. That's a positive.

On the flip side, it'll be relegated to IPL's feeder league, for the best performing PSL overseas players will be gobbled up mid season by struggling IPL teams, that will absolutely disturb the team balance etc. Add to that loss of common players, coaches and more importantly analysts who work across leagues.


Tbh the move is inevitable as IPL keeps expanding, the calendar is going to be shorter for rest of the T20 leagues

 

[cricketjoshila]

It's still possible to get quality foreign players without going bankrupt. Simple solution is to find a less busy window

October to December/January is home season for teams like India Australia SA. Even Pakistan plays its home matches then.

June to September is rainy season.

Then there is one month of ICC event every year.

So where is the slot?

You can't keep running away. You have to take on other leagues to first become number 2. Then take on the IPL.

 

[emranabbas]

Its called branding. The old Division one became the EPL, no change in personnel at the start but the brand was developed. The PSL is a success, it is watched by millions of PKs. The IPL is a success because millions of Inds watch. It is watched by a tiny proportion of non Inds, outside IND no one cares one iota for it.

Bro I don't know where your keep getting this idea from that ipl is watched by Indians only and psl is only watched by Pakistanis

 

[Human786]

personally , not a workable option looking at the tourney which just got over ... what say @Rana

 

[NishanKonar]

Forget overseas fans. If PSL & IPL happens at the same time - many Pakistani fans will start watching IPL when their favorite PSL team is not playing

Imagine if are a Lahore or Multan fan. Will u watch a game featuring Peshawar Zalmi vs Kararchi with Babar Azam plodding on with 25 off 20 balls - if at the same time there is a IPL game where Mitch Marsh is smashing 80 off 40 balls

 

[NishanKonar]

Bro I don't know where your keep getting this idea from that ipl is watched by Indians only and psl is only watched by Pakistanis

This is huge misconception that only Indians watch IPL

Remember when IPL was hosted in South Africa - there were sell out crowds in most games

 

[Bewal Express]

Bro I don't know where your keep getting this idea from that ipl is watched by Indians only and psl is only watched by Pakistanis

Any ideas on numbers that aren't Inds and Ind expats( and PK ex pats). What you forget is that I work in a school, I am involved in a cricket club and that is a very large sample. In England the cricket loving population is very small less than 10% of the population and out of those around 5% watch cricket in SKY. You were saying

 

[JaDed]

If Shahrukh Khan or whatever Khan attends IPL, IPL stocks rise.

If same Shahrukh Khan attends PSL (in his dreams…) then Shahrukh Khan stock rises.

Dont take it on your heart!

 

[jnaveen1980]

Any ideas on numbers that aren't Inds and Ind expats( and PK ex pats). What you forget is that I work in a school, I am involved in a cricket club and that is a very large sample. In England the cricket loving population is very small less than 10% of the population and out of those around 5% watch cricket in SKY. You were saying

You can literally say about any internationals. World T20, 2022 happened infront of empty stadium mostly except when India played. INdia vs zimbabwe game had attendance of 87000. There were only 500 people in most of the matches

 

[Bewal Express]

You can literally say about any internationals. World T20, 2022 happened infront of empty stadium mostly except when India played. INdia vs zimbabwe game had attendance of 87000. There were only 500 people in most of the matches

Not quite. I was on about TV audiences and the fact that the IPL has made little impression on people in the UK, Australia and SA. It is for Inds with a good following in PK and BD and that's it.

 

[FearlessRoar]

As per media reports, the PCB is struggling to find a suitable window for PSL 10 as the first few months of 2025 are already packed with matches. The PSL is traditionally held by the PCB between January and March, usually starting in February and concluding in mid-March. The owners initially proposed to start the league at the end of January with its conclusion in February, but the board refused their proposal. The PCB now aims to host the PSL alongside the IPL for next year. However, the franchise owners have raised concerns regarding this proposal as they believe that quality players may prefer the IPL due to better compensation, potentially disrupting PSL’s quality and viewership. There have been multiple meetings between the franchise owners and the PCB, but no conclusion has been reached so far.

 

[emranabbas]

bro wanted psl head to head with IPL

more than half of new zealand's team are not turning up to play in pakistan due to IPL

 

[gazza619]

Pakistan should also go head with head with Amriikaa…

We are an emotional bunch.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

It’s been a boring couple of weeks for Pakistani fans, it’s either the IPL or nothing.

And, to rub salt into the wound, we’re being forced to watch a T20 series against a team that probably had grab some players from club cricket, I don’t know their names nor do I wish to know them.

I was originally against the idea of going up against the IPL, but in all honesty it’s the best option.

Hold your draft a week after the IPL auction, and go from there. We’ll probably be forced to do that anyway, if the CT25 is hosted around February.

The February to March slot can be filled up with home international games.

With the PSL being hosted in Feb-Mar, you’re competing with numerous other leagues going on around that time. Take advantage of the international window.

The IPL goes on for 3 months, if players are being paid $300k-$450k for those 3 months ($100k/per month) then they’ll choose to play in the PSL where they can earn $150k just for a month.

 

[Savak]

It’s been a boring couple of weeks for Pakistani fans, it’s either the IPL or nothing.

And, to rub salt into the wound, we’re being forced to watch a T20 series against a team that probably had grab some players from club cricket, I don’t know their names nor do I wish to know them.

I was originally against the idea of going up against the IPL, but in all honesty it’s the best option.

Hold your draft a week after the IPL auction, and go from there. We’ll probably be forced to do that anyway, if the CT25 is hosted around February.

The February to March slot can be filled up with home international games.

With the PSL being hosted in Feb-Mar, you’re competing with numerous other leagues going on around that time. Take advantage of the international window.

The IPL goes on for 3 months, if players are being paid $300k-$450k for those 3 months ($100k/per month) then they’ll choose to play in the PSL where they can earn $150k just for a month.

No need to go head to head against the IPL. Chup chap hold the PSL and find a window around Sept to November and keep it there. Shift the international fixtures and if that is not possible play a B-C team during that series like South Africa has done.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

No need to go head to head against the IPL. Chup chap hold the PSL and find a window around Sept to November and keep it there. Shift the international fixtures and if that is not possible play a B-C team during that series like South Africa has done.

If you hold the PSL at the same time as the IPL, you have only one competitor. You’re going to lose viewership regardless of whether it’s held during the IPL or Sep-Nov.

England usually play Australia around that time, who’s going to choose the PSL over that? You’ve also lost out on top English and Aussie players.

There will be too many international games around that time, if your only concern is people choosing IPL over the PSL then the answer isn’t to hold it when all the international teams are busy.

 

[Bewal Express]

The quality of the PSL overseas is to put it mildly, very average. And this is outside the IPL window, so what do we lose. So far the reasons given are, we lose on overseas players but they aren't coming anyway, apparently we lose the commentators and we won't get international attention but both leagues are purely domestic. The IPL has no more followers than the PSL, both are aimed at desis at home and abroad.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

If that happens then available international players won't come to play PSL either.

 

[emranabbas]

The quality of the PSL overseas is to put it mildly, very average. And this is outside the IPL window, so what do we lose. So far the reasons given are, we lose on overseas players but they aren't coming anyway, apparently we lose the commentators and we won't get international attention but both leagues are purely domestic. The IPL has no more followers than the PSL, both are aimed at desis at home and abroad.

We already have national t20 cup

 

[YousafTheBeast]

If that happens then available international players won't come to play PSL either.

Pretty sure Alex Hales picked PSL over the IPL as he didn’t want to play for 3 months and the pay would’ve been the same per month as PSL.

 

[Bewal Express]

We already have national t20 cup

How many of the PSL players are in the IPL? Sikandar Raza? Luke Wood? Riley Roussow? So tell which one of those guys makes or breaks the PSL brand. Us PKs will watch the PSL because of Babar Shaheen, Naseem etc not because Rovnan Powell played the PSL.

 

[Savak]

Lol even the PSL Franchise Owners are appealing to the PCB not to go head to head with the IPL because they know full well Pakistan will be shown their aukaat in a heart beat.

 

[Bewal Express]

Lol even the PSL Franchise Owners are appealing to the PCB not to go head to head with the IPL because they know full well Pakistan will be shown their aukaat in a heart beat.

Which is what? Does the Italian league stop because the EPL is played at the same time, will overseas rights go down from nil to minus? You build your brand, work hard on raising standards and people will come.

 

[Statpadder Inc]

Which is what? Does the Italian league stop because the EPL is played at the same time, will overseas rights go down from nil to minus? You build your brand, work hard on raising standards and people will come.

Can't compare football to cricket, leagues in that sport gonna on for 9 months and have a century old history

 

[Bewal Express]

Can't compare football to cricket, leagues in that sport gonna on for 9 months and have a century old history

But The PSL is a PK brand, it has a niche of 250mn of PKs and those guys will watch the PSL. So far no one has given a single reason why the PSL would be any worse off and because of the better weather and it missing the Ramazan period, it will gain.

 

[jnaveen1980]

How many guys from PSL is playing IPL ? I know Raza is playing.

 

[hassan918]

How many guys from PSL is playing IPL ? I know Raza is playing.

There are actually many such players:

David Willey
Sikandar Raza
Jason Roy
Sherfane Rutherford
Rovman Powell
Tom Kohler-Cadmore
Naveen-ul-Haq
Reeza Hendricks

 

[jnaveen1980]

There are actually many such players:

David Willey
Sikandar Raza
Jason Roy
Sherfane Rutherford
Rovman Powell
Tom Kohler-Cadmore
Naveen-ul-Haq
Reeza Hendricks

All these guys will go missing then. It will shrink the player availability even more. All the ace commentators will also go missing. I very much doubt PCB will even consider this idea.

 

[hassan918]

All these guys will go missing then. It will shrink the player availability even more. All the ace commentators will also go missing. I very much doubt PCB will even consider this idea.

Yes, that will be a stupid idea as it will surely reduce the number of quality overseas players in the PSL.

 

[Savak]

But The PSL is a PK brand, it has a niche of 250mn of PKs and those guys will watch the PSL. So far no one has given a single reason why the PSL would be any worse off and because of the better weather and it missing the Ramazan period, it will gain.

PSL is aiming to build the global audience and appeal of the league. IPL has even foreign fans in the stands and has an unparalled global audience. If the PSL wishes to be number 2 to IPL it has to have the same kind of traction with the foreign audiences and that will be destroyed in a heart beat if if is played alongside the IPL. The results will be so devestating that the PCB will abandon the PSL immediately upon seeing the consequences of the league being held alongside the IPL, all the top commentators will go to the IPL, PSL will be a bare footnote on most websites, social media trends will be all about IPL and Pakistan will become the butt of all jokes across the border.

 

[Bewal Express]

PSL is aiming to build the global audience and appeal of the league. IPL has even foreign fans in the stands and has an unparalled global audience. If the PSL wishes to be number 2 to IPL it has to have the same kind of traction with the foreign audiences and that will be destroyed in a heart beat if if is played alongside the IPL. The results will be so devestating that the PCB will abandon the PSL immediately upon seeing the consequences of the league being held alongside the IPL, all the top commentators will go to the IPL, PSL will be a bare footnote on most websites, social media trends will be all about IPL and Pakistan will become the butt of all jokes across the border.

There is no such thing as a global audience and because there isn't, the brand cannot be global. For a start let's look at the basic stats of the cricket viewing public around the World. In the UK we have roughly around 6-8mn cricket fans, and around 2mn of those are Ind and PKs and they will watch the IPL and PSL depending on where they are from, out of the locals around 200,000 watch the supposedly global IPL brand , in SA the figure for cricket fans will be around 3-4m or even less, Aus will be around the same and NZ it be about 2mn. So where is this global market that everyone goes on about. Cricket is a Sub continental Sport with a few fans outside. So how do build a global brand when out of the 200 countries, only 15 have ever heard of cricket and out of them, it is top Sport in 6.

 

[Bewal Express]

PSL is aiming to build the global audience and appeal of the league. IPL has even foreign fans in the stands and has an unparalled global audience. If the PSL wishes to be number 2 to IPL it has to have the same kind of traction with the foreign audiences and that will be destroyed in a heart beat if if is played alongside the IPL. The results will be so devestating that the PCB will abandon the PSL immediately upon seeing the consequences of the league being held alongside the IPL, all the top commentators will go to the IPL, PSL will be a bare footnote on most websites, social media trends will be all about IPL and Pakistan will become the butt of all jokes across the border.

Who watches the PSL?

 

[Bewal Express]

There are actually many such players:

David Willey
Sikandar Raza
Jason Roy
Sherfane Rutherford
Rovman Powell
Tom Kohler-Cadmore
Naveen-ul-Haq
Reeza Hendricks

None of these guys make any difference to the brand of the PSL. They are good solid pros but aren't box office.

 

[aukhan]

Jo 1, 2 baray naam atay hain wo bhi nahi ayenge

 

[Bewal Express]

Jo 1, 2 baray naam atay hain wo bhi nahi ayenge

Why wouldn't they? The IPL would take the cream but players no worse than those named above would come available. I caught some of the IPL action( not a lot) and the standard is pretty poor. The spinners are definitely better but the pace bowlers are pretty average.

 

[Savak]

If Pakistani players get allowed in the IPL again and if they get picked, they will abandon their own PSL for the IPL even if it means warming the bench.

 

[Bewal Express]

If Pakistani players get allowed in the IPL again and if they get picked, they will abandon their own PSL for the IPL even if it means warming the bench.

That would be a problem but as the Inds want to bury us alive, that won't happen in the near future unless Munir and company totally give up claim on Kashmiris right to self determination

 

[aukhan]

Why wouldn't they? The IPL would take the cream but players no worse than those named above would come available. I caught some of the IPL action( not a lot) and the standard is pretty poor. The spinners are definitely better but the pace bowlers are pretty average.

If i were an international cricketer, i would have preferred the IPL over anything else. Do you think i would have cared about pitches, bowlers, mausam, cheerleaders? Even if the bowlers are poor, performances in the IPL would open new doors of opportunity for these players.

 

[Bewal Express]

If i were an international cricketer, i would have preferred the IPL over anything else. Do you think i would have cared about pitches, bowlers, mausam, cheerleaders? Even if the bowlers are poor, performances in the IPL would open new doors of opportunity for these players.

Totally agree but life does go on for other players. This whole global brand rubbish is blinding people to the opportunity available in the window

 

[Local.Dada]

What a terrible idea. Cuts down further into revenue, Ratings, resources available, brings in needless comparison that doesn’t look flattering . The harsh truth is no matter what you tell yourself about “PSL quality” it’s self-explanatory when it is in comparison with the IPL. Building your own unique window and place should be a focus instead of tagging with the IPL. If PSL cuts down on delusions of grandeur and focus on being a farm league for IPL and other major franchise leagues like US, SA and UAE leagues, it will become must watch for atleast hardcore fans. That should be the realistic goal. Try to compete with IPL or cut into its revenue at your own peril.

 

[emranabbas]

Trying to watch PAK vs NEWZEALAND not even one channel is broadcasting it

Every cricket channel is showing IPL

 

[zarak]

In my opinion the number of teams in IPL makes the quality a little more mediocre. Barring some international superstars you have some duds playing in every team. In the current game, the following players are featuring.

David
Nabi
Romario Shephard
Coetzee
Rabada
Livingstone
Rossouw
Curran

Barring Rabada, Coetzee, and Curran, the others have featured in the PSL.

 

[Kroll]

We need more investment into PSL, pay top dollar and players will come, this is the only reason overseas players go to the IPL, money talks.

Outside of IPL, I don't know how we stack up against other leagues regarding pay, but if we get to 2nd highest paying and pay good whack for the top tiers then PSL will continue to flourish.

 

[Human786]

Can this be nominated as thread o the Year

 

[Bewal Express]

What a terrible idea. Cuts down further into revenue, Ratings, resources available, brings in needless comparison that doesn’t look flattering . The harsh truth is no matter what you tell yourself about “PSL quality” it’s self-explanatory when it is in comparison with the IPL. Building your own unique window and place should be a focus instead of tagging with the IPL. If PSL cuts down on delusions of grandeur and focus on being a farm league for IPL and other major franchise leagues like US, SA and UAE leagues, it will become must watch for atleast hardcore fans. That should be the realistic goal. Try to compete with IPL or cut into its revenue at your own peril.

Dont flatter yourself. You guys are a local League with money. No watches the IPL outside Ind, just like no one watches the PSL outisde PK and PKs. The standard is very average with poor bowlers( bar the few spinners and Bumrah) taken to the cleaners

 

[Bewal Express]

Can this be nominated as thread o the Year

Argue with facts. No one watches either league outside their country's. PKS will watch the PSL and Inds watch the IPL.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Argue with facts. No one watches either league outside their country's. PKS will watch the PSL and Inds watch the IPL.

Almost all countries have headlines about IPL. They do watch. They discuss about every match. SKY sports talks about it as well. Since it has representatives from all countries, they are keen on following their stars.

 

[emranabbas]

Dont flatter yourself. You guys are a local League with money. No watches the IPL outside Ind, just like no one watches the PSL outisde PK and PKs. The standard is very average with poor bowlers( bar the few spinners and Bumrah) taken to the cleaners

Maybe you don't but people do watch it

Today every cricket channel around the world were broadcasting IPL over an international match between Pakistan vs newzealand

 

[emranabbas]

IPL is the premiership version of cricket everyone around the world watches it

 

[daytrader]

PSL is aiming to build the global audience and appeal of the league. IPL has even foreign fans in the stands and has an unparalled global audience. If the PSL wishes to be number 2 to IPL it has to have the same kind of traction with the foreign audiences and that will be destroyed in a heart beat if if is played alongside the IPL. The results will be so devestating that the PCB will abandon the PSL immediately upon seeing the consequences of the league being held alongside the IPL, all the top commentators will go to the IPL, PSL will be a bare footnote on most websites, social media trends will be all about IPL and Pakistan will become the butt of all jokes across the border.

There's alot of foreign cricketers, commentators, coaches and consultants that don't get IPL contracts. If we had the same window the 2nd/3rd choices could come to the PSL and that is good enough. We might be viewed as a joke but it's not like they don't make fun of us already and our board already does a good job of being clowns.

Having it compete directly would always open up a discussion about a PSL team vs an IPL team. Imagine RCB and MI piling up 250+ in an innings and on the same day Lahore Vs Karachi resulting in scores of 100 or less due to bowling. This would become a talking point in cricketing circles and would be on the same level as the classic debate on India being batting powerhouse vs Pakistan producing good bowlers.

 

[jnaveen1980]

There's alot of foreign cricketers, commentators, coaches and consultants that don't get IPL contracts. If we had the same window the 2nd/3rd choices could come to the PSL and that is good enough. We might be viewed as a joke but it's not like they don't make fun of us already and our board already does a good job of being clowns.

Having it compete directly would always open up a discussion about a PSL team vs an IPL team. Imagine RCB and MI piling up 250+ in an innings and on the same day Lahore Vs Karachi resulting in scores of 100 or less due to bowling. This would become a talking point in cricketing circles and would be on the same level as the classic debate on India being batting powerhouse vs Pakistan producing good bowlers.

That is not how quality is measured. Even in street cricket one team can bowl another team for 50.

 

[daytrader]

That is not how quality is measured. Even in street cricket one team can bowl another team for 50.

Well as long as it's a talking point there will be comparisons made. And when the Champions League comes back we can measure quality with more accuracy

 

[jnaveen1980]

Well as long as it's a talking point there will be comparisons made. And when the Champions League comes back we can measure quality with more accuracy

This quality measurement is strawman argument. Nobody will even bother do discuss in the first place. Because with more players missing it will essentially be full of Pakistan domestic players and IPL discards, retirees like Pollard. When you couple with poor coverage/ pitches/commentary/ facilities it will be utterly dwarfed by IPL. This is why it is not a good idea. This is why they won't even contemplate on this. PSL is a good model for PCB for what its worth. Their best bet is to find a slot where they have no clash with other international, league assignemnts. That is the smart way.

 

[Bewal Express]

Maybe you don't but people do watch it

Today every cricket channel around the world were broadcasting IPL over an international match between Pakistan vs newzealand

Give me stats bro. As far as I know PKs and Inds watch, but that bit is obvious. Who watches outside the desi diaspora? Any stats?

 

[daytrader]

This quality measurement is strawman argument. Nobody will even bother do discuss in the first place. Because with more players missing it will essentially be full of Pakistan domestic players and IPL discards, retirees like Pollard. When you couple with poor coverage/ pitches/commentary/ facilities it will be utterly dwarfed by IPL. This is why it is not a good idea. This is why they won't even contemplate on this. PSL is a good model for PCB for what its worth. Their best bet is to find a slot where they have no clash with other international, league assignemnts. That is the smart way.

It's not about quality. It's about most foreign cricketers being available for Franchises. Since the IPL has a dedicated window, PSL can also use this time effectively as there's little international cricket going on. Not many players would give up national duty to play in the PSL but if they're already off and haven't been selected in IPL than they'll be more enticed to play in the PSL possibly for a shorter duration. PSL should do its best to bring foreigners even if it's for 1-2 games a season.

And if both the leagues are happening at the same time the international audience can follow both and there would be comparisons made.

 

[Bewal Express]

IPL is the premiership version of cricket everyone around the world watches it

Maybe leave the marketing hype behind and talk facts.
Around the World means what? Cricket is played in the SC and 5 other countries. Additionally, it is played by desis in another 7 or 8 countries. How does that count as the World.