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Both Abdullah and Saud have timid mentality and even if they can score runs on flat tracks it's better to only one of them in the playing XI.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Saud Shakeel is just an over hyped player better give a chance to someone else who is waiting in the que.
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No saud is a fantastic player just needs a bit of time to develop. Pak don’t have the luxury of playing lots of tests and our cricketing structures are awful compared to other countries. Takes time. Be patient.
 
I think people are being too harsh on him. He’s probably been our best batsman in tests in recent years. In ODIs he’s massively underperformed, but in tests he’s done well. One bad series or two doesn’t change that.
 
Sweep shot, 4 and he gets to his 50.

8th fifty for the vice captain.

Good inning. Should not thro his wicket away here.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Saud Shakeel is just an over hyped player better give a chance to someone else who is waiting in the que.
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There is nobody else! Don’t you see that these t20 players can’t become test players overnight and even still players need about 10 tests to find their feet. The opposition work them out quickly so they must adapt. Saud is a fantastic player give him time.
 
What a fighting knock this is..

4th Test hundred for Saud. He never looked off against Spin. Birlliant
 
Mamoon said:
A proper Test player who is more than good enough for Pakistan. He gets excessive criticism. I personally think he has been outstanding so far.
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Exactly, he does get excessive criticism.

In the subcontinent, he has traces of Bradman in him.
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Exactly, he does get excessive criticism.

In the subcontinent, he has traces of Bradman in him.
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He would end his career with a 45-50 average with 15+ centuries but apparently that isn’t good enough for a team like Pakistan. Madness.
 
His best innings in a while doesn’t mean he should not be called for his inconsistency and softness past 1 year hopefully he was just having second season blues and this knock gets him back on track for a good next 5 -6 years Pakistan needs a solid lefty in the middle order
 
Former Pakistan cricketer Bazid Khan on Sky Sports:

"He [Saud] is fabulous. Once he's come into Test cricket, he's always played spin very well.

"He's sort of a throwback, a traditional left-hander... and he has this ability to pick length, manoeuvre the ball.

"At no stage did it feel like he was under pressure."
 
Saud played a brilliant innings on a challenging pitch, making batting look effortless despite the conditions. While wickets kept falling at the other end, he remained composed and focused. I rate this innings very highly, what a player!
 
He has a chance to really put the foot down, knock the bowlers off. Extra 20 singles instead of which 40-50?
 
Has ended up playing one of the best innings ever in Pakistans Test History. Gem of a player.
 
Really I don’t understand some fans on here. Saud is a fabulous player of spin has lovely shots and temperament. I think he has improved his power game but aside from that he rotates the strike beautifully. He won’t succeed every time especially against pace but he will learn.

Babar will return. Rizwan is ok. Salman is very good so this is a solid middle order. Why the constant moaning that somebody isn’t as good as so and so. It’s not a zero sum game it’s a team game. They all have to pull their weight. Look how Saud dragged this innings by the ears into a healthy lead. Great test cricket. Gave confidence to the lower order to go for their shots.
 
Abid Z said:
Really I don’t understand some fans on here. Saud is a fabulous player of spin has lovely shots and temperament. I think he has improved his power game but aside from that he rotates the strike beautifully. He won’t succeed every time especially against pace but he will learn.

Babar will return. Rizwan is ok. Salman is very good so this is a solid middle order. Why the constant moaning that somebody isn’t as good as so and so. It’s not a zero sum game it’s a team game. They all have to pull their weight. Look how Saud dragged this innings by the ears into a healthy lead. Great test cricket. Gave confidence to the lower order to go for their shots.
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very well said
 
He needs to do something about his game vs pace especially the short pitched bouncers in the body and outside off stump. He was a sitting duck in Australia. He is a sitting duck in Asia against 140 km/hr pace. He is not going to enjoy any spinners in South Africa. South Africa is even tougher than Australia because you have to deal with both pace, bounce and seam
 
Xoib said:
His best innings in a while doesn’t mean he should not be called for his inconsistency and softness past 1 year hopefully he was just having second season blues and this knock gets him back on track for a good next 5 -6 years Pakistan needs a solid lefty in the middle order
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Prior to this innings, he averaged 53 in 14 Tests. What inconsistency?

If he keeps this up for another 30-40 Tests he will write his name amongst the greats of Pakistan cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Prior to this innings, he averaged 53 in 14 Tests. What inconsistency?

If he keeps this up for another 30-40 Tests he will write his name amongst the greats of Pakistan cricket.
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His overall record is still very good but he has been a thunderstorm or famine type player I think in Australia he averaged around 10 then in BD series he averaged 44 with 161 coming in 1 innings followed by 3 failures I hope we see more today type innings from him
 
Savak said:
He needs to do something about his game vs pace especially the short pitched bouncers in the body and outside off stump. He was a sitting duck in Australia. He is a sitting duck in Asia against 140 km/hr pace. He is not going to enjoy any spinners in South Africa. South Africa is even tougher than Australia because you have to deal with both pace, bounce and seam
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Let’s get past this series first. No doubt he has to improve in SENA but lots of our best batsmen have failed there also so he will be in good company. Turn it on its head and you will see even Root looked a little silly against our spin but nobody will say he’s a bad player of spin. A batter is not made or unmade just in one or two series they establish their credentials over a period of time we just have to be patient.

Make no mistake this was a potential series defining century and what comes next will be even more significant. England will get a lead of around hundred and a jittery chase will follow. What will get Pak over the line is not T20 type shots but exactly the kind of nudge and nurdle cricket that Saud is displaying. There’s 3 days to go and a series on the line. SOUTH AFRICA CAN WAIT.
 
Savak said:
He needs to do something about his game vs pace especially the short pitched bouncers in the body and outside off stump. He was a sitting duck in Australia. He is a sitting duck in Asia against 140 km/hr pace. He is not going to enjoy any spinners in South Africa. South Africa is even tougher than Australia because you have to deal with both pace, bounce and seam
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Saud is not the only one who struggles with pace, you can drop the entire line up if we want to go there. You don’t really have any batsman who deal with pace supremely well and please don’t say Babar. And you didn’t have any players who can handle spin supremely well, but now, Saud could potentially be that guy and somebody who can keep his composure under the pump. Sure, there is room for improvement; but beggars can’t be choosers.
 
Xoib said:
His overall record is still very good but he has been a thunderstorm or famine type player I think in Australia he averaged around 10 then in BD series he averaged 44 with 161 coming in 1 innings followed by 3 failures I hope we see more today type innings from him
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Your expectations are too high. Look at BROOK. 300 then nothing Look at Root 200 and nothing. Look at Ducket 100 and very little. This is international cricket. You might do ok in one match but struggle in others it’s normal but you expect the other batters to also contribute. Look at Younis khan and yousaf as a comparison. Often they would make a 100 and then nothing else (I mean yousufs monster series in uk in 2006 or younis 2204/5 v India being the exceptions). In very challenging series if you get 1 century and a few 30’s you take that.
 
Saud is a good player and people are just mad he didn't do well in Australia.

Those same people will make excuses for Rizwan avg 19 on home soil againat England in a series Pakistan is actually winning and not getting whitewashed like they did in aus.
 
Abid Z said:
Your expectations are too high. Look at BROOK. 300 then nothing Look at Root 200 and nothing. Look at Ducket 100 and very little. This is international cricket. You might do ok in one match but struggle in others it’s normal but you expect the other batters to also contribute. Look at Younis khan and yousaf as a comparison. Often they would make a 100 and then nothing else (I mean yousufs monster series in uk in 2006 or younis 2204/5 v India being the exceptions). In very challenging series if you get 1 century and a few 30’s you take that.
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Amazing and thought provoking reminders provided here. If players were scoring several hundreds every series, everyone would be the GOAT.
 
Barragan said:
He is a solid Test batsman.

I'm sure he will definitely learn from this and comeback stronger.

His ODI outing in the WC shouldn't put doubts on him as a Test batsman because he shouldn't have even been selected for the 50 over format.
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This is what I said after the knives were out for him and there were calls for him to be dropped after Aus series

Once again proven right and he has played a potential series winning knock
 
Michael Atherton while speaking on local English media broadcast post Day 2 of third Test between Pakistan and England:

“Saud Shakeel played a fantastic innings. All along we’ve said there are runs to be had on this surface. But they are not easy runs, you’ve got to be very clear in your thinking and strategy."

"He got one life on 26 but after that he did not give away another chance. He was excellent in defence, playing forward, and then he chose his options wisely in attack. He knocked it around when the gaps were there to be had, manoeuvring the ball through the gaps."

"A beautiful innings.”
 
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BouncerGuy said:
What a fighting knock this is..

4th Test hundred for Saud. He never looked off against Spin. Birlliant
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Saud Shakeel's 134-run innings in first innings in third Test against England had a remarkably low boundary percentage, with just 14.93% of his runs coming from fours (5 boundaries). This achievement ranks as the second-lowest boundary percentage by a Pakistani batter in a Test innings of 100+ runs.

Notably, Mohsin Khan holds the record for the lowest boundary percentage, scoring only 11.53% of his runs from boundaries against England in Lahore in 1984.
 
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FearlessRoar said:
Saud Shakeel's 134-run innings in first innings in third Test against England had a remarkably low boundary percentage, with just 14.93% of his runs coming from fours (5 boundaries). This achievement ranks as the second-lowest boundary percentage by a Pakistani batter in a Test innings of 100+ runs.

Notably, Mohsin Khan holds the record for the lowest boundary percentage, scoring only 11.53% of his runs from boundaries against England in Lahore in 1984.
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After playing a crucial role in Pakistan's win over England, Saud Shakeel has entered the top 10 for the first time, jumping 20 places to 7th position in the the latest ICC Test Batter ranking after scoring a match-winning 134 in the Rawalpindi Test
 
Rana said:
Saud Class

Aint no class like Saud’s class
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I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.

Clear error by Aaqib.
 
gazza619 said:
I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.

Clear error by Aaqib.
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He'd been crap in odi, but gun in tests.

But the shocking thing is, Abdullah and hasebullah got selected lol. And rizzu got made captain
 
gazza619 said:
I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.

Clear error by Aaqib.
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I think it was between Saud and Kamran for one position.
 
mominsaigol said:
He'd been crap in odi, but gun in tests.

But the shocking thing is, Abdullah and hasebullah got selected lol. And rizzu got made captain
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Whilst I agree with you that Abdullah and Haseebullah should not be part of the squad but they are both openers and Saud and Kamran are middle order batters.
 
shamaan said:
Whilst I agree with you that Abdullah and Haseebullah should not be part of the squad but they are both openers and Saud and Kamran are middle order batters.
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Okay and? Neither of these 2 were the best openers of that cup either?

They were pathetic
 
Kamran ghulam is worse than saud shakeel he too can't play pace .

Don't see why saud should be dropped from the odi squad since there are dubious names like Abdullah , haseebullah , tayyab tahir who have been selected in Australia, Zimbabwe tours is saud really worse than those ?
 
mazkhan said:
Kamran ghulam is worse than saud shakeel he too can't play pace .

Don't see why saud should be dropped from the odi squad since there are dubious names like Abdullah , haseebullah , tayyab tahir who have been selected in Australia, Zimbabwe tours is saud really worse than those ?
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How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?

Infact the only 2 people outperforming KG in List A atm are sharjeel Khan and Usman Khan?

And he's played pacers many times before.
 
I would personally play him at 4 in ODIs with Rizwan slotting in at 5 and Agha at 6.
 
mominsaigol said:
How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?

Infact the only 2 people outperforming KG in List A atm are sharjeel Khan and Usman Khan?

And he's played pacers many times before.
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I rate saud as well.

But I do think Kamran Ghulam is better atm. However saud has a higher ceiling, he's more innovative and free flow.
 
And with champions trophy being main target a d played in home conditions made even more sense to include him so he could tackle spin easily in middle overs.
 
Saud was struggling in India and then in Champions Cup as well. He was bound to be dropped.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Saud was struggling in India and then in Champions Cup as well. He was bound to be dropped.
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Yes but that's not what most people are arguing.

If Hasebullah, Abdullah shafiq can male the squad despite amounting to zero in that very cup and rizzu gets captaincy then Saud easily warrants a place.

Regardless injustice hasn't been done to saud. It's been done to Usman Khan and Tayyab tahir as they have 2 wannabee farighs in the squad( Abdullah and Hasebullah) over them.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yes but that's not what most people are arguing.

If Hasebullah, Abdullah shafiq can male the squad despite amounting to zero in that very cup and rizzu gets captaincy then Saud easily warrants a place.

Regardless injustice hasn't been done to saud. It's been done to Usman Khan and Tayyab tahir as they have 2 wannabee farighs in the squad( Abdullah and Hasebullah) over them.
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That is a fair point. Abdullah and Haseeb have solid parchis I guess otherwise there is not reason for them to be in the squad.
 
Abid Z said:
No saud is a fantastic player just needs a bit of time to develop. Pak don’t have the luxury of playing lots of tests and our cricketing structures are awful compared to other countries. Takes time. Be patient.
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I think Saud needs another 7-8 years to develop :)

He is all at sea when facing the short ball, no clue when the ball starts swinging..
 
Should Saud Shakeel be included in the 50-over squad as well? Which player could he potentially replace in the squad?
 
gazza619 said:
Well Saud can easily adapt as an opener.

Thats the issue. We select players for batting positions rather than just pick the best players.
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But then what happens if he fails as a opener we all know what excuses he will give.
 
shamaan said:
I think it was between Saud and Kamran for one position.
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Well I will definitely go with Saud as he is more technically sound.

The way Kamran got out on the bouncer in last game, I don't think he will perform well in any match against Australia.
 
shamaan said:
But then what happens if he fails as a opener we all know what excuses he will give.
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Well in principle you got to give chances to your best players. If they fail, they fail.

Saud is a better player than Abdullah hands down.
 
mominsaigol said:
How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?

Infact the only 2 people outperforming KG in List A atm are sharjeel Khan and Usman Khan?

And he's played pacers many times before.
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How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.
 
Just lies after lies by Sharjeel supporters. I am copy/pasting my comment from the Pak/Aus ODI thread where they were blabbering on and on about Sharjeel there too. I have observed that these are just stubborn attention seeking people (clique) who just want to go against common sense no matter how many facts you present to them.

All the rona dhona by the usual suspects about Sharjeej though I doubt they even follow what he's been doing. He failed in the NT20 where he only scored against the school cricket level sides in the first round but failed miserable once the more established sides came into the second round. Then he played the even lower quality Sindh league where he failed again aginst gully mohalla level bowlers and then even in the recent retired unkals championship he failed more often than not, yet somehow he will magically beat Australia into submission.

The delusion of these people is unbelievable. They complain and derail each thread by saying that people only play their favourites yet their answers are over the hill fatsos who don't even have the will power or ambition to get in shape to play like of Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. Maybe Sharjeel, UA etc should see how much these groupies have faith on them here and maybe they will have some ghairat and shame and maybe improve their fitness at least, so they can be contenders for the team till they reach 50.
 
G0rmintAunty said:
How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.
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But he performed over a year ago so he should be selected. How cares about his recent scores they only apply to players who we dislike.
 
G0rmintAunty said:
Just lies after lies by Sharjeel supporters. I am copy/pasting my comment from the Pak/Aus ODI thread where they were blabbering on and on about Sharjeel there too. I have observed that these are just stubborn attention seeking people (clique) who just want to go against common sense no matter how many facts you present to them.

All the rona dhona by the usual suspects about Sharjeej though I doubt they even follow what he's been doing. He failed in the NT20 where he only scored against the school cricket level sides in the first round but failed miserable once the more established sides came into the second round. Then he played the even lower quality Sindh league where he failed again aginst gully mohalla level bowlers and then even in the recent retired unkals championship he failed more often than not, yet somehow he will magically beat Australia into submission.

The delusion of these people is unbelievable. They complain and derail each thread by saying that people only play their favourites yet their answers are over the hill fatsos who don't even have the will power or ambition to get in shape to play like of Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. Maybe Sharjeel, UA etc should see how much these groupies have faith on them here and maybe they will have some ghairat and shame and maybe improve their fitness at least, so they can be contenders for the team till they reach 50.
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Great post calling out there lies.
 
gazza619 said:
Well in principle you got to give chances to your best players. If they fail, they fail.

Saud is a better player than Abdullah hands down.
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I dont disagree that Saud is better but I dont agree with him oppening.
 
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Cricket Warrior said:
Well I will definitely go with Saud as he is more technically sound.

The way Kamran got out on the bouncer in last game, I don't think he will perform well in any match against Australia.
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That bouncer was unplayable.Batting at 5 you dont really need technical sound players.
 
G0rmintAunty said:
How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.
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He had a poor cup, but everyone knows why he wasn't chosen for the champions cup, the whole fitness nonsense is bull.

Saad wasn't chosen and he's fitter then everyone in the unit atm.
 
mominsaigol said:
He had a poor cup, but everyone knows why he wasn't chosen for the champions cup, the whole fitness nonsense is bull.

Saad wasn't chosen and he's fitter then everyone in the unit atm.
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Usually I would agree that "fitness issues" are an excuse to drop an out of favour player..

In Sharjeel's case, he is extremely unfit (a close second behind Azam Khan)... and on top he cannot play... not sure what good bringing back tried and tested failures will do..
 
He should be opening instead . He will be better than Saim and Abdullah especially in Asian conditions.
 
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