[PICTURES] Will BazBall thrive in India?

[Mamoon]

The series has been good preparation for the next Ashes. England should be appreciative of the Indians for helping them find out the chinks in the bazball armour.

I don’t think England is stupid enough to go to Australia with Stokes and Bazball after this necessary treatment dished out by India.

Not only will they be losing 5-0, the amount of sledging by the Australian players and the media trolling would mentally destroy these players.

Australia must be licking their lips at the prospect of Bazball arriving on their shores because like the rest of us, they too are super annoyed with this nonsense.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

26 sixes by Jaiswal.
27 sixes by England

This is more Jaisball.

Bazball only works against weaker bowling teams. Humiliation for Stokes & Co, lots of hype and talk after one fluke win in the series.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Won't be surprised to see if India has scored at a faster rate than Bazball team in most of the innings this series.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

Instead of building a "deep attacking batting line up" if they pick 5 world class bowlers without worrying about their batting capacity they would have had a sustainable model. THat is what India did. They had one of the weakest tail for long. But they have been at the top for so many years.

World class bowlers don't grow on trees buddy.

India's bench strength is undeniably strong, unfortunately England don't have that luxury. The worry is once Anderson retires, the next inline are not exactly hammering the door down. It's the same with spin. Both Hartley and Bashir ate nitvfiest choice for their counties lol.

 

[aboveandbeyond]

I don’t think England is stupid enough to go to Australia with Stokes and Bazball after this necessary treatment dished out by India.

Not only will they be losing 5-0, the amount of sledging by the Australian players and the media trolling would mentally destroy these players.

Australia must be licking their lips at the prospect of Bazball arriving on their shores because like the rest of us, they too are super annoyed with this nonsense.

I actually agree with your points. This Baz ball has really been overhyped. In Fact it's caused self inflicted damage. Root the only world class player in the line up has been brain washed in to this nonesense

 

[jnaveen1980]

India 66 sixes
England 27 sixes

India's strike rate 56
ENgland's strike rate 60

India's avge 38.71
England's avge 25

India has 5 centuries 12 fifties
England has 3 centuries 6 fifties

They have beaten Indian in one category though besides strike rate

India 9 ducks
England 13 ducks

 

[FearlessRoar]

Nasser Hussain reacted to England's batting collapse against India in the 5th Test. During a program on a local English sports channel, he said:

"I think in batting, it's an individual look at your own game and try to work out how to improve. Whether it's under any coach, captain, or playing with the best, like Ravi Ashwin, who's playing in his 100th test match, always looking at himself, trying to improve and get better. Look at Kuldeep Yadav, a magnificent day again with a 5-fer. It's his second time coming back into test match cricket, and he's learned and improved. He's bowling quicker, more accurate, with very variations."

"So, each of those England batters has to look at themselves and ask, 'How do I get better?' Zak Crawley has improved, becoming more consistent. However, now he keeps getting out between 50 and 70. In the middle order, Jonny Bairstow is trying to counter-attack, counter-punch, getting to 20 or 30 and getting out. Ben Stokes is facing difficulties with the bat, not picking Kuldeep Yadav. Ben Foakes starts from the tail."

"So, whatever era, coach, or captain you play under, the most important voice in your head is not the captain and coach. It's your own thought process on how to be a better cricketer. Hopefully, by the end of this tour, everyone will look at themselves and say, 'Alright, we don't hide behind a BazBall mentality. Let's try and improve our own game.'"

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The series has been good preparation for the next Ashes. England should be appreciative of the Indians for helping them find out the chinks in the bazball armour.

Nice rationalisation but truth is the challenges are very different.

There is is about managing the high bounce and having accurate fast medium/fast bowlers .

The only thing similar will be the final scoreline

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Nice rationalisation but truth is the challenges are very different.

There is is about managing the high bounce and having accurate fast medium/fast bowlers .

The only thing similar will be the final scoreline

Cricketing challenges are different but the mental challenges and the bazball approach itself are what will be refined. England spoke about trying to find the line. India helped them find it.

 

[Mamoon]

All things considered, this series has proved to be one of the biggest humiliations in history of English cricket.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I don’t think England is stupid enough to go to Australia with Stokes and Bazball after this necessary treatment dished out by India.

Not only will they be losing 5-0, the amount of sledging by the Australian players and the media trolling would mentally destroy these players.

Australia must be licking their lips at the prospect of Bazball arriving on their shores because like the rest of us, they too are super annoyed with this nonsense.

I think you are a bit out of touch with the thinking of English fans and indeed even the ECB. There hasn't been much criticism of Stokes or Bazball. The talk has been about how Bazball is great but individual players need to refine their approach.

Stokes and Mccullum will be in charge for sure and the plan is now to work on Bazball 2.0.

If they get embarrassed in the Ashes then there will be changes.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

All things considered, this series has proved to be one of the biggest humiliations in history of English cricket.

It doesn't even make the top 20.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Cricketing challenges are different but the mental challenges and the bazball approach itself are what will be refined. England spoke about trying to find the line. India helped them find it.

If that was indeed what they were looking for, they should have found it in the Ashes last year. If anything they look slightly confused about how to approach it .

 

[Statpadder Inc]

It doesn't even make the top 20.

I dont agree with him reg this being the biggest humiliation but name the top 20

 

[DeadlyVenom]

If that was indeed what they were looking for, they should have found it in the Ashes last year. If anything they look slightly confused about how to approach it .

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I dont agree with him reg this being the biggest humiliation but name the top 20

Nah. You can read about them yourselves.

Losing to a great India team isn't a humiliation.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Bazball or not, unless England fix their bowling, they won't prevent a disaster in the next Ashes. Anderson is 41, Wood is 34 and can't play back to back matches, Robinson was bowling 115 kph cutters in the previous test, last time in Australia he resorted to bowling off breaks. Spinner's role is not defined yet. Tough road ahead if they are serious about competing in the Ashes, they are 0-13 in their last 15 tests in Australia.

 

[WengerOut]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

Ok now this is a new excuse. Indian series is not a big deal for Eng. Papua New Guinea can say only the Fiji island series is a big deal for them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

Not really lol Aussies trolled England more than Indians. Because they are the onest making statements like "world has to play like us" "We are here to entertain" "We won 3-0 morally" "Your players play like us". That is why ridicule was warranted. For India it was a pure transition series. Look at the number of debuts.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Ok now this is a new excuse. Indian series is not a big deal for Eng. Papua New Guinea can say only the Fiji island series is a big deal for them.

I don't need to make excuses for them. I am just saying it like it is.

 

[WengerOut]

I don't need to make excuses for them. I am just saying it like it is.

And how are you so sure about the "like it is "?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not really lol Aussies trolled England more than Indians. Because they are the onest making statements like "world has to play like us" "We are here to entertain" "We won 3-0 morally" "Your players play like us". That is why ridicule was warranted. For India it was a pure transition series. Look at the number of debuts.

Yeah the Aussies are trolling because it's their rivals and they too have one eye on the Ashes.

The statements from some of the England camp were very poor and farcical at times but they never denigrated India or tried to put down the opposition. There was over confidence but I may have missed the stuff you have put in quotations during the series. Can you provide some links to these quotes

India did win with a number of debutants and played great cricket but it was an expected result in the end.

I think the reality is India are just a great test side and it's business as usual rather than a humiliation for England.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

And how are you so sure about the "like it is "?

Through being surrounded by English fans and English media.

Their approach to cricket actually used to be something that annoyed me when I was younger.

 

[WengerOut]

Through being surrounded by English fans and English media.

Their approach to cricket actually used to be something that annoyed me when I was younger.

I meant the part where you said this is a bigger deal for Indians. All i saw was England players spat some farcical statements and it backfired. Naturally they will get trolled like everything else in this world. Not that Indians started it first.

 

[Swashbuckler]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

I guess t was a bigger deal because of this transition phase in Indian test squad, and many of us felt we were in serious risk of losing the home streak. Last time we had this transition phase, we lost to England in 2012. After the manner in which we lost in Hyderabad, Bazball became more of a talking point. Luckily we found some good youngsters and many players including washed up seniors stepped up at the right time.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I meant the part where you said this is a bigger deal for Indians. All i saw was England players spat some farcical statements and it backfired. Naturally they will get trolled like everything else in this world. Not that Indians started it first.

Ok fair enough. I can't speak too much on the Indian opinion. Perhaps it meant nothing to either side.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I guess t was a bigger deal because of this transition phase in Indian test squad, and many of us felt we were in serious risk of losing the home streak. Last time we had this transition phase, we lost to England in 2012. After the manner in which we lost in Hyderabad, Bazball became more of a talking point. Luckily we found some good youngsters and many players including washed up seniors stepped up at the right time.

I think the identification of Indian youngsters and how quickly they adapted to test cricket is something that deserved more plaudits but it's getting lost in the bazball criticism.

 

[Mockingbird]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

Yeah it was such a big series that Kohli decided to give it a miss and Ashwin left it midway to attend to his fainting mom!

Nobody would have given a damn to Bazball if not for the arrogant English players trying to preach cricket technique to the whole world on the back of rolling Pakistan in Pakistan and forgetting that India is a fortress! Taking credit for Jaiswal’s strike rate or taking ‘moral victory’ route (whatever that means) or sooking about pitches even before a ball was bowled was just some of the ways that England has annoyed whole of India. No wonder Sharma gave it back at that press conference.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I think the identification of Indian youngsters and how quickly they adapted to test cricket is something that deserved more plaudits but it's getting lost in the bazball criticism.

I don't think they criticize they just mock them just like the rest of the world does. When under strength India set 377 for win at the Edgbaston Stokes said "wish they had set 450" Seriously? Who would say that other than arrogant team?

 

[RyanRyan10]

Yes we saw Stokes’ clutchness in this series. Zero quantity and zero quality.

Kohli didn’t play this series but he had the same impact on the outcome as Stokes did.

Babar Azam fans are calling Virat Kohli a statpadder. What an irony!

 

[Nikhil_cric]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

Some England fans and part time England fans were happily celebrating the 1st Test win in India though.

Can't just turn around and say we don't care when things go south.

If England fans care only about the Ashes and not Indian tours(forget about smaller sides ) , then they should stop crying about the decline of Test cricket and call for actions to somehow support Test cricket in other nations from BCCI's share of ICC revenues

 

[Mamoon]

I think you are a bit out of touch with the thinking of English fans and indeed even the ECB. There hasn't been much criticism of Stokes or Bazball. The talk has been about how Bazball is great but individual players need to refine their approach.

Stokes and Mccullum will be in charge for sure and the plan is now to work on Bazball 2.0.

If they get embarrassed in the Ashes then there will be changes.

Tbh, I don't disagree with you. ECB and England fans have been completely delusional about Bazball and after the reality-checks in this series, most of them are still in denial.

Everyone can see that they need to change more than just Bazball. The biggest red flag is Stokes himself - he looks done and dusted. His batting is gone, he doesn't bowl and he looks like a walking injury. A lot was said about his amazing tactics and this and that, but his tactics have been found wanting as well.

I will not be surprised to see England laboring under the delusion that Stokes-McCullum and Bazball 2.0 or whatever it is can produce something in Australia. Stokes' captaincy, McCullum's coaching and this little Bazball gimmick have run its course.

 

[Mamoon]

It doesn't even make the top 20.

You can't put a definite number on such things. If I ask you to list the top 20 biggest humiliations for England, you will struggle to list or remember them. However, when you look at how much England have been barking about Bazball and how much noise has been created over the last two years, this unraveling in India cannot be undermined as just another lost series in India. It is a lot more than that.

 

[Mamoon]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

You can't blame Indians after the type of statements that have come out of the England camp during this series alone.

 

[RidiculousMan]

After seeing fair bit of BazzBall. I believe it is a way of playing Test Cricket on Max Difficulty. Not planning for a 5 Day Test match is dumb.

Why won't you use all days to your advantage and devise tactics from that?

 

[Ab Fan]

Stokes don't merit a place in the team. He has been extremely poor with bat.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Ben Stokes only averages 34.8 with the bat in the Bazball era.

If he's not going to bowl, he's a bit of a liability himself in the Test side.

 

[JaDed]

This series was a bigger deal to Indian fans than England. You guys took Bazball personally for some reason.

Naw England kept hyping bazball for some reason.
English usually whine they don’t hype themselves as they did this time

 

[jnaveen1980]

Naw England kept hyping bazball for some reason.
English usually whine they don’t hype themselves as they did this time

English fans go to extremes. They are also one of the most self-critical fans. Sometimes it brings out their sense of humor. Team is getting bagged by experts.

 

[the Great Khan]

Bazball only works on flat pitches against poor bowling attacks like ours..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You can't put a definite number on such things. If I ask you to list the top 20 biggest humiliations for England, you will struggle to list or remember them. However, when you look at how much England have been barking about Bazball and how much noise has been created over the last two years, this unraveling in India cannot be undermined as just another lost series in India. It is a lot more than that.

I've watched their cricket growing up. Trust me I can name them. Losing to a great Indian team isn't really up there.

You mentioned in another post that they have been delusional about Bazball. I think some of their comments have been deliberately over the top but it's some deliberate but albeit amateur psychology designed to try and instill confidence in their own players than to try to hype bazball to the world.

I genuinely do think its just another lost series and not as major a setback to their aprpoach as you believe.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You can't blame Indians after the type of statements that have come out of the England camp during this series alone.

There were just one or two statements and those statements were so cringe that Indians shouldn't get worked about them.

I think the Indians have created a narrative that has put a slightly different and perhaps more hostile spin on the series. They felt personally insulted that England would try to attack against them, wounded after the first test and really took things to heart too much after that.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I have seen England over the years. They always come to subcontinent with a "drawing"mentality. You don't expect much from them. THey just want to get away with just 1 or 2 loss. I remember Ashley Giles right away bolidng outside the leg stump to Tendulkar. They made peace with that. But current lot came in with a lot of anticipation. With India going thorugh transition England was projected to breach the fortress. Especially after their comeback win in the first Test where India play daft shots in the first innings and committed harakiri. Kuldeep was not even played in that match. So with 4 tests to go and England needing just 2 more to win the famous series some pundits declared already they won the series. Even i had skpeticism about India's transition plans as Gill was being inconsistent. Patidar was crap. So all the projections were crushed to dust. Make no mistake it is not just England missed opportunities. India also missed a lot of opportunities. But they managed to overcome them.

 

[Vikram1989]

I've watched their cricket growing up. Trust me I can name them. Losing to a great Indian team isn't really up there

How come this is a great indian side?
Middle order is new,fragile and Gill is forever a doubtful starter against quality bowling. There is an almost washed up rohit.shami,kohli,kl, pant are not there.Jaiswal,jurel,kd,few times Gill saved the team. If eng can't beat the half performing team, what's the use?

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Deadly Vemon is right.
Unless you lose to Australia in the Ashes no one cares too much.
The cricket cycle for English fans and the ECB revolves around the Ashes — that even included ignoring the World Cup until Strauss’s white Ball reset with Morgan et al.

Whilst it maybe irritating for many, the Ashes has preeminence for English fans and the media.
The team have been given a pretty gentle ride despite some shocking displays (today was a real nadir).

Stokes will lead England to Australia as long as he wishes to do so.
If,as expected and as usual, England get hammered there, then he will resign.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

That bazball hype created some extra pressure on England which led them not to change their batting method on these slow wickets which actually costed them.

 

[James]

Rohit Sharma while addressing the media in the pre-match press conference before the commencement of the fifth and final Test match:

"There was this guy called Rishabh Pant, probably Duckett hasn’t seen him bat."

"Honestly don’t know what BazBall means. Whether it is strike, I don’t know what this terms means. They played better cricket when they were here in the last series. Credit to two (Three) of the batters who scored a ton here."

Going to have to pick up on this, because it looks like a misquotation or mistranslation which completely changes the meaning.

Rohit Sharma plays down Bazball, responds to Ben Duckett's comments

Rohit Sharma gave Ben Duckett a reminder about Rishabh Pant in response to his comments.

www.icc-cricket.com

"But, yeah, clearly they have played better cricket from what they played the last time they were here. And you got to give credit to two of their batters who got big hundreds there, and played well. They applied their method to get some success and they got it. But other than that I don't know what it means."

Rohit as quoted by ICC actually gave some credit to England and “Bazball”. Said England have improved. I think this should be clarified.

 

[Ab Fan]

England played some good cricket and some mediocre cricket in this tournament. It was refreshing to see the openers showing consistency in their batting but pretty embarassing the way the experienced middle order buckled down most of the times. That's where India thrived and won the big moments of the series and ultimately nailed the series.

 

[James]

Not only will they be losing 5-0, the amount of sledging by the Australian players and the media trolling would mentally destroy these players.

I think this is a moot point. Because it is just what happens anyway. Except in the past (2010/11 apart), Australia’s sledging in their home Ashes is about England in their view not being able to handle it, mentally disintegrating, losing all of the games including the warm ups, being weak, not being able to play Warne/McGrath, being scared of Mitchell Johnson, wanting to pack their bags and run off early, etc. So the subject of the sledging in 2025/26 will change to stuff about Bazball, but the sledging itself will be the same level of intensity. It’s one of the many reasons why it is so challenging for England to win there.

 

[Buzzinga]

Nah. You can read about them yourselves.

Losing to a great India team isn't a humiliation.

I hope you're trolling!!!

How is this a great Indian team with so many newbies and debutants?

Jaiswal, Jurel, Akashdeep, Bharath, Mukesh, Patidar, Sarfaraz, Paddikal, Kuldeep(Only 12 tests).

Jaiswal has been phenomenal but still a newbie. Our most experienced batsman is captain Rohit Sharma, who isn't known very much for test exploits. Bowlers like Bumrah, Siraj, Jadeja have been rested in between.

Heck i don't even remember when was the last time we fielded such an inexperienced team. If anything England have their most of first choice players in their squad, still they botched up.

 

[Vikram1989]

Nah. You can read about them yourselves.

Losing to a great India team isn't a humiliation.

@Buzzinga he is parroting nasir Hussain's lines in sky. obviously nasir wants to save embarrassment for his team by hyping indian team.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Deadly Vemon is right.
Unless you lose to Australia in the Ashes no one cares too much.
The cricket cycle for English fans and the ECB revolves around the Ashes — that even included ignoring the World Cup until Strauss’s white Ball reset with Morgan et al.

Whilst it maybe irritating for many, the Ashes has preeminence for English fans and the media.
The team have been given a pretty gentle ride despite some shocking displays (today was a real nadir).

Stokes will lead England to Australia as long as he wishes to do so.
If,as expected and as usual, England get hammered there, then he will resign.

Couldn't be more wrong about that. With all the hoopla surrounding bazball one thing i like about this English side is they pay attention to each and every series unlike the previous English sides who would pretend to treat other series as preparation for Ashes. This side took the every series seriously hence they managed to make their presence felt in some capacity. Fans are in agreement with this. That is why there is heavy criticism from their own fans towards this England side as they all feel it is a missed opportunity.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Bazball has been a failure on this Indian tour. England has been outclassed by some in experienced bunch of guys who had very little exposure to international cricket, still, they ended up humiliating England with all of their hooooh and haahs of Bazball.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India going at 4.61 without too many risks

 

[jnaveen1980]

Gill has to stick with these ground shots in order to build big innings in the future. He has failed to convert so many starts

 

[cricketjoshila]

Great Indian team?

No Virat
No Shami
No Pant

Bumrah missed a match
Jadeja missed a match
KL missed most of the series.

Jaiswal had 7 tests before the series
Gill had 20 tests.

Sarfaraz
Jurel
Patidar
Akashdeep
Paddikal

All made their debuts.

The English media and some posters are trying to shield the failures of their team by calling a B- Indian team as great.

 

[Savak]

India has totally owned and bossed England who look soft and mentally disintegrated by now.

Glad Stokes captaincy is being shown up against the big boys.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Great Indian team?

No Virat
No Shami
No Pant

Bumrah missed a match
Jadeja missed a match
KL missed most of the series.

Jaiswal had 7 tests before the series
Gill had 20 tests.

Sarfaraz
Jurel
Patidar
Akashdeep
Paddikal

All made their debuts.

The English media and some posters are trying to shield the failures of their team by calling a B- Indian team as great.

True. England bowling quality didn't majorly suffer. If anything Hartley has done better than what Leach did on a much more helpful pitch. It was a given this is the bowling with which they were playing bazball for a while. Also young bowlers have more latitude as they can always come back if they bowl a bad ball. If young batsman makes a mistake that's it.

 

[James]

A few rough losses might do this England regime some good. Take out the jazbaati media soundbites and stop pretending you don’t mind losing, which is easy to say when you’re not losing. Whereas losing four in a row should pointedly remind them of how much it hurts to lose and maybe they’ll start taking things more seriously from now on.

 

[jnaveen1980]

A few rough losses might do this England regime some good. Take out the jazbaati media soundbites and stop pretending you don’t mind losing, which is easy to say when you’re not losing. Whereas losing four in a row should pointedly remind them of how much it hurts to lose and maybe they’ll start taking things more seriously from now on.

India had their no.3/no.4/no.5 averaging 30 for 3 years (Rahane/Kohli/Pujara). Yet India was at the top of the ranking. Reason is their bowling. Bowling is way more important than batting in Tests. England should build a strong bowling unit. Kohli built a strong 4 pacer attack and one spinner. Their batting suffered as the tail got longer. But it gave more wins for India than before. That is the balance they have to strike.

 

[WengerOut]

A few rough losses might do this England regime some good. Take out the jazbaati media soundbites and stop pretending you don’t mind losing, which is easy to say when you’re not losing. Whereas losing four in a row should pointedly remind them of how much it hurts to lose and maybe they’ll start taking things more seriously from now on.

You know i agree with this.. Just be organic in your attitude when things dont go well.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I hope you're trolling!!!

How is this a great Indian team with so many newbies and debutants?

Jaiswal, Jurel, Akashdeep, Bharath, Mukesh, Patidar, Sarfaraz, Paddikal, Kuldeep(Only 12 tests).

Jaiswal has been phenomenal but still a newbie. Our most experienced batsman is captain Rohit Sharma, who isn't known very much for test exploits. Bowlers like Bumrah, Siraj, Jadeja have been rested in between.

Heck i don't even remember when was the last time we fielded such an inexperienced team. If anything England have their most of first choice players in their squad, still they botched up.

Jaiswal and Kuldeep although relatively new are both very very rated and have considerable international experience overall.

Kuldeep may only have had 12 tests but has more tests than England's three spinners combined.

You guys fielded a team including Ashwin,Jadeja, Sharma, Bumrah, Siraj.

These players are all Indian greats and would get into an Indian ATG squad ( perhaps not Siraj).

This is a great Indian side in home conditions. The replacement players coming are surrounded by winners.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

@Buzzinga he is parroting nasir Hussain's lines in sky. obviously nasir wants to save embarrassment for his team by hyping indian team.

Nasser isn't Gavaskar. He isn't on the payroll. His comments don't make the back pages never mind the front pages and the cricket segment lasts a couple of minutes on sky sports news.

The last thing on his mind will be 'saving' his team from embarrassment lol.

English sports media pundits generally have a field day when one of their teams get hammered because they can really get some screen time and up the ante with their criticisms.

 

[James]

This is a great Indian side in home conditions.

There will always be players missing due to injury, suspension, personal reasons (etc), that is the nature of sport. What’s clear is how strong the depth is and how good any Indian Test side they put out is going to be at home. They hardly drop a Test let alone a series at home for a reason.

 

[Vikram1989]

Nasser isn't Gavaskar. He isn't on the payroll. His comments don't make the back pages never mind the front pages and the cricket segment lasts a couple of minutes on sky sports news.

Indian current team must have been beaten by aus team.eng were awful team ,who were not able to captilize it . ind team was good nothing special. .Evry one know ,Nassir always plays to gallery of whom .Eng commentators will hype other team but never accepts their inability.Even cook was adamant that everything is perfect.

 

[Amjid Javed]

England should have shown enough intelligence to find a happy medium between playing solidly and going after the bowlers.

All we have heard on this tour is England didn't want their batsmen playing like previous tours with the so called not knowing which ball would turn, whar would go straight on. They would supposedly play bowling on merit, yet they haven't all they have done is tried to smack every ball out of the park.

So the so called playing the game situation or on merit once again hasn't been done. Hiding behind a so called mantra of "we are playing for positive results" win or lose is an easy thing to hide behind when the cricket onfield has lacked any sort of intelligence, discipline. In game management when game has been in balance has been atrocious.

England bazball is the equivalent of a HW boxer knocking out loads of fighters, but when you get to the top and your coming up against opponent with similar power, and you have no other skills to show off you will get exposed as one dimensional.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Nasser isn't Gavaskar. He isn't on the payroll. His comments don't make the back pages never mind the front pages and the cricket segment lasts a couple of minutes on sky sports news.

The last thing on his mind will be 'saving' his team from embarrassment lol.

English sports media pundits generally have a field day when one of their teams get hammered because they can really get some screen time and up the ante with their criticisms.

Nasser and Athers are forever known to play to make comments that play to the opposition gallery.

They will big up opposition players when England beats them to hype the English players. Or they will simply call the opposition team great to defend the poor performance of the English team.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Though we are missing big names, many of the replacements have done well and are expected to do great in the future as well. Patidar, Mukesh, Iyer etc were shocking but look at Sarfaraz, Akashdeep, Jurel. Losing so many big names is a blessing in disguise for us because we are always reluctant to try out young blood.

 

[Mamoon]

It is okay if Bazball proved to be busted tyre on this tour, the ultimate goal, as their washed up captain has stated numerous times, is to make Test cricket more entertaining and bring more eyeballs to the format.

I think they achieved that. Their stupidity and self-destruction on this tour has been very entertaining to watch and I’m sure a lot of people tuned in to watch the destruction of the Bazball.

“Taking the result away from the mindset is a great starting point. Putting focus on making every day entertaining. Not allowing people to know what is going to happen. If people turn up excited about what they are going to watch you've already won before a ball has been bowled”

“We’re not focused on winning as a side, we’re focused on making people enjoy watching and bringing Test cricket alive again”

Bazball is a parody.

 

[Vikram1989]

Though we are missing big names, many of the replacements have done well and are expected to do great in the future as well.

This is like aus 21 tour.We got replacements for almost every spot and defended the fortress at home,coming from behind.

 

[cricketjoshila]

There will always be players missing due to injury, suspension, personal reasons (etc), that is the nature of sport. What’s clear is how strong the depth is and how good any Indian Test side they put out is going to be at home. They hardly drop a Test let alone a series at home for a reason.

I don't remember India having so many debutants in a home series in 30 years.


Most teams are stronger at home. Its not exclusive to India.

England has been ahead in tests and have then given away the advantage quite a few times.

India learnt from its mistakes in the first test. England didn't learn from its win.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Couldn't be more wrong about that. With all the hoopla surrounding bazball one thing i like about this English side is they pay attention to each and every series unlike the previous English sides who would pretend to treat other series as preparation for Ashes. This side took the every series seriously hence they managed to make their presence felt in some capacity. Fans are in agreement with this. That is why there is heavy criticism from their own fans towards this England side as they all feel it is a missed opportunity.

If your hypothesis was correct then the current ranking of England in the Test championship (one from bottom) allied with only one series win during the so-called Bazball era would demand the chop for Stokes and the coach.

The fact there are no such calls proves my point — whilst there is inevitable disappointment at the missed opportunities and poor performances, no one is calling for changes.

They are about to lose the series 4-1, only Sri Lanka are below them — if this is how they “pay attention to each and every series” and “make their presence felt” I’d hate to see when they take a more laissez-faire attitude….

 

[cricketjoshila]

It is okay if Bazball proved to be busted tyre on this tour, the ultimate goal, as their washed up captain has stated numerous times, is to make Test cricket more entertaining and bring more eyeballs to the format.

I think they achieved that. Their stupidity and self-destruction on this tour has been very entertaining to watch and I’m sure a lot of people tuned in to watch the destruction of the Bazball.

“Taking the result away from the mindset is a great starting point. Putting focus on making every day entertaining. Not allowing people to know what is going to happen. If people turn up excited about what they are going to watch you've already won before a ball has been bowled”

“We’re not focused on winning as a side, we’re focused on making people enjoy watching and bringing Test cricket alive again”

Bazball is a parody.

This is saying

Safar khoobsurat hai manzil se bhi,

Kyunki zaroori nahi ki manzil mile kabhi.

 

[jnaveen1980]

If your hypothesis was correct then the current ranking of England in the Test championship (one from bottom) allied with only one series win during the so-called Bazball era would demand the chop for Stokes and the coach.

The fact there are no such calls proves my point — whilst there is inevitable disappointment at the missed opportunities and poor performances, no one is calling for changes.

They are about to lose the series 4-1, only Sri Lanka are below them — if this is how they “pay attention to each and every series” and “make their presence felt” I’d hate to see when they take a more laissez-faire attitude….

They care about winning the tests not winning the WTC. There is a difference. They are selling an idea. IN order to prove they must win everywhere not just the Ashes. So they are particular about that alright. THey adopted that strategy against NZ, India in one off test, SA, Pakistan, NZ again and Australia. A typical England side would be happy to take 3 draws in Pakistan. Would not have made bold acceleration or declaration at the risk of losing a test. This is not the "Ashes obsessed" typical English side. But for rain they would have sealed the Ashes. Also a dropped catch in the first test cost them the first test.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

They care about winning the tests not winning the WTC. There is a difference. They are selling an idea. IN order to prove they must win everywhere not just the Ashes. So they are particular about that alright. THey adopted that strategy against NZ, India in one off test, SA, Pakistan, NZ again and Australia. A typical England side would be happy to take 3 draws in Pakistan. Would not have made bold acceleration or declaration at the risk of losing a test. This is not the "Ashes obsessed" typical English side. But for rain they would have sealed the Ashes. Also a dropped catch in the first test cost them the first test

Elite sport is about winning.
Very good sides win.
Great sides win and entertain.
Sides that entertain but do not win are still losers.

They cannot make the ridiculous (and extraordinarily patronising) comments, that the current mamangement and team have made, unless you win.

As the Germans say, there is a warm comforting feeling of schadenfreude about their defeats — a degree of humility would be welcome.

 

[MP2011]

After seeing fair bit of BazzBall. I believe it is a way of playing Test Cricket on Max Difficulty. Not planning for a 5 Day Test match is dumb.

Why won't you use all days to your advantage and devise tactics from that?

Wasn't it ECB which proposed 4-days tests?

Perhaps, they were unveiling Bazball.

 

[FearlessRoar]

England offspinner-allrounder Moeen Ali, during an interview with a sports channel, said:

"Bazball is not just slogging. These guys are sweeping and reverse-sweeping more than they ever used to do. For example in India now they have sent bowlers back under pressure in tough situations. They have also soaked it up when they need to. It is about winning games at the end of the day. They won in Pakistan on three unbelievably flat wickets. They did it by scoring 400-500 runs in a day. They understood that they could move the game forward by scoring 500 in a day. It leaves enough time to bowl teams out. That would be what Bazball is, really. It is great for Test cricket."

 

[jnaveen1980]

Elite sport is about winning.
Very good sides win.
Great sides win and entertain.
Sides that entertain but do not win are still losers.

They cannot make the ridiculous (and extraordinarily patronising) comments, that the current mamangement and team have made, unless you win.

As the Germans say, there is a warm comforting feeling of schadenfreude about their defeats — a degree of humility would be welcome.

I also love to troll them for their ridiculous, insulting statements and act like someone who conquered world domination. But they tried something different to improve numbers as a team. To their credit it improved. But it was not a sustainable model. Everyone knew. But they kept telling it will work.

 

[Mamoon]

Stokes and McCullum have done a really great job of making England the most unlikable Test side. The world cricket is indebted to India for bursting their bubble. This treatment was necessary.

If God forbid England would have fluked this series against a depleted India, we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Stokes cult would have erected a statue outside the MCC.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Stokes and McCullum have done a really great job of making England the most unlikable Test side. The world cricket is indebted to India for bursting their bubble. This treatment was necessary.

If God forbid England would have fluked this series against a depleted India, we wouldn't have heard the end of it. Stokes cult would have erected a statue outside the MCC.

Nasser Hussain would visit that statue and spend one hour every day for sure