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Playing spin the Virat Kohli way...

So the greatest batsmen of all time ahead of Viv Richards is slowly becoming a bunny of Nathan Lyon..
 
Kohli can't play quality swing and spin. He's not in the same class in Tendulkar and Dravid. Got a long way to go
 
Its all in the head for Kohli

Cannot believe what I saw there in the video!
 
I feel like Kohli is underestimating and undermining the Aussie spinners too much. It's obvious from the fact that he's left the ball 2 times in 3 innings already and gotten out. He simply doesn't hold them high enough to dismiss him. We all know he's always had an ego problem.

He needs to realise that these guys are not makeshift spinners that NZ and Eng arranged just for the India series rather these blokes have been part of the Aussie setup for years. They are experienced and Aussies have actually done their homework. Complacency.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
I'd blame it on the batsman on the other end

Kohli the test batsman is so average.
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I wouldn't say he's average. After all, he averages 50 after a good 56 games. The only problem, he doesn't play according to the situation. Never. He always plays his own game. Now, that could be a good thing or a bad one. You choose.
 
He has all the tools to make a good test batsman especially in conditions similar to India. A few bad judgements wont change that. Perhaps overconfidence is getting the better of him these days.
 
Kohli is the best Indian player currently against spin. Just 2 dismissals and people are all over him. The same guy scored double hundred after double hundred in the last one year. There were people who doubted his ability in playing in the overseas. Slapped them with hundreds in SA and Australia. And there were people who undermined him by saying he was even inferior to his teammates. We all know how that has turned out in the last few series. He will score at least 2 hundreds in this series. Both of them could very well be big double hundreds.
 
Scoring double hundreds after doubled hundreds not makes you a great player.

Playing important crucial innings is what makes you a champion. Steven Smith's hundred in the last Test trumps every single double hundred of Virat.

Coming to Virat, he always wasn't that good against quality off break bowling.
Swan troubled him, Moeen troubled him (even if he isn't quality) in England, Lyon troubled him. He is generally good against Left arm Spinners.

He is mentally very weak, so not often there in crucial situations.
 
Mobashir said:
Scoring double hundreds after doubled hundreds not makes you a great player.

Playing important crucial innings is what makes you a champion. Steven Smith's hundred in the last Test trumps every single double hundred of Virat.

Coming to Virat, he always wasn't that good against quality off break bowling.
Swan troubled him, Moeen troubled him (even if he isn't quality) in England, Lyon troubled him. He is generally good against Left arm Spinners.

He is mentally very weak, so not often there in crucial situations.
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You are wrong. Smith had like 6-7 lives in that innings. Kohli scored 200 on a Turner against England in Mumbai. 49 not out in the first Test to draw it. 141 in Australia in 4th innings where Lyon was creating havoc. Twin centuries in SA. Played well in EVERY series he has played so far except one.
 
King Kong said:
You are wrong. Smith had like 6-7 lives in that innings. Kohli scored 200 on a Turner against England in Mumbai. 49 not out in the first Test to draw it. 141 in Australia in 4th innings where Lyon was creating havoc. Twin centuries in SA. Played well in EVERY series he has played so far except one.
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That sums up how well you are following Cricket!
 
Mobashir said:
That sums up how well you are following Cricket!
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It also summed up how well you are following cricket when you said Kohli struggles against off spinners. What stopped Moeen from having Kohli's number in recently concluded series in much more helpful conditions? Was the only one who showed some spine and guts when Lyon was turning square in Adelaide. Scored a hundred against Swann and co when India was struggling at 70-4 in the final test of the infamous 2012 series.

If you look at his average in every series and see it with context, you will know he hasn't failed completely in any series but for one if you exclude his debut series throughout his career. That's some achievement.
 
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He is doing the basics right.

2 costly mistakes though.

Will correct it.

The real question should be asked of those who don't do the basics right.
 
I'm less worried about Kohli than one of our other batsmen: Rahane.
 
So far his nemesis has been swing, seam and swing.

Yet to counter these.
 
The gap between Smith and the rest only continues to get wider and wider.
 
Mobashir said:
That sums up how well you are following Cricket!
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why the match only where kohli scores is not crucial or flat while where he doesnt score is crucial or bowler friendly pitch? what do you have to say his scores in australia ,south africa,new zealand.. why do you think only england series many years ago his first series in england and this 2 matches are only crucial whereas other matches series are not crucial where he has scored double hundreds?.get a life man....even 11 pakistan batsman is not equal to kohli in tests....we have seen how younis struggled everywhere your best bat and only scores on flat pitches in uae that's also when pakistan gets lucky to win a toss and bat first which they mostly have been lucky.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
It happens nothing new even Raymond Price made Sachin his bunny few years ago.
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Kohli is still the 2nd best test batsmen in the world. However, he is nowhere near to be considered as the greatest batsmen of all time as his fans claim.

He is also the 2nd best batsmen and not the best as far as odis are concerned.
 
akki said:
how younis struggled everywhers and only scores on flat pitches in uae that's also when pakistan gets lucky to win a toss and bat first which they mostly have been lucky.
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Why are you lying?

There goes your argument. Do you have any friggin idea of what younis averages in Australia, England and New Zealand??? Over a sample of more than 200 Test innings?

He only recently scored a double ton in Eng and Aus.

Now you're talking about scoring and overseas. YK has done that very well.

Now do you have any idea of what's common in YK And Kohli scoring overseas? They did not encounter the typical threatening swing or seam. They both have enjoyed relatively flat tracks and scored there.

Both have failed whenever encountered with swing and seam. Or even spin when it comes to Kohli.

Go check the averages and come back here.
 
Hawkeye said:
Why are you lying?

There goes your argument. Do you have any friggin idea of what younis averages in Australia, England and New Zealand??? Over a sample of more than 200 Test innings?

He only recently scored a double ton in Eng and Aus.

Now you're talking about scoring and overseas. YK has done that very well.

Now do you have any idea of what's common in YK And Kohli scoring overseas? They did not encounter the typical threatening swing or seam. They both have enjoyed relatively flat tracks and scored there.

Both have failed whenever encountered with swing and seam. Or even spin when it comes to Kohli.

Go check the averages and come back here.
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kohli only only only failed in one series against england out of god sake how many series he has played till now.....i know younis is vwry good batsman...but who started first? he called kohli mentally weak player where as he has scored every where....in every series.....one or 2 series though this series is not over yet doenst make him less batsman
 
Can't perform in every series.

Looks like he's have a rough one here. Shows even the best batsman start to doubt themselves at times.
 
Embarrassing how Pakistanis go out of their way to denigrate Kohli's talent and skills. He is under pressure for the first time in his captaincy career and he is making poor decisions, as epitomized by the appalling DRS use. It's nowt to do with his ability to play the turning ball.
 
akki said:
kohli only only only failed in one series against england out of god sake how many series he has played till now.....i know younis is vwry good batsman...but who started first? he called kohli mentally weak player where as he has scored every where....in every series.....one or 2 series though this series is not over yet doenst make him less batsman
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I'm not concerned with your reasoning of why he failed there.

I'm only pointing out your misinformation and mud slinging at Younis that he only scores in the UAE.

Why the insecurity and why go out of your way to degrade yk?
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Embarrassing how Pakistanis go out of their way to denigrate Kohli's talent and skills. He is under pressure for the first time in his captaincy career and he is making poor decisions, as epitomized by the appalling DRS use. It's nowt to do with his ability to play the turning ball.
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Actually, you folks going out of their way to attack yk is what irked me. The lies above are embarrassing!

Nobody hates Kohli. He's my favorite batsman and ATG in ODIs, arguably even better than Tendulkar.
 
Last Monetarist said:
Embarrassing how Pakistanis go out of their way to denigrate Kohli's talent and skills. He is under pressure for the first time in his captaincy career and he is making poor decisions, as epitomized by the appalling DRS use. It's nowt to do with his ability to play the turning ball.
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Don't bother anymore. He is a more complete batsman than anyone we have produced in our history and he is only entering his peak years now.

Yet, if you read the analysis of the experts here, the make him look like a B grade player. For 20 years, an Indian batsman gave our fans stomach bugs, but it seems like it didn't end with his retirement.
 
Not fit to tie Younis Khan's laces in test cricket. Kohli already had huge question marks over his head regarding his ability to play good swing and seam bowling. However, he's built up quite an impressive repertoire of failure against spin over his career, thus far.

Clearly nowhere near being the best batsman in the world and has a long, arduous journey before anyone worth listening to picks him over guys like Inzamam, Yousuf, Anwar, Mahela and Sehwag; forget about the tier above made up of Sachin, Dravid, Gavasker, Younis, Miandad and Sangakkara.

Can see him failing badly in South Africa, later this year as well. Had it fairly easy in the country last time around, even if he played a great knock in one of the innings.
 
Bilal7 said:
Not fit to tie Younis Khan's laces in test cricket. Kohli already had huge question marks over his head regarding his ability to play good swing and seam bowling. However, he's built up quite an impressive repertoire of failure against spin over his career, thus far.

Clearly nowhere near being the best batsman in the world and has a long, arduous journey before anyone worth listening to picks him over guys like Inzamam, Yousuf, Anwar, Mahela and Sehwag; forget about the tier above made up of Sachin, Dravid, Gavasker, Younis, Miandad and Sangakkara.

Can see him failing badly in South Africa, later this year as well. Had it fairly easy in the country last time around, even if he played a great knock in one of the innings.
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Ability wise, Kohli has more potential than Younis.

But, I just point out the hypocrisy and double standards of those who bash YK and bring in Kohli's averages, while ignoring how good Younis averages overseas.

Both have feasted on flat tracks overseas, which is a different story.
 
Hawkeye said:
Ability wise, Kohli has more potential than Younis.

But, I just point out the hypocrisy and double standards of those who bash YK and bring in Kohli's averages, while ignoring how good Younis averages overseas.

Both have feasted on flat tracks overseas, which is a different story.
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Yes, just like Umar Akmal was full of talent and Inzamam was just as good as Sachin, based on ability. These things don't matter until they come to fruition. We'll see where Kohli stands in five years time and if he has 10,000 runs at an average of 50+, with 30+ centuries scored all over the world.

Kohli definitely feasted on the flattest tracks known to man on his last tour of Australia but Khan hasn't had that luxury at all. He couldn't even play overseas much during his peak but still averaged 50+ in Australia and England last year, at the age of 40.
 
Our bowling must really be rubbish and Amir must be worse than Ashok Dinda if him and the rest let the likes of Warner score centuries in a session in Australia few months back, on pitches that have been rightly described as difficult for batting, due to which the ATG Khan couldn't score 4 hundreds in 4 games like Kohli.
 
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MenInG said:
more out of disbelief of his own stupidity than anything else
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Actually the non-striker with his head gesture suggested it might be going down leg. Outrageous shot though.
 
Mamoon said:
Our bowling must really be rubbish and Amir must be worse than Ashok Dinda if him and the rest let the likes of Warner scores centuries in a session in Australia few months back, on pitches that have been rightly described as difficult for batting, due to which the ATG Khan couldn't score 4 hundreds in 4 games like Kohli.
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Mamoon desperately trying to put down Pakistan so that the India and Kohli bashing can stop :)))
 
Mamoon said:
Our bowling must really be rubbish and Amir must be worse than Ashok Dinda if him and the rest let the likes of Warner scores centuries in a session in Australia few months back, on pitches that have been rightly described as difficult for batting, due to which the ATG Khan couldn't score 4 hundreds in 4 games like Kohli.
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score centuries*
 
Tendulker recently said that he's relieved that he ended his career before he had to face the music of Lyon and O'Keefe lettin' it rip all over the place. Ponting wishes he could have Kohli's numbers in England and Lara rated Kohli's double (he couldn't remember which one he was talking about) as better than any innings he, or anyone else has played.
 
Syed1 said:
Mamoon desperately trying to put down Pakistan so that the India and Kohli bashing can stop :)))
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Just applying the same formula. If the pitches in that Test series were good for bowling, how do we explain the failures of our bowlers, considering the fact that we had the best spinner in the world, the best pacer in Asia as well as the fastest pacer in Asia at our disposal.
 
Syed1 said:
Mamoon desperately trying to put down Pakistan so that the India and Kohli bashing can stop :)))
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He forgets that Warner scoring a century before Lunch, while batting first on an Australian pitch is no big deal given that Warner is great at scoring quickly when the pitch is at it's flattest. He's not a plodder like "ATG" Cook.
 
The best player of spin in the world is definitely between Kohli and Cook.
 
Mamoon said:
Just applying the same formula. If the pitches in that Test series were good for bowling, how do we explain the failures of our bowlers, considering the fact that we had the best spinner in the world, the best pacer in Asia as well as the fastest pacer in Asia at our disposal.
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You aren't any better than those hyping up Younis. You're in the same boat, but hype Kohli's inflated average too.

Fact is both have failed under testing conditions overseas, but feasted on flat tracks.

Potential wise, Kohli is far ahead, but let's see how that potential fares up in the next 100 Test innings.
 
Not forgetting anything. Warner destroying our bowlers in a session is just one example. Our bowling was consistently mediocre throughout that Test series and the best spinner in the world, the best fast bowler in Asia and the fastest bowler in Asia were all struggling to take wickets, so how do we explain their lack of success considering the fact that the pitches were not flat and which is why UAE & Dead Rubber Khan was not able to score like Kohli.

Or is it the same logic that is used to downplay the runs of Kohli and wickets of Ashwin in Asia? When Kohli bats, it's a complete road, but when Ashwin bowls on the same pitch, it's a minefield. This logic applies regardless of who bats first or bowls first.

Seems like Australia used the same tactics. They used the 'pitch changer' spell from Hogwarts to turn the pitch into a minefield when UAE & Dead Rubber Khan came onto bat, but turned it into a road when Amir and Yasir had the ball in their hand.
 
Hawkeye said:
You aren't any better than those hyping up Younis. You're in the same boat, but hype Kohli's inflated average too.

Fact is both have failed under testing conditions overseas, but feasted on flat tracks.

Potential wise, Kohli is far ahead, but let's see how that potential fares up in the next 100 Test innings.
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Not interested in Kohli's average. You should recall that before his purple patch in Tests starting with the Caribbean tour where his average was in the low 40s and he was being compared to the likes of Shafiq, I had maintained that it's only a matter of time and he's ATG material, and ahead of Younis overall, which is true. No player is perfect but Kohli is a champion batsman who is well ahead of Younis and any batsman Pakistan has produced when you take everything into consideration.

I will repeat, he belongs in the league of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. He's one good World Cup away from being better than them in ODIs already and he is only entering his peak now. In Tests, it is only a matter of playing more matches and gaining more experience. These are all trials and tribulations that every great player goes through, and he is a great player. There is no purpose in bringing Younis to the table every time because he doesn't belong into this league of batting.
 
Mamoon said:
I will repeat, he belongs in the league of Tendulkar, Lara and Ponting. He's one good World Cup away from being better than them in ODIs already and he is only entering his peak now. In Tests, it is only a matter of playing more matches and gaining more experience. These are all trials and tribulations that every great player goes through, and he is a great player.
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Nobody doubts his ODI credentials. For me, he's already better than Tendulkar in ODIs - challenging Ponting and Viv Richards.

In Tests, he has yet to prove a lot, but has his basics covered-has scored heavily albeit not in as testing conditions.

But he'll certainly come across them in his next 100 Test innings.
 
Amir and Riaz bowled excellently in the first innings at Perth, while Shah was good without reward. If not for Rahat Ali who just might be a worse bowler than Dinda, we would have restricted the Aussies to a low total on the most bowling-friendly pitch of the series. We didn't get to bowl under lights much in that test and in the seconds innings, our bowling was mentally shot after a capitulation by the batters, who unfortunately had to bat under lights. Had this pitch been as flat as the one for the last game, Younis would have scored a ton for sure. The second game was disappointing and Khan's innings in the last game was better than any of Kohli's innings, barring his knock at Adelaide.

What happened in England where Khan scored more runs in one innings than Kohli managed in his entire tour while Shah won Pakistan two games and Ashwin was MIA?
 
I eagerly await for Kohli's ATG knocks against Rabada, Philander and Steyn/Morkel.
 
Ashwin wasn't that good at that time, he has come a long way since and has bowled some superb spells recently on pitches that weren't turners. He is a more intelligent bowler now, he will obviously do much better in England in the future.

Kohli was technically exposed in England. It was the first time in his career he had to face high quality swing bowling from someone like Anderson in testing conditions, it was a superb learning curve and Kohli changed from there on both in terms of fitness and attitude.

He modified his technique and worked with Tendulkar a lot. If people can't see that because of their blinkers, than that's their problem. Failing isn't a big deal but not learning from your mistakes are. On the other hand, the ATG Khan continues to fish outside the off-stump like an amateur after 100 Tests and 17 years, and the way he averaged 4 in NZ on green tracks summed it up. He made Kohli's England series look like a success with the way he embarrassingly failed the first he batted on a green-top in a long, long time. However, we can brush his failure off because only Kohli and Ashwin aren't allowed to have a bad series or two. Others can go their whole career without scoring against lateral movement, but it doesn't matter.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I feel like Kohli is underestimating and undermining the Aussie spinners too much. It's obvious from the fact that he's left the ball 2 times in 3 innings already and gotten out. He simply doesn't hold them high enough to dismiss him. We all know he's always had an ego problem.

He needs to realise that these guys are not makeshift spinners that NZ and Eng arranged just for the India series rather these blokes have been part of the Aussie setup for years. They are experienced and Aussies have actually done their homework. Complacency.
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he's overestimating them. he think bowl will turn but it didn't!
 
Bilal7 said:
Amir and Riaz bowled excellently in the first innings at Perth, while Shah was good without reward. If not for Rahat Ali who just might be a worse bowler than Dinda, we would have restricted the Aussies to a low total on the most bowling-friendly pitch of the series. We didn't get to bowl under lights much in that test and in the seconds innings, our bowling was mentally shot after a capitulation by the batters, who unfortunately had to bat under lights. Had this pitch been as flat as the one for the last game, Younis would have scored a ton for sure. The second game was disappointing and Khan's innings in the last game was better than any of Kohli's innings, barring his knock at Adelaide.

What happened in England where Khan scored more runs in one innings than Kohli managed in his entire tour while Shah won Pakistan two games and Ashwin was MIA?
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The fact is that they bowled rubbish. Stop making excuses and how this happened and that happened etc. Accept the fact that they were poor, just like everyone accepts that Ashwin has been poor overseas and Kohli was poor in England. Don't make your double standards even more apparent than they already are.
 
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I have started to really admire this guy as a person... pardon me for my ignorance but unlike odis he hasnt played impactful test innings which resulted in wins apart from the few in last year .. please don't mention his hundreds in SA, AUS etc .. I watched those matches and his team .. on the other side Pujara's hundred in SL on a difficult track lead his team to match and series victory .. so saying he is a test great already is a bit far fetched .. I can easily name 10 batsmen better than him in last few years who played more impactful test innings

that said he is a hard worker .. expect him to go big in test cricket soon too ..
 
Kohli is a "bottler". Not a pressure player. You will see this with a lot of the emotional guys. They can't seem to keep calm when required to. Stokes is another example of this.
 
Rayyman said:
Kohli is a "bottler". Not a pressure player. You will see this with a lot of the emotional guys. They can't seem to keep calm when required to. Stokes is another example of this.
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Do you know what you're saying? Kohli is one of the best players under pressure in the modern game.
 
I don't think it's a technical thing. Seems to be a mental thing, I'll back him to bounce back.
 
Rayyman said:
Kohli is a "bottler". Not a pressure player. You will see this with a lot of the emotional guys. They can't seem to keep calm when required to. Stokes is another example of this.
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Kohli is a lot of things but a bottler isn't one of them.

Guy is one of the greatest chasers in ODI and T20I history.
 
Rayyman said:
Kohli is a "bottler". Not a pressure player. You will see this with a lot of the emotional guys. They can't seem to keep calm when required to. Stokes is another example of this.
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you will find it very hard to convince anyone that Kohli is a bottler ... even on a Pakistani forum about that one. Maybe the likes of [MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] will agree with you but even that Iam not sure.
 
Rayyman said:
Kohli is a "bottler". Not a pressure player. You will see this with a lot of the emotional guys. They can't seem to keep calm when required to. Stokes is another example of this.
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Kohli is arguably the greatest pressure player in history of ODIs and T20.
 
Kohli most certainly is a choker in World Cups. Still remember that epic fail in the semi-final, lol. In ODIs, he's pretty good with pressure, as long as it doesn't come in Australia, England and South Africa, against their respective bowlers.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I feel like Kohli is underestimating and undermining the Aussie spinners too much. It's obvious from the fact that he's left the ball 2 times in 3 innings already and gotten out. He simply doesn't hold them high enough to dismiss him. We all know he's always had an ego problem.

He needs to realise that these guys are not makeshift spinners that NZ and Eng arranged just for the India series rather these blokes have been part of the Aussie setup for years. They are experienced and Aussies have actually done their homework. Complacency.
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I don't think thats the case I think he thought the ball would spin too much. It went straight instead.
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli most certainly is a choker in World Cups. Still remember that epic fail in the semi-final, lol. In ODIs, he's pretty good with pressure, as long as it doesn't come in Australia, England and South Africa, against their respective bowlers.
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MOTM in 2 World Cups is a choker?
 
Bilal7 said:
Kohli most certainly is a choker in World Cups. Still remember that epic fail in the semi-final, lol. In ODIs, he's pretty good with pressure, as long as it doesn't come in Australia, England and South Africa, against their respective bowlers.
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You missed Namibia, Kenya, Papua New Guinea, Nepal, Scotland, Ireland,Poland and Iceland and their respectively bowlers in that list.
 
Bilal7 said:
Yes, because all of those countries are Full ICC members and possess good bowlers. Try again.



What exactly are you trying to say?
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Kohli was "Man of the Series" in 2 World T20s. Quite an achievement for a choker. I know those are T20s, but still not a normal feat by any means. Don't think this is a sign and testament that he will likely do well in ODI world cups as well? I'd like to have your honest opinion on this.
 
King Kong said:
Kohli was "Man of the Series" in 2 World T20s. Quite an achievement for a choker. I know those are T20s, but still not a normal feat by any means. Don't think this is a sign and testament that he will likely do well in ODI world cups as well? I'd like to have your honest opinion on this.
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If you're taking about choking and the ability to handle pressure, the format doesn't really matter. Whether it is a crucial T20 WC semifinal against Australia or a difficult ODI chase, it still tests your temperament.
 
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If you're taking about choking and the ability to handle pressure, the format doesn't really matter. Whether it is a crucial T20 WC semifinal against Australia or a difficult ODI chase, it still tests your temperament.
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True. That's why it's only a matter of time before he delivers in ODI WCs.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I feel like Kohli is underestimating and undermining the Aussie spinners too much. It's obvious from the fact that he's left the ball 2 times in 3 innings already and gotten out. He simply doesn't hold them high enough to dismiss him. We all know he's always had an ego problem.

He needs to realise that these guys are not makeshift spinners that NZ and Eng arranged just for the India series rather these blokes have been part of the Aussie setup for years. They are experienced and Aussies have actually done their homework. Complacency.
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King Kong said:
Kohli was "Man of the Series" in 2 World T20s. Quite an achievement for a choker. I know those are T20s, but still not a normal feat by any means. Don't think this is a sign and testament that he will likely do well in ODI world cups as well? I'd like to have your honest opinion on this.
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Sachin136 said:
If you're taking about choking and the ability to handle pressure, the format doesn't really matter. Whether it is a crucial T20 WC semifinal against Australia or a difficult ODI chase, it still tests your temperament.
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Format matters a lot. The WT20 doesn't have anywhere near the importance of the World Cup. T20s in general are also much less important than ODIs.

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True. That's why it's only a matter of time before he delivers in ODI WCs.
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He has one last chance in England, in 2019. Not sure he'll be available to do anything of note in those conditions against teams with Rabada, Starc, Boult, Amir and Finn in their attack. Let's see. As of now, he's an epic choker in WCs and that semi-final failure is the biggest example.
 
King Kong said:
Kohli was "Man of the Series" in 2 World T20s. Quite an achievement for a choker. I know those are T20s, but still not a normal feat by any means. Don't think this is a sign and testament that he will likely do well in ODI world cups as well? I'd like to have your honest opinion on this.
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Sachin136 said:
If you're taking about choking and the ability to handle pressure, the format doesn't really matter. Whether it is a crucial T20 WC semifinal against Australia or a difficult ODI chase, it still tests your temperament.
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The WT20 is nowhere near as valuable as the World Cup. Neithe are T20s as important as ODIs. In ODIs, he's been a choker at the biggest stage; in T20s, he's great at that.

King Kong said:
True. That's why it's only a matter of time before he delivers in ODI WCs.
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For now though, he has failed in World Cups.
 
Bilal7 said:
Format matters a lot. The WT20 doesn't have anywhere near the importance of the World Cup. T20s in general are also much less important than ODIs.



He has one last chance in England, in 2019. Not sure he'll be available to do anything of note in those conditions against teams with Rabada, Starc, Boult, Amir and Finn in their attack. Let's see. As of now, he's an epic choker in WCs and that semi-final failure is the biggest example.
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You are underestimating in big way. Don't know whether it is just your perception or bias. Anyway, he had a fabulous series in NZ against IN-FORM Southee & Boult back in 2014. Also scored a 100 England in the ODI series in 2011. Almost scored a hundred (rain curtailed his innings) in 2011 in South Africa, was 87* till the interruption and had starts in other matches in that series. And some fantastic innings in Australia to make him ALL-CONDITION player in ODIs. You have a point to prove that he failed in world cups, but not in overseas, where he had more than a decent record against all bowlers. He will definitely correct his record in world cups. If he couldn't, then there is every chance that his legacy and stature will go down. Don't think 2019 is his last world cup. He will be 30 by then, definitely will play 2023 at 34 and maybe even 2027.
 
^Add to that, even in world cups, I don't say he failed COMPLETELY as he scored a hundred against Pakistan, which is as big a stage as it can get. Was in a very vital partnership with Gambhir in the final of 2011 WC.
 
Oh the roller coaster of some Pakistani fans. The inevitable change in his fortunes will rob this thread of activity. But yes, that dismissal and review has the combined comedy of Hafeez on his good days and Watson with his sense of the drs
 
King Kong said:
^Add to that, even in world cups, I don't say he failed COMPLETELY as he scored a hundred against Pakistan, which is as big a stage as it can get. Was in a very vital partnership with Gambhir in the final of 2011 WC.
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2011 World cup:
Failed in Quarter Final vs Australia
Failed in Semi Final vs Pakistan
Failed in Final vs Sri Lanka

2015 world cup:
Failed in Quarter Final vs Bangladesh
Failed in Semi Final vs Australia.

Mentally weak player.
 
Pete Rose said:
Oh the roller coaster of some Pakistani fans. The inevitable change in his fortunes will rob this thread of activity. But yes, that dismissal and review has the combined comedy of Hafeez on his good days and Watson with his sense of the drs
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It proved that mentally he is not in a good shape.
 
Mobashir said:
2011 World cup:
Failed in Quarter Final vs Australia
Failed in Semi Final vs Pakistan
Failed in Final vs Sri Lanka

2015 world cup:
Failed in Quarter Final vs Bangladesh
Failed in Semi Final vs Australia.

Mentally weak player.
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Mentally weak player could not have won Two 'Man of the Series' awards in consecutive T20 world cups.
 
I rate Misbah higher than Kohli in Tests. Misbah the Test batsmen plays the ball on merit. He has no ego attached to his beard.
 
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