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Saud has had some on-and-off times. He looked pretty nervous yesterday and got out to a beautiful setup from Rabada. I hope he comes good in 2nd inning.
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yep his technique is better but I think Kamran is more settled in white ball atm. I will not move his away for Saud who sometimes look a mental midget against pace.Technically he's a much better batsmen than kamran
I definetly would like to see him in odi and t20 teams and develop his game
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A fighting fifty from Saud Shakeel on Day 1 of the 1st Test against West Indies - it is his 9th fifty in Test cricket.
Why???!Keep this leech away from white ball plz.
Who’s position is he robbing???He is another parchii saying this since day 1, Pakistan robbing a deserving player by holding on to these referrals
I can find your old posts where you got it wrong. The problem is that I dont have time.Why???!
The problem is, you will always be clueless.I can find your old posts where you got it wrong. The problem is that I dont have time.
Saud has been in my good books for a while now and I have also been supporting his inclusion in ODIs for the no.4 spot. Not sure what more do you want.
Should we not get fooled by his performances?Saud is a complete failure an excuse of a batsman, Saim Ayub with his solitary 33 has shown more promise than Saud in 6 innings drop him FGS don't get fooled by his FTB performance
Should we not get fooled by his performances?
Uh hoooIn Aus, SA 5 Tests 213 runs @ 21.3
A fighting fifty from Saud Shakeel on Day 1 of the 1st Test against West Indies - it is his 9th fifty in Test cricket.
I hope.he takes over Shan MasoodUh hooo
Agenda uss waqt nahi chala![]()
No you don’t. Why do you lie so casually? No fear of God?I hope.he takes over Shan Masood
"Verily, the reward of deeds depends on the intentions, and each person will be rewarded according to what he intended".No you don’t. Why do you lie so casually? No fear of God?
You have correct intentions to see Shan fail? God will reward you for those intentions?"Verily, the reward of deeds depends on the intentions, and each person will be rewarded according to what he intended".
Trust me
I want Shan to succeed but unfortunately he is not moving ahead , still hopeful we will win this seriesYou have correct intentions to see Shan fail? God will reward you for those intentions?
@mominsaigol @emranabbas @topspin @shaz619I want Shan to succeed but unfortunately he is not moving ahead , still hopeful we will win this series
No lol, I don't even like shan and I'm still calling cap on that@mominsaigol @emranabbas @topspin @shaz619
Do you think this guy is telling the truth here? He wants Shan to succeed apparently?
Far better than Azhar Ali and Shafiq. He is in the same league as Younis Khan. Deserves to play 100 Tests but won’t happen for obvious reasons.
There is class
And then there is SAUD CLASS
Is there any class like Saud Class?
It’s classic Pakistani cricket to go through ODIs without a batter of Saud Shakeel’s caliber and have the audacity to overlook him, despite one of the most brittle batting lineups under pressure. This is a player who’s Babar’s senior and should already have 10-15 ODI tons by now.Best player of spin in the world right now
I have being pushing for Saud to play ODIs at #4 for a while now. The Pakistan middle-order in ODIs is one specialist batsman shot. Rizwan should drop to #5.It’s classic Pakistani cricket to go through ODIs without a batter of Saud Shakeel’s caliber and have the audacity to overlook him, despite one of the most brittle batting lineups under pressure. This is a player who’s Babar’s senior and should already have 10-15 ODI tons by now.
I have being pushing for Saud to play ODIs at #4 for a while now. The Pakistan middle-order in ODIs is one specialist batsman shot. Rizwan should drop to #5.
Ghulam does not belong in the first team unless he is ready to compete for a finisher role with Niazi.
He's too slow for modern ODI Cricket.It’s classic Pakistani cricket to go through ODIs without a batter of Saud Shakeel’s caliber and have the audacity to overlook him, despite one of the most brittle batting lineups under pressure. This is a player who’s Babar’s senior and should already have 10-15 ODI tons by now.
Biggest myth. It appears that way because he’s the only batter we have who has a strong defensive technique and he plays test cricket like it should be.He's too slow for modern ODI Cricket.
I think the general idea is that with batsmen like Babar, Rizwan and Abdullah, there is no room for another orthodox batsman who can play long innings.Aligned! But how is this even a question?
Didn’t the current coach and chief selector already dismiss Shakeel last year as unsuitable for white-ball cricket because of his “nazuk hath” and small physique?
I think you’re right about the strategy.I think the general idea is that with batsmen like Babar, Rizwan and Abdullah, there is no room for another orthodox batsman who can play long innings.
However, Abdullah will be out for a while after his recent flop and Fakhar is likely to be back in the mix.
Fakhar, Saim, Agha and Niazi/Ghulam is enough firepower for ODI cricket in my opinion. All these players are capable of batting at 120+ SR but there are also prone to collapsing and then it will come down to Babar and Rizwan who are infallible either.
Pakistan can do with another proper batsman in the middle-order and the fact that he is lefty is an added advantage.
Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
Ghulam/Niazi
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf
Abrar
I think this is a top ODI team that is fully capable of going all the way in the CT. I’m not too keen on having Rauf and Abrar but there are not many alternatives, and Rizwan has shown that he can utilize them.
Even if Saim is not fit for the CT, this should be the way forward in ODIs. For the CT, you can bring Imam back.
Aqib needs to put aside his Lahore Qalandars agenda when picking players for Pakistan. I have no doubt in my mind that Saud would have been a mainstay in white ball cricket as well under Aqib had he played for Qalandars.I think you’re right about the strategy.
But here's the thing—KG and Agha are also “orthodox” batters based on their domestic records, yet they got the nod over Saud Shakeel for the middle order in ODIs. Why? Well, Aqib Javed seems to trust their power game more.
I honestly think Saud’s power-hitting is seriously underrated. The guy’s only played one full PSL season, hit 15 sixes, and piled on runs at a 142 strike rate. But Aqib, in classic fashion, questioned his 2023 World Cup spot, saying Saud’s small frame makes it hard for him to clear boundaries. Seems a bit harsh, doesn’t it? I doubt he will get selected for the CT, which is a big disgrace.
As for the team strategy, I’m mostly on board with your take on where our ODI side is headed and the playing XI. But here’s the thing I’m not sold on: going without a fifth specialist bowler in white-ball cricket, especially in flat Asian conditions.
I don’t trust this attack against stronger batting lineups. I really think Pakistan should look at someone like Sajid Khan or Nauman Ali for that No. 7 spot. Their batting is no worse than the scam “allrounder” Shadab, but unlike him, they’re not scammers with the ball. These guys have got great control and will provide a genuine wicket-taking option, especially against SENA teams and are no mugs with the bat. One of the two should be a lock.
Don't need solid defense on flat Pakistani wickets in odiBiggest myth. It appears that way because he’s the only batter we have who has a strong defensive technique and he plays test cricket like it should be.
In PSL, his strike rate last season was 140+ as an opener and hit 15 sixes, which was only less than Saim Ayub’s.
Take your notepad out and note it down. I am taking a screenshot.Don't need solid defense on flat Pakistani wickets in odi
lol only 2? These numpties can collapse anytime anywhere even from winning positions. You can’t take anything for granted. Yes you can put Saud in there. Or you can wait for others/newbies to put their hand up. Tough choice really but I’d hate to see short term thinking. We already have that in the bowling (not enough fast bowlers being developed) we shouldn’t do that in batting (Odi)Take your notepad out and note it down. I am taking a screenshot.
Pakistan team will have at least 2 collapses in CT.
lol! Our batting is worse under pressure and does worse when stakes are high. There are no guarantees, but you just can’t overlook a solid batter like Saud in ODI cricket.lol only 2? These numpties can collapse anytime anywhere even from winning positions. You can’t take anything for granted. Yes you can put Saud in there. Or you can wait for others/newbies to put their hand up. Tough choice really but I’d hate to see short term thinking. We already have that in the bowling (not enough fast bowlers being developed) we shouldn’t do that in batting (Odi)
I completely agree with you. But this is even more of a reason why Saud should only be an occasional Odi player. Like Babar. It’s exactly these tough runs that Saud, Babar and and Kg need. But ODI are exactly the format where KG, saim, salman abudullah, imam etc should establish themselves in tough long situations otherwise we will never develop depth in squad.lol! Our batting is worse under pressure and does worse when stakes are high. There are no guarantees, but you just can’t overlook a solid batter like Saud in ODI cricket.
Fifty overs is a long time. Sure, everyone remembers Travis Head’s blitz in the World Cup final, but let’s not forget the role Labuschagne played at the end. His technique was crucial when it mattered, wasn’t it?
ODI cricket is not just wham bam thank you mam. It’s a format that requires you to play off good spells and apply yourself.
Yup! That’s an excellent point.I completely agree with you. But this is even more of a reason why Saud should only be an occasional Odi player. Like Babar. It’s exactly these tough runs that Saud, Babar and and Kg need. But ODI are exactly the format where KG, saim, salman abudullah, imam etc should establish themselves in tough long situations otherwise we will never develop depth in squad.
There is a fundamental flaw in Pak cricket. Short term thinking where we become over reliant on a couple of players. And then these players become complacent without pressure for spots.
I’ve enjoyed your posts lately. They are thoughtful and well argued.Yup! That’s an excellent point.
Saud deserves a shot in ODIs. He can actually play the innovative game, although you wouldn’t expect that seeing him bat like turtle in Tests.I’ve enjoyed your posts lately. They are thoughtful and well argued.
The main problem Pak and many other nations have had in the last 10 years or so is that they play few or at least meaningful ODI’s so players are not able to bridge the gap from Mickey Mouse t20’s and poor domestic cricket to international standard tests.
Add to that Pak play only about 10 tests compared to about 18-20 for England, India and Australia and you can see why our player development is so poor. Add to that Pak since about 2007 have had 11 players who play all formats. This has to change at least in batting first. More tri nation cups would be good but we def already play a good amount of ODI’s.
To do that we have a choice. There are certain players not quite good enough yet for tests ie they need to work on their skills and temperament and then need to be tested in pressure situations. Odi’s provide an opportunity to do just that. Saim, abdullah, imam, KG, and countless others need to demonstrate they have the skills to survive and press on in winning situations. If they can do this for 10-20 overs they are well on the way to becoming test players.
You mentioned Marnus Lab but we don’t need to go so far just look at Odi specialists like Bevan. Nudging , nurdling, converting ones into two. These are all skills our batters need to expand.
Unfortunately the other side is also true. We don’t play enough tests so Babar and Saud can’t be just test specialists as they would only play about 10 matches a year. And if some of those are washed out they will be devoid of match practice. This is awful for their game and you can see why test specialists like Azhar Ali or even Shan always look less assured when they first start test match.
So Saud being one of the best test players needs to be kept sharp and hungry while we bring in others to continuously work on whatever skills their coaches tell them to work on. They can only do so much in domestic but they can’t also be overwhelmed in tests too soon.
Can bring in khushdil in the mix at 7 too. I think he isnt that bad a shout in odis and was okay for odis. He can also bowl under rizwan captaincyI think the general idea is that with batsmen like Babar, Rizwan and Abdullah, there is no room for another orthodox batsman who can play long innings.
However, Abdullah will be out for a while after his recent flop and Fakhar is likely to be back in the mix.
Fakhar, Saim, Agha and Niazi/Ghulam is enough firepower for ODI cricket in my opinion. All these players are capable of batting at 120+ SR but there are also prone to collapsing and then it will come down to Babar and Rizwan who are infallible either.
Pakistan can do with another proper batsman in the middle-order and the fact that he is lefty is an added advantage.
Saim
Fakhar
Babar
Saud
Rizwan
Agha
Ghulam/Niazi
Shaheen
Naseem
Rauf
Abrar
I think this is a top ODI team that is fully capable of going all the way in the CT. I’m not too keen on having Rauf and Abrar but there are not many alternatives, and Rizwan has shown that he can utilize them.
Even if Saim is not fit for the CT, this should be the way forward in ODIs. For the CT, you can bring Imam back.
Thanks sir. I completely agree with your analysisI’ve enjoyed your posts lately. They are thoughtful and well argued.
The main problem Pak and many other nations have had in the last 10 years or so is that they play few or at least meaningful ODI’s so players are not able to bridge the gap from Mickey Mouse t20’s and poor domestic cricket to international standard tests.
Add to that Pak play only about 10 tests compared to about 18-20 for England, India and Australia and you can see why our player development is so poor. Add to that Pak since about 2007 have had 11 players who play all formats. This has to change at least in batting first. More tri nation cups would be good but we def already play a good amount of ODI’s.
To do that we have a choice. There are certain players not quite good enough yet for tests ie they need to work on their skills and temperament and then need to be tested in pressure situations. Odi’s provide an opportunity to do just that. Saim, abdullah, imam, KG, and countless others need to demonstrate they have the skills to survive and press on in winning situations. If they can do this for 10-20 overs they are well on the way to becoming test players.
You mentioned Marnus Lab but we don’t need to go so far just look at Odi specialists like Bevan. Nudging , nurdling, converting ones into two. These are all skills our batters need to expand.
Unfortunately the other side is also true. We don’t play enough tests so Babar and Saud can’t be just test specialists as they would only play about 10 matches a year. And if some of those are washed out they will be devoid of match practice. This is awful for their game and you can see why test specialists like Azhar Ali or even Shan always look less assured when they first start test match.
So Saud being one of the best test players needs to be kept sharp and hungry while we bring in others to continuously work on whatever skills their coaches tell them to work on. They can only do so much in domestic but they can’t also be overwhelmed in tests too soon.
It would be a waste but I think there is a window in the uk summer where a quick series in Ireland or Zimbabwe can be arranged. In all honesty the psl takes us up to may then between may and November series can be arranged.Thanks sir. I completely agree with your analysis
The problem is that we don’t even play 10 test matches, we play 5-6.
The next test assignment is after 10 months. We only have 3 more test matches this year.
This means Saud Shakeel will get at best 10 days of international cricket. What a waste!
Criminal to not include him in odiGreat against Spin
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Not a good shot at all.Played a stupid shot to get out for 32 against windies in the 2nd Test match
He was looking goo until he played that unnecessary flick off Warrican but a good catch from Roach also
He has played great knocks in his test career.Man what is this joke? Saud Shakeel got out after scoring 13 at the start of Day 3 of the second Test against the West Indies. Why doesn’t he have that match-winning element to single-handedly turn the game around?
Aqib needs to put aside his Lahore Qalandars agenda when picking players for Pakistan. I have no doubt in my mind that Saud would have been a mainstay in white ball cricket as well under Aqib had he played for Qalandars.
Aqib is probably not happy to see him in Tests either but he can’t do much because Saud picks himself in this format. He has been Pakistan’s best Test batsman by a country mile since his debut.
I don’t have a problem with Ghulam. He is a respectable player and should be first standby whenever the likes of Babar and Saud are unavailable, but there is no way he should be playing ahead of Saud in ODIs.
Regarding selecting a bowling all-rounder for #7 instead of Niazi or Ghulam, that is also a good idea, but the way Salman bowled in South Africa was very impressive. Yes they are circumspect vs spin, but he bowled beautifully and didn’t look like a part-time option.
If Pakistan can get more out of his bowling in the next year or so, not only would he establish himself as one of the top all-rounders in the game, it will also allow Pakistan to beef up their batting by playing an additional batsman.
However, the likes of Nauman and Sajid can definitely be utilized at #7. They are no mugs with the bat, they are mentally strong and there is no reason why they should be pigeon-holed as Test specialists.
Both are quite old and Pakistan don’t play enough Tests. Get the most out of them before time flies by and they fade away.
Yep. His failure against Windies was bad. He should have scored some runs like he did in 1st inning only. He was supposed to be the best batter against spin but he failed badly.Saud shakeel highly regarded as asisan bradman , he has to live with the hype. Need to score big in next WTC cycle
He is not good. He is a terrible player with lousy technique and chicken mentality.Yep. His failure against Windies was bad. He should have scored some runs like he did in 1st inning only. He was supposed to be the best batter against spin but he failed badly.
He plays spin fine. But he is mentally weak IMO. He should have done better job in this series.He is not good. He is a terrible player with lousy technique and chicken mentality.
He is a chicken and should be kicked out.
Drop Imam / Abdullah and play Babar Adam opener.
That will open up the middle order so Kamran, Saud and Rizwan, Salman can all play at 3, 4, 5 and 6
Yes Abdullah and Imam will get the short end of the stick. But Fakhar is unreliable and may retire shortly anyway so they will likely get more chances soon.
Also playing Sajid at 7 will only work on UAE pitches if we are chasing less than 300. Otherwise we just won’t have the batting to chase 300+ on Pakistani pitches if Sajid and Shaheen are our “all-rounders” at 7 and 8…
Proving to be a liability in ODIs so far... another failure for him against New Zealand
8 off 14 balls for him today...
Too late, no changes to CT squad unless somebody fakes an injury but the faking will be checked so it's unlikely.no point keeping him in the playing 11 with such awful stats.. better to pick any proper opener in that case i will go with imam and replace with Babar at the opening slot and bring Babar to his normal batting position at number 3
Rizwan knows this art quite well i am sure he will help khushdil and faheem to do this honours lolToo late, no changes to CT squad unless somebody fakes an injury but the faking will be checked so it's unlikely.
Abhi tak teri tassali nahi hui lagta hai?There is Test class and then there is Saud Class.
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Saud is a quality test batter but hasn't kicked off in odi's which is fine. He still deserves to be in the odi squad because atm Pakistan stocks are dry and pcb never bothered to actually nurture proper white-ball talent.There is Test class and then there is Saud Class.
Kese kese log ha![]()