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Good from England they've adjusted. Baz and stokes never said they'll only look to score at 5-6 rpo every game.
Very exciting and watchable team
 
Lots of cricket left to play but if the roles were reversed and England was in India’s situation right now, some posters would be on this thread talking about the how Stokes and McCullum “deserved this humiliation.”

Results truly speak for themselves. Stokes and McCullum turned a bunch of batsmen who averaged in the 30s and a team that had won 1 out of 17 matches into a team that almost beat Australia in the Ashes, before rain ruined the fun, and now are competitive against India in India.
 
Game is far from over but if England wins I can already hear the excuses and reasons this isn't a "real" win
 
England has made a good comeback, thanks to Root and now they are doing well with the ball as well. Root left the Bazball behind and rightly so. He should stick to his natural game and all will be fine for him.
 
Crawley was stuck on the crease earlier but now seems to have found his rhythm back. England is going at 4.5 RR after 10 overs. Root needs to stay put and play his natural game,.
 
England are bottling it. They implicitly accepted that Bazball is a stupid way to play Test cricket and decided to play orthodox Test cricket, putting themselves in a very strong position against a depleted Indian side.

But it seems that the weak leadership of Stokes cannot get England over the line no matter what.

Stronger leaders stick by their guns and they don’t let outside noise impact them. Stokes and McCullum talked a good game when Bazball was working on flat pitches against ordinary teams but as soon as the pressure built up, they caved.

What happened to “we want to entertain” and “this is how Test cricket is meant to be played”?

It appears that entertainment and evangelism weren’t part of the agenda for this Test match.

England winning this Test would have been a huge thing for Bazball and England losing this Test - after shoving Bazball aside - would been a huge thing for Stokes and McCullum who, in my opinion, are reaching the end of their 2 year circus.

@Forum363
 
Root's ton was a massive slap to the face of the bazball approach.
However, England have been excellent this series, very competitive in 3 out of the 4 tests so far,

And that too without their main spinner in Leach and against a rampaging Jaiswal and Bumrah, Australia played an Indian team without Bumrah and Jaiswal but with ks bharat . Even Dhruv Jhurel has come out of nowhere and played a ridiculous knock. So this is actually a stronger Indian team than before.

Aus or any other team wouldn't have put up such a fight.
 
sindhiboy said:
Root's ton was a massive slap to the face of the bazball approach.
However, England have been excellent this series, very competitive in 3 out of the 4 tests so far,

And that too without their main spinner in Leach and against a rampaging Jaiswal and Bumrah, Australia played an Indian team without Bumrah and Jaiswal but with ks bharat . Even Dhruv Jhurel has come out of nowhere and played a ridiculous knock. So this is actually a stronger Indian team than before.

Aus or any other team wouldn't have put up such a fight.
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Aussies are known for such fightbacks bro, don't discard them.
 
England have been reasonably competitive throughout the series on a session to session basis, more so than they have in the previous two tours of India, but they have had one absolutely shocking day apiece in games 3 and 4, the sort that usually costs a team a Test match — and so there won’t be an improvement in the final scoreline unfortunately.

There are some positives to take away for England, like rousingly coming back to win the first Test, Bashir’s 5fer (he looks very good), and three impressive centuries being scored by their top four, as well as Crawley’s consistent and much improved batting. But it’s another tour of regrets up to now.
 
But let's be brutally honest. If India have

Kohli
Rahul
Shami
Bumrah

All series, there's a fair chance England losing 5 - 0
 
aboveandbeyond said:
But let's be brutally honest. If India have

Kohli
Rahul
Shami
Bumrah

All series, there's a fair chance England losing 5 - 0
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There will always be players missing in every series for any team I guess… England are missing Brook and Leach who would have been better (for example) than Bairstow and Rehan Ahmed. The teams are the teams.
 
James said:
England have been reasonably competitive throughout the series on a session to session basis, more so than they have in the previous two tours of India, but they have had one absolutely shocking day apiece in games 3 and 4, the sort that usually costs a team a Test match — and so there won’t be an improvement in the final scoreline unfortunately.

There are some positives to take away for England, like rousingly coming back to win the first Test, Bashir’s 5fer (he looks very good), and three impressive centuries being scored by their top four, as well as Crawley’s consistent and much improved batting. But it’s another tour of regrets up to now.
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I think that’s a fair summary.
I agree it will potentially be a series of regrets (though who knows what will happen tomorrow) because India had key players missing ( Kohli, Shami, Pant, Rahul, on occasion Jadeja and Ashwin) and England have had opportunities
 
Failed to beat Australia at home. Failed to beat New Zealand away. On the brink of losing 4-1 in India.

It is clear that Bazball is not what it looked like and not the revolutionary brand of cricket that was going to change the way Test cricket will be played.

It is time for England to go back to the basics and adopt a sustainable brand of Test cricket that has stood the test of time and has brought them a lot of success in the past.

Stokes should be sacked as captain but there also serious question marks over his inclusion in the team - he is a walking injury, he doesn’t bowl and although he was never a reliable batsman, his capacity to produce those magical knocks is greatly diminishing.

He is finished or at least very close to being finished and is clearly past his prime. I don’t see him playing beyond 2025 at most.
 
Not only has he frailties of Bazball has been exposed in this series, but the mindset of England has also been exposed.

Stokes in particular has made some ludicrous statements that clearly indicate that India have mentally rattled him.

His defensive mindset in this Test is a reflection of the above.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
But let's be brutally honest. If India have

Kohli
Rahul
Shami
Bumrah

All series, there's a fair chance England losing 5 - 0
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Rahul played in the first test and I dont think Kohli would've made such a huge difference.
Jaiswal has made more of an impact than any other batsman.

Shami is probably the only one missing who would've made a big impact. But as i said, this current team that includes bumrah, jaiswal and jurel is far stronger than the team that australia faced a year ago.
 
sindhiboy said:
Rahul played in the first test and I dont think Kohli would've made such a huge difference.
Jaiswal has made more of an impact than any other batsman.

Shami is probably the only one missing who would've made a big impact. But as i said, this current team that includes bumrah, jaiswal and jurel is far stronger than the team that australia faced a year ago.
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Kohli not made a difference! LOL

Against this England attack kohli would have feasted.
 
Bazball has made a difference.


This series is far closer that last 2.


But English team abandoned the positive batting aspect of bazball when they needed it the most. Today. When they were setting a target.


Pope's baz inning in Hyderabad was needed today by any of the English middle order. But they all went in shell too much.
 
MenInG said:
Excerpt from Bazball (book) in which Rob Key explains how McCullum outlined his philosophy when he was interviewed for the job.

Bit more to BazBall than the just aimless slogging


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They couldn’t wait to write a book for posterity about Bazball.English media and they way hype up all things English is unbelievable. Let the idea show that it Ivan sustain over few years, but no, let’s write a book after couple of series itself.
 
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JattMaula said:
Bazball has made a difference.


This series is far closer that last 2.


But English team abandoned the positive batting aspect of bazball when they needed it the most. Today. When they were setting a target.


Pope's baz inning in Hyderabad was needed today by any of the English middle order. But they all went in shell too much.
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Not really. Last time when India lost big at Chennai, they were really not sure of batting capabilities on flat pitches and ended up giving bowling friendly pitches.

There is no such fear this time. If England had played last series on such pitches, India would have tough time beating England and at best it would have been 2-1.
 
Joe Root spoke to the press after Day 3 stumps of the 4th Test:

"It's not about being arrogant... Bazball is a word that's used a lot but that's your word, that's not how we look at it. It's about how can we get the best out of each other as a team, how we're going to get better as a group. You're not always going to get it right but we'll continue to keep trying to improve."
 
They can define, re-define the word bazball any number of ways. But they attached "baz" to that because of the crazy way he used to bat when he was as a player. Basically playing positively. It kinda helped with a couple of average batsmen like Crawley, Duckett. Bairstow as a batsman always batted aggressively. I remember him doing that even before bazball. They extended that to other players. On flat wicket with so much batting depth their hope was someone or the other clicking. But in challenging conditions they were found wanting. I remember they lost one match heavily to SA. Pakistan series really helped them sell this bazball concept where Pak bowlers were unimaginative and toothless.
 
JattMaula said:
Bazball has made a difference.


This series is far closer that last 2.


But English team abandoned the positive batting aspect of bazball when they needed it the most. Today. When they were setting a target.


Pope's baz inning in Hyderabad was needed today by any of the English middle order. But they all went in shell too much.
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They did try but ran into Ashwin + Kuldeep in top form with the new ball and collapsed to 19/2 and with the pitch playing tricks it was not going to be easy to go full tilt. Even then they were going at a RR of ~4 until Crawley got out.
 
England have not been silly in this match & they have played relatively normal Test cricket this time. I think they’ve done ok until their batting in the 2nd innings. Unfortunately it was the kind of physical and mental collapse that happens to touring sides in India.

I am not sure if a different approach would have produced a particularly improved result on this occasion. The pitch is deteriorating and the spin bowlers for India were absolutely superb. England just didn’t have the answers this time.

Even then, England would have still been in with a chance of defending 190 with a top class bowling attack for these conditions. But they just don’t produce spin bowlers of this quality, hardly ever.

It has been great for the rookie spinners personally, and possibly the England teams of the future, for these boys to be getting such rich experience in India, and I think they will take home some more good scalps from the tour — but the task for them tomorrow, actually bowling out a great team on their own turf to win a Test match, looks like a bit too much of a tall order for now.
 
James said:
England have not been silly in this match & they have played relatively normal Test cricket this time. I think they’ve done ok until their batting in the 2nd innings. Unfortunately it was the kind of physical and mental collapse that happens to touring sides in India.

I am not sure if a different approach would have produced a particularly improved result on this occasion. The pitch is deteriorating and the spin bowlers for India were absolutely superb. England just didn’t have the answers this time.

Even then, England would have still been in with a chance of defending 190 with a top class bowling attack for these conditions. But they just don’t produce spin bowlers of this quality, hardly ever.

It has been great for the rookie spinners personally, and possibly the England teams of the future, for these boys to be getting such rich experience in India, and I think they will take home some more good scalps from the tour — but the task for them tomorrow, actually bowling out a great team on their own turf to win a Test match, looks like a bit too much of a tall order for now.
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Stokes aggravated the situation by trying to copy Rohit's strategy to open with spinners to bowl with new ball which is a completely different craft altogether. Not everyone can bowl spin effectively with a new ball. Chances are that you will just leak runs which is what happened.

They showed how Ashwin bowled differently with the new ball vs the old ball and it was fascinating to watch. Personally I just love the modern tech that makes Cricket viewing soo enjoyable for Cricket nerds.
 
If you look at each match session by session its actually been close.

Good cricket overall and India are deservedly infront.

Definitely not bad enough for England to abandon the project but certainly some food for thought on playing sensibly at times and also the need to tone down the wild statements.
 
England have competed very well in the series tbf to them, bazball has forced India to change their approach.

Out of all SENA nations, england has always done the best in India
 
James said:
England have not been silly in this match & they have played relatively normal Test cricket this time. I think they’ve done ok until their batting in the 2nd innings. Unfortunately it was the kind of physical and mental collapse that happens to touring sides in India.

I am not sure if a different approach would have produced a particularly improved result on this occasion. The pitch is deteriorating and the spin bowlers for India were absolutely superb. England just didn’t have the answers this time.

Even then, England would have still been in with a chance of defending 190 with a top class bowling attack for these conditions. But they just don’t produce spin bowlers of this quality, hardly ever.

It has been great for the rookie spinners personally, and possibly the England teams of the future, for these boys to be getting such rich experience in India, and I think they will take home some more good scalps from the tour — but the task for them tomorrow, actually bowling out a great team on their own turf to win a Test match, looks like a bit too much of a tall order for now.
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I think even on flat pitches they should play normal cricket if needed. Grind, bat out the opposition. THey were hook happy against Australia and lost the plot. Root also got out at crucial time in NZ when the match was in grasp. ONly if they do that there they can use the same strategy on challenging pitches. The crazy declaration against Australia was totally not needed when they had chance to add more runs and keep Aussies on the field more time. Batting time has another advantage which is to give adequate rest for your bowlers. There was a reason why the popular relentless probing by Aussie trio was broken in 2018. Pujara simply batted time. He batted 1200 plus deliveries in that series with 3 centuries. That is a staggering 200 plus overs in a series. They caved in eventually. Fresh Indian bowlers were able to inflict damage with ball against tired Aussies.
 
Ask Indian bowlers, they will be happy if Bazball vanishes altogether..Their normal services are yielding better results for them than Bazball ..If opposition is too familiar and dominant in certain conditions than Bazball is good motivating factor for an underdog team ..
 
sindhiboy said:
Rahul played in the first test and <B>I dont think Kohli would've made such a huge difference.</B>
Jaiswal has made more of an impact than any other batsman.

Shami is probably the only one missing who would've made a big impact. But as i said, this current team that includes bumrah, jaiswal and jurel is far stronger than the team that australia faced a year ago.
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I can't fathom how you came up with such a great analytical statement!! You do realize Patidar replaced Kohli :facepalm
There is a reason why players like Kohli have a reputation, and it's because they show up in important games. Quite certain we wouldn't have lost that first Test if Kohli was around.
 
charlie007 said:
I can't fathom how you came up with such a great analytical statement!! You do realize Patidar replaced Kohli :facepalm
There is a reason why players like Kohli have a reputation, and it's because they show up in important games. Quite certain we wouldn't have lost that first Test if Kohli was around.
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On top of it, Kohli was in red hot form in sa.He must have scored a century in hyd first innings for sure to close the door.
 
charlie007 said:
I can't fathom how you came up with such a great analytical statement!! You do realize Patidar replaced Kohli :facepalm
There is a reason why players like Kohli have a reputation, and it's because they show up in important games. Quite certain we wouldn't have lost that first Test if Kohli was around.
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patidar didnt play the first test. england not having harry brook is a much bigger loss than india not having kohli.
 
When Harry Brook, who was like cow on ice against spinners in the IPL, is touted as the saviour or "would have made a difference" player, you know the excuses have hit rock bottom.
 
Sometimes England got carried away with Bazball when they had to put their heads down and grind, like last test when Ashwin had to leave for family emergency.

But this test they lost in their second innings and played Pujaraball, not Bazball. That partnership between Foakes and Bashir was ridiculous, batted for close to an hour and scoreboard didn't move.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Brook looked like a headless chicken against spin in India even in IPL against kookaburra. Imagine him against SG ball on thrse pitches.
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brook is a better player of spin than pope and and more importantly, bairstow. even root struggled in the ipl.
 
WengerOut said:
When Harry Brook, who was like cow on ice against spinners in the IPL, is touted as the saviour or "would have made a difference" player, you know the excuses have hit rock bottom.
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Fans tend to overrate players who do well against their teams. This might be the case here.
 
It’s not an excuse - he is a key batsman. Harry Brook can be vulnerable in short form cricket because there is limited time to play with and he is a streaky starter. It’s the same in Tests, when for the first 20-25 balls you can easily get him out, Pope too.

IPL is a completely different environment to Test cricket. I find it difficult to believe that given 8 opportunities Harry Brook, with his batting average in Tests, wouldn’t have scored a useful fifty here at the very least (and probably more).

Who would he have played instead of? One of the two wicketkeepers. Bairstow and Foakes have had 16 efforts between them here; and not even a single fifty has been scored by them at all, which is dog poor.
 
It is futile to think about missing players. Ultimately both teams played who they thought were their best players available, and honestly teams like India, England, Australia are expected to have good depth because of their strong focus on FC cricket. Injuries, poor selection are part and parcel of cricket.

Let's just look at the positives. If Kohli and Shami had played we wouldn't have seen young Sarfaraz and Akashdeep. Same with Jurel in place of Pant. Leach was missing but in his absence you saw young Bashir do so well this match. Brook missed out but it was a big opportunity for Bairstow to redeem himself in India, he is also one of the most successful exponents of Bazball approach. Maybe Pope would have missed out for Brooks 1st match because of his poor reputation against spin, but then who would have scored that brilliant matchwinning 196 in Hyderabad?
 
The entire English batting line up looks like they're in good nick, apart form perhaps Stokes. All of them have had starts and plenty of 50+ scores. The problem is no one goes big, ie. no centuries or doubles. They need to understand, once in, then go big. All of them have got starts and looked solid at the crease, but then find new ways to get out despite the Indian bowling looking clueless. This is an exceptionally strong, talented side that can win anywhere in the world, that's what makes them both exciting and frustrating to watch.
 
Eng competed well in 3 out of 4 tests. If the spin attack was a bit better then Eng may have won more games.
 
Buffet said:
Eng competed well in 3 out of 4 tests. If the spin attack was a bit better then Eng may have won more games.
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It's not spin reserves failure. Its about approaching the situation rationally messed up the results.In 3rd match, they lost with batting big time in first innings and then jaiswal etc piled the runs to bury them.Again in 4th match, they were not able to think clearly in the second innings. Once root got out they were stuck and played 25 overs with out scoring any runs.it is clear lack of thought and confidence on their failed approach.
 
sindhiboy said:
brook is a better player of spin than pope and and more importantly, bairstow. even root struggled in the ipl.
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Not in Indian conditions. It is way harder to swing through the line against spin. We all saw what happened to anyone who tried to attack.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Sometimes England got carried away with Bazball when they had to put their heads down and grind, like last test when Ashwin had to leave for family emergency.

But this test they lost in their second innings and played Pujaraball, not Bazball. That partnership between Foakes and Bashir was ridiculous, batted for close to an hour and scoreboard didn't move.
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What an unnecessary dig at Pujara, who has been instrumental in some if indias finest test wins. If all top 6 were Pujara, then the team would have been all out for 145 on this pitch?
 
sindhiboy said:
brook is a better player of spin than pope and and more importantly, bairstow. even root struggled in the ipl.
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Root never struggled in ipl,it was due to team dynamics.He was competing with butler,boult etc for a overseas spot in packed middle order
 
Vikram1989 said:
it is clear lack of thought and confidence on their failed approach.
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The team has been playing like this for just 20 months. Bazball really started in June 2022, in the second Test v New Zealand. (first Test was just a run of the mill normal match.) McCullum isn’t even half way through his contracted tenure.

For the England players, many of whom are very experienced international cricketers but probably have never been coached or taught to think/bat like this at any level (going all the way back to when they were playing in the Under 9s teams at school), this is still quite a new and different way of playing for them. Dont forget that there is a strong opposition contingent to Bazball in the English press just as there is a supportive camp.

We will continue to see refinements.
 
England did not bazball in the 4th test. They played conventionally. I think bazball works for 2 guys Crawley, Stokes. Bairstow even before bazball was known for aggression. As a matter of fact he was one of the key guy in devising this strategy. All the others should play normally.
 
Vikram1989 said:
It's not spin reserves failure. Its about approaching the situation rationally messed up the results.In 3rd match, they lost with batting big time in first innings and then jaiswal etc piled the runs to bury them.Again in 4th match, they were not able to think clearly in the second innings. Once root got out they were stuck and played 25 overs with out scoring any runs.it is clear lack of thought and confidence on their failed approach.
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Despite Eng batting poorly in many innings, I think they could have won if let's say Indians were facing Ashwin and Co. Eng spinners bowled well, but they also gave very easy runs at times and that's due to inexperience.

Eng needs to give proper chance to these spinners. I was impressed by them. Given how much experience they have, they surpassed the expectations.

Not excusing Eng poor batting many times. They also had a chance to kill the game, but we forget that Eng batting was facing very good bowling. India's batting was very raw with very little experience and Eng was not able to capitalize that much due to their spinners also having less experience.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
England did not bazball in the 4th test. They played conventionally. I think bazball works for 2 guys Crawley, Stokes. Bairstow even before bazball was known for aggression. As a matter of fact he was one of the key guy in devising this strategy. All the others should play normally.
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And Duckett.


Almost like team has 2-3 agressive batters and everything else is same.
 
JattMaula said:
And Duckett.


Almost like team has 2-3 agressive batters and everything else is same.
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sorry i meant Duckett not stokes. Duckett and Crawley they need bazball. Any other way will be a recipe for disaster. They will go back to being average. Bairstow is good on true wickets. But on wickets like this he can't survive too long after a cameo. Pope is wildly inconsistent due to his starting troubles. If you want to get pope get him early. He gives you a lot of chances. Once settled down he looks okay.
 
I would love to see England thrive in test cricket. It is good for the game. But their big mouths and their media’s fawning make me dance on their failures. Doubt they will learn their lesson.
 
You need experienced spinners in India to be successful. Swann was successful in 2012 but every time teams have come to India with inexperienced spinners, they have failed.
 
Iceland cricket is roasting bazball now
 

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jnaveen1980 said:
England did not bazball in the 4th test. They played conventionally. I think bazball works for 2 guys Crawley, Stokes. Bairstow even before bazball was known for aggression. As a matter of fact he was one of the key guy in devising this strategy. All the others should play normally.
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I think this would be the best balance -

Bazball: Crawley, Duckett, Bairstow.
Conventional: Pope, Root, Foakes.
Move up gears 1-5 and bat with tail: Stokes.
Conventional with some well chosen hits: tail.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pope is wildly inconsistent due to his starting troubles. If you want to get pope get him early. He gives you a lot of chances. Once settled down he looks okay.
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One of the poorest starters I’ve seen. Looks like a tailender for first 25 balls. After that he looks decent. Not sure why he starts so badly. They need to work on that with him because he can’t keep being a walking wicket at number 3. Once teams get an English opener out they know they have a great chance of doubling up the wicket column with Pope skipping out there in his ice skates.
 
James said:
It’s not an excuse - he is a key batsman. Harry Brook can be vulnerable in short form cricket because there is limited time to play with and he is a streaky starter. It’s the same in Tests, when for the first 20-25 balls you can easily get him out, Pope too.

IPL is a completely different environment to Test cricket. I find it difficult to believe that given 8 opportunities Harry Brook, with his batting average in Tests, wouldn’t have scored a useful fifty here at the very least (and probably more).

Who would he have played instead of? One of the two wicketkeepers. Bairstow and Foakes have had 16 efforts between them here; and not even a single fifty has been scored by them at all, which is dog poor.
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Ipl isnt a good way to judge a player's test capabilities, but this was a good opportunity for England to pick a spin bowling all rounder in Brook's absence.

Not picking Liam Dawson, who was the best spinner in last year's county season and also averaged 40 with the bat, was a shocking decision from the England selectors and proved to cost them the series.
Root was playing as a specialist spinner in the first 3 tests, it was clear England desperately needed a spin bowling all rounder. Liam Dawson is the most experienced spinner and offered the consistent control that Hartley lacked, he probably would've scored more runs than Bairstow as well.
As soon as Leach was out of the tour, Dawson was supposed to be brought straight back in place of Bairstow or Rehan.

Other selection errors include picking only one seamer in vizag, which was the most seamer friendly pitch of the series. England also lacked a fast bowler like Wood or Atkinson this test match who would have made use of the pitch's variable bounce and had a higher chance of getting the tail enders like Kuldeep out early and seal the game for England by preventing the Indian comeback
 
James said:
I think this would be the best balance -

Bazball: Crawley, Duckett, Bairstow.
Conventional: Pope, Root, Foakes.
Move up gears 1-5 and bat with tail: Stokes.
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This. Pope really should be looking to bat long along with Root.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
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Did John Wright forget Englands home summer?

England trashed India and New Zealand. Two teams I would have thought John keeps his eye on.

Currently Bazball v India stands at 3-2 to India ( based on overall matches). If England win the next test match it will be 3-3.
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In England bazball will work fine on those roads prepared for the bazball.Everyone knows it won't work on bowling pitches .After proclaiming jaiswal learnt from bazball,playing 25 overs for 36 runs is the epitome of hypocrisy and bazball failure.It will blow away mediocre teams and may sustain against good teams on roads.Just like maths,A solution has to work for all categories not for some randon sample size which suits them.
 
Vikram1989 said:
In England bazball will work fine on those roads prepared for the bazball.Everyone knows it won't work on bowling pitches .After proclaiming jaiswal learnt from bazball,playing 25 overs for 36 runs is the epitome of hypocrisy and bazball failure.It will blow away mediocre teams and may sustain against good teams on roads.Just like maths,A solution has to work for all categories not for some randon sample size which suits them.
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Their previous solution didnt work in India anyway.

It seems like India got unnecessarily triggered by Bazball and took it personally. Most of the criticism and 'jokes' seem to indicate this.

On the field it provided a good series and for the English some good data for the main series which is the Ashes next year.

Off the field I do agree with some of the criticism of the silly statements from the England camp.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
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Did John Wright forget Englands home summer?

England trashed India and New Zealand. Two teams I would have thought John keeps his eye on.

Currently Bazball v India stands at 3-2 to India ( based on overall matches). If England win the next test match it will be 3-3.
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Trashing an Indian team led by Jasprit Bumrah is not exactly the greatest advertisement of Bazball’s success.

Bazball proved to be a failure in the Ashes and in India and it was a much needed reality check for England because they were getting carried away.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Their previous solution didnt work in India anyway.

It seems like India got unnecessarily triggered by Bazball and took it personally. Most of the criticism and 'jokes' seem to indicate this.

On the field it provided a good series and for the English some good data for the main series which is the Ashes next year.

Off the field I do agree with some of the criticism of the silly statements from the England camp.
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It provides no data for any series. Bazball has no impact when the opposition bowling attack is superior to England's.

Every team they have beaten until now had inferior attacks.

Even the Ashes were drawn only after Lyon got injured.

Australia in Australia will have the superior attack , barring a miracle . So that's a foregone conclusion.
 
Mamoon said:
Trashing an Indian team led by Jasprit Bumrah is not exactly the greatest advertisement of Bazball’s success.

Bazball proved to be a failure in the Ashes and in India and it was a much needed reality check for England because they were getting carried away.
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How many times was the ball changed during that test?
 
Nikhil_cric said:
It provides no data for any series. Bazball has no impact when the opposition bowling attack is superior to England's.

Every team they have beaten until now had inferior attacks.

Even the Ashes were drawn only after Lyon got injured.

Australia in Australia will have the superior attack , barring a miracle . So that's a foregone conclusion.
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It worked against South Africa. They had an attack including Rabada, Norje, Maharaj, Ngidi, Jansen.

Not too shabby.
 
We can debate until the cows come home, but two things are very clear:

Stokes is not the tactical genius people thought he was.

Bazba is not the revolutionary brand of Test cricket and the way forward that people thought it was.

Now it is up to England to decide what direction they want to move forward in but this treatment by India was necessary for them to get back on earth and get out of their self-created bubble.
 
The title Bazball will not change. But in between they keep changing the definitions. I am yet to get hold of the latest version
 
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