[PICTURES] Will BazBall thrive in India?

[greatest]

Our pundits are useless. Including Boycott they have waxed lyrical about Bazball in the past when we’ve been winning and said they are captivated by it. Vaughan has been terrible for this as well, just goes with the wind, often radically changing his end of play view later on within same match.

After a loss, particularly a heavy one, the knives are out of course. But it’s the best style of play ever when we win, a revolutionary way of approaching red ball cricket, the opposition have soiled themselves, Brendon is a maverick and Stokes is a genius.

Even at the end of day 2 of this most recent match, with Duckett’s batting, everyone was loving it. Our pundits have exactly the same as our fans’ mentality.

Aside from Atherton & Husssin who are well known for their balance and class, English pundits are basically just England fans who have playing experience, are slightly more erudite, and have been given a regular newspaper column.

Bazball is really useless. When you win it's so exciting and when you lose its the worst way to ever play cricket.

 

[HitWicket]

Incorrect. The margin of error is on either side of the stumps.

Which doesn't really change anything given the margin of error goes both ways. Statistically we'll have the same number of out decisions trusting Hawkeye fully as we would if we had a system that was 100% accurate.

 

[sindhiboy]

Zac is underdelivering right now, of all the english batsmen he's the one the Indian bowlers look clueless against. The issue is Crawley isn't playing the long innings. He bats 60-70 overs, India is out of the Test match. I know he's had unlucky dismissals. He'll come big, it's coming.

Crawley is the only one who can handle bumrah. England are way too reliant on their top order though.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The England team don’t use the term themselves, it’s a media/cultural phenomenon. “Marnus” has had one hundred in his last 35 innings and loads of low scores, he should focus less on England and more on his own faltering form for Australia.

From time to time some English supporter (ex players) or the other give this opinion that all teams should be playing like them. This subject came up a lot during Ashes. It will come up again during the Ashes. Even i agree this is a good approach for England. May be a bit of tweaking is required. It may not be sustainable though. But for now it is okay as two batsmen at top are in form.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Crawley is the only one who can handle bumrah. England are way too reliant on their top order though.

The reason is Crawley starts his innings against new ball which doesn't do anything. Once the ball gets older it can become harder.

 

[WengerOut]

Unless it is a rank turner, best time to bat in India is when the bowl is new. You need proper test players when the bowl goes soft. They can handle easily..

 

[cricketcricket79]

Crawley is the only one who can handle bumrah. England are way too reliant on their top order though.

Yes Ceawley looks good and capable. But does it have it in him to look good and consistently over a series? That is why test cricket is ultimate test. So far the abiding memory of him from this series is his petulance after his dismissal in this test.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Yes Ceawley looks good and capable. But does it have it in him to look good and consistently over a series? That is why test cricket is ultimate test. So far the abiding memory of him from this series is his petulance after his dismissal in this test.

India has adjusted the length for Crawley now. They don't feed him anything in his half. Also they will consider protecting drivable lengths with field set. Crawley is just using his reach to his advantage. Moment you block those areas he will be forced to play across. He is no Alistair cook. You can curtail him with good field sets.

 

[rpant_gabba]

HE was tested by MIT. Kumble attended the tests. This was in 2016.

To improve accuracy of HE ultra motion cameras with 340fps were added(earlier it was 75-80fps cameras).

The point of impact that was earlier manually determined by the operator was automated to be determined by ultraedge.

The predictive capacity of HE was said to be 97 percent. Hence the need of umpires call.

We are going around in circles.

1) what was the test?

2) how exactly did they measure the accuracy of a prediction.
2a)unless you have data which shows what actually happened, the "accuracy of the prediction" is meaningless
2b) If the footage of what actually happened was available, was that shared with HE before the test.

3) where actual bowlers used or bowling machines new ball ? old balls? swinging and spinning conditions?

So many questions

you do realise they are trying to "solve" turbulunce

I'll leave it here.

 

[rpant_gabba]

In other words you dont have any concrete evidence to prove that HE is faulty ( which is where bluster/aggro comes in handy to mask that ). Yup thought so.

conrgatulations.

you created a strawman and knocked it down.

You don't undestand burden of proof

 

[uppercut]

conrgatulations.

you created a strawman and knocked it down.

You don't undestand burden of proof

I dont have to prove you anything as I don't have any skin in the game one way or the other nor do I have any conflicting interests. My entire point was that it is irrelevant unless there are howlers galore that necessitates close technical scrutiny of the system.

However come back here if you find some howlers where HE is to blame.

In the meantime Do these thought exercises if you are not convinced yet ....

1. Why would the ICC risk using a untested system in very high profile Cricket matches ( like world cup finals) and put itself in harms way if it resulted in howlers ? Just imagine the backlash !!

2. Why would HE which is a business entity risk going out of business as a result of a poor product that their entire earnings depend upon?

 

[Human786]

IND 11 at RACHI : Skipper , Jaiswal , Gilli , Rahul , Sarfaraz , Jadeja , Jurel , Ashwin [ if his mum not well Axar ] , Kuldeep , Siraj , Aakashdeep .
ENG will rest both Jimmy & Wood - I invite @James & all posters to say what their bowling will be !
Still want the 1st rank turner of series at Raachi - time to go for kill as Stokes still believes no difference between bravery & stupidity !

 

[rpant_gabba]

I dont have to prove you anything as I don't have any skin in the game one way or the other nor do I have any conflicting interests. My entire point was that it is irrelevant unless there are howlers galore that necessitates close technical scrutiny of the system.

However come back here if you find some howlers where HE is to blame.

In the meantime Do these thought exercises if you are not convinced yet ....

1. Why would the ICC risk using a untested system in very high profile Cricket matches ( like world cup finals) and put itself in harms way if it resulted in howlers ? Just imagine the backlash !!

2. Why would HE which is a business entity risk going out of business as a result of a poor product that their entire earnings depend upon?

why would george bush invade iraq in false pretense of WMD

Why would homeopathy exist as a field of medicine

how do psychic stay in business.

because they can get away with it

As I said, all you have is strawmen and appealing to authority.

 

[James]

IND 11 at RACHI : Skipper , Jaiswal , Gilli , Rahul , Sarfaraz , Jadeja , Jurel , Ashwin [ if his mum not well Axar ] , Kuldeep , Siraj , Aakashdeep .
ENG will rest both Jimmy & Wood - I invite @James & all posters to say what their bowling will be !
Still want the 1st rank turner of series at Raachi - time to go for kill as Stokes still believes no difference between bravery & stupidity !

My team would be Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Lawrence, Stokes (c), Foakes (wkt), Ahmed, Hartley, Robinson, Atkinson.

 

[uppercut]

becos they can get away with it

So what has HE "gotten away" with so far ? Give me some of the worst examples.

 

[jnaveen1980]

My team would be Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Lawrence, Stokes (c), Foakes (wkt), Ahmed, Hartley, Robinson, Atkinson.

I think they should have tried Robinson. I know he is a trundler. But he has that nagging length that can lead to indecision. Anderson definitely needs rest.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Our pundits are useless. Including Boycott they have waxed lyrical about Bazball in the past when we’ve been winning and said they are captivated by it. Vaughan has been terrible for this as well, just goes with the wind, often radically changing his end of play view later on within same match.

After a loss, particularly a heavy one, the knives are out of course. But it’s the best style of play ever when we win, a revolutionary way of approaching red ball cricket, the opposition have soiled themselves, Brendon is a maverick and Stokes is a genius.

Even at the end of day 2 of this most recent match, with Duckett’s batting, everyone was loving it. Our pundits have exactly the same as our fans’ mentality.

Aside from Atherton & Husssin who are well known for their balance and class, English pundits are basically just England fans who have playing experience, are slightly more erudite, and have been given a regular newspaper column.

Why this wrist slitting? The series isn't dead yet.

 

[cricketjoshila]

All this criticism of Bazball is unnecessary.

The Indian bowling attack has

Bumrah avg 20.xx
Ashwin avg 23.xx
Jadeja avg 24.xx
Siraj avg 28.xx
Kuldeep avg 22.xx

Its a world class bowling attack. They are not going to stand and giggle when Bazball hits them.

They will come back with their own counter strategy.

I am sure McCullum and Stokes are right now devising their own Counter.

Let this series get over.

 

[cricketjoshila]

they a provided fancy graphics at an exorbitant price with little to no information of its efficacy while convincing the gullible that it has predictive accuracy is of thw order of few mm's w/o any demonstrable evidence.

Snake oil if you ask me.

Who told you there is no information?

In 2016 information was provided both to ICC and the BCCI.

Based on this information BCCI approved the use of DRS in Indian home series.

Then Indian coach Anil kumble, captain Kohli and BCCI President Anurag Thakur were present when the presentation was made.

BCCI nod for DRS in England series

CHANDIGARH: Two days after the International Cricket Council made a presentation regarding improvements in the decision review system, the BCCI on Friday agreed

www.newindianexpress.com

 

[rpant_gabba]

Who told you there is no information?

In 2016 information was provided both to ICC and the BCCI.

Based on this information BCCI approved the use of DRS in Indian home series.

Then Indian coach Anil kumble, captain Kohli and BCCI President Anurag Thakur were present when the presentation was made.

BCCI nod for DRS in England series

CHANDIGARH: Two days after the International Cricket Council made a presentation regarding improvements in the decision review system, the BCCI on Friday agreed

www.newindianexpress.com

we are going in circles.

you are speaking in generalities and I'm looking for specifics.

not talking about DRS. I'm specifically referring to the predictive aspect of HE.

the technology is used in very public way and is used to convince fans and umpires about what eh bal might have done.

The proof of its ability to do that should be just as pubic.

10+ years to date, there is little to no convincing evidence to the public who is also a consumer, that it lives up to its billing.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Who told you there is no information?

In 2016 information was provided both to ICC and the BCCI.

Based on this information BCCI approved the use of DRS in Indian home series.

Then Indian coach Anil kumble, captain Kohli and BCCI President Anurag Thakur were present when the presentation was made.

BCCI nod for DRS in England series

CHANDIGARH: Two days after the International Cricket Council made a presentation regarding improvements in the decision review system, the BCCI on Friday agreed

www.newindianexpress.com

They kinda know this is not the bazball that lost the match. They mock bazball because of statements like "We can chase 600..". I remember distinctly what Stokes said after the Edgbaston successful chase against india. "Deep down wish they set a target of 450.." Touch of arrogance was ther in the statement. With such statements when someone finds their team at 50/7 it is going to invite both criticism and ridicule. If Clive lloyd from the 1980s is cocky that is understandable. There was one test in 1983 first test at Ahmedabad motera stadium (now Modi stadium) where pitch was a bit dodgy with lot of dirt. Lloyd challenged that they would defeat India which was ready to chase 200 odd runs. With incessant short ball tactics they were reduced to 63/9 in no time. I don't think England has that kind of resources to pull things off anywhere and everywhere.

 

[MP2011]

I think they should have tried Robinson. I know he is a trundler. But he has that nagging length that can lead to indecision. Anderson definitely needs rest.

And Robinson with his constant chirping, can get into batsmen's heads especially very young like we have in this series.

 

[MP2011]

They kinda know this is not the bazball that lost the match. They mock bazball because of statements like "We can chase 600..". I remember distinctly what Stokes said after the Edgbaston successful chase against india. "Deep down wish they set a target of 450.." Touch of arrogance was ther in the statement. With such statements when someone finds their team at 50/7 it is going to invite both criticism and ridicule. If Clive lloyd from the 1980s is cocky that is understandable. There was one test in 1983 first test at Ahmedabad motera stadium (now Modi stadium) where pitch was a bit dodgy with lot of dirt. Lloyd challenged that they would defeat India which was ready to chase 200 odd runs. With incessant short ball tactics they were reduced to 63/9 in no time. I don't think England has that kind of resources to pull things off anywhere and everywhere.

I particularly cringed at Pope's statement, the more the better.

 

[BouncerGuy]

guys.please do not derail the thread anymore. This is not a thread to discuss umpires and DRS here. Please

 

[James]

All this criticism of Bazball is unnecessary.

The Indian bowling attack has

Bumrah avg 20.xx
Ashwin avg 23.xx
Jadeja avg 24.xx
Siraj avg 28.xx
Kuldeep avg 22.xx

Its a world class bowling attack. They are not going to stand and giggle when Bazball hits them.

They will come back with their own counter strategy.

I am sure McCullum and Stokes are right now devising their own Counter.

Let this series get over.

Yes - I understand the criticism of Bazball and get why it’s not everyone’s cup of tea, but regarding this series in particular I’m not sure what people’s expectations were.

McCullum has been coaching England for less than 2 years who lest we forget were a team in the absolute doldrums, on one of their worst runs ever. Him and Stokes have helped the team to markedly improve with mostly the same players.

Surely it takes longer than 18 months to build a team that is capable of beating India in a Test series in India? It’s happened twice in 20 years, and the last two sides to do it were absolutely world class and had been successful, experienced teams who had been together for many years before they toured, and even these series were just 2-1 wins.

It’s the hardest place for an away side to win a Test series in the world.

 

[James]

I think they should have tried Robinson. I know he is a trundler. But he has that nagging length that can lead to indecision. Anderson definitely needs rest.

Robinson gets some reverse swing too. Did well in Pakistan. I don’t like him as a person particularly, but his legs will be fresh and if he’s bowling well in the nets he will have earned another cap here.

 

[Buffet]

Too much citicism for strategy which helped Eng to do better. It requires a bit of change from time to time based on the match situation, but I think Eng is getting more out of their team collectively now.

Bumrah was the difference between the two teams in 2nd test. Eng should try to capitalize on that and make it 2-2. That would be awesome for 5th test.

 

[jnaveen1980]

The cricket ball used here makes a lot of difference. Although SG is similar to Dukes it is not. Dukes swings more.
Both Bumrah and Umesh have told India should be using Dukes. I am not sure they would want the current DUkes which goes out of shape every 15 to 20 overs. Even though SG helps spinners, Ashwin prefers Kookaburra ball.

 

[James]

Too much citicism for strategy which helped Eng to do better. It requires a bit of change from time to time based on the match situation, but I think Eng is getting more out of their team collectively now.

Bumrah was the difference between the two teams in 2nd test. Eng should try to capitalize on that and make it 2-2. That would be awesome for 5th test.

5th Test as a decider would be fantastic. Either that or England can at least get a tied series.

A dead rubber final game never has the same edge, and it sounds really poor here — either England would have one foot on the plane and slip to a lazy 4-1 defeat, or India would rest players for the IPL, not turn up and make it too easy for England to get a 3-2.

So let’s have it 2-2 or at worst 2-1 to India after the 4th Test.

 

[giri26]

5th Test as a decider would be fantastic. Either that or England can at least get a tied series.

A dead rubber final game never has the same edge, and it sounds really poor here — either England would have one foot on the plane and slip to a lazy 4-1 defeat, or India would rest players for the IPL, not turn up and make it too easy for England to get a 3-2.

So let’s have it 2-2 or at worst 2-1 to India after the 4th Test.

The one thing we can be sure due to the approach by the England team is that there is not going to be a draw. The only way that is going to happen is if it rains.

 

[cricketjoshila]

5th Test as a decider would be fantastic. Either that or England can at least get a tied series.

A dead rubber final game never has the same edge, and it sounds really poor here — either England would have one foot on the plane and slip to a lazy 4-1 defeat, or India would rest players for the IPL, not turn up and make it too easy for England to get a 3-2.

So let’s have it 2-2 or at worst 2-1 to India after the 4th Test.

5th test is advantage England.

Stadium at the foot of the Himalayas. Cool temperature. Expect a fastish pitch with bounce.

 

[giri26]

5th test is advantage England.

Stadium at the foot of the Himalayas. Cool temperature. Expect a fastish pitch with bounce.

I expect India to go 3-1 and go to Dharamshala with a series. The last test is 50-50 with Bumrah likely to come back, so India would leave no stone unturned to seal the series at Ranchi.

 

[Rightarmfast]

5th test is advantage England.

Stadium at the foot of the Himalayas. Cool temperature. Expect a fastish pitch with bounce.

It normally is a seaming and fast pitch at Dharamshala. I hope they maintain it. As a matter of fact, I feel such a pitch is going to help India more than England.

 

[BouncerGuy]

This series, we have seen bazball approach from both sides, and we also saw the classic test match approach that failed in the end for England ni the 3rd game. Either England has forgotten the vintage test match approach to save the game when needed or they were poor on that particular dar. WHatever happens, England should learn from it, India is not an easy team to counter at home.

 

[Mamoon]

Laughable that some are still laboring under the delusion that England can keep the series alive.

Bazball is a nonsense way of playing Test cricket and India has exposed it big time. Stokes is an average captain and nowhere near Rohit.

Unless it rains, there is only possible outcome of this series: 4-1 to India and Stokes and McCullum should be sacked.

4-1 hammering in India, a 2-2 draw at home in the Ashes and a drawn series in New Zealand after carrying a self-serving attitude and doing Bazball this and that all this while.

England have a lot of soft Test matches coming up after this series. They will be hosting West Indies, Sri Lanka and tour Pakistan before returning to New Zealand in Nov/Dec.

Bazball has thrived on selling its scam by overwhelming poor teams but they have been shown up by the stronger teams even though the stronger teams have not been at their strongest.

Last thing England needs is to Bazball all these weak opponents and Stokes gets looked at as some tactical maestro before getting exposed against the proper teams.

Now is the perfect time to disband Bazball which is not a sustainable way of playing Test cricket, to shut their mouths and not make the type of embarrassing statements that we have seen from the likes of Duckett and appoint a new captain and a new coach that want to play Test cricket the proper way.

Bazball has been a cringe fest and a new leadership needs to take over now to having a fairly easy bedding period because of the type of opponents that England will be facing in the next 6 months, but in reality, they would stick with Bazball and use these soft Test matches to serve the ego and once again sell the scam to the world that Bazball is the way forward for Test cricket and the right way to play this format.

 

[James]

@Mamoon I don’t think there will be sackings, but who would you go for as the next England captain and replacement coach? I think Pope as the next captain makes sense, but I am less knowledgeable about coaches and the styles that they’d bring.

 

[James]

and we also saw the classic test match approach that failed in the end for England ni the 3rd game.

That last innings for England I wouldn’t read into too much. It was a classic 4th innings meltdown after being cooked in the field and demoralised, which has happened in Test cricket 1000 times. They lost the game in the first innings really.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Speaking in a video on his YouTube channel,AB de Villiers said:

"I like what Bazball represents, which is aggressive cricket, but I have said this that I want players to confront different situations and that's what Test cricket is all about. To predetermine a way you're going to play in Test cricket is very dangerous."

 

[jnaveen1980]

Speaking in a video on his YouTube channel,AB de Villiers said:

"I like what Bazball represents, which is aggressive cricket, but I have said this that I want players to confront different situations and that's what Test cricket is all about. To predetermine a way you're going to play in Test cricket is very dangerous."

Nobody better example than AB> i remember him scoring 35 in 174 balls or something in one of the test.

 

[BouncerGuy]

That last innings for England I wouldn’t read into too much. It was a classic 4th innings meltdown after being cooked in the field and demoralised, which has happened in Test cricket 1000 times. They lost the game in the first innings really.

Yeah, bro. England would have done much better had they played with the same fearless Bazball approach. They just forgot how to save a test match by playing AB de Villiers type innings, just don't have the temperament to play innings like that.

 

[sindhiboy]

Batting first gives the best chance of winning for england, if they bowl first it is very difficult for them to come back considering the massive difference in the quality of english and indian bowlers

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Speaking in a video on his YouTube channel,AB de Villiers said:

"I like what Bazball represents, which is aggressive cricket, but I have said this that I want players to confront different situations and that's what Test cricket is all about. To predetermine a way you're going to play in Test cricket is very dangerous."

ABDV is right. But there are only a few players that can adapt and thrive in this way and England have realised they don't have many of them.

Asking Zac Crawley and Johnny Bairstow to bat in a conventional test manner just wasn't working, it was reaping similar results as asking Azhar Ali to bat like ABDV would.

For these types of players the clarity of a predetermined bazball approach makes sense.

However there does need to be some balance, particularly for the sake of the poor bowlers who barely have a break.

But I suspect its going to be all systems go, no changes in style, no changes to the captaincy and certainly no changes to the coaching until the next Ashes in 2025.

Every test series for England is just a warm up for the Ashes - something that used to annoy me when I was younger but its an undisputed fact.

And there is too much on the line tactically and even commercially for them to drop Bazball before then.

The world wants to see Bazball in Australia. I hope England give us what we want.

 

[FearlessRoar]

Former England captain-turned-commentator Nasser Hussain mentioned that England cannot just rely on their Bazball approach and schooled them that Test cricket is all about adapting and playing smartly. In his column for the local news media outlet:

"You can't just fall back on the old 'this is the way we play' mantra, because Test cricket is all about adapting to conditions - especially in India, where the nature of the pitch can change almost overnight during the course of a five-day Test. If you get in, you need to make it count. Look at the first three Tests: England won the first after Ollie Pope's magnificent 196, before India hit back with successive double-centuries from Yashasvi Jaiswal and 131 from Rohit Sharma."

"They've done it before. Think back to the Ashes, where they became better at playing the short ball after that hook-happy collapse at Lord's. Bazball, as they keep telling us, is about smart cricket, not headless cricket. They need to prove that point again now."

"For Bairstow, the key - as it is for so many visiting batters in India - is to get through those first 20-30 balls when it's turning and Ravindra Jadeja is spearing them into your pads, making it tough to sweep. If he can do that, he can be destructive, but he has to give himself a chance. Perhaps the fact that he has a point to prove will bring out the best in him."

 

[Mamoon]

@Mamoon I don’t think there will be sackings, but who would you go for as the next England captain and replacement coach? I think Pope as the next captain makes sense, but I am less knowledgeable about coaches and the styles that they’d bring.

Pope is a good shout, but the more important objective for England is to go back to playing orthodox Test cricket which is a tried and tested formula for success.

A method that is sustainable, that doesn’t need to by justified every game and that doesn’t need to be backed by outlandish, over the top statements.

The irony is that in spite of the claims that Bazball is giving English players freedom to express themselves, the reality is that Bazball is actually putting more pressure on the England players because they have a point to prove - and a statement to make - every time they step onto field.

England have forced themselves into a situation where they have to prove, in every single Test match, that their method is better than the opposition’s method and that is not sustainable.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

ABDV is right. But there are only a few players that can adapt and thrive in this way and England have realised they don't have many of them.

Asking Zac Crawley and Johnny Bairstow to bat in a conventional test manner just wasn't working, it was reaping similar results as asking Azhar Ali to bat like ABDV would.

For these types of players the clarity of a predetermined bazball approach makes sense.

However there does need to be some balance, particularly for the sake of the poor bowlers who barely have a break.

But I suspect its going to be all systems go, no changes in style, no changes to the captaincy and certainly no changes to the coaching until the next Ashes in 2025.

Every test series for England is just a warm up for the Ashes - something that used to annoy me when I was younger but its an undisputed fact.

And there is too much on the line tactically and even commercially for them to drop Bazball before then.

The world wants to see Bazball in Australia. I hope England give us what we want.

Historically England captains are given plenty of latitude between Ashes series and Stokes will undoubtedly be given the chance (should his body hold out) to lead in Australia in 2025.
The English cricket cycle revolves around the Ashes series and that cycle is more important to most followers than the white ball World Cup cycle.
Whether Stokes is still performing by that stage will be interesting to see — hard to imagine he will as an all rounder but, given the series coming after this tour, there should be easy pickings as a batsman.

So, even if England lose this series 4-1 Stokes will remain captain.
Lose against Aus and he is out.

 

[Human786]

My team would be Crawley, Duckett, Pope, Root, Lawrence, Stokes (c), Foakes (wkt), Ahmed, Hartley, Robinson, Atkinson.

11 declared has Bashir for Rehan & Robinson for Wood, reports hint skipper might bowl a few too . Huge stink raised vaguely by Stokes & Pope about the pitch . Have a look & tell me what you make of it buddy . c @BouncerGuy

 

[IndoorCricket]

Bhumrah out? Advantage England.

 

[Human786]

Bhumrah out? Advantage England.

3 day old news biradar

 

[IndoorCricket]

3 day old news biradar

Catching up to the news day.

 

[Mamoon]

Bhumrah out? Advantage England.

India are 2-1 with a heavily depleted squad. They will win the series 4-1 with an even more depleted squad which will add to England’s humiliation and further exposes Bazball and Stokes overhyped leadership. @Forum363

 

[James]

11 declared has Bashir for Rehan & Robinson for Wood, reports hint skipper might bowl a few too . Huge stink raised vaguely by Stokes & Pope about the pitch . Have a look & tell me what you make of it buddy . c @BouncerGuyView attachment 142285

It looks to me like quite a bowling friendly pitch that will also deteriorate, so once again the toss will be of huge importance. Whoever wins the toss will want to bat first and get 300+ which will keep them in the game throughout you would think.

 

[Forum363]

It looks to me like quite a bowling friendly pitch that will also deteriorate, so once again the toss will be of huge importance. Whoever wins the toss will want to bat first and get 300+ which will keep them in the game throughout you would think.

Toss will be huge, it’s made a big difference this series.

 

[IndoorCricket]

India are 2-1 with a heavily depleted squad. They will win the series 4-1 with an even more depleted squad which will add to England’s humiliation and further exposes Bazball and Stokes overhyped leadership. @Forum363

Lets hope so. Not having Bhumrah is a big phycological advantage to England.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It looks to me like quite a bowling friendly pitch that will also deteriorate, so once again the toss will be of huge importance. Whoever wins the toss will want to bat first and get 300+ which will keep them in the game throughout you would think.

In India you should not depend on Toss. Only way you can do is by scoring heavily in the first innings. That is how you eliminate the importance of toss. If you recklessly gift your wickets in the first dig then you will be under pressure to limit the opposition to manageable total.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Well, it is thriving at the moment. Crawley just smashed Siraj for 3 fours and a six back-to-back. Definitely bazball approach. Loved those beauty of shots from him.

 

[pillionrider]

Looks like Root has abandoned bazball and looks so much better already. Think he’s gonna score big today

 

[BouncerGuy]

Looks like Root has abandoned bazball and looks so much better already. Think he’s gonna score big today

He should have done that way earlier than that. He was going nowhere with it.

 

[MP2011]

Toss will be huge, it’s made a big difference this series.

It hasn't. England won the toss in the first test and still conceded 192 runs to India and won the first test by only 28 runs.

If winning toss was as much of an advantage is as made out to be, England should not have made such heavy weather to win the first test despite having their best XI in the game and India missing their several first choice players.

 

[Devadwal]

Now root get back to basics test cricket and it's working for him . bazball ( reckless) cricket is only played by certain player's who don't have any technique to play test cricket and it can worked for them . Root should not Play that reckless cricket anymore .

 

[MANU ROY]

bazball turn into boringball

 

[160KPH]

It’s quite amazing how Stokes and McCullum destroyed Joe Root’s batting - even though he averaged more under Bazball than he did during the rest of his career - but Stokes and McCullum also managed to fix Joe Root’s batting so quickly!

 

[Forum363]

W

It hasn't. England won the toss in the first test and still conceded 192 runs to India and won the first test by only 28 runs.

If winning toss was as much of an advantage is as made out to be, England should not have made such heavy weather to win the first test despite having their best XI in the game and India missing their several first choice players.

they won didn’t they?

 

[MP2011]

W

they won didn’t they?

That wasn't due to winning toss though.

 

[James]

That wasn't due to winning toss though.

Batting last in Test cricket is always very difficult.

 

[Forum363]

That wasn't due to winning toss though.

You're making it sounds like Test cricket is only one innings. Batting in the final innings is obviously harder than any other part of the game.

 

[Forum363]

Stokes haters are scrambling to come up with a theory around how Stokes can simultaneously have pressured Root to play terribly but Root still have scored a century.

Either Stokes stopped telling him to play crazy shots or Root grew a pair after 138 tests and stood up for himself.

 

[sindhiboy]

It’s quite amazing how Stokes and McCullum destroyed Joe Root’s batting - even though he averaged more under Bazball than he did during the rest of his career - but Stokes and McCullum also managed to fix Joe Root’s batting so quickly!

excluding new zealand root was averaging 35 in 16 tests in the bazball era. he wasn't as dominant, he just had alot of success vs nz.
looks a much better batsman now when he isnt bazballing. maybe he will bazball towards the end before eng are all out.
doing it after getting set is much more appropriate

 

[James]

excluding new zealand

Why would you exclude it?

 

[pillionrider]

Stokes haters are scrambling to come up with a theory around how Stokes can simultaneously have pressured Root to play terribly but Root still have scored a century.

Either Stokes stopped telling him to play crazy shots or Root grew a pair after 138 tests and stood up for himself.

I made this post when he was on 3 or 4, because he just looked composed and like his pre-Bazball self. There was something very calm about him today from the first ball.

Looks like Root has abandoned bazball and looks so much better already. Think he’s gonna score big today

 

[Buffet]

Root is too good a batsman to play Bazball. He played his normal knocks and scored runs here.

 

[IndoorCricket]

Told you folks. Without Bhumrah, Root is unchained now.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

Told you folks. Without Bhumrah, Root is unchained now.

I agree, it is not purely coincidental that in Bumrah’s absence, Root has played in a more orthodox fashion and prospered.
One wonders whether part of the explanation for his frenetic and reckless batting in the previous Tests has been that he always felt Bumrh had the mark on him.
That said, he played well today.

 

[James]

I made this post when he was on 3 or 4, because he just looked composed and like his pre-Bazball self. There was something very calm about him today from the first ball.

I agree. Lol — I didn’t want to jinx it so kept my mouth shut at the time! For me it was the period after lunch when Root was effortlessly milking the spinners and rotating the strike that I knew he was returning to form, back to his old self, and had a great chance of scoring a hundred before the end of the day. Looked extremely comfortable and like he was in control of the game.

 

[MenInG]

Excerpt from Bazball (book) in which Rob Key explains how McCullum outlined his philosophy when he was interviewed for the job.

Bit more to BazBall than the just aimless slogging

 

[jnaveen1980]

Apart from a couple of cameos old school batting wins the battle. Root and Foakes.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

England is totally playing on the back foot. I was expecting them that they will go with full-throttle but the pressure from India keeps pushing them to play defensive cricket.

 

[gibsyhesperis]

England is totally playing on the back foot. I was expecting them that they will go with full-throttle but the pressure from India keeps pushing them to play defensive cricket.

Not “defensive“ cricket…”sensible” cricket playing the conditions — the game lasts five days not 40 overs…

 

[shamaan]

I think England will win this.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Former Indian cricket team captain Sunil Gavaskar praised Joe Root for his effort but did not shy away from trolling England's Bazball approach.

"Yes, superb innings. It was a proper Test match innings. Old-fashioned Test match innings, you would say," Gavaskar said while doing commentary on Day 1 of the Ranchi Test.

"But I have got to say, I am a little disappointed. I am a disappointed man because I really wanted him to play a scoop shot to get to his hundred, that reverse scoop. Get to 99, play the reverse scoop, and then play the hundred, and then the crowd goes 'Rooooot'. Particularly the box on our right (England comm box)," Gavaskar added.

 

[kumjsr]

The moment England ditched bazball, they immediately got best outcome - highest first inning score on this tour and they fooled everyone by saying that team will score lower by playing traditional cricket.