PM Imran Khan calls out intl. media for 'ignoring dire human rights crisis' in occupied Kashmir

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am puzzled as to how international media continues to give headline coverage to Hongkong protests but ignores the dire human rights crisis in IOJK - an internationally recognised disputed territory illegally annexed by India with 900k troops imposing a siege on 8mn Kashmiris</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511943795564546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For over 2 months with a complete blackout of communications, thousands imprisoned,including entire spectrum of political leadership plus children, & a growing humanitarian crisis. In IOJK 100k Kashmiris have been killed over 30 yrs fighting for their right to self determination</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511945792012288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">as committed to them by the international community through UNSC resolutions.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511949483040768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday called out the international media for continuing to give "headline coverage" to the ongoing Hong Kong protests but "ignoring the dire human rights crisis" in occupied Jammu & Kashmir.

"I am puzzled as to how international media continues to give headline coverage to Hong Kong protests but ignores the dire human rights crisis in IOJK — an internationally recognised disputed territory illegally annexed by India with 900,000 troops imposing a siege on 8 million Kashmiris [contd] for over 2 months, with a complete blackout of communications, thousands imprisoned — including [the] entire spectrum of political leadership plus children — and a growing humanitarian crisis," the premier wrote on Twitter.

"In IOJK, 100,000 Kashmiris have been killed over 30 years fighting for their right to self-determination as committed to them by the international community through UN Security Council resolutions," he added.

In pictures: 60 days on, occupied Kashmir remains under siege

Prime Minister Imran will participate in formation of a human chain today to show solidarity with the people of occupied Kashmir who have been facing curfew for over two months.

The chain would be made after Friday prayers. It will start from D-Chowk and the premier will join it at Gate No 1 of Prime Minister Office.

PTI chief organiser Saifullah Niazi has directed party workers to reach D-Chowk to form the human chain.


https://www.dawn.com/news/1510260/p...-dire-human-rights-crisis-in-occupied-kashmir

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Prime Minister Imran will participate in formation of a human chain today to show solidarity with the people of occupied Kashmir who have been facing curfew for over two months.

The chain would be made after Friday prayers. It will start from D-Chowk and the premier will join it at Gate No 1 of Prime Minister Office.

I’m sure the Kashmiris will sleep a bit better tonight in the knowledge that a human chain has been formed in their name.

 

[Mamoon]

“I am puzzled”.

His well-documented naivety and delusions are getting cute.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Imran, spare a though for Ugyhur Muslims, kidneys and livers are being taken out of their bodies and sold as I type this by China.


Ummah....

 

[Salma_T]

Not happy with the tweet at all.....He won't discuss with Uigher Muslims as it is an internal matter yet brings up Hong Kong in reference to Kashmir and media attention. He could have used other examples.......it isn't a good look

 

[MenInG]

I’m sure the Kashmiris will sleep a bit better tonight in the knowledge that a human chain has been formed in their name.

You know it is said that when someone does something good, its best to either praise them or not say anything at all as they are atleast doing something.

Of course you have an Indian pov on this but this is really meant for others too.

 

[kingusama92]

Imran Khan is a great leader but it's a complete fail to make these statements.

A man who can't talk about Uyghur Muslims and/or the Hong Kong protests is unlikely to win anyone over about Kashmir. He's criticizing nations for something he's doing too (ignoring China's complete lack of respect for human rights).

You can't pick and choose.

With his current position, it's clear Imran would have ignored the Kashmir issue if it didn't involve India. I'm sure he cares about everyone but politics has left him between a rock and a hard place.

Just looks bad at this point as China's behavior worsens.

 

[Mamoon]

His days are numbered.

The humiliation and hypocrisy continues at the international level, and an uprising by the mullahs is brewing at the domestic level.

His fate is not surprising considering the route he took to come into power. This had to happen one day.

 

[globalcitizen]

The leadership of imran is turning out to be more puzzling !

 

[Mamoon]

Imran Khan is a great leader but it's a complete fail to make these statements.

A man who can't talk about Uyghur Muslims and/or the Hong Kong protests is unlikely to win anyone over about Kashmir. He's criticizing nations for something he's doing too (ignoring China's complete lack of respect for human rights).

You can't pick and choose.

With his current position, it's clear Imran would have ignored the Kashmir issue if it didn't involve India. I'm sure he cares about everyone but politics has left him between a rock and a hard place.

Just looks bad at this point as China's behavior worsens.

Imran’s statements are aimed at his worshippers who blindly lap up everything he says or does. He is a populist leader who rapidly losing popular support because of the poor performance of his government.

The support for him on social media is misleading. They don’t represent the majority.

This is a tough time to be Imran - he knows he is helpless when it comes to Kashmir, but he has to follow the dictation of the military establishment and to keep the public distracted from the abject performance of his government.

He has to be hypocritical because he cannot upset the Chinese. However, he has scored a major own goal by needlessly mentioning Hong Kong.

Meanwhile back home, the maulvis are preparing a massive PTI style protest that would increase the pressure on him and ensure that his tweets about Kashmir will not be successful in distracting the country.

 

[kk1992]

Imran’s statements are aimed at his worshippers who blindly lap up everything he says or does. He is a populist leader who rapidly losing popular support because of the poor performance of his government.

The support for him on social media is misleading. They don’t represent the majority.

This is a tough time to be Imran - he knows he is helpless when it comes to Kashmir, but he has to follow the dictation of the military establishment and to keep the public distracted from the abject performance of his government.

He has to be hypocritical because he cannot upset the Chinese. However, he has scored a major own goal by needlessly mentioning Hong Kong.

Meanwhile back home, the maulvis are preparing a massive PTI style protest that would increase the pressure on him and ensure that his tweets about Kashmir will not be successful in distracting the country.

You keep repeating this over and over as if you keep repeating will make it true.

Any Pakistani politician would have talked about Kashmir and keep mentioning Kashmir.

The issue for you is that he has done it in a way that media has actually paid attention and that is causing you pain.

You are like those Indians on this forum, who keep repeating same thing over and over hoping to cause confusion and to change the narrative.

Any COAS , Any Pakistani PM, Any Pakistani President, Any Pakistani Governor, Any Pakistani senator and almost every Pakistani would have spoken about Kashmir.

LOL

 

[Bhaijaan]

It's not about whether he is accurate or truthful but one must appreciate him for looking at the world through the eyes of humanity at a time most leaders have sold their soul to Satan.

It's like Satan knocks at Imran's doors every TGIF night but good old Immy sends him back saying better luck next time just like what Google Pay does to your Bhaijaan every time he gets a scratch card.

 

[KingKhanWC]

His days are numbered.

The humiliation and hypocrisy continues at the international level, and an uprising by the mullahs is brewing at the domestic level.

His fate is not surprising considering the route he took to come into power. This had to happen one day.

This is delusion of the highest order.

Imran has never failed at anything in life and has achieved more than anyone alive in Pakistan today. People need to remember this when criticising him.

Great tweet.

Imran isnt as stupid as some of his critics. It was Imran who highlighted the issue which has led western media to write articles on Kashmir. Imran is now keeping up the pressure and at the same time speaking up for China, the main ally.

 

[Bewal Express]

Imran’s statements are aimed at his worshippers who blindly lap up everything he says or does. He is a populist leader who rapidly losing popular support because of the poor performance of his government.

The support for him on social media is misleading. They don’t represent the majority.

This is a tough time to be Imran - he knows he is helpless when it comes to Kashmir, but he has to follow the dictation of the military establishment and to keep the public distracted from the abject performance of his government.

He has to be hypocritical because he cannot upset the Chinese. However, he has scored a major own goal by needlessly mentioning Hong Kong.

Meanwhile back home, the maulvis are preparing a massive PTI style protest that would increase the pressure on him and ensure that his tweets about Kashmir will not be successful in distracting the country.

IK is a living legend and has single handedly took on the mafia in PK and improved the image of PK abroad. No children of crooks can ever do anything to him because he has achieved more than the losers will even achieve in their dreams.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Suck it up loser, IK is a living legend and has single handedly took on the mafia in PK and improved the image of PK abroad. No children of crooks can ever do anything to him because he has achieved more than the losers will even achieve in their dreams.

This is what I dont understand. If leaders become corrupt or commit war crimes etc, sure the public can criticise or ask them to stop down but Imran Khan has done more than any of his loser critics could dream of yet they have the gaul to call him an idiot.

Imran was voted in as PM of Pakistan, his duty is towards to the people of Pakistan first and foremost. It would not only be stupid but wrong if he destroyed relations with China over a sepratist issue which is an internal issue for China.

 

[MenInG]

Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday said that Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi had "played his last card" by downgrading the autonomy of occupied Kashmir, stressing that the residents of the disputed region will not accept the decision.

"Narendra Modi committed a mistake, he has played his last card," he told the participants of a 'human chain' event held in Islamabad to express solidarity with the people of occupied Kashmir.

He said Modi thinks that the people of occupied Kashmir will accept the decision of revoking Article 370. "He [Modi] doesn't know that what the Kashmiri people have faced in the last several decades, it has eliminated the fear of death among them. Tens of thousands of Kashmiri people will not accept the decision and come out when the curfew is lifted," he added.

Prime Minister Imran said people had gathered today to deliver a message to the people of occupied Kashmir that the Pakistani nation stands with them. "We will continue reminding the international community that eight million humans have been locked up in Kashmir," he vowed.

The premier regretted the wall-to-wall coverage of the Hong Kong protests by international media, and the relative silence surrounding the treatment of the people of Kashmir.

"I want to highlight the issue of double standards as Kashmir is not a part of India and Hong Kong is a part of China but the proportion of coverage of the Kashmiri people is very less as compared to the issue of Hong Kong," he said.

"Our movement is for the human rights of the Kashmiri people; God willing it will become massive," the prime minister added.

His address came after a large number of people gathered in the capital after Friday prayers to form a 'human chain' from D-Chowk to Radio Pakistan Chowk in a show of solidarity with the people of occupied Kashmir. Prime Minister Imran joined the chain as it passed through the Prime Minister's Office.

'Break the chains'
Addressing the event, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister (SAPM) on Information Firdous Ashiq Awan said the premier had promised to the Kashmiri people that he will approach each and every forum to highlight their plight.

She the message delivered by the prime minister with his participation in the human chain was of "connectivity — of one hand with another and one heart with another".

"The chain was formed to shake the silence of the global community and the international media," she said, adding that Prime Minister Imran had once again told the world that the Pakistani nation will continue to raise voices for Kashmir.

"The human chain will ultimately break the chains and jails of the Kashmiri people."

The people of Kashmir have been living under curfew-like conditions for over two months now.

Earlier on Thursday, PTI chief organiser Saifullah Niazi had directed party workers to reach D-Chowk to form the human chain.

In a message, Niazi had said that the people of Pakistan would send a clear message that they are with the people of occupied Kashmir and will continue supporting them.

“We will inform the world about the atrocities of the Indian army and will play our role to get freedom for the people of the occupied valley,” he had said.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1510276/m...king-occupied-kashmirs-autonomy-pm-imran-says

 

[cricketjoshila]

So Imran Khan is upset that Hongkong protests are getting the coverage. And wants media to replace it with Kashmir.

May be he doesnot know, but the not everyone toes the chinese line.

 

[Napa]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I am puzzled as to how international media continues to give headline coverage to Hongkong protests but ignores the dire human rights crisis in IOJK - an internationally recognised disputed territory illegally annexed by India with 900k troops imposing a siege on 8mn Kashmiris</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511943795564546?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">For over 2 months with a complete blackout of communications, thousands imprisoned,including entire spectrum of political leadership plus children, & a growing humanitarian crisis. In IOJK 100k Kashmiris have been killed over 30 yrs fighting for their right to self determination</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511945792012288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">as committed to them by the international community through UNSC resolutions.</p>— Imran Khan (@ImranKhanPTI) <a href="https://twitter.com/ImranKhanPTI/status/1182511949483040768?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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IK: I am puzzled how international media gives coverage to HK but ignores Kashmir.

International Media: We are puzzled how IK whines non-stop about Kashmir but ignores Uyghurs.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/asia/imran-khan-china-uyghur-intl/index.html
https://www.newsweek.com/china-muslims-pakistan-imran-khan-1399044
https://thediplomat.com/2019/09/the...ani-jihadists-and-radicals-on-chinas-uyghurs/

 

[KingKhanWC]

IK is in the pocket of that looney Erdo. He cannot anger his BFF.

Turkey and Pakistan have historic ties. If anything Turkey looks up to Pakistan. As an Indian I wouldn't worry about this, beyond your understanding.

IK: I am puzzled how international media gives coverage to HK but ignores Kashmir.

International Media: We are puzzled how IK whines non-stop about Kashmir but ignores Uyghurs.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/28/asia/imran-khan-china-uyghur-intl/index.html
https://www.newsweek.com/china-muslims-pakistan-imran-khan-1399044
https://thediplomat.com/2019/09/the...ani-jihadists-and-radicals-on-chinas-uyghurs/

The problem is your understanding. Kashmirs are occupied, Uyghurs are not. It really is that simple.

 

[Napa]

The problem is your understanding. Kashmirs are occupied, Uyghurs are not. It really is that simple.

These are legal technicalities which are irrelevant when it comes to, to quote IK "a human rights crisis". Just because by some historical accident the Uyghurs ended up in China doesn't give the Chinese government the right to throw 2 million Uyghurs into concentration camps, where they are forced to eat pork, starved and beaten unless they sign songs praising China, forced to have abortions, have their children taken away from them, have their organs harvested, etc. etc.

 

[KingKhanWC]

These are legal technicalities which are irrelevant when it comes to, to quote IK "a human rights crisis". Just because by some historical accident the Uyghurs ended up in China doesn't give the Chinese government the right to throw 2 million Uyghurs into concentration camps, where they are forced to eat pork, starved and beaten unless they sign songs praising China, forced to have abortions, have their children taken away from them, have their organs harvested, etc. etc.

Is this what they are teaching you on RSS TV?

All your info could only be based on what some of those who claim to have been in them camps have said.

Indian army has been raping schoolgirls. I could list the brutal crimes for decades against the Kashmiris but this one is enough to prove Indians are worse than any Chinese acts but you support India in Kashmir. So stop with your nonsense propoganda. China is not occupying anyone, it doesnt have a Hindu extremist government which hates Muslims. Muslims in China are doing great in all part of the country.

The day Chinese become worse than Indians , Imran can then be criticised by Indians, otherwise they should be quiet because they are coming across as foolish hypocrites.

 

[PakLFC]

No reason for the international media to fight Pak pr Muslim wars. IK is frustrated seeing his strategy of endless waiting fail. Either take some form of military action or stop boring us all with your stupid lectures and endless crying. Look at Turkey to see how they safeguard their interests instead of begging to the west like IK is.

 

[Napa]

Is this what they are teaching you on RSS TV?

Wow, RSS TV must be the most powerful media conglomerate ever as they have media sources such as PBS, Independent, Washington Examiner, Business Insider etc. as subsidiaries.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/c...t-uyghur-muslims-say-its-unbearable-brutality

https://www.independent.co.uk/voice...ighur-muslims-falun-gong-brexit-a9120146.html

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...d-in-chinese-internment-camps-for-their-faith

https://www.businessinsider.com/chi...uighur-muslims-china-tribunal-tells-un-2019-9

No more replies unless I see something intelligent to respond to.

 

[Salma_T]

This is delusion of the highest order.

Imran has never failed at anything in life and has achieved more than anyone alive in Pakistan today. People need to remember this when criticising him.

Great tweet.

Imran isnt as stupid as some of his critics. It was Imran who highlighted the issue which has led western media to write articles on Kashmir. Imran is now keeping up the pressure and at the same time speaking up for China, the main ally.

The Kashmir issue this time was in the media before IK mentioned. Are his days numbered I don't think so how can a man turn a country around which has been mismanaged for decades and decades. My observation is purely with on regards to HK protests and he his apparent double standards...if China is any area he will not speak about chose another cause getting media traction or identify the Indian mistreatment of Kashmiris and those who raise a voice in India and their treatment.

 

[Salma_T]

Turkey and Pakistan have historic ties. If anything Turkey looks up to Pakistan. As an Indian I wouldn't worry about this, beyond your understanding.



The problem is your understanding. Kashmirs are occupied, Uyghurs are not. It really is that simple.

So tomorrow if the UK decides to put all Muslims in concentration camps it will be ok as they are citizens and not under occupation?

Don't try to justify one by make the other seem less important. IK in his UN speech mentioned Rohingas who have lived on Myanmar for an extended time and not under any occupation essentially being persecuted for being Muslims (same as the uighers) in their home country how do you reconcile that?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The Kashmir issue this time was in the media before IK mentioned. Are his days numbered I don't think so how can a man turn a country around which has been mismanaged for decades and decades. My observation is purely with on regards to HK protests and he his apparent double standards...if China is any area he will not speak about chose another cause getting media traction or identify the Indian mistreatment of Kashmiris and those who raise a voice in India and their treatment.

So tomorrow if the UK decides to put all Muslims in concentration camps it will be ok as they are citizens and not under occupation?

Don't try to justify one by make the other seem less important. IK in his UN speech mentioned Rohingas who have lived on Myanmar for an extended time and not under any occupation essentially being persecuted for being Muslims (same as the uighers) in their home country how do you reconcile that?

No offence but this is something out of the Daily Mail.

Rohingya people are Muslims being persecuted by Bhuddists, religious persecution. China is not persecuting Uyghurs because of their religion. As I wrote earlier Imran Khan is smarter than those criticising him, maybe perhaps because he has studied history which it seems you haven't. Muslims have been in China since the early days of Islam. They have been loyal and hard working citizens for most of the 1400 years since Islam was seen in China. The majority of Muslims in China are Hui Muslims. You are not aware but Hui Muslims have been against Uyghurs for hundreds of years. Hui are located all over China with no issues of being against the state. There have been many Muslim generals in the Chinese army and Muslims have fought on the front line many times, check out their fight against the Japanese.

Uyghurs have been against the state for hundreds of years, this is nothing new. China will not allow it's territory to be lost, the same with Tibet.

Kashmirs are Muslims being persecuted by Hindu fanatics in government. Rohingyas by Buddhists. China doesnt care about the religion, these are simple facts.

As far as im aware there is no call from British Muslims to take some of the land from England and make it their own. So your analogy is pretty daft.

 

[BreadPakoda]

These are legal technicalities which are irrelevant when it comes to, to quote IK "a human rights crisis". Just because by some historical accident the Uyghurs ended up in China doesn't give the Chinese government the right to throw 2 million Uyghurs into concentration camps, where they are forced to eat pork, starved and beaten unless they sign songs praising China, forced to have abortions, have their children taken away from them, have their organs harvested, etc. etc.

Has China confirmed this? No. That means it never happened.

Please stop reading biased news.

 

[Mamoon]

It is funny to see the straw-clutching of the usual suspects when it comes to defending Imran’s blatant hypocrisy.

Cannot blame him though - he has no say on Pakistan’s foreign policy and he has to read from the script that is dictated by the military established and shed crocodile tears for Kashmir.

He has to play the hypocrisy role even if deep down he doesn’t want to. Nonetheless, our people need to be more honest and should admit the facts instead of making straw-man arguments to justify something that cannot be justified.

You have to hope it is a deliberate ploy because no one can be so gullible.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It is funny to see the straw-clutching of the usual suspects when it comes to defending Imran’s blatant hypocrisy.

Cannot blame him though - he has no say on Pakistan’s foreign policy and he has to read from the script that is dictated by the military established and shed crocodile tears for Kashmir.

He has to play the hypocrisy role even if deep down he doesn’t want to. Nonetheless, our people need to be more honest and should admit the facts instead of making straw-man arguments to justify something that cannot be justified.

You have to hope it is a deliberate ploy because no one can be so gullible.

We are thankful you dont have any influence on Pakistani foreign policy as you would be begging your Indian friends to bomb the country.

There is nothing hypocritical and you dont have the ability to prove it.

 

[Mamoon]

We are thankful you dont have any influence on Pakistani foreign policy as you would be begging your Indian friends to bomb the country.

There is nothing hypocritical and you dont have the ability to prove it.

Yes reading your posts in this thread has convinced me and everyone else on how Pakistan’s stance on Uyghurs and Turkey’s crackdown on Kurds is perfectly reasonable, justified and can be successfully reconciled with our stance on Kashmir.

I think you should be the Foreign Minister of Pakistan. I am sure you will do a better job than the fake pir who collects money from his serfs and demolished a university wall to accommodate guests for his son‘a wedding.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yes reading your posts in this thread has convinced me and everyone else on how Pakistan’s stance on Uyghurs and Turkey’s crackdown on Kurds is perfectly reasonable, justified and can be successfully reconciled with our stance on Kashmir.

I think you should be the Foreign Minister of Pakistan. I am sure you will do a better job than the fake pir who collects money from his serfs and demolished a university wall to accommodate guests for his son‘a wedding.

If I was a foreign minister the first thing I would do is have you arrested for treason. No point trying to explain the difference to an enemy of Pakistan.

 

[Mamoon]

If I was a foreign minister the first thing I would do is have you arrested for treason. No point trying to explain the difference to an enemy of Pakistan.

If pointing out our hypocrisy makes me a traitor than I am proud of this honor.

 

[KingKhanWC]

If pointing out our hypocrisy makes me a traitor than I am proud of this honor.

No, you are calling for children to be bombed. After the disgusting massacre of children in 2014, you have the gual to call for more children to be bombed?

 

[Napa]

Has China confirmed this? No. That means it never happened.

Please stop reading biased news.

Neither has India confirmed the accusations against it.

Ironical that you speak of bias...

 

[kk1992]

It is funny to see the straw-clutching of the usual suspects when it comes to defending Imran’s blatant hypocrisy.

Cannot blame him though - he has no say on Pakistan’s foreign policy and he has to read from the script that is dictated by the military established and shed crocodile tears for Kashmir.

Majority of Pakistani support Ik on Kashmir unless you can find credible survey that says otherwise

He has to play the hypocrisy role even if deep down he doesn’t want to. Nonetheless, our people need to be more honest and should admit the facts instead of making straw-man arguments to justify something that cannot be justified.

Pakistan's interest supersede anyone else's interest, nothing hypocrite about it, the norm of the world, common Pakistani could care less what happen in Turkey or China but majority of Pakistani care about kashmir.

You have to hope it is a deliberate ploy because no one can be so gullible.

It is.

Regards from the supporter of "The Cult and Popular PM of Pakistan".

 

[BreadPakoda]

Neither has India confirmed the accusations against it.

Ironical that you speak of bias...

India doesn't have credibility. China has.

 

[LongHorn]

No offence but this is something out of the Daily Mail.

Rohingya people are Muslims being persecuted by Bhuddists, religious persecution. China is not persecuting Uyghurs because of their religion. As I wrote earlier Imran Khan is smarter than those criticising him, maybe perhaps because he has studied history which it seems you haven't. Muslims have been in China since the early days of Islam. They have been loyal and hard working citizens for most of the 1400 years since Islam was seen in China. The majority of Muslims in China are Hui Muslims. You are not aware but Hui Muslims have been against Uyghurs for hundreds of years. Hui are located all over China with no issues of being against the state. There have been many Muslim generals in the Chinese army and Muslims have fought on the front line many times, check out their fight against the Japanese.

Uyghurs have been against the state for hundreds of years, this is nothing new. China will not allow it's territory to be lost, the same with Tibet.

t.

the extent you are going to whitewash China is interesting

Just as there are plenty of Muslims living happily in China (as opposed to the bad Uighur who deserve whats happening to them by the way you are putting it), there are plenty of Muslims in India as well, most of whom do not have a soft spot for Kashmir.

That however does not justify Indian armys oppression in Kashmir - rapes, murders and so on.

Similarly Chinas actions in Xinjiang cannot be justified by claiming there are Hui Muslims who are happy

For that matter there are non Rohingya Muslims as well in Myanmar who are considered "good" by the govt there

 

[KingKhanWC]

the extent you are going to whitewash China is interesting

Just as there are plenty of Muslims living happily in China (as opposed to the bad Uighur who deserve whats happening to them by the way you are putting it), there are plenty of Muslims in India as well, most of whom do not have a soft spot for Kashmir.

That however does not justify Indian armys oppression in Kashmir - rapes, murders and so on.

Similarly Chinas actions in Xinjiang cannot be justified by claiming there are Hui Muslims who are happy

For that matter there are non Rohingya Muslims as well in Myanmar who are considered "good" by the govt there

Ive only presented facts.

What is your actual point? The 3 issues are all the same? They are not as explained.

 

[Napa]

India doesn't have credibility. China has.

China, the communist dictatorship for over 70 years and the world's greatest thief of IP and nuclear proliferator has more credibility than India? This would be funny if it wasn't so sad.

A simple google search of "world's greatest IP theft" matches returns China as the top result for all the first 10 front page matches. I didn't even bother to look at the second page.

 

[Itachi]

India doesn't have credibility. China has.

Thankfully the international community isn't under the same delusion and hence, they have moved away from kashmir as it is Indias internal matter.

However, PTI seems to be more hypocrite than all the past govt.

 

[uberkoen]

IK is supporting the Turkish operation against the Kurds resulting in displacement of hundreds of thousands of muslims including civilian deaths and on the other hand he talks about Muslims of Kashmir.

What a hypocrite.

 

[Mamoon]

Regards from the supporter of "The Cult and Popular PM of Pakistan".

Thank you for admitting that Imran and the majority of Pakistanis are hypocrites.

Imran and the majority of our public can support and care for Kashmir all they want, but when they are going to use the fake humanity and Muslim ummah card, they will be called out for their hypocrisy,

A true humanitarian and a true well-wisher of the Muslim ummah will not ignore the plight of Muslims because the oppressors (China, Turkey) are benefiting them economically.

 

[Mamoon]

No, you are calling for children to be bombed. After the disgusting massacre of children in 2014, you have the gual to call for more children to be bombed?

APS children were innocent. I am not talking about innocent children; I am talking about trained militants who are provided state protection. Madrassahs along with the terrorists inside them deserve to be bombed.

Moreover, you have a problem with my desire to see terrorist madrassahs demolished, but you have no problem with Turkey killing the Kurds because your hypocrite leader is supporting them.

People who refuse to acknowledge Imran’s blatantly obvious double-standards are the biggest hypocrites.

 

[Salma_T]

No offence but this is something out of the Daily Mail.

Rohingya people are Muslims being persecuted by Bhuddists, religious persecution. China is not persecuting Uyghurs because of their religion. As I wrote earlier Imran Khan is smarter than those criticising him, maybe perhaps because he has studied history which it seems you haven't. Muslims have been in China since the early days of Islam. They have been loyal and hard working citizens for most of the 1400 years since Islam was seen in China. The majority of Muslims in China are Hui Muslims. You are not aware but Hui Muslims have been against Uyghurs for hundreds of years. Hui are located all over China with no issues of being against the state. There have been many Muslim generals in the Chinese army and Muslims have fought on the front line many times, check out their fight against the Japanese.

Uyghurs have been against the state for hundreds of years, this is nothing new. China will not allow it's territory to be lost, the same with Tibet.

Kashmirs are Muslims being persecuted by Hindu fanatics in government. Rohingyas by Buddhists. China doesnt care about the religion, these are simple facts.

As far as im aware there is no call from British Muslims to take some of the land from England and make it their own. So your analogy is pretty daft.

So if it is a separatist issue as you have painted it then why are they being tortured using methods that go against their faith? They can torture without piling them with alcohol or feeding them pork?

 

[Mamoon]

So if it is a separatist issue as you have painted it then why are they being tortured using methods that go against their faith? They can torture without piling them with alcohol or feeding them pork?

You are asking tough questions that he is incapable of answering. The hypocrisy and disingenuous attitude couldn’t be more obvious.

 

[Itachi]

You are asking tough questions that he is incapable of answering. The hypocrisy and disingenuous attitude couldn’t be more obvious.

.... The common escape route is, it isn't accepted by Chinese govt that they are forced to go against their faith. Since Chinese govt is a credible source, hence we must take their words at the face value.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So if it is a separatist issue as you have painted it then why are they being tortured using methods that go against their faith? They can torture without piling them with alcohol or feeding them pork?

There is no proof of this. Only statements made by those who have seeked asylum and hate the government.

As you can see many on this thread who are anti-Pakistan, some living in the land are tyring to use this as propaganda. By their own logic Kashmiris are being persecuted like the Uyghurs but they wont accept this.

 

[KingKhanWC]

APS children were innocent. I am not talking about innocent children; I am talking about trained militants who are provided state protection. Madrassahs along with the terrorists inside them deserve to be bombed.

Moreover, you have a problem with my desire to see terrorist madrassahs demolished, but you have no problem with Turkey killing the Kurds because your hypocrite leader is supporting them.

People who refuse to acknowledge Imran’s blatantly obvious double-standards are the biggest hypocrites.

Dont lie now, I have the quotes. All children are innocent because they are children. You want India to bomb them because they might grow up to be terrorists. You hate the army too and believe they are brutal too, so by the same logic their children will grow to be like them.

 

[kk1992]

Thank you for admitting that Imran and the majority of Pakistanis are hypocrites.

Imran and the majority of our public can support and care for Kashmir all they want, but when they are going to use the fake humanity and Muslim ummah card, they will be called out for their hypocrisy,

A true humanitarian and a true well-wisher of the Muslim ummah will not ignore the plight of Muslims because the oppressors (China, Turkey) are benefiting them economically.

Pakistan comes first for a true Pakistani.

Isn't that what you have promoted and used as your point for the past 8-9 years?

IK isn't nominated for noble peace prize.

And I just destroy your talking points, I think you need to come up with better ones.

Let me repeat, Most of the Pakistani do not know anything about China muslims or Kurdish, and most only care about Kashmir.

 

[Salma_T]

There is no proof of this. Only statements made by those who have seeked asylum and hate the government.

As you can see many on this thread who are anti-Pakistan, some living in the land are tyring to use this as propaganda. By their own logic Kashmiris are being persecuted like the Uyghurs but they wont accept this.

So your assumption is that those seeking asylum are lying? We have members of the Uigher community in Australia and there are documented cases of people who live in Australia being locked up and their families speaking up (there is no asylum issue) I think you are being disingenuous by denying the Uigher torture because it doesn't fit your narrative. You want a documentary from inside those camps to believe what is going on?

 

[KingKhanWC]

So your assumption is that those seeking asylum are lying? We have members of the Uigher community in Australia and there are documented cases of people who live in Australia being locked up and their families speaking up (there is no asylum issue) I think you are being disingenuous by denying the Uigher torture because it doesn't fit your narrative. You want a documentary from inside those camps to believe what is going on?

You cannot condemn without proof. I was only refering to them being made to eat pork, no evidence for this at all. As I wrote earlier, Uyghurs have hundreds of years of history rebelling against the Chinese state, they hate China so its hard to take their word as true. Ive spoken to Chinese Muslims too, the Hui hate the Uyghurs and support these measures. So the majority of Muslims in China support this and they are allowed more freedom than other religions to practice openly.

 

[JaDed]

You cannot condemn without proof. I was only refering to them being made to eat pork, no evidence for this at all. As I wrote earlier, Uyghurs have hundreds of years of history rebelling against the Chinese state, they hate China so its hard to take their word as true. Ive spoken to Chinese Muslims too, the Hui hate the Uyghurs and support these measures. So the majority of Muslims in China support this and they are allowed more freedom than other religions to practice openly.

Its better to post facts about Hui, just accept and move on that you support China that's ok.


https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown

The crackdown on China's Hui Muslims is in part driven by the government's fears that fundamentalist strains of Islam like Salafism and Wahhabism are filtering into China by way of Hui students who study in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and through private religious foundations on the Arabian Peninsula that have funded some Hui social enterprises and mosques.

Signs of Saudi influence, including Arabic script, are being removed across China. Hui women in Henan and Ningxia provinces say they are no longer allowed to wear the head-to-toe black abaya customary to Saudi women, and Hui shops say they no longer stock Saudi-style clothes for men or women.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Its better to post facts about Hui, just accept and move on that you support China that's ok.


https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown

Women are still wearing the Abaya. Women are also wearing the niqab, face covering in China. Yet in parts of 'liberal' Europe it's banned. An an Indian worried about oppression who supports it in Kashmir is just laughable.

 

[JaDed]

Women are still wearing the Abaya. Women are also wearing the niqab, face covering in China. Yet in parts of 'liberal' Europe it's banned. An an Indian worried about oppression who supports it in Kashmir is just laughable.

That was only part of it, they banned a lot of Islamic related stuff in China as such. I'm not worried about oppression in China, I'm just pointing it out to you, among you me and Salma_T, its only Salma_T who genuinely cares about others, so why don't drop your act and get on with your point scoring with actual facts?

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan comes first for a true Pakistani.

Isn't that what you have promoted and used as your point for the past 8-9 years?

IK isn't nominated for noble peace prize.

And I just destroy your talking points, I think you need to come up with better ones.

Let me repeat, Most of the Pakistani do not know anything about China muslims or Kurdish, and most only care about Kashmir.

The only thing you “destroyed” was the credibility of Imran Khan and the people of Pakistan. You have basically admitted that our support for Kashmir is on fake humanity grounds and we have crocodile tears.

It is all in the name of national interest and has nothing to do with humanity and Muslim ummah which Imran Khan wants us to believe.

The reason why the majority of people don’t know Uyghurs and Kurds is because our state has ensured that they do not get media coverage in Pakistan.

If we were true humanitarians and if Imran Khan was the champion of Muslim rights that he claims to be, we wouldn’t have shamelessly blocked coverage of the atrocities committed by the Chinese and the Turks against Muslims.

 

[Mamoon]

Dont lie now, I have the quotes. All children are innocent because they are children. You want India to bomb them because they might grow up to be terrorists. You hate the army too and believe they are brutal too, so by the same logic their children will grow to be like them.

You don’t have to paste the quotes because I remember what I said and I stand by it. No, not all children are innocent - the ones undergoing training in terrorist camps are not, and they pose a serious threat to society. Surely you would know that considering you are happy to support Erdogan’s attack on the Kurds.

Yes there will be collateral damage but that is inevitable. Again, you don’t have a problem with the collateral damage of Turkey’s attack on the YPG fighters, so I am assuming that you are also okay with the collateral damage of wiping out state funded madrassahs in Pakistan.

I hate military, but I don’t hate their children. There are no guarantees that they will grow up to support terrorist groups, but children undergoing training by terrorist outfits will grow up to be terrorists.

 

[kk1992]

The only thing you “destroyed” was the credibility of Imran Khan and the people of Pakistan. You have basically admitted that our support for Kashmir is on fake humanity grounds and we have crocodile tears.

It is all in the name of national interest and has nothing to do with humanity and Muslim ummah which Imran Khan wants us to believe.

The reason why the majority of people don’t know Uyghurs and Kurds is because our state has ensured that they do not get media coverage in Pakistan.

If we were true humanitarians and if Imran Khan was the champion of Muslim rights that he claims to be, we wouldn’t have shamelessly blocked coverage of the atrocities committed by the Chinese and the Turks against Muslims.

You and I have no power to destroy anyone’s credibility, none, zilch. You are like many of us, just a random person with a keyboard.

Our support to Kashmir, as it has been discussed many times on this forum but yet you chose to ignore it because then what other narrative you've got left to criticize, is historical connection and what many Pakistani believe in.

Now you conveniently ignored this point, haven’t you always promoted that Pakistan should worry about Pakistan’s interest? From where is the humanity creeping back up in that soul of yours? Been listening to Mulana Fazal ur Rehman?

Pakistan interest comes first.

Talking about destroying the credibility of IK or Pakistani, lol.

Regards from the supporter of “The Cult” and the most popular PM from Pakistan .

 

[KingKhanWC]

You don’t have to paste the quotes because I remember what I said and I stand by it. No, not all children are innocent - the ones undergoing training in terrorist camps are not, and they pose a serious threat to society. Surely you would know that considering you are happy to support Erdogan’s attack on the Kurds.

Yes there will be collateral damage but that is inevitable. Again, you don’t have a problem with the collateral damage of Turkey’s attack on the YPG fighters, so I am assuming that you are also okay with the collateral damage of wiping out state funded madrassahs in Pakistan.

I hate military, but I don’t hate their children. There are no guarantees that they will grow up to support terrorist groups, but children undergoing training by terrorist outfits will grow up to be terrorists.

So children should die because they are being indoctrinated by adults, nice.

I dont think Turkey should be in Syria but I support them attacking terrorists.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That was only part of it, they banned a lot of Islamic related stuff in China as such. I'm not worried about oppression in China, I'm just pointing it out to you, among you me and Salma_T, its only Salma_T who genuinely cares about others, so why don't drop your act and get on with your point scoring with actual facts?

Of course you're not because you support worse in Kashmir.

These are not facts but reports mainly coming from testimonies. Learn the difference or better still visit China and speak to the Muslims there.

 

[JaDed]

Of course you're not because you support worse in Kashmir.

These are not facts but reports mainly coming from testimonies. Learn the difference or better still visit China and speak to the Muslims there.

ok.. So visit the location ,rather than reading about testimonials from people and not trusting news, got it thanks.

 

[globalcitizen]

Now that the mobiles are operating in Kashmir. Will imran still continue his tweet propoganda ? It would be wierd if he still accuses india of genocide due to restrictions on internet !!!

 

[BreadPakoda]

Of course you're not because you support worse in Kashmir.

Agree. How can he be worried about oppression in China but not be bothered about Kashmir? That makes him a hypocrite.

 

[Itachi]

Agree. How can he be worried about oppression in China but not be bothered about Kashmir? That makes him a hypocrite.

Let us take him as a hypocrite. But by the same logic, when you worried about oppression in kashmir yet put a blind eye to China (like IK for example), that also makes you a hypocrite. And that's where IK lost the battle.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Let us take him as a hypocrite. But by the same logic, when you worried about oppression in kashmir yet put a blind eye to China (like IK for example), that also makes you a hypocrite. And that's where IK lost the battle.

But has China confirmed it?

 

[Itachi]

But has China confirmed it?

Has India confirmed it (IK allegations) ?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Has India confirmed it (IK allegations) ?

India doesn’t have credibility.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let us take him as a hypocrite. But by the same logic, when you worried about oppression in kashmir yet put a blind eye to China (like IK for example), that also makes you a hypocrite. And that's where IK lost the battle.

No it doesnt. Kashmir is occupied land and Indian army are firing, killing Pakistani soldiers. Nothing even close to being similar to the China issue. On the other hand Indians feel Kashmir is the new land of honey but keep pointing out China. Its just pathetic, making daft excuses for their own abuse in Kashmir.

 

[Itachi]

No it doesnt. Kashmir is occupied land and Indian army are firing, killing Pakistani soldiers. Nothing even close to being similar to the China issue. On the other hand Indians feel Kashmir is the new land of honey but keep pointing out China. Its just pathetic, making daft excuses for their own abuse in Kashmir.

I am keeping it on your own terms.

Is the life of a muslim in occupied land is more important than a muslim in a legal land?

Does islam differentiate between muslims between different geographical areas? Otherwise why sufferings (alleged) is more important than the other where the other is put under the rug?

 

[Itachi]

India doesn’t have credibility.

that's your view point which you are entitled. But international community doesn't agree with you otherwise IK wouldn't have forced to cry for his agenda. PTI is a failure in this regard in terms pakistan's POV.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am keeping it on your own terms.

Is the life of a muslim in occupied land is more important than a muslim in a legal land?

Does islam differentiate between muslims between different geographical areas? Otherwise why sufferings (alleged) is more important than the other where the other is put under the rug?

Islam only wants leaders to liberate others after they secure their own people first. Btw what terms? You're bringing religion into this. Which is ironic since Hindus have never helped others in different areas, heck they even hate their own fellow Hindus and call them untouchables.

 

[Itachi]

Islam only wants leaders to liberate others after they secure their own people first.

.... in other words, Islam does differentiate between muslims depending upon whether the person in concern has any connection/interest with a particular group of muslim or not.

Do you agree with this statement?

 

[KingKhanWC]

.... in other words, Islam does differentiate between muslims depending upon whether the person in concern has any connection/interest with a particular group of muslim or not.

Do you agree with this statement?

No. This thread is not about Islam.

Its about wisdom, you wont be able to help those far away when you canot help those near you. If Kashmir becomes free and it will one day, Pakistani citizens lives improves, then they can think of helping others in further lands. And I dont mean the Uyghurs because the majority of Muslims are Hui, who support the Chinese moves. It would be stupid to go against the majority Muslims in China in favour for the lesser numbers esp when there is no independent evidence of any 'concentration camps'.

I know diversion is an Indian specialitiy on Kashmir but stick to the topic. If you want to discuss principles of Islam in such situations consult a learned scholar.

 

[Itachi]

No. This thread is not about Islam.

Its about wisdom, you wont be able to help those far away when you canot help those near you. If Kashmir becomes free and it will one day, Pakistani citizens lives improves, then they can think of helping others in further lands. And I dont mean the Uyghurs because the majority of Muslims are Hui, who support the Chinese moves. It would be stupid to go against the majority Muslims in China in favour for the lesser numbers esp when there is no independent evidence of any 'concentration camps'.

I know diversion is an Indian specialitiy on Kashmir but stick to the topic. If you want to discuss principles of Islam in such situations consult a learned scholar.

Let's speak in terms of oppression against minority. By your own statement, the majority Muslims support the Chinese moves while a minority muslim group are against. If hypothetically speaking, these minority fight for their ideology, will the punishment against these minority Muslims will be justified?

Your opinion.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let's speak in terms of oppression against minority. By your own statement, the majority Muslims support the Chinese moves while a minority muslim group are against. If hypothetically speaking, these minority fight for their ideology, will the punishment against these minority Muslims will be justified?

Your opinion.

Muslims are supposed to live under the rules of the nation(being minority). If the Hui have for over a 1000 years with little issues then the others can too. If the Uyghurs stopped their sepratist ways there would be no issues, they are going against their own faith. If Hindutva India had a such a problem they would do much worse than the Chinese. Look at Kashmir, it doesnt belong to India yet they have been raping schoolgirls, torturing, mass murdering people, dropping into unmarked graves etc.

My advice is try not to justify your RSS governments crimes against humanity by looking at others. The only comparable is with the occupation of Palestine.

 

[Patriot]

I personally don’t think people should have the right to a homeland. People have the right to equal opportunities, fair treatment, jobs, education, etc. but a homeland should not be a human right. Therefore, I do not support the creation of states such as Kashmir, Balochistan, Kurdistan, Palestine, Basque, etc.

For example, creating Kurdistan will cause more chaos and bloodshed. It will require carving up existing states such as Turkey, Syria, etc. Why should that be allowed. I sympathise with the Kurds, but a better solution would be to diplomatically and peacefully fight for your rights as opposed to creating a separate state. Same goes for Kashmir and other states.

 

[Patriot]

You don’t have to paste the quotes because I remember what I said and I stand by it. No, not all children are innocent - the ones undergoing training in terrorist camps are not, and they pose a serious threat to society. Surely you would know that considering you are happy to support Erdogan’s attack on the Kurds.

Yes there will be collateral damage but that is inevitable. Again, you don’t have a problem with the collateral damage of Turkey’s attack on the YPG fighters, so I am assuming that you are also okay with the collateral damage of wiping out state funded madrassahs in Pakistan.

I hate military, but I don’t hate their children. There are no guarantees that they will grow up to support terrorist groups, but children undergoing training by terrorist outfits will grow up to be terrorists.

What a terrible thing to say. Children in such cases are the victims of grooming. Whether they are Palestinian children being groomed by Hamas or African children groomed to be child soldiers. We need to find ways to prevent this not label them as terrorists. You are a hateful individual.

 

[KingKhanWC]

What a terrible thing to say. Children in such cases are the victims of grooming. Whether they are Palestinian children being groomed by Hamas or African children groomed to be child soldiers. We need to find ways to prevent this not label them as terrorists. You are a hateful individual.

Keep in mind this poster also wished he was born in India. Im sure he's not the only with such thoughts in Pakistan. Now these corrupt families cannot make easy money by taking food out of peoples mouthes, they are spewing so much hate against Pakistan to the extent of wanting innocent Pakistan to be blown up by India.

 

[Patriot]

Keep in mind this poster also wished he was born in India. Im sure he's not the only with such thoughts in Pakistan. Now these corrupt families cannot make easy money by taking food out of peoples mouthes, they are spewing so much hate against Pakistan to the extent of wanting innocent Pakistan to be blown up by India.

I get what you are saying, but we should hold the authorities to account where children are being groomed (if that is true). Politicising children is a terrible thing. They should be in schools, not being groomed, irrespective of which country, India or Pakistan. I’m sure there are instances of children being groomed by the RSS. Someone posted an article about young men joining the RSS due to high unemployment and lack of opportunities. The same problem lies in Pakistan as well as other countries like Israel, where Hamas grooms children.

 

[Mamoon]

So children should die because they are being indoctrinated by adults, nice.

I dont think Turkey should be in Syria but I support them attacking terrorists.

Your hypocrisy can be seen from the moon.

You support Turkey attacking terrorists in Syria even though innocent people will also die and suffer. So why aren’t you okay with India and the U.S. attacking terrorists in Pakistan? Or do you think there are no terrorists in Pakistan and pigs fly?

I am sure you supported Obama conducting drone strikes in FATA. If not, why are you supporting Turkey now?