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cricketjoshila
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So you expect the miscreants to confess. Reslly now.
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Go to any lawyer and ask him that if there is any law in the country that says, that the police needs permission of the VC to stop a crime from taking place or from detaining anyone alleged to have committed a crime.
University is not outside India, indian law applies to it.
Please find if there is such a law.
This is not a banana republic and thats why a university cannot claim that they are beyond the law.
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Have you listened to the slogans of Amu and Jamia?
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I think you have the wrong understanding of the issue here.
Muslims were able to win pakistan on the back of the two nation theory that postulated that Hindus and Muslims are so different they cant live together, so in a hindu majority India, after British left, we will have no future or rights. So we wanted a separate country.
Those who opposed this theory (even a lot of Muslim religious scholars of the time) claimed that India should be a united nation and can be a united nation without Muslims feeling marginalized.
So after partition, in India there was still a prevalent sentiment that the two nation theory was flawed and that more Muslims lived in Secular India and enjoyed all the rights and comforts that can be afforded to a citizen, and they are not subject to any discrimination. And this was trumpeted about for a long long time.
Well now finally, the truth is starting to come out. It is just as our leaders during the Freedom Movement predicted, Muslims are a minority and we are so different and our history with Hindus is so fraught with negativity, that we will never be on equal footing with the hindu majority.
that was my point and the whole two nation theory justification! hope that makes sense.
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Not surprised how one of Hindutva extremist on this site is defending the actions again the Jamia students.
All I got to say is, Thank you Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
All I got to say is, Thank you Quaid-e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah.
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bro that is rigged .. you better know that
sanghis & Bjp it cell always comes up with that..
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The ones tweeted by that pathetic social media terrorist Amit Malviya?
There are plenty of debunking sites online that have ripped those video claims apart.
The language used in the slogans is aggressive and quite unnecessary referencing graves. But nowhere did those Muslim students chant against Hindus. It was against Hindutva, caste and the BJP.
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Check the sanghis replies under these 2 tweets by non muslim celebrities against govt and you will understand why muslim celebrities in India mostly stay away from commenting on politics.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please say the same to BJP IT cell .. who creates propaganda about students being violent and then give excuse to the system to attack the students violently . Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> <a href="https://t.co/cgYd4eEe36">https://t.co/cgYd4eEe36</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1206555605420380166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wonder if this is a start or the end. Whatever it is, this is surely writing new rules of the land and those who don’t fit in can very well see the consequences. <br>This video breaks heart n hopes all together. Irreversible damage,and I’m not talking about just the life n property <a href="https://t.co/QGaZYpDCR6">https://t.co/QGaZYpDCR6</a></p>— taapsee pannu (@taapsee) <a href="https://twitter.com/taapsee/status/1206439859218309120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Please say the same to BJP IT cell .. who creates propaganda about students being violent and then give excuse to the system to attack the students violently . Thank you <a href="https://twitter.com/narendramodi?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@narendramodi</a> <a href="https://t.co/cgYd4eEe36">https://t.co/cgYd4eEe36</a></p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1206555605420380166?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Wonder if this is a start or the end. Whatever it is, this is surely writing new rules of the land and those who don’t fit in can very well see the consequences. <br>This video breaks heart n hopes all together. Irreversible damage,and I’m not talking about just the life n property <a href="https://t.co/QGaZYpDCR6">https://t.co/QGaZYpDCR6</a></p>— taapsee pannu (@taapsee) <a href="https://twitter.com/taapsee/status/1206439859218309120?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Those who fantasize about India with a Hindu king and his subservient subjects, remember this. Even if I dignified your bigotry (I don’t), you can't wish 200mn Muslims away. Try that and India will burn,GDP will crash and your kids will be unsafe and jobless.Stop these fantasies!</p>— Chetan Bhagat (@chetan_bhagat) <a href="https://twitter.com/chetan_bhagat/status/1206447254564827136?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This has gone too far.. can’t stay silent any longer . This government is clearly fascist .. and it makes me angry to see voices that can actually make a difference stay quiet ..</p>— Anurag Kashyap (@anuragkashyap72) <a href="https://twitter.com/anuragkashyap72/status/1206455929383731200?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Glad he spoke out completely.. he is someone who had a beef with Congress too and their censor board.
Only celeb I trust with Liberal agenda is him!
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He got only 217k followers on Twitter but this Tweet by him is retweeted 17k times in less thn 10 hours thats how it ended up on my timeline.
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Massive Crowd in Bihar
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">देश के विद्यार्थियों पर पुलिस के दमन और संविधान एवं ग़रीब विरोधी CAB-NRC के खिलाफ आज पूर्णिया(बिहार) की जनता ने अपनी आवाज बुलन्द की। जनता समझ रही है कि उनके असल सवालों को दबाने के लिए यह सरकार उन्हें नागरिकता सिद्ध करने के लिए सरकारी दफ़्तरों के बाहर लाइनों में लगा देना चाहती है। <a href="https://t.co/vFZULxKnhZ">pic.twitter.com/vFZULxKnhZ</a></p>— Kanhaiya Kumar (@kanhaiyakumar) <a href="https://twitter.com/kanhaiyakumar/status/1206564754837213185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="hi" dir="ltr">देश के विद्यार्थियों पर पुलिस के दमन और संविधान एवं ग़रीब विरोधी CAB-NRC के खिलाफ आज पूर्णिया(बिहार) की जनता ने अपनी आवाज बुलन्द की। जनता समझ रही है कि उनके असल सवालों को दबाने के लिए यह सरकार उन्हें नागरिकता सिद्ध करने के लिए सरकारी दफ़्तरों के बाहर लाइनों में लगा देना चाहती है। <a href="https://t.co/vFZULxKnhZ">pic.twitter.com/vFZULxKnhZ</a></p>— Kanhaiya Kumar (@kanhaiyakumar) <a href="https://twitter.com/kanhaiyakumar/status/1206564754837213185?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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No one has mentioned about Muslims of Pakistan or Bangladesh going India.
Talk is about the Muslims in India already but BJP and some posters here don't understand the bill.
Like in Assam their are millions and millions of illegal immigrants for many years.
After NRC is done the CAB will allow hindu illegal immigrants to claim citizenship but will turn away the Muslims who been their for years. Don't you call that discrimination against only Muslims. And some people who are even citizens of India in Assam don't have documents what will they do.
Tommorow just say they do NRC of whole India and some Muslims who actually lived India their whole life for generations don't have documents they will be classed as illegal but the Hindus and others under the CAB will get citizenship automatically even if they not Indian.
How can you judge such bill. Theirs a reason educated Muslims are protesting as they understand the bill.
But all BJP and its followers say on this is that it won't affect Indian Muslims they got nothing to worry about. But it will.
Talk is about the Muslims in India already but BJP and some posters here don't understand the bill.
Like in Assam their are millions and millions of illegal immigrants for many years.
After NRC is done the CAB will allow hindu illegal immigrants to claim citizenship but will turn away the Muslims who been their for years. Don't you call that discrimination against only Muslims. And some people who are even citizens of India in Assam don't have documents what will they do.
Tommorow just say they do NRC of whole India and some Muslims who actually lived India their whole life for generations don't have documents they will be classed as illegal but the Hindus and others under the CAB will get citizenship automatically even if they not Indian.
How can you judge such bill. Theirs a reason educated Muslims are protesting as they understand the bill.
But all BJP and its followers say on this is that it won't affect Indian Muslims they got nothing to worry about. But it will.
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A Kargal war veteran (Army captain Mohammed Sanaullah) was declared a foreigner and sent to detention camp a few months ago so imagine what's gonna happen to normal folks.
Retired Army officer who was declared illegal immigrant and detained in Assam gets bail
Guwahati High Court granted bail to retired Army captain Mohammed Sanaullah on Friday.
Mohammed Sanaullah was declared a foreigner and was detained by police in Assam on May 23.
Mohammed Sanaullah, 52, was sent to a detention camp after a tribunal declared him a foreigner.
The lawyer of retired Army officer Mohammed Sanaullah said, "Guwahati HC passed order of interim bail. He'll be released from detention centre with a condition of Rs 20,000 bail bond, 2 local sureties and his bio-metrics will be taken before the release."
The lawyer added, "We're confident we'll win. The biggest point is that the investigating officer himself said that he never investigated or enquired him [Mohammed Sanaullah]. We've made him a party. The case doesn't stand because he was never investigated. Border Police had filed a false case against him.
Source: https://www.indiatoday.in/india/sto...ah-assam-illegal-immigrant-1544489-2019-06-07
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Yes I did hear about this and thanks for the article. It's clear its going to affect Indian Muslims. And after the brutality the Delhi police done yesterday shows they won't let Muslims speak up against it. Whoever tries will get beaten up.
See the videos and was confused. Looked like some ordinary people covering faces in jeans and causal wear acting as officers and beating the students up.
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] he should apply at tribunal too..but look what tribunal did , wonder why so many from one community are getting this issue?
This is the humiliation you want citizens to go through.
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BJP and RSS leader Rajeshwar Singh,has, in an example of intimidation and hate speech said that “Muslims and Christians will be wiped out of India by December 31, 2021.” He further said that ‘we’ have decided that Islam and Christianity will be finished in India by 2021. He asserted, “this is the pledge taken by my colleagues.This is our pledge.”
This is a member of India's ruling party openly boasting of his government's intent to “ethnically cleanse 200 million” Muslims and 28 million Christians. Singh is a resident of western Uttar Pradesh and known for inciteful and inflammatory statements, be it on “love jehad” or the Aligarh Muslim University.No action has been taken against Rajeshwar Singh for his latest provocations.Clearly Indian law or the Constitution have no meaning for those of this ideological ilk.
In August 2018, media reported that the RSS sent the man leading the much controversial “Ghar Wapsi” campaign on an “indefinite sick leave”, four years after the BJP won first full majority government at the centre.Rajeshwar Singh is an RSS pracharak heading the Dharam Jagaran Samiti and leading the highly controversial movement of re-converting Muslims and Christians back to the Hindu fold, was earlier “relieved” of his responsibilities as the Sangh felt the campaign in Agra had invited undue publicity “undermining the larger goal of Ghar Wapsi”.
Over the past few years, UP’s Dharm Jagran Samiti’s head Rajeshwar Singh has periodically defiantly made similar assertions: “Our target is to make India a Hindu Rashtra by 2021. The Muslims and Christians don’t have any right to stay here. So they would either be converted to Hinduism or forced to run away from here”
India under Modi 1.0 and Modi 2.0 has seen the widespread legitimisation of such provocative claims:
A chorus of such speeches with the Hindu Mahasabha, announcing the launch of its "Islam-free India" campaign;
Sadhvi Deva Thakur gives a call to declare emergency and sterilise Muslims and Christians to control their population;
Sadhvi Sarawati gives the call to hang the ‘beef eaters’ and attack all secular people;
150 Hindu outfits openly hold a 4 day convention in Goa calling for turning India into a Hindu Rashtra by 2023.
https://sabrangindia.in/article/mus...a-december-31-2021-bjp-leader-rajeshwar-singh
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">BJP leader Rajeshwar Singh says Islam and Christianity will be finished in India by 2021.<br><br>This is a member of India's ruling party openly boasting of his government's intent to ethnically cleanse 200 million Muslims and 28 million Christians. <a href="https://t.co/TRMPdhosYE">pic.twitter.com/TRMPdhosYE</a></p>— CJ Werleman (@cjwerleman) <a href="https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1178758112058073088?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 30, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Also check this. BJP leader said this 5 years back and its all seems that way. Sad and bad times for Muslims in India.
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wow the man predicted it 5 years ago when BJP just came into power.
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RSS doing the police work?
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His name is Bharat Sharma. Law student of du. State executive committee member of ABVP. Volunteer of Rss<br>Clearly seen kicking students for no reason and abusing them. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamiaMilia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamiaMilia</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamiaProtests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamiaProtests</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DelhiProtest?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DelhiProtest</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DelhiBurning?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DelhiBurning</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABProtests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABProtests</a> <a href="https://t.co/AuPRZuk0nm">pic.twitter.com/AuPRZuk0nm</a></p>— Akshay Lakra (@akshaylakra17) <a href="https://twitter.com/akshaylakra17/status/1206516483699773440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">His name is Bharat Sharma. Law student of du. State executive committee member of ABVP. Volunteer of Rss<br>Clearly seen kicking students for no reason and abusing them. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamiaMilia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamiaMilia</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamiaProtests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamiaProtests</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DelhiProtest?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DelhiProtest</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DelhiBurning?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#DelhiBurning</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CABProtests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CABProtests</a> <a href="https://t.co/AuPRZuk0nm">pic.twitter.com/AuPRZuk0nm</a></p>— Akshay Lakra (@akshaylakra17) <a href="https://twitter.com/akshaylakra17/status/1206516483699773440?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 16, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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May Allahs wrath be on these oppressor's. Ameen
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Smoeone should read the comments in Twitter.......moronic nation
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Alt News doing a great job at exposing snaghis and their IT cell
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Illegally Living in India and staying here doesnot make anyone Indian. I hope thats clear.
There is no country wide NRC.
In Assam as long as you could prove that either of your parents or grandparents were innIndia before 1971, you are Indian.
Tell me how plausible it is that neither you, nor your siblings nor your parents siblings nor your grand parents and their siblings no one has sny document?
Assam has a population of 30mn, according to 2011 census, the total exclusion was 1.9mn, thats not even 10 per cent. Its likely to go down after tribunal cases. Muslims were 1.5mn. So this theory that mass citizenship removal of Muslims is being attempted is wrong.
Now finally coming to your last argument, that if NRC happens and a non muslim is detected as a foreigner he will get citizenship while a muslim wont.
First of all this will apply only to people from pakistan BD and Afg.
I see no reason why after partition, India should be taking any illegal muslim from pak or BD,? Can you give me a reason?
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Cant read the nonsense language you have posted.
But wake up pal, India is run by RSS extremists. Just look at their policies towards Muslims.
Every Indian Muslim has the right to self defence against any RSS, police or any government personnel who is abusing them by any means.
All this nonsense of being loyal to your nation goes out the window when you government is anti your religion and is abusing you.
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India should not be taking ANY illegal period or should be taking illegals without discrimation.
India was founded as a secular country and not a Hindu country. Secular should be secular for ALL not picking and choosing religions.
Also why wasn’t Sri Lanka or Myanmar included? Weren’t they British colonies too and have had historical links to the land what is now India
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Talking to is like talking to a brick wall.
When did I mention taking a illegal Muslim from Pak or BD.
I'm on about Muslims already living in India.
Ok if a Muslim is living in India before 1947 for generations and they don't have a valid document. They will be classed as illegal whilst a Hindu or any others with no valid documents will get citizenship through CAB.
I don't want to have a debate with you as I have had many with you and seen that you are adamant in your support for BJP and RSS no matter what wrong they do and talking with you and giving you points and facts makes no difference as you still talk about same thing.
Also be good to hear your view on few previous posts such as Retired Muslim Army officer who was declared illegal immigrant and detained in Assam gets bail and about BJP and RSS leader Rajeshwar Singh comment Muslims and Christians will be wiped out of India by December 31, 2021.
Even though you will defend these but be good to see what more lengths you will go defending BJP and RSS.
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RSS defenders have changed their tune.
The initial reasong given was Mulsims did not choose India then so are potential traitors as illegal immigrants.
After protests, the law change has been justified because now all Mulsims inc Indian Mulsims are potential traitors.
They should just come and out say we want an all Hindu nation, even Adnan Sami must leave.
Not sure what police is suppose to do in mob vandalism like this. [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]
https://youtu.be/_2wv0q46Ffc
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Secularism is for Indian citizens only. Not for foreigners.
In 1947 muslims were given a country after they demanded one. Now why should they same community be allowed back? You take land, now you want a share in Indias resources as well. Sorry thats not happening.
The only reason non Muslims are given the choice because they are a persecuted lot in islamic nations. And when their land was made the part of islamic nations, they werent given any say.
In 1947, neither SL or Myanmar were part of British India.
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Why did you write the law change is justified(due to these protests)? Its Indian citizens who are Mulsims protesting.
Are all Mulsims in India potential triators?
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What Rajeshwar Singh said is downright wrong. Thats condemnable.
Tell me how plausible it is that neither you, nor your siblings nor your parents siblings nor your grand parents and their siblings no one has any document? Can you go to a country and say i have no documents but i am citizen and get citizenship?
For any hindu sikh christian to claim citizenship under CAA he will also have to prove that he is from Pak BD or Afg.
It doesn't matter Bjp or RSS, India cant be taking in any muslim refugees after a separate country was provided for them. This is a matter of national importance.
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Because in Bengal the areas having problems are all bordering BD. Its evident why they are doing this.
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Appreicate your honesty. I assume if and when Indian Muslims in other parts start protesting against any law which is against Muslims, they will also be traitors.
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They have the right to peacefully protest. Thats their right under the constitution.
They also have the right to approach the Court to get the law struck down if its unconstitutional.
They also have the option of gathering enough public support that the next govt is sympathetic to their demands and the law is repealed.
Only if anyone goes against the constitution can he be a traitor and criminal.
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How can a refugee prove where they from if they have no documents. Just because they are Hindu or others they get a free pass but a Muslim who probably is a Indian citizen won't be if they don't have any valid document.
Also If a retired war veteran is treated this way because of his religion. I wonder what state the poor Muslim people in Assam are.
Mohammed Sanaullah, the Kargil war veteran who was declared ‘foreigner’ by a Foreigners’ Tribunal in Assam and sent to a Detention Camp in Goalpara, may now be out on bail, but there are several grave concerns about the manner in which he was treated.
Is there even a case now?
To begin with, Chandrabaran Das, the Border Police official (now retired) who had initially filed a report flagging Sanaullah’s citizenship, has clarified that this is a case of mistaken identity. In an interview to NDTV, Das who was a sub-inspector with the Assam Border Police when he filed the report in 2009, says that these are two different men with the same name i.e Mohammed Sanaullah. His report had mentioned that Mohammed Sanaullah was an illiterate man and daily wage earner who had confessed that he originally hailed from Bangladesh.
In light of this revelation, all proceedings against the war veteran should have been summarily quashed as now there is no real case against him. The fact, that this hasn't happened yet, makes one wonder if he is being targeted.
Why the deliberate humiliation?
A week after the revelation about mistaken identity, the case has still not been dismissed and Mohammed Sanaullah is only out on bail. Why was a man who has committed no crime forced to spend time behind bars at a detention camp and then be required to seek bail, instead of being allowed to just walk free with dignity? This reeks of deliberate humiliation, once again making one wonder if he is being targeted.
But Mohammed Sanaullah’s humiliation did not end there. According to the provisions of his bail order, the man who had dedicated 30 years of his life serving the nation in some of the most hostile and insurgency prone areas, will now be kept under surveillance almost like a criminal, as Mohammed Sanaullah is required to submit his biometric data to the authorities. The judgment says, “… prior to releasing the applicant on bail, the biometrics of the iris of both eyes, the fingerprints of both hands and photograph of the petitioner shall be obtained.”
Privacy concerns
This immediately raises a few concerns. Firstly, it appears to be a violation of Mohammed Sanaullah’s right to privacy as biometric data is private and citizens are not required to share it except in case of registering for Aadhaar. Secondly, Mohammed Sanaullah has not done anything to merit recording his biometric data and no details have been given as to how long this biometric data will be store and under what kind of security. Is this yet another example of deliberate targeting?
Are we now doubting the Army's background checks?
If there are still doubts about Mohammed Sanaullah’s citizenship, as a result of which he was required to seek bail, and the charges against him have still not been dropped, then are we now doubting the stringent background checks the Indian Army conducts while recruiting personnel? If Mohammed Sanaullah was an illegal immigrant from Bangladesh, are we saying that none of the authorities in the Indian Army were able to spot this as a result of which a 'foreigner' was not only recruited in our defence forces, but also went on to serve for 30 years? In a country where people across the political spectrum and socio-economic backgrounds have unshakable faith and the utmost regard for the brave men and women who risk their lives to defend our freedoms, are we actually saying we don't trust the Indian Army?
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I hope there is enough water in india
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What is going against the constitution? Examples?
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If you have no documents to prove where are you from, even if you are non muslim you dont get citizenship.
You are flagging one or two cases.
As i pointed out 30mn people underwent NRC.
Only 1.9mn found to be foreigners. Less than 10%.
Only 1.4mn are muslims. Less than 5% .500k are non Muslims.
Are you really saying that someone will do all this to target less than 5% ?
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Many examples, if you commit treason or do anything against the sovereignty of the nation, spying, terrorist acts etc etc.
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The current protestors are doing no such thing. Only protesting which led to violence due to the heavy handedness of the security forces. This is normal in any society where people protest. How is this treason?
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Still no comment on war veteran Mohammed Sanaullah which you are trying to avoid.
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They are vandals, rioters, and they raised communal slogans. I dont think Sedition clauses have bern applied on them.
The violence led to police action, the Supreme court made that observation today.
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Mohammed Sanaullah has the option of going to the tribunal and proving his case.
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Afghanistan was part of British India?
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Its because Durand line was considered a temporary boundary and free movement across it happened.
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No.
British never had control over Afghanistan. The simple fact is that Sri Lanka and Myanmar have persecuted Muslims and that’s why rather than opening that Pandora’s box it was easier to omit them altogether.
India has more historical links with Sri Lanka and Myanmar than Afghanistan and that’s factual. So I don’t even get where Afghanistan even figures here lol. Clearly your British India argument fell flat.
I mean I honestly don’t care but the mental gymnastics from one post to another are funny to watch
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The Indian posters who are celebrating this law are really naive.. they have no idea what this is doing to their national unity. This is the sort of stuff that disenfranchises minorities and their kids grow up to become anti government or unpatriotic anti social belligerents.. only time will tell how far this will go.. but this happened in India before with sikhs..
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Do you realty think these BJP/RSS followers care about Muslims. No matter what happens blame comes to Muslims.
I sincerely hope the comments on most Twitter posts condemning violence against students are not real, hopefully it's ***** media cell at work otherwise it is extremely disturbing how these people think. Majority of comments accuse protesting Muslims students of being jihadis (or zihadis as they say), terrorists, Talibans etc.
Now this has been fed to these clowns for years and they have used this hatred against Pakistanis for too long and even Indian Muslims were happy with this sort of hateful attitude as they claimed they are different from Pakistanis. Now what would you say guys? Being called jihadis and terrorists for protesting against hate filled policies of a maniac?
I hope sane Hindus in India also realize that hateful extremists like Modi are NEVER good for anyone, this filthy maniac literally pushed India and Pakistan to war (hundreds killed already with thousands at risk) and now hell bent on starting a civil war
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Sikhs?
A sikh was the last PM of India. A Sikh was the Army chief couple of years back. A sikh was chief justice couple lf years back. A sikh was Airforce chief some months back.
What are you on about?
I have seen you use this line many times. It just factually false. I don't know of any secular state using the same line of thinking on immigrants trying to move to that country, except maybe Trump administration (and even they are significantly less blatant and rigid as this). No other secular state that I know of discriminates against immigrants, legal or illegal, based on their religion.
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You are missing the main point. Mohammed Sanaullah served in the Army for 30 years and then with the Border force. And yet was sent to a detention camp. It shows how ridiculously flawed the criterion and implementation of the NRC was.
Does BJP have any educated people who know anything when they implement stupid failed projects. For eg: demonetization. Having the political abilities like Shah and Modi undoubtedly excel in, is different from having the intellect to run a country.
I'll assume your numbers are right. Then why all this drama for 5%.
Isn't it an amazing coincidence that whenever important elections are around, something divisive happens here.
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Can anyone tell me who is this man in civil dress, with his face hidden, beating the students of Jamia, along with the police?? https://t.co/1MmGukxeHB
Will somebody defend this too?
Will somebody defend this too?
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Check the comments in this tweet you will get idea about this person
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No.
British never had control over Afghanistan. The simple fact is that Sri Lanka and Myanmar have persecuted Muslims and that’s why rather than opening that Pandora’s box it was easier to omit them altogether.
India has more historical links with Sri Lanka and Myanmar than Afghanistan and that’s factual. So I don’t even get where Afghanistan even figures here lol. Clearly your British India argument fell flat.
I mean I honestly don’t care but the mental gymnastics from one post to another are funny to watch
India took a large number of Tamils from SL. Irrespective of their religion when the SL civil war was on.
Lol. Read history. The British defeated the Adghans and took control of all Afghan territory south of the Durand line.
Infact after the second Anglo Afghan war , Afghanistan became a British protectorate under the Treaty of Gandamak
Don't argue with facts with these guys.
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1. You are flagging one case of Sanaullah. Whose actual detention happened due to a case filed against him in 2009. Before the NRC.
2. Its not about 5 per cent or 10 Per cent. Its about illegal immigrants. Why even 1 should be there.
Secondly this is a continuous process. The best way to stop this illegal immigration is by making India a hostile place for illegal immigrants. When they see that the present illegal immigrants are being punished as per law and are forced to go back, the next guy will think 100 times before coming here.
Do you know how many Rohingyas immigrated to China? A neighbor of Myanmar?
Also do you know the amount that Bdeshis remit to BD from India annually?
Does it also apply to those policemen who were filmed smashing parked up motorcycles? And which police force picks up stones and pelts them back?
The law enforcers are so backwards that it’s indeed reminiscent of a banana republic
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So police should have used bulleys instead of stones?
The police appealed many times. But the students didnot stop.
Hence they entered the campus.
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Citizenship Amendment Act: Delhi police in 'shooting' row as protests spread
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-50818192
Indian police have denied shooting people during protests in Delhi - as anger at a citizenship law spreads across the country.
At least three people said they were shot, but police said their wounds were caused by broken tear gas canisters.
The BBC has seen the hospital report of one person who thought he was shot. The report said doctors removed a "foreign object" from his thigh.
The new law offers citizenship to non-Muslims from three nearby countries.
Many of the injured were participating in protests at universities in Delhi.
Ten people, many of whom have "criminal backgrounds", have been arrested, Delhi police said on Tuesday. Amid criticism for using "excessive force" inside campus premises, they added that no students were detained.
Police say that locals who lived near the campus had joined the protests and attacked officers.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to hear a petition against the police action inside Delhi's Jamia Millia Islamia University where they allegedly attacked students inside campus premises like the library and toilets.
Chief Justice Sharad Bobde said the top court did not have to intervene since it was "a law and order problem". He also told lawyers to file petitions in trial courts.
More protests are expected to take place throughout Tuesday in universities across cities including Varanasi, Hyderabad, Chennai (formerly Madras) and Kolkata (formerly Calcutta).
Prime Minister Narendra Modi said the new law was "for those who have faced years of persecution outside and have no place to go except India".
But some say the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) is discriminatory and part of a "Hindu nationalist" agenda to marginalise India's 200-million Muslim minority.
Others - particularly in border states - fear being "overrun" by new arrivals from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Pakistan.
At least three people said they were shot, but police said their wounds were caused by broken tear gas canisters.
The BBC has seen the hospital report of one person who thought he was shot. The report said doctors removed a "foreign object" from his thigh.
The new law offers citizenship to non-Muslims from three nearby countries.
Many of the injured were participating in protests at universities in Delhi.
Ten people, many of whom have "criminal backgrounds", have been arrested, Delhi police said on Tuesday. Amid criticism for using "excessive force" inside campus premises, they added that no students were detained.
Police say that locals who lived near the campus had joined the protests and attacked officers.
Meanwhile, the Supreme Court on Tuesday refused to hear a petition against the police action inside Delhi's Jamia Millia Islamia University where they allegedly attacked students inside campus premises like the library and toilets.
Chief Justice Sharad Bobde said the top court did not have to intervene since it was "a law and order problem". He also told lawyers to file petitions in trial courts.
More protests are expected to take place throughout Tuesday in universities across cities including Varanasi, Hyderabad, Chennai (formerly Madras) and Kolkata (formerly Calcutta).
Prime Minister Narendra Modi said the new law was "for those who have faced years of persecution outside and have no place to go except India".
But some say the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) is discriminatory and part of a "Hindu nationalist" agenda to marginalise India's 200-million Muslim minority.
Others - particularly in border states - fear being "overrun" by new arrivals from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, and Pakistan.
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Posting unverified twitter handles to further propoganda?
https://www.freepressjournal.in/ind...ain-clothes-seen-during-caa-protests-in-delhi
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His name is Arvind and he is a constable from AATS division of Delhi police.
What kind of a constable turns up in a leather jacket and kicks students?
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Pointless debating with him. He will defend anything against Muslims no matter what.
Also 10 people arrested for violence wasn't even the students.
How can police just break into a University and attack the students. This is caught on videos them beating students violently. Firing tear gas inside and even breaking bikes. But it's all fine as for them as Muslims don't matter. No matter what happens they will back up anything against Muslims. Such a sad state for the Indian Muslims.
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They are from AATS. Anti Auto theft squad. They keep vigil in civic clothes.
The Delhi police has confirmed his identity.
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The students were detained and later released.
What kind of students riot on streets burn buses and do stone pelting?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is real face of Delhi police. <br><br>"It was disgusting when cops said 'recite Kalima', like we are going to die now. They asked 'whats your problem with Modi and Shah?',I felt Police is biased and targeting a certain community" ~Mohammad Mustafa, Jamia student <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/JamiaProtests?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#JamiaProtests</a> <a href="https://t.co/yt6jmx7Okh">pic.twitter.com/yt6jmx7Okh</a></p>— Md Asif Khan آصِف (@imMAK02) <a href="https://twitter.com/imMAK02/status/1206881605677006850?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 17, 2019</a></blockquote>
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"What's your problem with Modi and Shah"
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"What's your problem with Modi and Shah"
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After the Indian network in Europe got exposed I'm convinced joshila is a paid BJP shill. Even the other Indians in this thread were outraged. But this guy is something else.
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Where did any student done such act. You got proof that any student done that if they did why wasn't they arrested.
And what sort of police raids into a University and attacks students. Even just say few students done something violent, (which they didn't as they didn't get arrested for it) they can't barge into the University and attack all students like that.
All the statements of the students they told what happened but you won't believe that as they are Muslims. Actually their was a non Muslim girl too crying on TV and saying what happened but no she's lying as she's backing the Muslims.
We all know you are one a BJP ***** and will support them no matter what wrong they do.
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Bhai you have no idea how the "student unions" in India work. They are just the puppets of different political parties and are often used to create public unrest for political benefits.
The state that I live in got bifurcated in 2014 after years of student struggle and numerous lathi charges on students (mostly Hindus) inside the campuses. This has got nothing to do with religion.
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“Thrash the circumcised,” Delhi cops shouted amidst rampage against us students
Nobody anticipated what happened inside our Jamia Millia Islamia campus yesterday (Dec. 15).
In the morning, we approached the Delhi police for permission for a protest march in the Batla House community near our university, and they allowed us to use a particular lane. Around noon, we marched, raised slogans, and put across our point that the Citizenship Amendment Act is discriminatory. We sat on the road and raised slogans.
I want to emphasise, all this was peaceful. The Delhi police personnel were positioned only kilometres away from us.
After an hour or so, we saw residents of Jamia Nagar and other nearby areas join us. They marched towards Surya hotel in New Friends Colony, a short distance from Batla House. We Jamia Millia students then appealed to our groups to stay put and not join the locals.
We continued to protest at the spot we had permission for.
Around 2pm, the students of Jamia Millia’s Faculty of Law were to join us and then we were to march peacefully towards the Delhi police headquarters. It was decided there won’t be any sloganeering anymore.
However, before that could happen, the locals, who had entered New Friends Colony, turned violent.
The unfortunate events
Soon, news began pouring in that they were pelting stones at parked cars and moving buses and damaging property. We got to know that they’d also torched a bike.
What followed was unbelievable. We saw police personnel light a fire from the torched bike and burn the buses. We know the Delhi police is responsible for it. Some students even recorded the entire incident on their cell phones. These videos confirm there wasn’t a single student near the torched buses, it was just the officers and constables of the Delhi police.
Now I want to ask those blaming us students for the violence, did we torch the buses sitting inside our homes or from inside the campus?
Moreover, as soon as the students received news of violence, we called off our protests and returned to the university.
The chaos that followed
When we returned, everyone made sure that outsiders don’t enter the campus. We knew (or that’s what we thought) that the police weren’t inside the university, so the miscreants could possibly enter. We were extra cautious.
The security guards at the gates checked the identity cards of the returning protesters, entering the campus. It was only us, the students.
We thought the worst was behind us. We were angry. To analyse what had happened, we met at the canteen; some of us hadn’t eaten since morning. A few minutes after we settled down, a tear-gas shell was fired inside our canteen from the direction of our library.
The entire campus was soon taken over by the police. Four or five more tear-gas shells were fired. The police harassed the security guards and forced them to open the university’s gates.
Now, the police were inside the campus. We were scared, really scared.
Out of fear, some of us ran towards the library. The police then bombed the reading hall with more tear-gas shells. Some students were caught by the police and told they would be escorted to their hostels safely. The police said they were only looking for “outsiders.”
Later, we heard gunshots. I have recorded some videos of the police firing inside the campus.
We got to know that the students supposedly being taken to their hostel rooms were being detained and beaten up badly. The police took them somewhere, we think it’s Kalkaji police station, but we are not sure. When we asked the police, they hurled abuses at us.
I, along with my friends, was inside the campus, but when the police began firing gunshots, we escaped through the gate near Batla House.
“We are students not terrorists”
Chief proctor Waseem Ahmed Khan confirmed that the police did not have permission to enter Jamia. I can guarantee their (police’s) intention wasn’t to catch outsiders; they wanted to fuel communal tensions.
Let me tell you what some of the personnel were saying while beating us up: “Maaro inko, ye katwe hai” (Thrash them, these circumcised). I heard them saying this many times.
They opened fire at the campus, damaged the mosques, and beat up students. Please, remind them if you can that we are students, not terrorists.
https://qz.com/india/1768876/i-saw-delhi-police-target-jamia-millia-islamias-muslim-students/
Nobody anticipated what happened inside our Jamia Millia Islamia campus yesterday (Dec. 15).
In the morning, we approached the Delhi police for permission for a protest march in the Batla House community near our university, and they allowed us to use a particular lane. Around noon, we marched, raised slogans, and put across our point that the Citizenship Amendment Act is discriminatory. We sat on the road and raised slogans.
I want to emphasise, all this was peaceful. The Delhi police personnel were positioned only kilometres away from us.
After an hour or so, we saw residents of Jamia Nagar and other nearby areas join us. They marched towards Surya hotel in New Friends Colony, a short distance from Batla House. We Jamia Millia students then appealed to our groups to stay put and not join the locals.
We continued to protest at the spot we had permission for.
Around 2pm, the students of Jamia Millia’s Faculty of Law were to join us and then we were to march peacefully towards the Delhi police headquarters. It was decided there won’t be any sloganeering anymore.
However, before that could happen, the locals, who had entered New Friends Colony, turned violent.
The unfortunate events
Soon, news began pouring in that they were pelting stones at parked cars and moving buses and damaging property. We got to know that they’d also torched a bike.
What followed was unbelievable. We saw police personnel light a fire from the torched bike and burn the buses. We know the Delhi police is responsible for it. Some students even recorded the entire incident on their cell phones. These videos confirm there wasn’t a single student near the torched buses, it was just the officers and constables of the Delhi police.
Now I want to ask those blaming us students for the violence, did we torch the buses sitting inside our homes or from inside the campus?
Moreover, as soon as the students received news of violence, we called off our protests and returned to the university.
The chaos that followed
When we returned, everyone made sure that outsiders don’t enter the campus. We knew (or that’s what we thought) that the police weren’t inside the university, so the miscreants could possibly enter. We were extra cautious.
The security guards at the gates checked the identity cards of the returning protesters, entering the campus. It was only us, the students.
We thought the worst was behind us. We were angry. To analyse what had happened, we met at the canteen; some of us hadn’t eaten since morning. A few minutes after we settled down, a tear-gas shell was fired inside our canteen from the direction of our library.
The entire campus was soon taken over by the police. Four or five more tear-gas shells were fired. The police harassed the security guards and forced them to open the university’s gates.
Now, the police were inside the campus. We were scared, really scared.
Out of fear, some of us ran towards the library. The police then bombed the reading hall with more tear-gas shells. Some students were caught by the police and told they would be escorted to their hostels safely. The police said they were only looking for “outsiders.”
Later, we heard gunshots. I have recorded some videos of the police firing inside the campus.
We got to know that the students supposedly being taken to their hostel rooms were being detained and beaten up badly. The police took them somewhere, we think it’s Kalkaji police station, but we are not sure. When we asked the police, they hurled abuses at us.
I, along with my friends, was inside the campus, but when the police began firing gunshots, we escaped through the gate near Batla House.
“We are students not terrorists”
Chief proctor Waseem Ahmed Khan confirmed that the police did not have permission to enter Jamia. I can guarantee their (police’s) intention wasn’t to catch outsiders; they wanted to fuel communal tensions.
Let me tell you what some of the personnel were saying while beating us up: “Maaro inko, ye katwe hai” (Thrash them, these circumcised). I heard them saying this many times.
They opened fire at the campus, damaged the mosques, and beat up students. Please, remind them if you can that we are students, not terrorists.
https://qz.com/india/1768876/i-saw-delhi-police-target-jamia-millia-islamias-muslim-students/
Police have arrested 10 local people but no students till now. Is that too difficult to find proof against them now?? They were soo quick in lathicharging them at the library, toilet snd hostels?
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Why wasn't no student arrested then. If they rioted and burnt buses surely they would be arrested but the 10 people arrested are non students.
Lathi charge and tear gas you can't back the police on this. They were thrashing students and even breaking bikes parked outside.
And it has got religion to do with as you PM Modi said you can identify these lot with their clothes.
It's like no Indian Muslim has a right to protest or raise their voice against Modi if they do what happened yesterday will happen or even worse.
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Watch how he will still defend the police against the students.
Just look at twitter of some Indian actors who spoke out against what happened and the abuse they have had from the BJP ****** just like Cricketjoshila
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It is better to lathi charge the students, or detain and release, instead of formally arresting them. As it can ruin the future, except for the students who use these dharnas as internship for their future political career. Credit must be given to Delhi police who taught the other state police how it should be done. In future, students who want to protest, should do it peacefully, finger on their lips and pin drop silence.
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