[PICTURES] Why Mohammad Hasnain's action is illegal, and why Jasprit Bumrah's isn't

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People saying Bumrah chucks it when he doesn't and 'why' is Hasnain under the scanner. To clear up what I am seeing, here is likely what ICC were interested in. I mentioned a while ago it was worth addressing this for Hasnain. <a href="https://t.co/53IkLOXbCM">pic.twitter.com/53IkLOXbCM</a></p>— Ian Pont &#55356;&#56812;&#55356;&#56807; (@Ponty100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1490735679898329090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[Thanos]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People saying Bumrah chucks it when he doesn't and 'why' is Hasnain under the scanner. To clear up what I am seeing, here is likely what ICC were interested in. I mentioned a while ago it was worth addressing this for Hasnain. <a href="https://t.co/53IkLOXbCM">pic.twitter.com/53IkLOXbCM</a></p>— Ian Pont ���� (@Ponty100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1490735679898329090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This should close the argument of any wrongdoing. I would trust lab result and assessment of someone like Ian pont who is well known for fast bowling technicalities.

 

[Romali_rotti]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">People saying Bumrah chucks it when he doesn't and 'why' is Hasnain under the scanner. To clear up what I am seeing, here is likely what ICC were interested in. I mentioned a while ago it was worth addressing this for Hasnain. <a href="https://t.co/53IkLOXbCM">pic.twitter.com/53IkLOXbCM</a></p>— Ian Pont ���� (@Ponty100mph) <a href="https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1490735679898329090?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">February 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Ian Pont must be reading my posts, I put a similar pic of Hasnain a while back.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Just like how some Pakistani cricketers look to get help from private sports physio therapists, Hasnain should seek help from Ian Pont privately. Can’t trust PCB when it comes to players welfare.

 

[Major]

Ian Pont must be reading my posts, I put a similar pic of Hasnain a while back.

damn, thats a clear Chuck... And people were defending this really?

 

[Savak]

Didn't ICC try to ban Shoaib for the same hyper extension that Bumrah has right now?

 

[silentkiller187]

Didn't ICC try to ban Shoaib for the same hyper extension that Bumrah has right now?

Rules have changed since akhtar days, looking at the pics seems very clear now why hasnain was called.

 

[Major]

If you want to bash an Indian bowler than atleast pick a correct one.. If anyone of them looks suspicious, it has to be Hardik Pandyas if you watch it in slow motion

Bumrah is as clean as Sohail Tanvir

 

[Romali_rotti]

damn, thats a clear Chuck... And people were defending this really?

It's correctable, I feel he can make a good comeback with a little hard work...

 

[Rajdeep]

Good on Ian Pont but not sure why he even needed to give an explanation. Who has question Bumrah's action anyway?

Anyone understands cricket would kmow that Bumrah's action is clean as a whistle.

 

[IMMY69]

Good on Ian Pont but not sure why he even needed to give an explanation. Who has question Bumrah's action anyway?

Anyone understands cricket would kmow that Bumrah's action is clean as a whistle.

I have questioned it.
But I also asked for the relevant sites to be pointed out so that I can see the reports to confirm his hyperextension. To this day no one has posted a link.

Do Ian Pont's pictures actually show anything? Are they lab tested pictures?
All I would like to know is,

1. Was Bumrah tested?
2. If so where are the results?

 

[IMMY69]

If you want to bash an Indian bowler than atleast pick a correct one.. If anyone of them looks suspicious, it has to be Hardik Pandyas if you watch it in slow motion

Bumrah is as clean as Sohail Tanvir

No no one wants to specifically bash any Indian bowlers.
However, you should be bashed. You called and still maintain that Hasnain is a cheat.

 

[Romali_rotti]

1. Was Bumrah tested?
2. If so where are the results?

Why would Bumrah be tested if he was never called for chucking ?

Ian Pont doesn't work for BCCI or have any IPL contracts, he is stating his individual opinion... Bumrah has a hyperextension, which a lot of you Pakistanis don't seem to understand.

It really is alarming that someone like Waqar who was the coach could not pick up this issue of Hasnain which kinda goes to show their lack of knowledge..

 

[Major]

No no one wants to specifically bash any Indian bowlers.
However, you should be bashed. You called and still maintain that Hasnain is a cheat.

and he is, anyone who chucks is cheating which is why ICC has to suspend that bowler till he has a legal action

 

[Kraetoz]

Why would Bumrah be tested if he was never called for chucking ?

Ian Pont doesn't work for BCCI or have any IPL contracts, he is stating his individual opinion... Bumrah has a hyperextension, which a lot of you Pakistanis don't seem to understand.

It really is alarming that someone like Waqar who was the coach could not pick up this issue of Hasnain which kinda goes to show their lack of knowledge..

Where is the report for his so called hyper extension?

 

[Major]

I have questioned it.
But I also asked for the relevant sites to be pointed out so that I can see the reports to confirm his hyperextension. To this day no one has posted a link.

Do Ian Pont's pictures actually show anything? Are they lab tested pictures?
All I would like to know is,

1. Was Bumrah tested?
2. If so where are the results?

To be tested you need an umpire or referee to report a player

second, untiil and unless lab data proves you chuck than you become a chucker. Just like how Hasnain is.

Infact, when an umpire suspects a bowling action, even than a bowler has time to do his tests. Till than he is allowed to play.

To have a suspect action you need to be called by the umpire, and to be labelled a chucker, you need science for that.

If you think Bumrah has a suspicious action and Umpires are not doing their job, than I think that reflects badly on the part of Aleem Dar as an umpire.

 

[Zaz]

Why would Bumrah be tested if he was never called for chucking ?

Ian Pont doesn't work for BCCI or have any IPL contracts, he is stating his individual opinion... Bumrah has a hyperextension, which a lot of you Pakistanis don't seem to understand.

It really is alarming that someone like Waqar who was the coach could not pick up this issue of Hasnain which kinda goes to show their lack of knowledge..

Are we just to take your word that bumrah has hyper extension? Where is this been tested and confirmed?

Im not saying he chucks but there Seems like theres different rules for different people or teams

 

[Major]

Are we just to take your word that bumrah has hyper extension? Where is this been tested and confirmed?

Im not saying he chucks but there Seems like theres different rules for different people or teams

There arn't different rules.

If different rules existed, Rayudu wouldnt had been reported either.


Aleem Dar has officiated in games involving Bumrah, why doesnt he report it than? Do you doubt the credibility of Aleem Dar?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Where is the report for his so called hyper extension?

Oh you should ask PCB to pay to have Bumrah tested for the hyper extension...

 

[MenInG]

There arn't different rules.

If different rules existed, Rayudu wouldnt had been reported either.


Aleem Dar has officiated in games involving Bumrah, why doesnt he report it than? Do you doubt the credibility of Aleem Dar?

I think I have said it before.

You cannot ask an umpire to note the action as it happens too fast - it has to be brought to his attention which I am sure it was, else they would have called a no-ball right then.

Also many other umpires officiated when he bowled in England - are all those umpires also to be questioned?

 

[Rajdeep]

I have questioned it.
But I also asked for the relevant sites to be pointed out so that I can see the reports to confirm his hyperextension. To this day no one has posted a link.

Do Ian Pont's pictures actually show anything? Are they lab tested pictures?
All I would like to know is,

1. Was Bumrah tested?
2. If so where are the results?

Pont explained the hyperextension in the OP with proper science. The forward flexion in the arms can clearly be seen as pointed out by him in pic 3 & 4. In Pont we trust...no need to go to any lab and waste time for something so obvious.

There is only 1 Indian bowler who chucks at present and his name is Deepak Hooda. Hope he gets called out whenever he bowls next.

Remaining all bowlers are - "clean as a whistle"!

 

[Major]

I think I have said it before.

You cannot ask an umpire to note the action as it happens too fast - it has to be brought to his attention which I am sure it was, else they would have called a no-ball right then.

Also many other umpires officiated when he bowled in England - are all those umpires also to be questioned?

English fans dont care about Bumrah's bowling action. The issue regarding Bumrah's bowling action is being raised by pakistani fans ( only because Hasnain got caught). They are the ones who are suspect him of chucking and claim that ICC equals to BCCI and what not.

We have a Pakistani umpire in the panel, and this umpire is regarded amongest the best. Why doesnt he report it if it is suspicious bowling action.

Bowling actions can be reported while the bowler is bowling (like in Muralis case), or examine the footages after the match.


If Pakistanis think that Bumrah chucks and Aleem Dar doesn't report in the matches he is involved with India than his credibility with regards to officiating do come into question..

The whole argument of because Hasnian got caught than Bumrah should be to is flawed.

Even if Bumrah is tested and comes out clean, these fans are not gonna accept the test result and call it a conspiracy of ICC and BCCI.
They already called the Hasnain test a conspiracy even though the test took place in Lahore Lums

 

[Romali_rotti]

Hyper extension, aka elbow bending backwards::

 

[Major]

Hyper extension, aka elbow bending backwards::View attachment 114756View attachment 114757View attachment 114758

doesnt Mohammad Shami and Mohammad Siraj's elbow also bend backward..



Btw this is Zaman Khan's bowling action

 

[silentkiller187]

i think its clear from the pics bumrah has a hyper extension, you cannot achieve that kind of bend otherwise

 

[Romali_rotti]

doesnt Mohammad Shami and Mohammad Siraj's elbow also bend backward..



Btw this is Zaman Khan's bowling action

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I have never really paid attention to Siraj or Shami's action, Zaman Khan's action looks very similar to Malinga's

 

[silentkiller187]

one thing i will say if anyone has seen bumrah in his under 19 days he had a different action, so has a injury lead to this?

 

[Ashmal]

Its quite funny to see everyone now finding a fault in Hasnain's action after he has been banned.

I wonder where all these experts were in the last 3 years...

 

[MenInG]

English fans dont care about Bumrah's bowling action. The issue regarding Bumrah's bowling action is being raised by pakistani fans ( only because Hasnain got caught). They are the ones who are suspect him of chucking and claim that ICC equals to BCCI and what not.

We have a Pakistani umpire in the panel, and this umpire is regarded amongest the best. Why doesnt he report it if it is suspicious bowling action.

Bowling actions can be reported while the bowler is bowling (like in Muralis case), or examine the footages after the match.


If Pakistanis think that Bumrah chucks and Aleem Dar doesn't report in the matches he is involved with India than his credibility with regards to officiating do come into question..

The whole argument of because Hasnian got caught than Bumrah should be to is flawed.

Even if Bumrah is tested and comes out clean, these fans are not gonna accept the test result and call it a conspiracy of ICC and BCCI.
They already called the Hasnain test a conspiracy even though the test took place in Lahore Lums

Slow bowler or fast? Tell me if you are standing as an umpire and someone bowls with a quick arm action vs a spinner - who do you think, will you be able to catch with your naked eye? Just a simple commonsense type thing bro.

 

[Thanos]

Slow bowler or fast? Tell me if you are standing as an umpire and someone bowls with a quick arm action vs a spinner - who do you think, will you be able to catch with your naked eye? Just a simple commonsense type thing bro.

But umpires can easily access footage after match and report of suspected action. Why Aleem or any other umpire hasn't done yet for Bumrah?

 

[Major]

Slow bowler or fast? Tell me if you are standing as an umpire and someone bowls with a quick arm action vs a spinner - who do you think, will you be able to catch with your naked eye? Just a simple commonsense type thing bro.

when you are standing on the ground, you can catch glimpses of a bowlers action pacer included.

But before reporting, umpires would have to look at the video clips and be sure after reporting the bowler.

Alot of discussion goes around on Bumrahs action, if the umpires wanted they could had reported him after doing a video analysis which they have access through the third umpire.

Even when standing, glimpses of Bumrahs action could be seen.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvC741aVqpk

heres a gopro worn by an umpire in Abu Dhabi, when the pacer crosses the umpire that's when he throws the ball and can be visualized.

 

[Savak]

Would like Pont to do a similar analysis on Harbhajan and Ashwin.

 

[IMMY69]

But umpires can easily access footage after match and report of suspected action. Why Aleem or any other umpire hasn't done yet for Bumrah?

Can any players, let alone the captain of the side, speak in to the stumps microphone and call the tv producers cheats on live television?

 

[IMMY69]

Its quite funny to see everyone now finding a fault in Hasnain's action after he has been banned.

I wonder where all these experts were in the last 3 years...

You bring up a very good point.

Lets wait to hear Mr Pont's response on this. The expert bowling coach who never picked this up three years ago...

 

[cricketjoshila]

I have questioned it.
But I also asked for the relevant sites to be pointed out so that I can see the reports to confirm his hyperextension. To this day no one has posted a link.

Do Ian Pont's pictures actually show anything? Are they lab tested pictures?
All I would like to know is,

1. Was Bumrah tested?
2. If so where are the results?

Why should he be tested?

 

[Rajdeep]

Would like Pont to do a similar analysis on Harbhajan and Ashwin.

Bhajji's doosra was dodgy but he stopped bowling those. His off spin action was fine.

Ashwin? He has one of the best actions in world cricket...super smooth.

 

[Thanos]

Can any players, let alone the captain of the side, speak in to the stumps microphone and call the tv producers cheats on live television?

Apples oranges.
What that incident has to do anything with Bumrah-Hasnain bowling action?

 

[IMMY69]

I'm sorry that Bumrah happens to be Indian.

But my point remains. Why is it that Bumrah has never been reported and why can't anyone share a link to his hyperextension results?

Is it because he is Indian and no one wants to flog the golden goose?
Just like Indian players can get away with calling the host tv company cheats and stuff like "its the entire country vs 11'' and only receive a caution for it?

 

[IMMY69]

Apples oranges.
What that incident has to do anything with Bumrah-Hasnain bowling action?

See post 38

 

[Rajdeep]

I'm sorry that Bumrah happens to be Indian.

But my point remains. Why is it that Bumrah has never been reported and why can't anyone share a link to his hyperextension results?

Is it because he is Indian and no one wants to flog the golden goose?
Just like Indian players can get away with calling the host tv company cheats and stuff like "its the entire country vs 11'' and only receive a caution for it?

Aree bhai...if Bumrah dosent chuck why would he get reported? Why dosen't Shaheen Shah Afridi gets reported? Why dosen't every bowler that is playing gets reported?

Proper cricket coaches who played the game at highest level like Pont doing analysis and explaining why Bumrah dont chuck but still you want him to get reported.

Why? Just bcoz he is an Indian and you are upset bcoz Hasnain got caught chucking in Australia..so want someone from India to get reported as well?

Hilarious

 

[cricketjoshila]

Are we just to take your word that bumrah has hyper extension? Where is this been tested and confirmed?

Im not saying he chucks but there Seems like theres different rules for different people or teams

No, take the word of the likes of Ian Pont or Damien Fleming.

A bowler wont be tested if he isn't reported. And he won't be reported if his action isnt suspicious.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Can any players, let alone the captain of the side, speak in to the stumps microphone and call the tv producers cheats on live television?

Yes. They can. Tv producers are just contract holders like the hotel players are staying or the caterer who serves them food. TV producers are not ICC officials.

If the TV broadcaster is aggrieved, he can approach the court and file for defamation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I'm sorry that Bumrah happens to be Indian.

But my point remains. Why is it that Bumrah has never been reported and why can't anyone share a link to his hyperextension results?

Is it because he is Indian and no one wants to flog the golden goose?
Just like Indian players can get away with calling the host tv company cheats and stuff like "its the entire country vs 11'' and only receive a caution for it?

But why will he be reported if his action is not suspicious? Has any expert called his action suspicious? A bowler wont get tested because you want him to be tested, unless you are the umpire

His hyper extension is for everyone to see even in the OP.

Find me a ICC rule that says players cant criticize the broadcaster.

 

[IMMY69]

Aree bhai...if Bumrah dosent chuck why would he get reported? Why dosen't Shaheen Shah Afridi gets reported? Why dosen't every bowler that is playing gets reported?

Proper cricket coaches who played the game at highest level like Pont doing analysis and explaining why Bumrah dont chuck but still you want him to get reported.

Why? Just bcoz he is an Indian and you are upset bcoz Hasnain got caught chucking in Australia..so want someone from India to get reported as well?

Hilarious

Why would it upset me that Hasnain got reported?
I am sad for him of course I am as I would be for any bowler that played for three years and then got reported. But he needs to remodel his action and thats perfectly fine.

 

[IMMY69]

But why will he be reported if his action is not suspicious? Has any expert called his action suspicious? A bowler wont get tested because you want him to be tested, unless you are the umpire

His hyper extension is for everyone to see even in the OP.

Find me a ICC rule that says players cant criticize the broadcaster.

Because it is suspicious.
If it wasn't then why would people, including so called experts, be saying that he has hyperextension?
Every bowler in the past that turned out to have hyperextension was tested. So where are his results that proves he has hyperextension?

Photos don't really do it for me. I would like to see a proper lab report to confirm he has hyperextension.

 

[Major]

I'm sorry that Bumrah happens to be Indian.

But my point remains. Why is it that Bumrah has never been reported and why can't anyone share a link to his hyperextension results?

Is it because he is Indian and no one wants to flog the golden goose?
Just like Indian players can get away with calling the host tv company cheats and stuff like "its the entire country vs 11'' and only receive a caution for it?

Funny how you pretend its not an indian issue you have yet you talk about the Kohli and stump mic issue.

Get over it.

As said many times, if he is suspected than Aleem Dar should had reported him in the matches he officiated with him.

 

[Kashmirilion]

Bumrah doesn't chuck I dunno why our fans are embarrassing themselves for calling bumrah out just because hasnain got banned. I am no fan of Indian cricket but I can tell you without any bias that bumrahs actions thought it is not very aestheticly pleasing to the eye it is a clean action. From the moment bumrah cocks up his action in to his bowling stride to the moment he rotates his arm and bowls his arm is always straight with a sling and hyperextension.

 

[Major]

Because it is suspicious.
If it wasn't then why would people, including so called experts, be saying that he has hyperextension?
Every bowler in the past that turned out to have hyperextension was tested. So where are his results that proves he has hyperextension?

Photos don't really do it for me. I would like to see a proper lab report to confirm he has hyperextension.

Interesting.

This same posters was making judgements of Hasnain bowling based on photos and was asking for side on photos. Now on Bumrahs case photos arn't enough

Just went to the other thread where there are videos of him bowling.
To me the action looks clean although there are no side on footage.

He's played enough international cricket and franchise cricket where we've all seen him bow on TV and to me he never looked like he was chucking.

I would like to see his bouncer from a side on angle

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...n-reported-in-the-BBL&p=11411039#post11411039

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because it is suspicious.
If it wasn't then why would people, including so called experts, be saying that he has hyperextension?
Every bowler in the past that turned out to have hyperextension was tested. So where are his results that proves he has hyperextension?

Photos don't really do it for me. I would like to see a proper lab report to confirm he has hyperextension.

Suspicious according to who? Which umpire? Which commie? Which expert?

Every bowler who had hyper extension was tested in the past? Really? Not true.

And the rules have been changed since 2006.

International cricket is run on the basis of rules, if umpires dont report, bowler isn't tested. No one has questioned Bumrah's action. He won't be tested because you want him to be tested.

 

[Thanos]

I'm sorry that Bumrah happens to be Indian.

But my point remains. Why is it that Bumrah has never been reported and why can't anyone share a link to his hyperextension results?

Is it because he is Indian and no one wants to flog the golden goose?
Just like Indian players can get away with calling the host tv company cheats and stuff like "its the entire country vs 11'' and only receive a caution for it?

Are you saying that not a single living entity from cricket world has got spine enough to just raise a concern on Bumrah's action?

Aleem dar who is considered one of the best and after all this years he's still afraid of his career?

I know an umpire has to report of suspecting action but why no one else talks about Bumrah's action other than Pak fans.

Michael holding who doesn't have anything to lose, openly criticised IPL and everyone knows his dislike of Ind cricket. He wasn't man enough to call Bumrah's action dodgy?

Last month some ex-SA player unnecessarily dragged IPL while praising Jansen. Just like him there are other players/commentators/umpires who don't have anything to lose. But no one has raised any concern yet. Not even on social media.

Though it was uncalled for but Henriques termed Hasnain chucker during live BBL match but not a single player from any country has raised concern over Bumrah's action. Not even PAK players.

PCB who has guts enough to go to court against BCCI, Pak players playing or retired who have nothing to lose and are already sidelined by BCCI, all are afraid of raising a small concern?
Your ex players come on tv and talk for hours on world cricket. All these years since Bumrah is playing they couldn't find his action dodgy?

But yeah, you need a report.
It's like my neighbour is very rich, he must be doing something illegal. I need a report which says he is doing everything legal.

 

[Wahid1234]

This is a clear conspiracy against hasnain full stop he has the cleanest action in world cricket as his arm straightens at point of delivery it’s clear cut

 

[IMMY69]

Interesting.

This same posters was making judgements of Hasnain bowling based on photos and was asking for side on photos. Now on Bumrahs case photos arn't enough




http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...n-reported-in-the-BBL&p=11411039#post11411039

This is absolute nonsense.

I shouldn't have to justify myself against such rubbish.
It's as bad and calling Hasnain a cheat.

Moderators take note of this please.

My earlier posts on Hasnain were one of shock as it never looked like he was chucking, especially from the photos / captions presented of him bowling in the BBL. But there was bo side on shot so I qualified it by saying I would need to see a side on photo to gain and idea.

HOWEVER, I'm not an expert and never said he was chucking or not chucking. I just expressed my surprise like many others did. I am glad he was tested and the restyle show he has work to do.

But this is not obtain a Hasnain's actions. It is about double standards.

 

[Major]

This is absolute nonsense.

I shouldn't have to justify myself against such rubbish.
It's as bad and calling Hasnain a cheat.

Moderators take note of this please.

My earlier posts on Hasnain were one of shock as it never looked like he was chucking, especially from the photos / captions presented of him bowling in the BBL. But there was bo side on shot so I qualified it by saying I would need to see a side on photo to gain and idea.

HOWEVER, I'm not an expert and never said he was chucking or not chucking. I just expressed my surprise like many others did. I am glad he was tested and the restyle show he has work to do.

But this is not obtain a Hasnain's actions. It is about double standards.

this thread is about hasnain and Bumrah's action

and the double standard you talk about is by you. If side on photos of Hasnain was good enough than, i am pretty sure for Bumrah's case it should be the same. Instead of saying photos dont do it for me

 

[IMMY69]

this thread is about hasnain and Bumrah's action

and the double standard you talk about is by you. If side on photos of Hasnain was good enough than, i am pretty sure for Bumrah's case it should be the same. Instead of saying photos dont do it for me

Again, you are being dishonest.

When did I say that a side on photo would prove anything?

 

[Buffet]

Just try to chuck with Bumrah's action.

It's very hard to do so even if you intentionally try to chuck with his action.

 

[Zaz]

The point is why are we relying on the umpires to make a call such All bowlers should be tested uniformly to avoid bias and selectiveness

No umpire will call an indian if he wants a career thats a fact

At the moment like everything else some players r at a disadvantage at every turn and others the opposite

 

[HitWicket]

This is a clear conspiracy against hasnain full stop he has the cleanest action in world cricket as his arm straightens at point of delivery it’s clear cut

Someone's arm straightening at the point of delivery is the definition of chucking...

 

[HitWicket]

Yes. They can. Tv producers are just contract holders like the hotel players are staying or the caterer who serves them food. TV producers are not ICC officials.

If the TV broadcaster is aggrieved, he can approach the court and file for defamation.

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, there is no requirement for statements to be against players/officials in the bringing the game into disrepute code of conduct clause.

 

[volcyz]

This is a clear conspiracy against hasnain full stop he has the cleanest action in world cricket as his arm straightens at point of delivery it’s clear cut

Clear cut chucking if a bent arm straightens at point of delivery mate

 

[Ian Pont]

You bring up a very good point.

Lets wait to hear Mr Pont's response on this. The expert bowling coach who never picked this up three years ago...

https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1489878338676084740?s=20&t=wHUWzH-NQ5LiUbw3weTYzA



So expert I picked it up before everyone else, but was being kind

 

[Major]

You bring up a very good point.

Lets wait to hear Mr Pont's response on this. The expert bowling coach who never picked this up three years ago...

https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1489878338676084740?s=20&t=wHUWzH-NQ5LiUbw3weTYzA

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So expert I picked it up before everyone else, but was being kind

There you go [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION], Pont himself just called you out...

Happened twice in the thread.
[MENTION=131682]Ian Pont[/MENTION] I wanted to ask, as an expert with bowling actions, do you think Hasnain can fix up his issue and return back to cricket, or is this going to be a dead end towards his career?

 

[Romali_rotti]

https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1489878338676084740?s=20&t=wHUWzH-NQ5LiUbw3weTYzA

View attachment 114781

So expert I picked it up before everyone else, but was being kind

Well, that settles it folks. Heard it from Ian directly, RIP to all the conspiracy theorists and shame on the ppl that was saying Hasnain's action is perfectly legal...

 

[IMMY69]

https://twitter.com/Ponty100mph/status/1489878338676084740?s=20&t=wHUWzH-NQ5LiUbw3weTYzA

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So expert I picked it up before everyone else, but was being kind

There are contradictions. He's either a wonderful prospect in 2019 that will probably progress naturally or he was throwing it even back then?

So many people missed it back then but that's all fine.
He clearly has issues that needs to be fixed.

Bumrah's Hyperextension, is it something that has to be confirmed by a doctor or physician?

 

[cricketjoshila]

As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, there is no requirement for statements to be against players/officials in the bringing the game into disrepute code of conduct clause.

What disrepute? Complaining about a contractor is bringing the game into disrepute?

 

[Ryw]

Hasnain action is perfectly legal, these are the stills from photo which suits their theory, however in action or slow motion action his action is fair.
Shame on Australian Cricket for playing with the career of a young fast bowler.

 

[IMMY69]

Hasnain action is perfectly legal, these are the stills from photo which suits their theory, however in action or slow motion action his action is fair.
Shame on Australian Cricket for playing with the career of a young fast bowler.

The tests have shown otherwise and so he clearly has an issue.

 

[IMMY69]

There you go [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION], Pont himself just called you out...

Happened twice in the thread.
[MENTION=131682]Ian Pont[/MENTION] I wanted to ask, as an expert with bowling actions, do you think Hasnain can fix up his issue and return back to cricket, or is this going to be a dead end towards his career?

There you go?
Sorry but that post doesn't explain anything.
I am not disputing whether Hasnain chucks or doesn't chuck.
What I am saying is that everyone failed to see it for three years and of course the double standards when it comes to testing other bowlers.

 

[HitWicket]

What disrepute? Complaining about a contractor is bringing the game into disrepute?

They weren't just complaining about a contractor though. Suggesting the game is being influenced by corrupt tampering with the technology blatantly brings the game into disrepute because it's clearly not in the interest of the game to suggest that and is an inappropriate comment.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They weren't just complaining about a contractor though. Suggesting the game is being influenced by corrupt tampering with the technology blatantly brings the game into disrepute because it's clearly not in the interest of the game to suggest that and is an inappropriate comment.

They have complained about a contractor and their behaviour. Nothing to do with the game.

Contractor is free to sue them.

 

[Mesozoic]

There you go?
Sorry but that post doesn't explain anything.
I am not disputing whether Hasnain chucks or doesn't chuck.
What I am saying is that everyone failed to see it for three years and of course the double standards when it comes to testing other bowlers.

And why should they test "other bowlers"?

If ICC starts testing all the bowlers everytime a Pakistani gets caught, they'll run out of coffers inside 5 years.

Atleast try to be logical and sensible for once.

 

[HitWicket]

They have complained about a contractor and their behaviour. Nothing to do with the game.

Contractor is free to sue them.

How on earth is suggesting the broadcaster is manipulating the technology to change the third umpires decision and the course of the game 'nothing to do with the game'.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

And why should they test "other bowlers"?

If ICC starts testing all the bowlers everytime a Pakistani gets caught, they'll run out of coffers inside 5 years.

Atleast try to be logical and sensible for once.

And yet we’ll still have a better fast bowling attack than our neighbours

 

[Ryw]

According to Ian Pont theory Bhumra is bowling with same extenion, look at the release

Bhumra is doing same, as I said earlier Cricket Australia should be ashamed of themselves for ruining young boys careers with their cultural bullying, they dont have the guts to question Bhumra because rotation of dollars effects. Double standards

 

[HitWicket]

According to Ian Pont theory Bhumra is bowling with same extenion, look at the release

Bhumra is doing same, as I said earlier Cricket Australia should be ashamed of themselves for ruining young boys careers with their cultural bullying, they dont have the guts to question Bhumra because rotation of dollars effects. Double standards

Hasnain has an obvious bend at his elbow when his arms reaches shoulder level, Bumrah does not.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

As a neutral lover for true pace bowling - i wish mo hasnain all the v best. I hope the PCB and his state cric association and other associated powers help and guide in correcting whatever is wrong and hopefully a young promising bowlers comes back -better, mentally stronger and more improved and shows his mettle.

 

[Ian Pont]

There you go [MENTION=491]IMMY69[/MENTION], Pont himself just called you out...

Happened twice in the thread.
[MENTION=131682]Ian Pont[/MENTION] I wanted to ask, as an expert with bowling actions, do you think Hasnain can fix up his issue and return back to cricket, or is this going to be a dead end towards his career?

He can of course return to cricket fully re-integrated. Just as long as those working with him understand how to get him back to his best and not just simply to pass the test. There is a difference. During this downtime he will also be able to look at a couple of other things as mentioned in my post 3 years ago, that will assist his speed & accuracy improvement, plus more.

 

[Ian Pont]

Just to further help people, a hyperextension is the ability the bend the elbow (possibly forwards in most cases) in what's known as a negative angle to the forearm. It can be due to a hyper mobile joint in the arm, which you are BORN with, or sometimes a slight deformation of the arm. I attach a pic of Shoaib who was always cleared of having an issue due to his arm.

It isn't always obvious that a hyperextension exists - often until someone bowls - other times it is obvious. But that's why there is testing. My own view is it's time to test EVERY bowler before they play professional cricket at every level. that way we will all know for sure.

And finally, just because an arm is bent, doesn't mean it's a chuck. The arm has to straighten by 15 degrees or more, not be bent by 15 degrees or more (excluding hyperextension). I hope this helps everyone who is simply being patriotic or anti another country for the sake of it. We want the game to be clean and fair for all.

 

[MesonK]

Can PCB get Ian Pont's services to help fast bowlers? We naturally rely upon them to win matches for us so we have to invest the highest in the fast bowling department.

 

[mazkhan]

According to Ian Pont theory Bhumra is bowling with same extenion, look at the release

Bhumra is doing same, as I said earlier Cricket Australia should be ashamed of themselves for ruining young boys careers with their cultural bullying, they dont have the guts to question Bhumra because rotation of dollars effects. Double standards

No he didn't.

Bumrahs arm is straight when he releases the ball he has hyperextension of the elbow a extremely flexible mobile elbow joint . It gives the illusion by the naked eye it's bent when released.

Hasnain doesn't have hyperextension or double jointed he is stiff , his kink you can see how he has a kink loaded prior and then when he released it straightens that's called a throw or chuck and is illegal.

 

[Monsee]

What I find truly hillarious in all this is that some Indians are saying 'We Pakistanis don't understand what hypeextension is or we don't get why Bumrah is given free licence due to that etc.' lol

Are you kidding me he wrote the book on that when some of you were still in diapers

And most Indians used to call him a chucker, cheat etc.