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So Pakistan has underperformed in South Africa against a fairly weak South African team.

We know what went wrong.

1. The wrong balance to the team - no fourth quick.
2. Picking out-of-form (Imam, Fakhar) and past-it (Azhar) batsmen.
3. Expecting Yasir Shah to deliver on greenish tracks.
4. Retaining a skipper whose batting is in disarray.
5. Terrible scheduling - arriving three weeks too late to adapt to the bounce.
6. A squad with too few fast bowlers and middle-order batsmen.

But my word there have been some positives. Shan Masood, Babar Azam, Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Shah Afridi have been excellent. And Asad Shafiq has been roughly the same as FAF, Markram, Amla and Elgar.

Don't forget, today we salute India for winning a Test series in Australia, and rightly so. But three months ago they lost 4-1 in England. Twelve months ago they too were 2-0 down in South Africa.

So Pakistan need to work out how to acquit themselves better in Australia in December. Against a team which has been in disarray.

So what needs to happen?

1. Understand the conditions where Pakistan will play
The two Tests are at the fast, bouncy WACA and a Day/Night Pink Ball affair at the Adelaide Oval.

Both matches will require a 4 pace bowler attack.

Neither match lends itself to legspin.

But Adelaide also requires a finger spinner who can bat, like Mitchell Santner for New Zealand.

Pakistan needs to understand that it can only win these Tests by bowling Australia out inside 70 overs. There will be no role for a real spinner, just someone like Mohammad Nawaz at Adelaide and probably no spinner at all in Perth.

2. Understand the type of bowlers required
At Perth, its all about bounce from a full length. There's no role for a short quick like Hasan Ali, and Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Abbas will be very marginal.

You need either extreme pace or extreme bounce at the WACA. I'd be locking in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Ehsan Adil already.

For Perth I'd be thinking an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (batting at 10)
Shaheen Shah Afridi (11)
Mohammad Amir (8)
Ehsan Adil (9)
Faheem Ashraf (7)

Adelaide is different. Tall left-arm quicks (Jason Behrendorff) and sometimes even short ones (Trent Boult) tend to do well in Pink Ball matches in Australia. This is the Test where I'd be looking at an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (11)
Mohammad Amir (9)
Hasan Ali (10)
Faheem Ashraf (8)
Mohammad Nawaz (7)

3. Think about your batting combination
At Perth, if you get through 20 overs with the Kookaburra batting becomes easy and scoring is rapid.

But at Adelaide, scoring is slower due to the longer grass on the outfield to preserve the pink ball. 250 in any innings can be a winning total.

I think it's time to discard Azhar Ali - he's 34 and in terminal decline. But I think that to avoid simultaneous retirements Pakistan needs to keep Asad Shafiq on for another year.

So my batting line-up in Australia would be:

1. Shan Masood (c)
2. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) - you don't want him facing Nathan Lyon!
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Haris Sohail
5. Babar Azam
6. Umar Akmal - for quick runs against the old ball

This leaves a constant left hander - right hander combination to throw the Aussie bowlers off their line.

4. Arrive as early as you do in England
Fail to Prepare = Prepare to Fail!

The debacle in South Africa came in part because players like Fakhar Zaman and Imam-ul-Haq and Azhar Ali didn't play enough innings locally before the Tests to establish that they were unselectable.

That must not happen again.

Pakistan don't have to try to arrange three side games against local opposition.

Just go to Mickey Arthur's adopted home town of Perth, having done a deal with Christ Church Grammar School in Perth where he operates his own cricket academy.

Arrive four weeks before the First Test and take 18 internationals and 10 A International and Under-19 players.

And let them play against each other at Christ Church Grammar on the same bouncy surfaces that they will encounter at the WACA.
 
As if PCB really care? You wasted 30 minutes for the blind organization. We will whitewashed again by Australia whether Smith/Warner or some key players play or not. Inzi will retain same squad who are now in S Africa. IK still lives in 1992s. so no hope.
 
How mercilessly Fakhar Zaman has been degraded from a "must" to an "enforcer" to a "passenger". He was in your first choice XI too [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. Right at the top, opening for his team.

We all know, and also going by his lack of big scores in over a decade of test/FC cricket, that Umar Akmal doesn't have the temperament for test cricket and has technical deficiencies. What if he fails in a few games like Fakhar did? Will he be called out for not being test material? What happens then? Back to Fakhar?
 
Credit goes to OP! A very well articulated post, amid all this negativity it's good to see some sort of positivity looking towards the future.

I don't think Asad Shafiq would do well on Australian pitches, picking another player who can adapt to them conditions maybe from the A team would be a better solution.
 
BreadPakoda said:
How mercilessly Fakhar Zaman has been degraded from a "must" to an "enforcer" to a "passenger". He was in your first choice XI too [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]. Right at the top, opening for his team.

We all know, and also going by his lack of big scores in over a decade of test/FC cricket, that Umar Akmal doesn't have the temperament for test cricket and has technical deficiencies. What if he fails in a few games like Fakhar did? Will he be called out for not being test material? What happens then? Back to Fakhar?
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Yeah, mea culpa!

The difference is that Fakhar Zaman has no history of ever surviving, let alone attacking, top quality pace bowling in the long format with a slip cordon and unlimited short balls permitted.

Umar Akmal has a history of destroying Shane Bond and Mitchell Johnson. And he just scored a century and a fifty to win the Quaid-e-Azam Final, which is the most important First Class match he's played for 7 years. And he was the Man of the Match in it.

If you discard your most talented batsman and tell him that he has to perform at domestic First Class level to return, well he can't do much more than be Man of the Match to win the domestic First Class Final.
 
Useless to plan right now, theres a lot of sacking and changes going to happen post WC provided we fail.
 
A key thing to take note of was what indian bowling coach bharat arun said.He said they planned to take the cut and the pull,the 2 most scoring shots for aus batsman out of the equation.Most foreign pacers make the mistake in bouncy pitches to bowl short and get punished aus batsmen who grow up playing against such stuff.Pakistan can try a similar tactic.
 
The way i see it to have good batting line up you need your best batsman to play 3 or 4.2nd best batsman plays at the other spot.And you need at least 1 dependable opener.

Lets say shan masood is dependable opener.
Then babar azam as best batsman must play at 3 or 4.Haris sohail/shafiq at the other spot.
 
I would disagree to many players mentioned by OP..

Asad Shafiq has many flaws and is the reason he fails with far higher frequency for to a guy who has been given flat and slow wickets for UAE to boost his averages. Even in last innings the way he gets out is an example, he will and has thrown his wickets on good balls, also on harmless, he does not have to survive good spells. He is first one to throw wicket when bowler is getting length right. His defense and mental side of game is very weak. I would not want to invest in him any more.

Harris sohail has too many fitness and knee issues to be considered for national team. There is little upside, every time we need him, he is not there. I don’t want to invest in him anymore either.

With Amir I have similar issues, he has chronic knee issues, which cannot be fixed by fitness alone. He does not have in him to bowl long spells and maintain speed. His first spell is usually very good and then he tappers off, clearly he is not fit enough to bowl in test on regular basis. You can see Rabada and Bhumra are at different level, not necessarily skill wise but fitness and maintaining speed, which is key to their success. What let’s doen Amir the most is his fitness and we know it’s not fixable, so I want to move on.

Other thing if Pakistan wants to improve it must focus on domestic FC, T20 to test is not working, it will never work. We need to fix wickets and also pick high performing batsmen from domestic. If Shaun can improve this much by just playing domestic, maybe Abid Ali should have been picked.

On fast bowling front, if domestic wickets are not made to encourage fast bowling, we are doomed. If people can have avg of below 20 by bowling at 125 like Abbas than we are nothing but trundlers factory, that is recipe for failure and embarrassment like what we saw. It’s high time to switch wickets to pre 2000 model, where bowlers had to work hard to get wickets, bowl fast and learn reverse. Right now FC matches are done in 2.5 days with bowler trundling at 125, that must stop.

Last but not least, get out of UAE for the sake of Pakistani cricketing culture, UAE is ruining us more than anything else. It’s good to boost averages of below average players but disastrous for national sport. It’s like Zardari for PPP, PPP was not damaged by Army as much in 2 decades as Zardari in 5 years. PPP is finished by Zardari. UAE is Zardari of Pakistan Cricket, we must get rid of it, we are already like what PPP is, irrelevant and outdated. Pakistan is only mentioned in terms of past within cricketing circles 👹👹👹
 
OP is right, if Pakistan is to put up competitive performances overseas then they need to start planning for it. This is one reason why I made the thread about why we should always take the A-team along on tough tours like South Africa and Australia and have them play 3 or 4 day matches at the same time as the main series. Not only does this provide options in case of an injuries but also serves to separate the men from the boys. If this scheme was implemented here we might have been able to call up replacements for Haris Sohail and at the very least we could have identified a couple of batsmen who can play pace and bounce well to invest in for the future. I think, especially considering our weak domestic system, Pakistan has to invest heavily in the A-team to identify and groom our talent and look to bridge the gap between domestic and international cricket. Shan Masood is, so far at least, a success story of the A-team. Domestic performances can be taken lightly given the deficiencies of the system but surely performances for the A-team have to count for something.
 
Ah yes, the trademark Umar Akmal.

J/k. Junaids bhai’s prayers have finally been answered as chottu is finally scoring in FC cricket.

Knew something was up with his twitter activity going down.
 
Junaids said:
So Pakistan has underperformed in South Africa against a fairly weak South African team.

We know what went wrong.

1. The wrong balance to the team - no fourth quick.
2. Picking out-of-form (Imam, Fakhar) and past-it (Azhar) batsmen.
3. Expecting Yasir Shah to deliver on greenish tracks.
4. Retaining a skipper whose batting is in disarray.
5. Terrible scheduling - arriving three weeks too late to adapt to the bounce.
6. A squad with too few fast bowlers and middle-order batsmen.

But my word there have been some positives. Shan Masood, Babar Azam, Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Shah Afridi have been excellent. And Asad Shafiq has been roughly the same as FAF, Markram, Amla and Elgar.

Don't forget, today we salute India for winning a Test series in Australia, and rightly so. But three months ago they lost 4-1 in England. Twelve months ago they too were 2-0 down in South Africa.

So Pakistan need to work out how to acquit themselves better in Australia in December. Against a team which has been in disarray.

So what needs to happen?

1. Understand the conditions where Pakistan will play
The two Tests are at the fast, bouncy WACA and a Day/Night Pink Ball affair at the Adelaide Oval.

Both matches will require a 4 pace bowler attack.

Neither match lends itself to legspin.

But Adelaide also requires a finger spinner who can bat, like Mitchell Santner for New Zealand.

Pakistan needs to understand that it can only win these Tests by bowling Australia out inside 70 overs. There will be no role for a real spinner, just someone like Mohammad Nawaz at Adelaide and probably no spinner at all in Perth.

2. Understand the type of bowlers required
At Perth, its all about bounce from a full length. There's no role for a short quick like Hasan Ali, and Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Abbas will be very marginal.

You need either extreme pace or extreme bounce at the WACA. I'd be locking in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Ehsan Adil already.

For Perth I'd be thinking an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (batting at 10)
Shaheen Shah Afridi (11)
Mohammad Amir (8)
Ehsan Adil (9)
Faheem Ashraf (7)

Adelaide is different. Tall left-arm quicks (Jason Behrendorff) and sometimes even short ones (Trent Boult) tend to do well in Pink Ball matches in Australia. This is the Test where I'd be looking at an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (11)
Mohammad Amir (9)
Hasan Ali (10)
Faheem Ashraf (8)
Mohammad Nawaz (7)

3. Think about your batting combination
At Perth, if you get through 20 overs with the Kookaburra batting becomes easy and scoring is rapid.

But at Adelaide, scoring is slower due to the longer grass on the outfield to preserve the pink ball. 250 in any innings can be a winning total.

I think it's time to discard Azhar Ali - he's 34 and in terminal decline. But I think that to avoid simultaneous retirements Pakistan needs to keep Asad Shafiq on for another year.

So my batting line-up in Australia would be:

1. Shan Masood (c)
2. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) - you don't want him facing Nathan Lyon!
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Haris Sohail
5. Babar Azam
6. Umar Akmal - for quick runs against the old ball

This leaves a constant left hander - right hander combination to throw the Aussie bowlers off their line.

4. Arrive as early as you do in England
Fail to Prepare = Prepare to Fail!

The debacle in South Africa came in part because players like Fakhar Zaman and Imam-ul-Haq and Azhar Ali didn't play enough innings locally before the Tests to establish that they were unselectable.

That must not happen again.

Pakistan don't have to try to arrange three side games against local opposition.

Just go to Mickey Arthur's adopted home town of Perth, having done a deal with Christ Church Grammar School in Perth where he operates his own cricket academy.

Arrive four weeks before the First Test and take 18 internationals and 10 A International and Under-19 players.

And let them play against each other at Christ Church Grammar on the same bouncy surfaces that they will encounter at the WACA.
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Excellent thread.

But disagree with making Shan the captain. He's playing well and let him continue to do so and grow in confidence rather than burden him with captaincy. Perhaps as a first step make him VC.

Also it's time for the bowling dept. to have their say in the proceedings. Maybe one of the senior bowlers should be captain, Pakistan's most successful periods have been under bowling captains.
 
CA has played dirty with PAK - 2 Tests and then one at Perth, another one to be played under lights. And both will start after 9:30pm here at Toronto😩. Unless games start on latest Thursday, I won’t be be able to watch the game (clue, Weekend starts on Day 4 for a Wednesday start😜).

Coming to preparation, PCT will go throug massive change overs in next few months - captain, coach & some of the players will be sacked/dropped, therefore I would wait till October before writing much on this.
 
MMHS said:
CA has played dirty with PAK - 2 Tests and then one at Perth, another one to be played under lights. And both will start after 9:30pm here at Toronto��. Unless games start on latest Thursday, I won’t be be able to watch the game (clue, Weekend starts on Day 4 for a Wednesday start��).

Coming to preparation, PCT will go throug massive change overs in next few months - captain, coach & some of the players will be sacked/dropped, therefore I would wait till October before writing much on this.
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Do you think Mani will negotiate with CA and convert it to a 3 test series? He expressed similar thought in a recent interview and the Aussie fans love test cricket more than shorter formats.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Do you think Mani will negotiate with CA and convert it to a 3 test series? He expressed similar thought in a recent interview and the Aussie fans love test cricket more than shorter formats.
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I’ll be happy if they don’t negotiate it to a single Test series. PCB & in general PAK fans give a middle finger to Test cricket - here in PP we dedicate time for cricket, which gives a false impression about PAK fans. I doubt how many are aware that PAK is being robbed in SAF now.

I’ll wait to see how much he is willing to walk the talk - converting a 2 Tests series into 3 is absolutely no issues if they start planning almost a year earlier; AUS has 6 venues and a 3rd Test at Hobert is quite possible. In fact, this year also instead of those 3 jokes from 24-28 October, they could have easily played a Series deciding 3rd Test.
 
best of luck . U need a Pujara a Pant and a Kohli with an Agarwsl ( 4 good batters)
u need a group of 5 fit pacers
u need two good spinners
u need luck
u need to play on fast pitches - non uae
 
PCB should be grateful that we got given two tests after how shamefully poor Pakistans performances have been in Australia for last 20 years.
 
Australia could have no Warner, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood and we'd still fail and collapse as the players are too weak
 
Yes planing must start on how to keep Azhar, Imam, Shafiq in the team:ma
 
docteurmanish said:
best of luck . U need a Pujara a Pant and a Kohli with an Agarwsl ( 4 good batters)
u need a group of 5 fit pacers
u need two good spinners
u need luck
u need to play on fast pitches - non uae
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We did well their last time batting wise bowling didnt develop. I notice you forgot to add, that we might also need to have warner and smith not in the team.
 
Pakprideuk said:
Azhar was your best bet last time. Two tests don’t make him a bad player.
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But 4 years does make - particularly if he is 4 years in towards 40s, having a 16 years old son at the official age of 34 ............................
 
Not going to happen, we have been saying this everytime after 1989, 1995, 1999, 2005, 2010, 2016-17 with respect to Australia

Have been saying the same thing from 1994, 1998, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2013 and now 2018-19 as well with respect to South Africa

Not a single official in the PCB or a single player in the Pakistan team and think tank cares about putting in the work needed to win in those countries.
 
Savak said:
Not going to happen, we have been saying this everytime after 1989, 1995, 1999, 2005, 2010, 2016-17 with respect to Australia

Have been saying the same thing from 1994, 1998, 2002-03, 2006-07, 2013 and now 2018-19 as well with respect to South Africa

Not a single official in the PCB or a single player in the Pakistan team and think tank cares about putting in the work needed to win in those countries.
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This. The OP should come back to reality. This is Pakistan. Nothing ever gets organised here.
 
in its history PCB has never planned more than 3 weeks ahead...

we are 12 days away from the ODI series, and I am pretty sure management still doesn't have 15 people picked. Its a miracle Pakistan cricket has accomplished as much as it has
 
coy0607 said:
in its history PCB has never planned more than 3 weeks ahead...

we are 12 days away from the ODI series, and I am pretty sure management still doesn't have 15 people picked. Its a miracle Pakistan cricket has accomplished as much as it has
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It takes time to check the technique of a player:hafeez2... Need to do deep analysis on the players and then pick...:inzi2
 
Right now i dont think current team can beat SL in UAE, never mind the series after that away to Australia.
 
Good thread. But don't expect much from on our incompetent board. We'll probably go there and play like 1 warm up game. This series vs SA will be forgotten about soon and nothing will change.


Pakistan Zindabad.
 
Swashbuckler said:
Do you think Mani will negotiate with CA and convert it to a 3 test series? He expressed similar thought in a recent interview and the Aussie fans love test cricket more than shorter formats.
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No, it will be 2 Tests because New Zealand is the main event next summer.

Cricket Australia was shocked at how much better the attendance and the viewing figures was for New Zealand's Adelaide Day/Night Test than any of the others.

They have worked out that the Kiwis are a strong, competitive team currently, and that there is a huge Kiwi population on the East Coast in Brisbane/Gold Coast and Sydney and Melbourne.

So Pakistan are getting the non-East Coast Tests (Perth and Adelaide) as a warm-up for Australia, then the main event is the three Tests on the East Coast. And even the Brisbane Test will be a Day/Night affair.
 
Pakprideuk said:
Azhar was your best bet last time. Two tests don’t make him a bad player.
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Twelve Tests since Younis and Misbah retired, in which he averages 29.82, make Azhar Ali a geriatric 34 year old has-been.

If you read my thread, even in 2016 and early 2017 he was showing the signs of age-related decline - one big score per series outnumbered by several mediocre and poor scores.

But in 2018 it was obvious that he is the same as 95% of other 34 year old batsmen: a man with a fading eye and diminishing hand-eye coordination.

Johannesburg on Friday should be his final Test match.
 
Junaids said:
No, it will be 2 Tests because New Zealand is the main event next summer.

Cricket Australia was shocked at how much better the attendance and the viewing figures was for New Zealand's Adelaide Day/Night Test than any of the others.

They have worked out that the Kiwis are a strong, competitive team currently, and that there is a huge Kiwi population on the East Coast in Brisbane/Gold Coast and Sydney and Melbourne.

So Pakistan are getting the non-East Coast Tests (Perth and Adelaide) as a warm-up for Australia, then the main event is the three Tests on the East Coast. And even the Brisbane Test will be a Day/Night affair.
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Pak will have to get used to that going forward. They may not be a main event in Australia for at least another decade.
 
SportsWarrior said:
Pak will have to get used to that going forward. They may not be a main event in Australia for at least another decade.
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It’s not a this decade or next decade issue. The money in the game comes from certain tours. Pakistan might do ok on crowd turnout but won’t bring broadcast revenue. The logic here is supposed to be that India and Australia play each every year and somehow that will be continue to be compelling in infinity
 
Pete Rose said:
It’s not a this decade or next decade issue. The money in the game comes from certain tours. Pakistan might do ok on crowd turnout but won’t bring broadcast revenue. The logic here is supposed to be that India and Australia play each every year and somehow that will be continue to be compelling in infinity
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no they don't play each other every year. Aus is not visiting India for another four years and India will go back only as part of WTC. Pak may bring crowd but their performance has been so poor over the last two decades that they are looked down now. They can reverse the trend this year by beating them..
 
Shan
Abid
Saud
Asad
Babar
Rizwan
Shadab
Fahim
Amir
Shaheen
Arshad Iqbal
Ehsan Adil
Mohammad Ilyas
Saad Ali
Zafar Gohar
 
SportsWarrior said:
no they don't play each other every year. Aus is not visiting India for another four years and India will go back only as part of WTC. Pak may bring crowd but their performance has been so poor over the last two decades that they are looked down now. They can reverse the trend this year by beating them..
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Yes 2-10 for India and 0-6 for Pakistan in the last ten years in Australia. Bring out the champagne
 
I agree. We should plan right now to win one session in all the Tests combined together. Our batting will be as useless then as it is now. It's a completely lost cause.
 
get 5 fit pacers and warner and smith are toast too . 4 good batters in form are a must to win abroad along with 5 fit pacers - india did well cos they were supported by pujara with kohli ,agarwal , rahane and pant
sharma , rahul , vihari had one good knock each .

on current form , india missing shaw equalled australia missing smith ( Shaw is Sehwag attitude with Tendulkar technique)

dont think pak pace attack is fit or fast enuf - aussie pace attack was v good . Pujara blunted them .

Warner is not good against quality pacers . Yes Smith does make a difference but then if u cheat u pay . Amir paid dearly ( 5 years ) and Smith has gone with a one year vacation ( vagaries of life - curse of being non white)

I dont know how well u did last time . but just seeing pak play in uae all the time has made your test team not grow . placid wickets encourage trundlers .
 
Pete Rose said:
Yes 2-10 for India and 0-6 for Pakistan in the last ten years in Australia. Bring out the champagne
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Or, you could rephrase that as no series win for pak in last 10 years, but one for India. That calls for a champagne.
 
PakLFC said:
I agree. We should plan right now to win one session in all the Tests combined together. Our batting will be as useless then as it is now. It's a completely lost cause.
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It was our bowling that let us down last time
 
Pete Rose said:
Yes 2-10 for India and 0-6 for Pakistan in the last ten years in Australia. Bring out the champagne
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Ind played 3 series and Pak played 2. Instead play 4 test series. Pak at 3 and the coming one 2.Also not including draws is misleading. But hey, what are we doing here talking about logic!
 
Junaids said:
So Pakistan has underperformed in South Africa against a fairly weak South African team.

We know what went wrong.

1. The wrong balance to the team - no fourth quick.
2. Picking out-of-form (Imam, Fakhar) and past-it (Azhar) batsmen.
3. Expecting Yasir Shah to deliver on greenish tracks.
4. Retaining a skipper whose batting is in disarray.
5. Terrible scheduling - arriving three weeks too late to adapt to the bounce.
6. A squad with too few fast bowlers and middle-order batsmen.

But my word there have been some positives. Shan Masood, Babar Azam, Mohammad Amir and Shaheen Shah Afridi have been excellent. And Asad Shafiq has been roughly the same as FAF, Markram, Amla and Elgar.

Don't forget, today we salute India for winning a Test series in Australia, and rightly so. But three months ago they lost 4-1 in England. Twelve months ago they too were 2-0 down in South Africa.

So Pakistan need to work out how to acquit themselves better in Australia in December. Against a team which has been in disarray.

So what needs to happen?

1. Understand the conditions where Pakistan will play
The two Tests are at the fast, bouncy WACA and a Day/Night Pink Ball affair at the Adelaide Oval.

Both matches will require a 4 pace bowler attack.

Neither match lends itself to legspin.

But Adelaide also requires a finger spinner who can bat, like Mitchell Santner for New Zealand.

Pakistan needs to understand that it can only win these Tests by bowling Australia out inside 70 overs. There will be no role for a real spinner, just someone like Mohammad Nawaz at Adelaide and probably no spinner at all in Perth.

2. Understand the type of bowlers required
At Perth, its all about bounce from a full length. There's no role for a short quick like Hasan Ali, and Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Abbas will be very marginal.

You need either extreme pace or extreme bounce at the WACA. I'd be locking in Shaheen Shah Afridi and Ehsan Adil already.

For Perth I'd be thinking an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (batting at 10)
Shaheen Shah Afridi (11)
Mohammad Amir (8)
Ehsan Adil (9)
Faheem Ashraf (7)

Adelaide is different. Tall left-arm quicks (Jason Behrendorff) and sometimes even short ones (Trent Boult) tend to do well in Pink Ball matches in Australia. This is the Test where I'd be looking at an attack of:

Mohammad Abbas (11)
Mohammad Amir (9)
Hasan Ali (10)
Faheem Ashraf (8)
Mohammad Nawaz (7)

3. Think about your batting combination
At Perth, if you get through 20 overs with the Kookaburra batting becomes easy and scoring is rapid.

But at Adelaide, scoring is slower due to the longer grass on the outfield to preserve the pink ball. 250 in any innings can be a winning total.

I think it's time to discard Azhar Ali - he's 34 and in terminal decline. But I think that to avoid simultaneous retirements Pakistan needs to keep Asad Shafiq on for another year.

So my batting line-up in Australia would be:

1. Shan Masood (c)
2. Mohammad Rizwan (wk) - you don't want him facing Nathan Lyon!
3. Asad Shafiq
4. Haris Sohail
5. Babar Azam
6. Umar Akmal - for quick runs against the old ball

This leaves a constant left hander - right hander combination to throw the Aussie bowlers off their line.

4. Arrive as early as you do in England
Fail to Prepare = Prepare to Fail!

The debacle in South Africa came in part because players like Fakhar Zaman and Imam-ul-Haq and Azhar Ali didn't play enough innings locally before the Tests to establish that they were unselectable.

That must not happen again.

Pakistan don't have to try to arrange three side games against local opposition.

Just go to Mickey Arthur's adopted home town of Perth, having done a deal with Christ Church Grammar School in Perth where he operates his own cricket academy.

Arrive four weeks before the First Test and take 18 internationals and 10 A International and Under-19 players.

And let them play against each other at Christ Church Grammar on the same bouncy surfaces that they will encounter at the WACA.
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Sharjeel will be back by than. He can be useful in Aus with his strong back foot play just like Shafiq. Ehsan Adil is a mediocre bowler, Arshad Iqbal is your man if you are looking for a tall fast bowler. Something like this can be competitive in Aus

1. Sharjeel Khan (if he is the same Sharjeel after return)
2. Shan Masood
3. Harris/Saud
4. Babar Azam
5. Asad Shafiq
6. Mohammad Rizwan/Abid Ali(if he can keep wickets)
7. Faheem Ashraf
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Mohammad Abbas
10. Shaheen Afridi
11. Arshad Iqbal
 
On topic, why plan for that series now ? That is a year away. After the Wanderers test, the focus should solely be on 50 over white ball cricket for Pakistan as it should be for every team.
 
I doubt any Asian side can win there anymore. This was a huge wake-up call for Australia. Getting thrashed by a noob Asian side in their own backyard in a 4 test series. From cricket ball to ground, crowd everything is different in Australia compared to India. They were blessed with what they themselves call the best bowling attack Australia ever had. They will be ready for all the Asian side going forward.
 
Plan for December 2019? Hang on this is Pakistan cricket team you are talking about, these players don’t believe in planning, they turn up on the day, do their shifts and go home, the only time they might push extra is if their job is under threat , otherwise it’s all about doing your shifts, taking the pay and enjoying the sights and sounds of the wonderful countries you travel.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ours is a rubbish record no doubt but a series win has got to count for something?
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Absolutely. I absolutely concur with this. It is a major milestone and inspiration not just for India for the other Asian countries to emulate.
However, it’s like when we won the CT, vs getting demolished before and after that by India for most of this decade. So a lot of our folks got in to revisionist mode. Made bold predictions about present last trajectory. I was responding to some of the revisionist punditry from the India fans in this thread about why Pakistan will or will not struggle against Australia and why we might ‘deserve’ two match series.
I only make one point admittedly, in a trolling manner:
- the lopsided (but not unfair, because this is the financial reality) nature of the ftp means that countries like India has systemic advantages vs countries like Pakistan who simply wont get the same opportunities (let me state this here if not clear, that I don’t think it is India’s fault that Pakistan won’t get that many games)
 
WengerOut said:
Ind played 3 series and Pak played 2. Instead play 4 test series. Pak at 3 and the coming one 2.Also not including draws is misleading. But hey, what are we doing here talking about logic!
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I am not sure what this collection of words means
 
Arsalan Pro said:
He is basically saying India plays more matches so is bound to lose more than Pakistan. While India has drawn Test matches on recent tours, Pakistan hasn't.
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Sure, probability of all three results is higher with familiarity to opposition. However if you play them twic a decade winning or drawing is lower probability.
 
Pete Rose said:
Sure, probability of all three results is higher with familiarity to opposition. However if you play them twic a decade winning or drawing is lower probability.
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So, Pakistan did not win or draw since 1995 because they have not played enough?
 
WengerOut said:
So, Pakistan did not win or draw since 1995 because they have not played enough?
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No I would say we haven’t won because we are objectively bad, but having played 15 tests in that period vs say about 23 tests for India, it does make a difference. Like some of your fellow travelers in this thread say we have two ‘deserved’ tests in 2019 to get to to a similar win/loss ratio as India and then we can ‘deserve’ more tests
 
Pete Rose said:
Absolutely. I absolutely concur with this. It is a major milestone and inspiration not just for India for the other Asian countries to emulate.
However, it’s like when we won the CT, vs getting demolished before and after that by India for most of this decade. So a lot of our folks got in to revisionist mode. Made bold predictions about present last trajectory. I was responding to some of the revisionist punditry from the India fans in this thread about why Pakistan will or will not struggle against Australia and why we might ‘deserve’ two match series.
I only make one point admittedly, in a trolling manner:
- the lopsided (but not unfair, because this is the financial reality) nature of the ftp means that countries like India has systemic advantages vs countries like Pakistan who simply wont get the same opportunities (let me state this here if not clear, that I don’t think it is India’s fault that Pakistan won’t get that many games)
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Pakistan deserve atleast a 3 test bilatwral series in all of India, Australia, SA,NZ, ENG imo. Im personally not a fan of India, England and Australia playing each other every now and then as it becomes very boring and repetitive and is not good for a format whose popularity is declining anyway Not a good advertisement for test cricket at all if we limit the bulk of test cricket to competitions between 3 nations .
 
Shan comes back does decent in couple of years and now he should be made captain?

Umar akmal needs to come back? 99% of PP was happy when he got dropped now people want him back?

Fakhar was supposed to be next big thing some even said he should be made captain now he should not play?

Weird thread
 
The preparation has to begin now..
First identify five quicks.. . Right now only 1qualifies on merit and that is shaheen afridi... Rest are tundlersl... May be Pakistan should train prospects like Naseem shah, Musa etc. And play them exclusively to begin with in tests... Why not to call them to NCA and start grinding them from tomorrow so that they develop as products by September when Pakistan have new assignment of tests...
Batters like umar amin and Umar akmal be recalled for tests... And youngsters like saud Shakeel, saad, and Usman be given confidence... Basically 10 batters should be identified.
Jahid ali
Imam
Sami aslam
Shaan masood
Saud shakeel
Umar amin
Umar akmal
Babar
Haris
Asad shafiq
Saad
Usman salahuddin..
Two wicketkeepers
Rizwan
Rohail Nazir
Spinners
Yasir shah
Shahdab
 
V simple solution of that will be:

1. Stop Playing in UAE worst place to play test cricket, on these slow turf pitches and pace is slow which doesn’t expose your weaknesses as a batsmen, because you are not afraid of getting a nick as the bowl pace will die down before it reaches your bat. We need to realise that UAE should be used for Odi and T20 only. For test Pak should play at visitors venues, in order to get better and play competitive cricket.

2. 2nd Solution would be drop in PITCHES AND ADOPT SA CRICKET PITCHES. I love there pitches as they allow you to become a good test cricketer where even your 100 is considered a great inning.

3. Pakistan hire a good batting coach, someone like AB develliers or Kevin Peterson.
 
indianpanacea said:
The preparation has to begin now..
First identify five quicks.. . Right now only 1qualifies on merit and that is shaheen afridi... Rest are tundlersl... May be Pakistan should train prospects like Naseem shah, Musa etc. And play them exclusively to begin with in tests... Why not to call them to NCA and start grinding them from tomorrow so that they develop as products by September when Pakistan have new assignment of tests...
Batters like umar amin and Umar akmal be recalled for tests... And youngsters like saud Shakeel, saad, and Usman be given confidence... Basically 10 batters should be identified.
Jahid ali
Imam
Sami aslam
Shaan masood
Saud shakeel
Umar amin
Umar akmal
Babar
Haris
Asad shafiq
Saad
Usman salahuddin..
Two wicketkeepers
Rizwan
Rohail Nazir
Spinners
Yasir shah
Shahdab
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Lmao at some of the names..even Inzi can’t come up with a squad like this😂😂😂🤦🏽*♂️
 
I think I'm pretty clear on what our playing XI should be for the Australia series now. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

1. Shan Masood
2. Imam-Ul-Haq
3. Azhar Ali (Cause of how he destroyed Aus last time in Aus)
4. Babar Azam
5. Haris Sohail
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) (I'm putting him here since we don't know if he will be dropped as Captain or not yet)
7. Shadab Khan? (Ideally you want an all-rounder here, as we do not want our bowlers tiring out if they have to bowl for long as they did last time. I'd say Shadab but I don't know if his batting is good enough besides I don't think we have a good enough pure all-rounder to bat at #7 in tests. He has done good in tests with the bat so why not put him at 7. Also Faheem has done pretty well in tests for us so wouldn't mind giving him one last go in tests. Basically we need an all-rounder at 7.)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Yasir Shah / (another spinner like Ashgar or Gohar)
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Mohammad Abbas

12. Wahab Riaz (He can be good on dead flat wickets with his pace and reverse swing skills could be a good option in Australia.)

I think our batting is very solid here with guys like Babar, Imam, and Haris to step up and play some good cricket for us. Shaheen with his height will also be a good addition here in Australia. Looking forward to this series. We haven't been playing good test cricket in the past hopefully we drop Asad Shafiq from the team the serial match loser and just move on from him. Azhar deserves one last shot as he was so good in Aus last time. Babar will do much better in Australia as well as he's shown his temperament and ability to stick it out now is much greater. I think we will bat much better in Aus this time with that top 5 question is can our bowlers get wickets on the flat tracks in Australia. That is where that 5th bowling option is so crucial in Australia can not play 4 bowlers.
 
QalandarFan said:
I think I'm pretty clear on what our playing XI should be for the Australia series now. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION]

1. Shan Masood
2. Imam-Ul-Haq
3. Azhar Ali (Cause of how he destroyed Aus last time in Aus)
4. Babar Azam
5. Haris Sohail
6. Sarfraz Ahmed (C) (I'm putting him here since we don't know if he will be dropped as Captain or not yet)
7. Shadab Khan? (Ideally you want an all-rounder here, as we do not want our bowlers tiring out if they have to bowl for long as they did last time. I'd say Shadab but I don't know if his batting is good enough besides I don't think we have a good enough pure all-rounder to bat at #7 in tests. He has done good in tests with the bat so why not put him at 7. Also Faheem has done pretty well in tests for us so wouldn't mind giving him one last go in tests. Basically we need an all-rounder at 7.)
8. Mohammad Amir
9. Yasir Shah / (another spinner like Ashgar or Gohar)
10. Shaheen Shah Afridi
11. Mohammad Abbas

12. Wahab Riaz (He can be good on dead flat wickets with his pace and reverse swing skills could be a good option in Australia.)

I think our batting is very solid here with guys like Babar, Imam, and Haris to step up and play some good cricket for us. Shaheen with his height will also be a good addition here in Australia. Looking forward to this series. We haven't been playing good test cricket in the past hopefully we drop Asad Shafiq from the team the serial match loser and just move on from him. Azhar deserves one last shot as he was so good in Aus last time. Babar will do much better in Australia as well as he's shown his temperament and ability to stick it out now is much greater. I think we will bat much better in Aus this time with that top 5 question is can our bowlers get wickets on the flat tracks in Australia. That is where that 5th bowling option is so crucial in Australia can not play 4 bowlers.
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Can't play 2 spinners in Australia, especially one with no batting skills like Yasir Shah. We all remember how poorly he bowled last time around and is doing for some time now on overseas tours. Shadab gets the nod.

Mohammad Abbas at that pace would suffer big time on those pitches, he should only play the pink ball test at best.

Mohammad Hasnain can be a great addition to our team if he plays some first class matches before that tour and gets into the groove of bowling long spells. 150+ Kph on those wickets would be handful for any team.

I hope they drop Asad Shafiq, but that looks impossible in our setup, where players like Shoaib Malik get into the biggest cricketing tournament with zero performances.

Sharjeel Khan if returns, can be great once again against the Aussies on their own soil.

Azhar Ali opening is vital, he plays way too slow at 3 and is great against the new ball. Also, this will give us a Right-Left combo throughout the innings.

4 pacers are mandatory to reduce workload of them.

My Team & Squad would be:

1) Imam Ul Haq
2) Azhar Ali
3) Shan Masood
4) Babar Azam
5) Haris Sohail
6) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
7) Shadab Khan
8) Faheem Ashraf
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain

12) Sharjeel Khan
13) Abid Ali
14) Mohammad Rizwan
15) Mohammad Abbas
16) Hasan Ali
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Can't play 2 spinners in Australia, especially one with no batting skills like Yasir Shah. We all remember how poorly he bowled last time around and is doing for some time now on overseas tours. Shadab gets the nod.

Mohammad Abbas at that pace would suffer big time on those pitches, he should only play the pink ball test at best.

Mohammad Hasnain can be a great addition to our team if he plays some first class matches before that tour and gets into the groove of bowling long spells. 150+ Kph on those wickets would be handful for any team.

I hope they drop Asad Shafiq, but that looks impossible in our setup, where players like Shoaib Malik get into the biggest cricketing tournament with zero performances.

Sharjeel Khan if returns, can be great once again against the Aussies on their own soil.

Azhar Ali opening is vital, he plays way too slow at 3 and is great against the new ball. Also, this will give us a Right-Left combo throughout the innings.

4 pacers are mandatory to reduce workload of them.

My Team & Squad would be:

1) Imam Ul Haq
2) Azhar Ali
3) Shan Masood
4) Babar Azam
5) Haris Sohail
6) Sarfraz Ahmed(C)(Wk)
7) Shadab Khan
8) Faheem Ashraf
9) Mohammad Amir
10) Shaheen Afridi
11) Mohammad Hasnain

12) Sharjeel Khan
13) Abid Ali
14) Mohammad Rizwan
15) Mohammad Abbas
16) Hasan Ali
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I think Abbas can do just fine on these pitches he made dead UAE pitches talk against Australia. Play him in the first match and if he doesn't do good replace him with Wahab. I think we should select Wahab in place of Hasnain as he can get it to reverse as well plus he always does good in Australia. The most important thing is that we select 5 bowlers. Also our top 5 for this series is looking good. In the day night test I would select Faheem over Yasir as he can bat a bit in tests and can pick up a few wickets as well. Overall we should do better than we did last time. If they don't drop Asad Shafiq I'm gonna cry that dude is such a liability, well score a nice 50 when he's boutta get dropped to stay in the side. Absloutley Pathetic that after 9 years he still averages under 40, and to think this guy was suppose to be our replacement to Younis. Well at least things are looking good now with guys like Shan, Imam, Babar, and Haris.
 
QalandarFan said:
I think Abbas can do just fine on these pitches he made dead UAE pitches talk against Australia. Play him in the first match and if he doesn't do good replace him with Wahab. I think we should select Wahab in place of Hasnain as he can get it to reverse as well plus he always does good in Australia. The most important thing is that we select 5 bowlers. Also our top 5 for this series is looking good. In the day night test I would select Faheem over Yasir as he can bat a bit in tests and can pick up a few wickets as well. Overall we should do better than we did last time. If they don't drop Asad Shafiq I'm gonna cry that dude is such a liability, well score a nice 50 when he's boutta get dropped to stay in the side. Absloutley Pathetic that after 9 years he still averages under 40, and to think this guy was suppose to be our replacement to Younis. Well at least things are looking good now with guys like Shan, Imam, Babar, and Haris.
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Why would you select Yasir for any test in Australia? He bowls absolute rubbish on overseas tours. Anyway, there is no need of 2 spinners.

Shadab has far more utility, as he is a better batsman, bowler and a fielder for Tests in Australia.

4 pacers are mandatory on those wickets, with one of them being able to bat decently. I would prefer Mohammad Hasnain if he gets to play a first class season before that, Wahab Riaz isn't that fast nowadays especially for longer spells.
 
QalandarFan said:
I think Abbas can do just fine on these pitches he made dead UAE pitches talk against Australia. Play him in the first match and if he doesn't do good replace him with Wahab. I think we should select Wahab in place of Hasnain as he can get it to reverse as well plus he always does good in Australia. The most important thing is that we select 5 bowlers. Also our top 5 for this series is looking good. In the day night test I would select Faheem over Yasir as he can bat a bit in tests and can pick up a few wickets as well. Overall we should do better than we did last time. If they don't drop Asad Shafiq I'm gonna cry that dude is such a liability, well score a nice 50 when he's boutta get dropped to stay in the side. Absloutley Pathetic that after 9 years he still averages under 40, and to think this guy was suppose to be our replacement to Younis. Well at least things are looking good now with guys like Shan, Imam, Babar, and Haris.
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Also, Mohammad Abbas was completely ineffective after that against New Zealand in UAE and on lively wickets in South Africa. What makes you think he will do well now?

Still, we can try him in the pink ball Test.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Why would you select Yasir for any test in Australia? He bowls absolute rubbish on overseas tours. Anyway, there is no need of 2 spinners.

Shadab has far more utility, as he is a better batsman, bowler and a fielder for Tests in Australia.

4 pacers are mandatory on those wickets, with one of them being able to bat decently. I would prefer Mohammad Hasnain if he gets to play a first class season before that, Wahab Riaz isn't that fast nowadays especially for longer spells.
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Hasnain is not experienced enough dude guys like Smith and Warner will eat him alive. Trust me you don't want one of your young prodigies making his Test debut in Australia cause after a series like that he may never get picked again for a long time in Tests.

I'm only saying Yasir because let's be real he's going to play the non-day night test against Australia. I would like to pick someone like Ashgar or Gohar against Australia at Adelaide if that isn't the day night match because spin can come into play on that pitch. I'm not sure if the Gabba is where we play our D/N or Adelaide. But if the D/N is at Gabba then I'd pick a proper second spinner at Adelaide alongside Shadab.
 
Arsalan Pro said:
Also, Mohammad Abbas was completely ineffective after that against New Zealand in UAE and on lively wickets in South Africa. What makes you think he will do well now?

Still, we can try him in the pink ball Test.
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Maybe the fact that he destroyed the same team?
 
The biggest worry for us on this tour will be how to dismiss Smith. That guy is a rock when he gets set going to be extremely difficult to get him out. Also have to minimize the damage Warner does upfront. Oh boy this Aussie test team is a different beast with Warner and Smith back.
 
This isn't happening but I will play this lineup,

1. Imam
2. Sharjeel
3. Babar
4. Harris
5. Shaan
6. Saud
7. Rizwan
8. Faheem
9. Shaheen
10. Abbas
11. Hasnain

Shadab, Arshad, Hassan, Saad
 
Arsalan Pro said:
It won't be the same team, most of the players who were playing in that series will not be playing now.
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Doesn't matter you need to select teams based on conditions, opposition, and occasion. Look at Amir and Wahab for example people were saying these guys shouldn't be selected before the World Cup but thankfully selectors took the occasion and conditions into account and we are now reaping the rewards. Similarly Abbas has done good against Australia in the past if you are going to select Azhar based on the way he batted against Australia last time than how come a guy who dominated Australia can't be selected. If you think selecting an 18 year old kid with phast pace is going to be the answer than I honestly don't know what to tell ya.
 
QalandarFan said:
Hasnain is not experienced enough dude guys like Smith and Warner will eat him alive. Trust me you don't want one of your young prodigies making his Test debut in Australia cause after a series like that he may never get picked again for a long time in Tests.

I'm only saying Yasir because let's be real he's going to play the non-day night test against Australia. I would like to pick someone like Ashgar or Gohar against Australia at Adelaide if that isn't the day night match because spin can come into play on that pitch. I'm not sure if the Gabba is where we play our D/N or Adelaide. But if the D/N is at Gabba then I'd pick a proper second spinner at Adelaide alongside Shadab.
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We have a Test series before that Australia one, so we can debut him there. I don't think anyone can eat him alive, he might knock over some Aussies though.

Mohammad Amir was very new when he toured Australia for the first time and took a 5fer in that series at the age of 18 against one of the strongest Australian batting lineups, he is still playing in our team.
 
QalandarFan said:
Doesn't matter you need to select teams based on conditions, opposition, and occasion. Look at Amir and Wahab for example people were saying these guys shouldn't be selected before the World Cup but thankfully selectors took the occasion and conditions into account and we are now reaping the rewards. Similarly Abbas has done good against Australia in the past if you are going to select Azhar based on the way he batted against Australia last time than how come a guy who dominated Australia can't be selected. If you think selecting an 18 year old kid with phast pace is going to be the answer than I honestly don't know what to tell ya.
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You can't see the difference, can you?

Azhar batted in Australia against a full strength bowling attack, where we will be playing now.

Abbas bowled in UAE on slow tracks with low bounce that favoured him, against a understrength batting lineup, where we will not be playing now.
 
Planning as in which are the best shopping malls, sheesha cafes and halal burger joints in different cities in Australia? :) oh you meant planning for the cricket.
 
Don't understand why everyone is picking Azhar Ali and Imam-ul-Haq.

Azhar Ali has been poor in tests for a while now and was badly exposed in South Africa.

Imam hasn't done anything in Tests. He has a couple of big flaws in his technique: 1) He plants his foot across and ends up playing around it with his head falling to the side. 2) He puts himself in a poor position to play the short ball. The South Africans exposed these two flaws big time.

Our bowling isn't looking very good either. Abbas was unable to adjust for the extra bounce in South Africa and was rendered pretty ineffective. I had high hopes he will be able to do well in SA because of the lateral seam movement on offer. Australia doesn't offer that so I highly doubt he will succeed.

Amir has been bowling defensively and has just focused on keeping things quite and waiting for the wickets to come. Very rarely has he come up with a good attacking spell. He should have good stats in the end but unless he gets pumped up he won't produce a game changing performance.

Shaheen has the potential to take plenty of wickets in Australia but he still isn't ready. Hasn't learned to consistently swing the ball and cannot work a good line and length as of yet.

Hassan Ali has the tools to be a good strike bowler but it seems like he can't go more than 3 balls without doing something brainless.

Hasnain has some talent but has he ever bowled a spell in FC cricket? Same goes for Haris Rauf.

Overall we have a huge thrashing on the cards.
 
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