Muhammad Saad
ODI Debutant
- Joined
- Jul 9, 2006
- Runs
- 9,040
Both Abdullah and Saud have timid mentality and even if they can score runs on flat tracks it's better to only one of them in the playing XI.
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No saud is a fantastic player just needs a bit of time to develop. Pak don’t have the luxury of playing lots of tests and our cricketing structures are awful compared to other countries. Takes time. Be patient.Saud Shakeel is just an over hyped player better give a chance to someone else who is waiting in the que.
There is nobody else! Don’t you see that these t20 players can’t become test players overnight and even still players need about 10 tests to find their feet. The opposition work them out quickly so they must adapt. Saud is a fantastic player give him time.Saud Shakeel is just an over hyped player better give a chance to someone else who is waiting in the que.
Genius.He is rubbish and goes under the radar here because others are also failing around him.
Mentally weak kitten who will never score runs when it matters.
This didn’t age well…Saud Shakeel is just an over hyped player better give a chance to someone else who is waiting in the que.
ExactlyA proper Test player who is more than good enough for Pakistan. He gets excessive criticism. I personally think he has been outstanding so far.
Exactly, he does get excessive criticism.A proper Test player who is more than good enough for Pakistan. He gets excessive criticism. I personally think he has been outstanding so far.
He would end his career with a 45-50 average with 15+ centuries but apparently that isn’t good enough for a team like Pakistan. Madness.Exactly, he does get excessive criticism.
In the subcontinent, he has traces of Bradman in him.
Unreal, too many players have been sidelined due to "senior" egosHe would end his career with a 45-50 average with 15+ centuries but apparently that isn’t good enough for a team like Pakistan. Madness.
Credit to Saud for this knock, but he has a habit of throwing his wicket away after scoring soft runs.Genius.
very well saidReally I don’t understand some fans on here. Saud is a fabulous player of spin has lovely shots and temperament. I think he has improved his power game but aside from that he rotates the strike beautifully. He won’t succeed every time especially against pace but he will learn.
Babar will return. Rizwan is ok. Salman is very good so this is a solid middle order. Why the constant moaning that somebody isn’t as good as so and so. It’s not a zero sum game it’s a team game. They all have to pull their weight. Look how Saud dragged this innings by the ears into a healthy lead. Great test cricket. Gave confidence to the lower order to go for their shots.
Prior to this innings, he averaged 53 in 14 Tests. What inconsistency?His best innings in a while doesn’t mean he should not be called for his inconsistency and softness past 1 year hopefully he was just having second season blues and this knock gets him back on track for a good next 5 -6 years Pakistan needs a solid lefty in the middle order
His overall record is still very good but he has been a thunderstorm or famine type player I think in Australia he averaged around 10 then in BD series he averaged 44 with 161 coming in 1 innings followed by 3 failures I hope we see more today type innings from himPrior to this innings, he averaged 53 in 14 Tests. What inconsistency?
If he keeps this up for another 30-40 Tests he will write his name amongst the greats of Pakistan cricket.
Let’s get past this series first. No doubt he has to improve in SENA but lots of our best batsmen have failed there also so he will be in good company. Turn it on its head and you will see even Root looked a little silly against our spin but nobody will say he’s a bad player of spin. A batter is not made or unmade just in one or two series they establish their credentials over a period of time we just have to be patient.He needs to do something about his game vs pace especially the short pitched bouncers in the body and outside off stump. He was a sitting duck in Australia. He is a sitting duck in Asia against 140 km/hr pace. He is not going to enjoy any spinners in South Africa. South Africa is even tougher than Australia because you have to deal with both pace, bounce and seam
He needs to do something about his game vs pace especially the short pitched bouncers in the body and outside off stump. He was a sitting duck in Australia. He is a sitting duck in Asia against 140 km/hr pace. He is not going to enjoy any spinners in South Africa. South Africa is even tougher than Australia because you have to deal with both pace, bounce and seam
Your expectations are too high. Look at BROOK. 300 then nothing Look at Root 200 and nothing. Look at Ducket 100 and very little. This is international cricket. You might do ok in one match but struggle in others it’s normal but you expect the other batters to also contribute. Look at Younis khan and yousaf as a comparison. Often they would make a 100 and then nothing else (I mean yousufs monster series in uk in 2006 or younis 2204/5 v India being the exceptions). In very challenging series if you get 1 century and a few 30’s you take that.His overall record is still very good but he has been a thunderstorm or famine type player I think in Australia he averaged around 10 then in BD series he averaged 44 with 161 coming in 1 innings followed by 3 failures I hope we see more today type innings from him
Amazing and thought provoking reminders provided here. If players were scoring several hundreds every series, everyone would be the GOAT.Your expectations are too high. Look at BROOK. 300 then nothing Look at Root 200 and nothing. Look at Ducket 100 and very little. This is international cricket. You might do ok in one match but struggle in others it’s normal but you expect the other batters to also contribute. Look at Younis khan and yousaf as a comparison. Often they would make a 100 and then nothing else (I mean yousufs monster series in uk in 2006 or younis 2204/5 v India being the exceptions). In very challenging series if you get 1 century and a few 30’s you take that.
This is what I said after the knives were out for him and there were calls for him to be dropped after Aus seriesHe is a solid Test batsman.
I'm sure he will definitely learn from this and comeback stronger.
His ODI outing in the WC shouldn't put doubts on him as a Test batsman because he shouldn't have even been selected for the 50 over format.
Saud Shakeel's 134-run innings in first innings in third Test against England had a remarkably low boundary percentage, with just 14.93% of his runs coming from fours (5 boundaries). This achievement ranks as the second-lowest boundary percentage by a Pakistani batter in a Test innings of 100+ runs.What a fighting knock this is..
4th Test hundred for Saud. He never looked off against Spin. Birlliant
Saud Shakeel's 134-run innings in first innings in third Test against England had a remarkably low boundary percentage, with just 14.93% of his runs coming from fours (5 boundaries). This achievement ranks as the second-lowest boundary percentage by a Pakistani batter in a Test innings of 100+ runs.
Notably, Mohsin Khan holds the record for the lowest boundary percentage, scoring only 11.53% of his runs from boundaries against England in Lahore in 1984.
I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.Saud Class
Aint no class like Saud’s class
He'd been crap in odi, but gun in tests.I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.
Clear error by Aaqib.
he is atleast better than Abdullah and Mr. No Look so should have been picked as ur middle order is so fragile.He'd been crap in odi, but gun in tests.
But the shocking thing is, Abdullah and hasebullah got selected lol. And rizzu got made captain
I am a bit disappointed to not see his name in ODIs. Specially as the Champions Trophy is being held in Pakistan next year.
Clear error by Aaqib.
Whilst I agree with you that Abdullah and Haseebullah should not be part of the squad but they are both openers and Saud and Kamran are middle order batters.He'd been crap in odi, but gun in tests.
But the shocking thing is, Abdullah and hasebullah got selected lol. And rizzu got made captain
Okay and? Neither of these 2 were the best openers of that cup either?Whilst I agree with you that Abdullah and Haseebullah should not be part of the squad but they are both openers and Saud and Kamran are middle order batters.
But what have Abdullah & Irfan done to get selected?I think it was between Saud and Kamran for one position.
How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?Kamran ghulam is worse than saud shakeel he too can't play pace .
Don't see why saud should be dropped from the odi squad since there are dubious names like Abdullah , haseebullah , tayyab tahir who have been selected in Australia, Zimbabwe tours is saud really worse than those ?
I rate saud as well.How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?
Infact the only 2 people outperforming KG in List A atm are sharjeel Khan and Usman Khan?
And he's played pacers many times before.
4 is the position KG prefers as wellI would personally play him at 4 in ODIs with Rizwan slotting in at 5 and Agha at 6.
Would prefer Saud because I think he is a better batsman and also because it is better to have a left handed batsman in the middle order if possible.4 is the position KG prefers as well
Yes but that's not what most people are arguing.Saud was struggling in India and then in Champions Cup as well. He was bound to be dropped.
That is a fair point. Abdullah and Haseeb have solid parchis I guess otherwise there is not reason for them to be in the squad.Yes but that's not what most people are arguing.
If Hasebullah, Abdullah shafiq can male the squad despite amounting to zero in that very cup and rizzu gets captaincy then Saud easily warrants a place.
Regardless injustice hasn't been done to saud. It's been done to Usman Khan and Tayyab tahir as they have 2 wannabee farighs in the squad( Abdullah and Hasebullah) over them.
But what have Abdullah & Irfan done to get selected?
Did I say they weee the best openers of the cup ?Okay and? Neither of these 2 were the best openers of that cup either?
They were pathetic
No saud is a fantastic player just needs a bit of time to develop. Pak don’t have the luxury of playing lots of tests and our cricketing structures are awful compared to other countries. Takes time. Be patient.
Well Saud can easily adapt as an opener.Irfan will play as a finisher.Abdullah is a opener.Saud is a middle order batter
I actually think saud will make a solid opener in odis.Well Saud can easily adapt as an opener.
Thats the issue. We select players for batting positions rather than just pick the best players.
But then what happens if he fails as a opener we all know what excuses he will give.Well Saud can easily adapt as an opener.
Thats the issue. We select players for batting positions rather than just pick the best players.
Well I will definitely go with Saud as he is more technically sound.I think it was between Saud and Kamran for one position.
Well in principle you got to give chances to your best players. If they fail, they fail.But then what happens if he fails as a opener we all know what excuses he will give.
How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.How can he be worse then saud when he's been outperforming everyone in both List A and FC?
Infact the only 2 people outperforming KG in List A atm are sharjeel Khan and Usman Khan?
And he's played pacers many times before.
But he performed over a year ago so he should be selected. How cares about his recent scores they only apply to players who we dislike.How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.
Great post calling out there lies.Just lies after lies by Sharjeel supporters. I am copy/pasting my comment from the Pak/Aus ODI thread where they were blabbering on and on about Sharjeel there too. I have observed that these are just stubborn attention seeking people (clique) who just want to go against common sense no matter how many facts you present to them.
All the rona dhona by the usual suspects about Sharjeej though I doubt they even follow what he's been doing. He failed in the NT20 where he only scored against the school cricket level sides in the first round but failed miserable once the more established sides came into the second round. Then he played the even lower quality Sindh league where he failed again aginst gully mohalla level bowlers and then even in the recent retired unkals championship he failed more often than not, yet somehow he will magically beat Australia into submission.
The delusion of these people is unbelievable. They complain and derail each thread by saying that people only play their favourites yet their answers are over the hill fatsos who don't even have the will power or ambition to get in shape to play like of Sharjeel and Umar Akmal. Maybe Sharjeel, UA etc should see how much these groupies have faith on them here and maybe they will have some ghairat and shame and maybe improve their fitness at least, so they can be contenders for the team till they reach 50.
Well in principle you got to give chances to your best players. If they fail, they fail.
Saud is a better player than Abdullah hands down.
That bouncer was unplayable.Batting at 5 you dont really need technical sound players.Well I will definitely go with Saud as he is more technically sound.
The way Kamran got out on the bouncer in last game, I don't think he will perform well in any match against Australia.
He had a poor cup, but everyone knows why he wasn't chosen for the champions cup, the whole fitness nonsense is bull.How is Sharjeel outperforming in List A? He wasn't even chosen for the Champions Cup and his "performances" in the even lowlier President's Cup Grade-I last month are 0, 5, 20 and 1. Meanwhile KG in the same tournament had scores of 36, 39 and 11.
Usually I would agree that "fitness issues" are an excuse to drop an out of favour player..He had a poor cup, but everyone knows why he wasn't chosen for the champions cup, the whole fitness nonsense is bull.
Saad wasn't chosen and he's fitter then everyone in the unit atm.